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davidylan: Hold it for a second... i dislike a debate with those who deliberately obfuscate the facts. Evolution is split in two - micro and macro. No biologist disagrees with micro evolution as there is plenty of empirical evidence to back it up. Macro evolution - the idea that somehow man originated from primordial soup is the PROBLEM here.

Please note the difference when next you feel the need to hyperventilate over things you know nothing about.

Cheers01: . Wait, a biologist saying that there is no proof of evolution! ow many of your biologist friends have disowned you for that opinion?


Marketing and psychology

Have you heard of classical conditioning? Its one of the reasons people are into religion- brainwashing!

davidylan: Molecular biology. You?

vedaxcool: First step is to say the kalimatu shahada: the declaration of faith:
Ash-hadun alla ilaaha illallah
(I bear witness and attest that there is no god worthy of worship but the One God Allah (swt))

Wa ash-hadu anna Muhammad-ar- rasool ullaah
(I bear witness and attest that Muhammad (saaw) is the messenger of Allah (swt))

I will advise if there is a mosque close to where u live, u could introduce yourself to the Imam or any muslim there about your intentions so that u could be guided thru the rest of the process.

LagosShia: recite with your lips and believe in your heart:

Ash-Hadu Al La Ilaha Il-Lal-lah,Wa Ash Hadu Anna Muhammad Rasulullah.

that means you believe there is no god except Allah (the Universal Unique One Unseen Almighty Creator of all) and that Muhammad is his messenger.

the above makes you a Muslim.there are other optional recitations you utter to testify to the truthfulness of Islam.you can see an example of a christian becoming (Shia) Muslim in the below video and how the ceremony was conducted :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31OtANUKJdQ

~Royal~:
How do i go about Joining Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood?

fellis: Cheers what is it now? I don't want your skeptic title, stop giving me it.

fellis: I am not a skeptic.

LagosShia: i see! lover boy moderator.

LagosShia: hmmmm...i hope you guys are not looking for wife.you and Cheers aka MacDaddy aka logicboy.

LagosShia: You know something? don't you think Allah (swt) also allowed the death of my grandparents and relatives? He also allowed the death of over 150 people in the DANA flight.

in Islam,death is not punishment or suffering.it is the entrance to a new world for the individual.every exit is an entrance in life.it is the passage "to meet God".it can be seen as trial or test for the surviving relatives.it is a test of faith of how much they believe in God and the truth.and from the story of Job (as)-i am not sure of the specific tests he underwent- but from the Quranic narrative,he passed those tests and his faith in Allah (swt) was solid.

LagosShia: please,i am here to discuss with you.bring forth the evidence that it was God that "sent" shaitain to test Job (as).

vedaxcool: For someone to ask Do you think for Allah and then again asked us question pertaining what Allah will do underscores my point that is, serial inability to reason and draw appropriate conclusions! It is this sort of contradiction and unstable questions that leaves the sane ignoring ur posts!

And indeed it is beneath Allah's majesty to move rock!

vedaxcool: It is beneath Allah's majesty to move a rock! Period! And just because u r too unsound to think and draw the right conclusions will not invalidate that fact!

vedaxcool: I wonder why the willing learner didn't ask lagosshia what in sensible in people wiping themselves, slapping their chest, injuring themselves to commemorate the matrydom of Hussien. Yeah the intellect is "one" of the five basis for drawing laws indeed!


Lol! This question has no basis to my point, it does not aid ur case in any value! It is a pity ur teacher only prefers to teach addition and subtraction! the point remains it is beneath Allah to move a rock!

vedaxcool: Then Job told her:
"In that case I am ashamed to call on my Lord to
remove the hardship, for I
have not suffered longer than the years of good
health and plenty. It seems
yourfaith has weakened and you are dissatisfied with
the fate of Allah. If I
ever reagin health, I swear I will punish you with a
hundred strokes! From
this day onward, I forbid myself to eat or drink
anything from your hand.
Leave me alone and let my Lord do with me as He
pleases."
(Bukhari)

Cheers tanks for the link, we muslim are again reminded of Job, the patient servant of Allah, may Allah strengthen our faiths! Amin

LagosShia: please copy and post the Islamic text where that is stated.i did not ask you for a web link.

LagosShia: please i just want you to show me where that is written and what is exactly written before we discuss anything further.

LagosShia: they are different things.but faith must be based on reason.

please where did you find it written that Ayyub (as) got all his children killed by the "devil" to test his faith? and can trial be based on reason or not?

PAGAN 9JA:
ofcourse not. it was only after the rise of christianity did the christians start calling all traditionalists in europe as Pagan. the word Pagan didnt even exist in those early stages of christian persecution, so you dont need to make up stories.

PAGAN 9JA:
many traditional spiritual leaders have spent most of their lifetimes in spiritual-related work. therefore, yes, the are more in touch with spirtuality and can influence it (not control it).

even you can if you try to concentrate and understand it.

it all depends on ritual and mode and context.

LagosShia: the concept of faith without logic or rational is aimed at making religion and God look senseless,aimless and irrational.based on Shia Islam,that is therefore a wrong concept.in Shia Islam,the intellect is one of the five basis for drawing laws in the sharia or in Islamic jurisprudence.there is nothing that God made or said that cannot be rationalized or found to be true and logical.you need to reconsider your words.

vedaxcool: It is beneath Allah's majesty to carry a rock!

Lagosshia what have u been teaching ur willing learner?

fellis: This topic wasn't deleted?
Anyway my opinion: Religion thrives largely on faith not logic so it would not be right to apply logic alone when answering a question like this.
According to religion, omnipotence is something that can only be applied to a Creator that lives in a realm that is greater than the earthly realm. As a result of this, the explanation of omnipotence or the definition of omnipotence would be different/much greater in the realm in which the Creator lives.
Understanding what omnipotence truly means is likely to be limited to those of us in a world in which intellectual processes are limited and not as great as what is taught by religions, to exist in the higher realms.
So my opinion is that we can only grasp part of the real meaning of omnipotence since we live in a world where it is not possible.

LagosShia: ^

you behave like a school boy.

LagosShia: how sweet. i love the hypocrisy when atheists have nothing else to say or make sense except by claiming victory for lost battles.

xterra2: Okay both of you I agree
Maybe its not that afterall
But ....