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Seriously?

If there is nothing you can do that an atheist/agnostic can not do, what is the point?

What is the point if majority of all pastors and priests from the beginning of christianity (from the popes in the 2nd century to Pastor Chris/Creflo Dollar) are frauds that have been caught molesting, stealing and distorting?

Seriously?


What is the point when creationists have been caught lying and distorting to make their claims scientific?


What is the point when the bible has been exposed with its contradictions (e.g, incest is bad but Abraham married his step sister, Sarah?)

What is the point of christianity when every investigated miracle turns out to be a hoax or scientifically explainable?

tintingz: mumu that's why the arabic Quran stands for our refrence, you can see that english translation some put 'lighty' while some put other words to fit in the arabic word, Mohammed[saw] never beat up is wives or can you show me the hadith where it said he strike his wives even christ Jesus[as] permit beating in the bible... you can't compare english and arabic together, not like the hebrew bible(origin) wiped out from the surface of the earth no where to be found.

I am not a christian and stop talking about the bible.


I have only seen one translation of the Quran that doesnt say "beat" or strike or scourge. That translation is made by scholars that had the mission of making the Quran more liberal.


What? Is Arabic such a backwards language that most of your translating scholars are getting the translations of "beat" wrong?


As for Muhammad, I have to look at Asma Bint Marwan or Rayannah or the woman that begged toi be stoned for reference. These women were not treated in the best way

LagosShia: it looks like an atheist does not know the meaning of "fastest".

It looks like LagosShia has been debunked and had nothing to really say




I love debunking religious people

Mai-suya:
I woke up past 4 am I met my wife already eating suhr (pre Dawn meal) I was like "ehen! so ur plan was not to wake me abi" but apparently she had tried to wake me like 3 times earlier.
Then we went for subhi prayers (Dawn prayer) the mosque was suprisingly full, in previuos days only 2 to 3 rows of the 7 rows in the mosque were filled, but today the mosque was so filled additional rows had to be created outside call it Ramadan fever
... To be continued (I need to go break my fast) ?

Salaam!


I woke up late but went to see the batman movie that came out today. Did not eat before going out to see the movie but I broke my fast with some coke and popcorn.

LagosShia: there is no need to calm down because im not annoyed or angry.you said 'whatever' so i also said 'whatever'.or were you angry with my reply?

your 'philosophical question' is the zenith of stupidity.i know atheists would feel this is a big catch.but it is utterly stupid

let me give you an instance to make it clear for you to understand what i was trying to say:

there is a sprinter who is the fastest man in the entire world with a world time record.an atheist puts a challenge to him.

the atheists asks him to form a fastest or faster time record he cannot break.if he forms the record he cannot break,it means he is not the fastest man in the world.and if he does not form the record he cannot break it means he is not the fastest man in the world.

this is similar to your 'difficult question'.when you understand that you cannot challenge God Almighty, as a small creature in a wide universe then you will believe in His omnipotence.you cannot use His own power to challenge His own power.it doesnt make sense.the best you can do is to 'find' another 'god' that can create a rock so big that He,the Almighty God,cannot move.then you can talk about omnipotence.

What a load of nonsense.


The fastest man in the world is the person with the fastest recorded speed. Simple. If someone else breaks his record, the person becomes the fastest. I dont know what you are talking about.



The problem with religious people is that they do not understand the meaning of "omnipotent"- Ability to do all things.


The problem with omnipotence is that it is not only impossible but a contradiction.


The rock seems not jarring enough for you.


What about this? Can God create a clone of himself who is slightly more powerful?

fellis: What?
Xterra this was an innocent thread. Where's your mind?

Abeg, tell am ooooo!

I am just a goat herder from Kano

maclatunji: Oh dear! Is this boy ok?

Why do you hate me?

LagosShia: ok.me too whatever.

Calm down. No one is attacking you or your religion. I was just asking a philosophical question. Please, ask your muslim friends this question as well

For once, I have to accept Tbaba's opinion.

Your posts are ridiculous

LagosShia: so how does satan being an "obstacle" to creatures equate with you finding something to be an "obstacle" to God?

satan is no obstacle to God and not even to those who obey God because this is what the Holy Quran says:

Holy Quran 15:42
"My servants – you shall have no authority over any of them, unless it be such as follow you being rebellious (against Me, as you are). "

Whatever. Can God make such a rock or not?



As for Surah 15;42, most people in the world (over 66%) do not accept/believe in Allah. Satan must have quite a control.

xterra2: Cheers and fellis oya e don do
You should get a room

As for you cheers, kudos my guy
I like your tactics I have to say
I did a similar tactic to be close to a girl before
Am sure you created this thread not because of to reveal your affairs with your muslims girlfriend but to get a chance to set your p with fellis
I can see its working,
Kudos

Haba!


Fellis is too smart for my silly tricks.

LagosShia: the created is not greater than the Creator.therefore it is part of God's infinite power and knowledge that He does not create what He cannot control.this is not weakness but strength.

you are looking at it from one point:power.but there is also the issue of will,wisdom and knowledge and all power belongs to God Almighty.so God being omniscient would not even create to start with what would make the created an obstacle to the Creator.that still leaves Him omniscient and omnipotent because there is nothing that would be an obstacle to Him and no one that can even make such a creation since He is the Creator and everything belongs to Him.

so matter how big the rock is,it is subjected to and under God's control.this cannot be seen as lack of power but part of the greatness of God Almighty.

Good answer. Unfotunately, not good enough.

If an omniscient God could create a Shaitan/shaytan that is an obstacle to his beloved creations (humans), there is nothing stopping from creating an obstacle that is a rock.


Either Allah can create such a rock or he cant.

Can Allah create a rock so big that he can not move?


You might say that this is not a difficult question but lets examine the implications of the answers;


-Yes, he can create the rock. But then, he would not be omnipotent because he can not move the rock.
-No, he can not create the rock. But then, he would not be omnipotent because he cant create the rock.

tintingz: just for argument sake , like have said the arabic 'idribuhunna' for beating also means 'to leave' a place, wait sef is taping a brutalizing? It's never allow for a man to beat up is wife i've given you the verses ...what else do your atheism skull need and for your info Islam permits women in divorcin.

6 scholars translated the meaning of the word to "beat", "strike" or "scourge". So shut up or put your own translation.

tbaba1234: ^


Makes no sense

There is no direct equivalent translation in english or any other language...

They are synonyms for almost every word in english and they would be employed in different ways... I can give you over 100 translation for one sentence in arabic,

It is an Arabic palidrome not a latin or english palindrome

I am asking for any palindrome in any language that matches in style and content.... (tamil fails the style test)

It is a very fair challenge.....

I knew you would fail, There is nothing like the Quran...

Keep trying to look for excuses...

Point proven

The romanization of the Arabic palindromes render it useless. Spanish is already romanized and its palindromes can easily be compared to English palindromes.

Some advanced languages like Chinese do not even have proper palindromes (Even more advanced than Arabic)


Palindromes are not miracles.

tbaba1234: Just one ayah.... SubhanAllah!! What if i gave you guys something really challenging?

Allah is great....

No....Arabic is just difficult.

mazaje: Perfect!! His claim completely debunked. . .He keeps insisting that the Tamil palindrome is comparing apples to oranges when the arabic palindrome he provided when translated to english is like comparing apples to sand since it is not even a palindrome at all. . .Different languages with how they deduce things. . .

But I must admit, Tbaba was giving us a hard time with this issue. He was hiding behind Arabic but with some research, he got exposed.


If we cant use Tamil palindromes to compare with English palindromes because they are somewhat different, the same rule goes for Arabic and English palindromes.

Simple

tintingz: dude is that the only verse that said about wife beating? NO it is not allowd in Islam 100%, Like have said earlier read the whole Quran before judging a particular verse and know when it's reveald to get the exact message thank God it's even mention 'lighty'(to tap) not 'hard' the arabic word 'idribuhunna' for 'beating' is used in many verse in the Quran it means to go 'abroad' or 'to leave' a place: the noble Quran says
"...Do not retain them (i.e., your wives) to harm them...Quran, 2:231"
Allah also said "If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part,there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if ye do good and practise self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. Quran, 4:128"
So brutally beating the wives and causing bruises and damages to their bodies is clearly prohibited in Islam.
And see what the prophet[saw] said
Narrated Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri:"I went to the Apostle of Allah(pbuh)and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food what you have for yourself, and clothe them by which you clothe yourself,and do not beat them, and do not revile them. (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2139)"
Narrated Mu'awiyah ibn Haydah:"I said: Apostle of Allah, how should we approach our wives and how should we leave them? He replied: Approach your tilth when or how you will, give her (your wife) food when you take food, clothe when you clothe yourself, do not revile her face, and do not beat her.(Sunan Abu-Dawud, Book 11, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Number 2138 )"
Also,Noble Verse 4:34 states"…but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."
i will advice you to read and understand the Quran.

You cant deny the wife beating and so you abrogate with other verses. What difference does changing it to "tap lightly" do? Doesnt it still show that women are inferior? Why not remove all kinds of beating instead?

Abrogation.......yet, the Quran is perfect

lol...unable to tell the truth? Why not address Pickthall's translation because it clearly says that you should beat your wife. No ambiguity

The basic problem as I have said is that you're hiding behind Arabic. Assuming that what you're even saying is true the whole thing becomes xenophobic and borderline racist to suggest that God is best revealed in one language- Arabic.

Furthermore, the palindrome you put is an epic example of hypocrisy. The english palindromes and the arabic palindromes are like apples to oranges because when it is written in latin form or romaniztion, your Arabic palindrome is not a palindrome. English is written in latin form. Yet you claim that Tamil to english palindromes are apples to oranges.

Explanation/Illustration.


رب ب ك ف ك ب ب ر----------Arabic form is a palindrome

Rabba ka fakabbir--------- latin form/Romanization not a palindrome

'declare the greatness only of your Rabb(Lord)'" English translation not a palindrome

Discordia: And how is this any of your concern anyway

Wow. is that all you can say? You cant even address the issue? Is polygamy not allowed in Nigeria?


Jeez. Some people.

tbaba1234: ^ incorrect, you failed miserably to prove your point

I never said madam:: you are now trying to save face....

darrab has three different letters---- where is the repeated syllable or palindrome?

Haddah .... what is this??

You guys are just giving excuses and poor attempts over and over again

I am tired.......

Yes, I made a mistake, I wanted to write "MADAM". I wanted to explain that a word is a palindrome.



darrab backwards is darrab

haddah or hadah is an Arabic name/place.

tbaba1234: There are true palindromes in tamil using the letter but they are very rare... that is why they use their syllables... We can only compare apples to apples... If i gave a syllabic palindrome then we can compare.

Na wa for you o!! Your problem is your stubbornness to accept the truth... Remove your pride and face the truth.... Stop accusing me of dishonesty... i have been totally straight with you.

What are common mistakes? that is ambiguous as one can get.... This statement on its own has very little content....

Common mistakes happen .... That is as ambiguous as they come?? What are common mistakes exactly?? common mistakes in what field ....

When i say ' Declare the greatness only of your lord' there is zero ambiguity....

There is no comparison in the level of content between the two statements.... One is unambiguous, the other is ambuiguous

You know what, quit trying... I don't want it to seem as if i am just making fun of you guys.... you will not find a palindrome of similar content.....

See you!!

The basic problem as I have said is that you're hiding behind Arabic. Assuming that what you're even saying is true the whole thing becomes xenophobic and borderline racist to suggest that God is best revealed in one language- Arabic.

Furthermore, the palindrome you put is an epic example of hypocrisy. The english palindromes and the arabic palindromes are like apples to oranges because when it is written in latin form or romaniztion, your Arabic palindrome is not a palindrome. English is written in latin form. Yet you claim that Tamil to english palindromes are apples to oranges.

Explanation/Illustration.


رب ب ك ف ك ب ب ر----------Arabic form is a palindrome

Rabba ka fakabbir--------- latin form/Romanization not a palindrome

'declare the greatness only of your Rabb(Lord)'" English translation not a palindrome

tbaba1234: olodo!! you have me rolling on the floor






a word palindrome in english is

deleveled - Spells backward and forward the same way backward deleveled

Mama - spelt backward is amam

More example
aibohphobia
alula
cammac
civic
deified
deleveled
detartrated
devoved
dewed
evitative
Hannah
kayak
kinnikinnik
lemel
level
madam
Malayalam
minim
murdrum
peeweep
racecar
radar
redder
refer
reifier
repaper
reviver
rotator
rotavator
rotor
sagas
solos
sexes
stats
tenet
terret
testset

http://www.rinkworks.com/words/palindromes.shtml


Mama is not a palindrome

Lol....lmao.


See this guy rejoicing at a mistake....I meant to write "madam" is a palindrome. I wrote "mama" as a mistake. Clearly, my previous examples were palindromes, so you cant argue that I do not know what a palindrome is.


Haddah, darab etc were my examples.


The original point still remains the same. Arabic words are more likely to get you into palindromes.

tbaba1234: Are you confused?

The palindrome example i gave is not a syllabic palindrome.... There is HUGE difference between syllables and letters. The example i gave is pronounced

Rabba ka fakabbir

What is ali ila?? ana?? ata?? These things make no sense...

Manama is not a palindrome but it reads the same way backwards and forward

Mama is not a palindrome but its syllabic palindrome



Please my request is for a palindrome not syllables... They are not the same thing!!!

I shouldn't even be responding to this...

Signing out finally!!

You came back. Was my argument too compelling? . Sometimes I amaze myself.


[size=18pt]You have just debunked yourself!!! here is the definition of a palindrome;

A palindrome is a word, phrase, number, or other sequence of units that may be read the same way in either direction, with general allowances for adjustments to punctuation and word dividers
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A word can be a palindrome. "Mama" is an English word and therefore, it is a palindrome.

The example you gave is even worse. So your original palindrome example was just a sequence of arrangement in writing? Hahhahaha.


ali and ila are Arabic words. That very much I know. al-ali and ila allah. Something to do with God? hmm?




I am too much for you, Tbaba


Signing out (like a boss)

BetaThings: But Britain asserts its traditional christian history. Are they lying?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18662531

Theresa May 'planning changes to immigrant test'
The Sunday Times says immigrants will be told "historically the UK is a Christian country".

"Historically"



Do you know the meaning of the word?



Have you also heard of separation of church and state??

tbaba1234:

palindromatic in nature? No language is palindromatic in nature ...

This is the weakest argument yet, almost funnier than mazaje first attempt.... There is nothing in the wikipedia link that suggests anything close to what you are talking about....

So much repetition in syllable?? palindrome

You do not have to comment if you have nothing useful to contribute...

Lmao. Your attempts to ridicule and hide behind Arabic fails. Palindromes will occur more naturally in Arabic


1) What are palindromes without repetition? Looking at the structure of Arabic language it shows that repetions will occur in syllables more than English. The words in Arabic are quite palindromatic. "Ata", "ana" "darab" "ali ila"......"haddah". The repition of many syllables is evident

Many words in Arabic are one letter shy of being palindromes- zakat, rabat, Allah, Amar,


Maybe my wording is not clear (I used "syllables" instead of "letters/words" but the overall intent and meaning is clear. Arabic language is a language of repetion. Look at all the translations in the example I gave- there are lots of repetition of syllables/words/letters. This is in comparison to the exmaple you gave


"Surah Muddathir ayah 3 is a palindrome

the sentence is:

رَبَّكَ فَكَبِّرْ

look at it more closely:

رب ب ك ف ك ب ب ر

It means

'declare the greatness only of your Rabb(Lord)'"

tintingz: he really needs help, i heard he's the same as(logicboy) who carried Jesus cross for 22yrs and convertd to a monkey beleif(atheism), mayb those reverend have molest him

Atheism is not a monkey belief. It is simply a disbelief


How would you like it if I insulted islam? Would you like it if I said that Islam is a terrorist belief? No, so dont say that atheism is a monkey belief.


You think it is funny to make molestation jokes? I wouldnt do that if I were you considering your prophet and Aisha

tintingz: didnt you read what mr. Lagoshia postd he said those verses are writtn out of context...the revelation were recieved according to a particular event that occur in the time of Prophet Mohammed[saw] and not well arranged if not you won't get the message clearly until you read the whole verses of the Quran, try and do this ok.

There are two problems with what you are saying;
1) If they are out of context, then the same can be said about the peaceful verses too; they are out of context.

2) Reading the whole context of some violent verses doesnt change anything. For instance, this verse that non-muslims alkways use against islam;

Six translations of Qur'an 4:34:

"Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which God has gifted the one above the other, and on account of the outlay they make from their substance for them. Virtuous women are obedient, careful, during the husband's absence, because God has of them been careful. But chide those for whose refractoriness you have cause to fear; remove them into beds apart, and scourge them: but if they are obedient to you, then seek not occasion against them: verily, God is High, Great!" (Rodwell's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)


"Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because God has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them. Surely God is high, supreme." (Dawood's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)

"Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. As for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great." (Pickthall's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)

"Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that God has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for God's guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; God is All high, All great." (Arberry's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)


"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. (Shakir's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)



"Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whom part you fear disloyalty and ill conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance) for Allah is Most High, Great (above you all). (Ali's version of the Koran, Quran, 4:34)




Is violence in the home allowed in the form of wife beating allowed in Islam?

tbaba1234: ^hehe... abi, he could have just developed an excuse like you!!

Palindromes are difficult to form no matter the language...... I just shared one gem out of the hundreds of thousands of gems in the Quran... Palindromes are formed after a process of trial and error, editing..... Usually you need a pen to check out the different combinations...

In the case of the Quran;

1- The Prophet (sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam) was unlettered: he couldn’t read.

2- The Qur’an was not revealed as a written book; but it was oral.

3- The Qur’an was not edited, it was not revised, it was one attempt.

These three factors make it even more amazing!! Inspite of them, it still contains thousands of incredible gems, many are still yet to be found, i am sure......

One sentence of truth that debunks your whole argument;

Arabic language (classical and modern standard) is palindromatic by nature!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_language#Examples


I love reading a book. Almost a palindrome in Arabic (modern and classical). So much repetition in sylables.

tintingz: so what wrong in this verse? Pls just try and reduce ur atheism thinking and make sense hun

You believe in beating women?