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vedaxcool: It is a pity one keeping meeting Christians that fail to meet minimum intellectual standards for any sane or rational converse. I remember correcting a christian that Islam is not a race, but a religion. Yet his intellectual porosity prevented him from accepting this correction. So once one is a Muslim he immediately becomes a descendant of Ishmael? This is utter nonsense indeed and clearly shows how rational thinking and commonsense seem to be absent in a lot of extremists christians. In your bigotry you fail to note your bible is racist to have insulted an entire race.

Unfortunately, you fall for the very contradiction you claim.

You believe that all muslims are descendants of Adam

abdulwastecx: agnostic Muslim

Be careful!!

You have "Abdul" in your username, Tbaba1234, vedaxcool and co might call you "Abdulsleek"

abdulwastecx: only about 16.7% of the world population are muslim the remaining 83.3% are non believers.
while within the Muslim faith we have so many sect with different conflicting ideology. if Allah is so powerful why do we need to help him spread islam by jihad?

Are you not a muslim?

vedaxcool: Am sorry, I have ran out of troll biscuits.

Too much Arabic can spoil your English- "I have RUN out of troll biscuits"

It is easy to claim "trolling" when your arguments have been exposed as shallow. Professional victimhood 101

Caracta: I don't know where you graduated from or what you were taught. I've come to understand that every course requires a level of reasoning, no matter how insignificant you may see it. For a graduate to tell me Economics requires no reasoning, then I'm short of words. Even a cleaning job requires some form of reasoning.

Students cram their ways through school and once they pass, they believe they are intelligent. That is where intelligence comes in, you go above the usual classroom exercise. Just maybe that is why I think Economics requires deep reasoning.

Some courses are more crammable than others.

Economics being the chief crammable ones. My favourite course was microeconomics.

Of course, economics requires reasoning just like any other course but economics doesnt require deep reasoning compared to some other courses.

Cheers01: Here is the difference with Engineering-

-with technological advances, the reasoning changes. With economics, the reasoning is still constant. Look at your engineering textbooks from 3 years ago and look at the ones today then look at old and new economics textbooks. Note how little econnomics change at all


-with engineering, new techniques come out and there is an infinite number of ways to design a building. With economics, there is no new economic model discoverable, no new macroeconomic variables. Whatever happens conform the to the established economic schools of thought.

To further explain the first point with engineering and economics with examples-


Not so many years ago, you wouldnt hear of Engineers trying to build houses on water but with technology, Engineers now know how to fill areas with sand and rocks and then do some compacting to create solid land on water. Just look at what they are doing in Dubai

Now, the engineering textbooks would be adjusted to have more factors in determining where houses can be built.

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abdulwastecx: I am a civil engineer. .. in all field of formal education, assumptions are always made to developed theories.

when u design structure, u assumed the behaviour of materials, you assumed the design load, you assumed mathematival models etc. ideal condition is not always possible while formulating theories.

economic requires aloy of reasoning

Here is the difference with Engineering-

-with technological advances, the reasoning changes. With economics, the reasoning is still constant. Look at your engineering textbooks from 3 years ago and look at the ones today then look at old and new economics textbooks. Note how little econnomics change at all


-with engineering, new techniques come out and there is an infinite number of ways to design a building. With economics, there is no new economic model discoverable, no new macroeconomic variables. Whatever happens conform the to the established economic schools of thought.

Caracta: According to your school of thought....

Economics require reasoning...deep one. I studied Economics, graduated with a 4 point. Intelligence entails been conscious of what you do. Cramming doesn't give you that. Yes it is a skill. Skill and intelligence are not mates.

What deep reasoning in economics? Economics is very black and white on paper. Taxes increases govt revenue, higher levels of exports is better for balance of trade, etc.

If you studied economics, you would know this.

I also studied economics.

tbaba1234: Some come to the Quran to seek benefit and others to seek criticism. Allah increases each in what they came for.

- Ustadh Nouman Ali Khan

"Indeed, Allah is not timid to present an example - that of a mosquito or what is smaller than it. And those who have believed know that it is the truth from their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, they say, "What did Allah intend by this as an example?" He misleads many thereby and guides many thereby. And He misleads not except the defiantly disobedient," [Surah 2:26]

Seeking criticism itself is a benefit. The best understanding comes from seeing both the good and the bad side of things



And see how you quoted Surah assaults the disbeliever for asking questions?

abdulwastecx: intelligence = understanding basic principles like science, economy, mathematics, etc and applying them to solve problem.

creativity = stretching these understanding to the limit. creativity is more dependant on ur experienced, what u have been through etc.
the messi, ronaldo, p sqaure, Jackson of this world are very creative people with very challenging background

You are on the right track....

abdulwastecx: You are so wrong... Economic is a social science and requires alot of reasoning.

Fail.


Economics assumes that humans are rational and models work. It is a subset of social science that is very black and white

Demand and supply only work if the buyer/supplier thinks rationally
Economic models only work if the macroeconomic policies are in place.

^^^
Yes, one case of islamophobic discrimination and the world has gone mad.


What about the consistent oppression of atheists in the middle east/Asia by sharia compliant countries? Beatings, imprisonments?
What about the consistent warfare and strife in the middle east/north Africa?
What about the failure of the West + Nigeria to stop Boko Haram?



Please, dont be a professional victim!

Caracta: Not saying cramming is a crime. Pls don't get me wrong. My point is that cramming isn't a form of intelligence.

Cramming is a form of intelligence.

If cramming is easy, why cant people just do it and get 5 star in economics courses? Economics doesnt require too much reasoning. Just know the theories and cram how the graphs are to look in different situations.

Cramming is a skill in itself.

Caracta: We don't need to wait for our environment to applaud a thing before we do it. That's the excuse pulling many people down.

Actually, creativity can be stifled or encouraged.


In countries like the USA, top private primary/elementary schools focus on exploring individual creativity. They teach young children with interactive puzzles and learning aids. Now, the difference comes out when you see two schools with the same curriculum and good teachers, yet one school has students that are utterly amazing...almost geniuses.

Take the chinese government's hardcore structuring of their education system. It is no wonder they outperform American students. If the society or government does not implement certain things, the people suffer.

Caracta: And I would argue that it isn't. Retentive memory? After the exam, do you remember all you have crammed? Talking about time, an intelligent student knows better ways to pass an exam with limited time to study.

Who remembers everything he/she has written in an exam?


Everyone crams. Even the most intelligent people cram. You can cram and also have comprehensive understanding of a topic.. They are not mutually exclusive.


For instance, in management accounting, it is best to cram the formulas and understand the theory. A mixture of techniques.

Caracta: I beg your pardon. Intelligent students don't cram, only mediocres do.

lol......I would argue that cramming is a form of intelligence.


Cramming shows a retentive memory- an ability to remember a whole lot of things. Cramming can help if you have limited time to read for an exam.

Ceasar1: This is a tough one. But I think creativity is a standout of intelligence. So you've got to be intelligent to be creative.

Okay check this puzzle out. Intelligent peeps will only read this, while creative peeps will understand this.

2+2 =Fish
3+3= Eight
7+7= Triangle

Abi now, creativity all the way.

This very comment shows that you are not even intelligent.

You will find that there are different forms of creativity or even intelligence.


For instance, there are people good with word puzzles but cant do a simple image puzzle like rubiks cube

There are people that can solve your number/shape puzzle but cant solve a well-worded riddle.

Some can do sudoku but cant do crosswords.




Creativity comes out in different ways. Some people can make a creative music video only for someone to make a creative parody of that video.



The people who designed the security for a banking system were creative......until a fraudster found the loophole by reverse engineering. So who is creative? The designer or the hacker? The answer is Both.



Just even look at Nairaland-

1) we have graphic designers who can create amazing posters but cant write English to save their lives while we have writers who can create amazing stories with English language but cant design a simple pixel to save their lives. Both are creative

A quick lesson in censorship;


Remember when there was a brouhaha over showing images of Muhammad in the media. Many muslims got angry and tried to silence such images. It lead to a festival called "everyone draw Muhammad day" where hundreds of people took a day to draw the prophet. Never had there been so much images of Muhammad.

Censorship of images of the prophet led to an increase in the number of images of the prophet.

Interesting write-up but it is not practical or accurate.


In every ideology, there are moderates and extremists. It is a failure to try and remove the term "moderates" from islam.

Empiree: No, I don't hate you. I only detest your ideology.

What ideology? Islam?

Empiree: The first and perhaps the last time i saw you on another thread you appeared to be lust for muslim women's faces. So what's your business here?. You love usermane writings but you dont accept Islam still. And everything you mentioned about me, isnt the same thing he's (Usermane) being doing with muslims and muslim scholars in the name of his liberal view of islam?.

Lies, insults and twisting. It is all you know.

Firstly, I never lusted for muslim women's faces in burkha. If you read the thread instead of getting pained by the title, you would have seen that I clearly said that I have no interest in telling women what to wear.

Secondly, who told you that I love Usermane's writings? I only agree with his approach to religion and not his religion. You dont have to agree with 100% someone says. You could not even see how the flip side of the argument would make you look silly "why isnt userman an atheist"?


Which scholar did usermane insult? Disagreement is different from insulting. Dont just bash usermane, just apologise for your harsh treatment against him. Even your fellow muslims have called you out

Empiree: Honestly, I think tbaba was right. It's better to ignore you sometimes. Only Allah can make you understand.

You have insulted him, dismissed his points, derided his islamic views and now you feel that he should be ignored.......


You are very lucky that Usermane is a calm person. You know what would have happened if you tried this with me.

mtchew. Islamic tout

tbaba1234: In the early 1400s, a scholar of fiqh from the Hijaz, Abd al-Rahman al-Tamimi, traveled to Timbuktu only to realize that the level of scholarship there was so high there that he would have to go to Fez first to take prerequisite courses before he could study with Mali’s scholars.

Lost Islamic History.

Why do you lie for islam? Why?


Please, where is credible proof for this?

Censorship is the best tool for a dictator


The Burkha thread has been hidden/removed.


What a shame!!!


The mods think that they are punishing non-muslims but they are only showing that they (the mods) are weak.


#butthurt islam mod

tbaba1234: Ignorance.

That hadith is about the khawarij, groups like BH and ISIS.. You will see khawarij written on top

It has nothing to do with little old usermane... Any educated muslim knows about the khawarij.

Smh..

If anything, the hadith encourages muslims to fight against those people.

You came here to report your ignorance to your cheerleader.

Wrong. Looking at the thread where you were disagreeing with Usermane, it looked like you were using that hadith with reference to usermane

usermane: Last night, i stated that being anti Boko haram/ISIS doesn't conclusively make one a moderate. Behold i have found an example, a proof.
You can see for yourself, TheBigUrban2. The poster posted this in reference to me. But i believe he has more in common with the historic khawarij sect than me. How many moderates can speak when extremists in compliance with the above tradition are ready to chop of their(moderates) heads?

Untill muslims are ready to confront or question their religious texts(Oral traditions), there can be no lasting end to the oppression and aggression courtesy of muslim extremists. People like the poster may never pick up a gun to kill in the name of an Islamic state but they are no saint, they reinforce and protect the oral traditions, the root of radical/terrorist beliefs among muslims from ever been confronted. Thus, no matter how effective military action against terrorists is, the root of terrorism remain in the muslim culture to sprout in future.

Thank you tbaba1234 for revealing your true face and for giving us another reason why hadith should be rejected.

See expose!!!

Haba, Tbaba! How can you quote that??!!

You see? Some moderates are just false moderates. They silently support the terror of some extremists right until they are outed.


We need more real moderates to speak up.