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andrewza: Were does it say there we can not train troops. There is a major miltary exsize staring now with 5000 people involved. Comprension is a skill you do not seem to poses.

isn't CAR enough proof that your military is just a modelling agency? since you've not seen any major military operation outside you borders aside from the Angolan bush war which you didn't win, CAR was an opportunity you lost and you expect us to believe you again.
it says the officer in charge of training troops that are to join the offensive in DRC is not qualified, how do you think that will help you win against an advanced version of seleka (M23 an co.)

Thiza: I have posted Tens of South African products and there was no comment at all....Forwarded the Denel Missile Broucher and there was silence, Proved that South Africa has setallite and not only one but three and now South Africa is on the process of revamping its space centre and its lauch capabilities and there was no comment. Hardly showing a tank which of course its British but upgraded with South African world bitter technology ....YOU DECENDED LIKE VULTURES OBSERVING A CARCASS.....NOTHING MORE THAT RIDICULING SOUTH AFRICA BUT THE TRUTH SOUTH AFRICA IS BETTER THAN NIGERIA AND IF SO DO NOT THUMP SUCH BUT PROVE IT.....SHOW CASE WHAT YOU HAVE NOT TWO SHAME LOOKING ARMOURED CARRIERS....SEE BELOW WHAT I MEAN:

you don't seem to get the point. Aside from showing pictures of weapons produced by DENEL and modeled by SANDF, your military are not disciplined and well trained to mount these weapons and use them very well in real combat. even the commander of your men in DRC is a cheat. how the hell can you fend off a better trained and tested Nigerian military?

you better join the body bag industry cos your military will soon be your biggest costumer once they start confrontations with M23

please whatever you do, do not mess with these boys ooo.

25Calibre: I'm saying special forces shouldn't be using AK-47s, I don't care if its only the Nigeria army using it.

AK-47 is now ubiquitous, almost anyone can lay hands on that rifle, most rebel groups use AK-47s. How can you call yourself special forces when there is nothing special about your force? Special forces and rebels using the same gun, where is the sense in that.

There are many very powerful, accurate, high velocity, light weight, reliable rifles out there, there is no excuse for using Ak-47.

i sincerely share your view. am one of those that have criticized the army through a high ranking relative about the AK being demeaning to the special forces. and he told me that the modification was delayed due to DICON unable to get license to do that. the army is trying to use weapons they can maintain and reproduce instead of importing them. aside from the outdated AK, these special forces are very well trained and have all other gears a special forces can handle. trust me cos i know.

longjon: Vektor CR-21. Made in South Africa

is this the weapon south african army used in central africa that rebels killed almost all of them with old and rusty AK47? don't advertise your cowardly army here please. post your pictures somewhere else, this is about Nigerian army

sobaemma: hahahahahahha,lol,nigeria rule africa in terms of miltaryare u 4 realsee 4get the peace keeping issue and the au top rating of nigeria,is because of our population,u dont expect us to bring 2000 troops,and niger 200,ghana,400,and they will place them above us,if u think nigeria is that super why did they fought just a tribe 'biafra' that just got independence for few days with no plan of war ahead of them for almost 3 years with the help of the arabs and cant defeat,even when they had no foreign support,they only won afters years through blocking food supply send to them,so nigeria military cant fight??imagine we had war with another nation not a tribe that we dont ve access to their food supply,so wotz next?to me that cowadice act wont work,so dont protray nigeria military as if they are something while they are nothing

you are very ignorant sir. War is won by strategy not just guns and bombs. it doesn't matter how they won it but they won anyway. Egypt that is rated as number one, can you tell me how many war they've won? with all their weapons Israel still uses them to play ludo. the south Africa that is respected, how many wars have they fought and won? the only war they faced was the bush war which they lost during the apartheid regime.

can you point out which conflict the almighty US have intervened in and resolved peacefully "i mean the countries are living peacefully right now"
but Nigeria's interventions in SL and Liberia brought lasting peace to those countries and they still thank Nigeria for it.(even though British tried to claim responsibility through their biased media).

guy, appreciate your military cos they stay awake and risk their lives so you can go to sleep with you two eyes closed.

25Calibre: Did you even read and understand my comment properly? Where did I say other special forces use AK-47s?

I said look at other special forces, observe what they use and then compare it to Nigeria

Always look before you leap

can you be more specific cos you sound incoherent here. are you talking in terms of gear or just the gun?

iamdsam: I see niggas who don't know a thing about the military and that of Nigeria to be specific talking trash here. And back to the pictures of our military hardwares which aren't really military hardwares but military softwares. This is one main reason why they can't defeat the Boko Haram insurgents. You don't use low grade weapons like that to combact insurgents that are well armed with sophisticated weapons that are ever ready for a gorilla warfare in this 21 century. They're celebrating their future suicide mission. I rest my case

funny how the bolder sound as if you are referring to yourself . if you really know about military, you would know that no tank was displayed. those are artillery guns and APCs. how the hell can you use artillery guns to fight insurgency in a well populated area. you are ignorant abeg.
why don't you go and ask better equipped countries like Russia, Turkey, India, Indonesia, Philippine how easy it is to counter insurgency. or why British military with it's might could not destroy IRA but had to beg them to the negotiating table.

you are ignorant abeg

25Calibre: You are the one displaying ignorance. There are loads more modern assault riffles out there with better range, accuracy, velocity.

Look at other special forces. Ak-47 is just a rebel gun today.

Saying that a 1950s gun is still fit for purpose in modern combat, is plain ignorant

well, if you must know. only the NA special forces still use AK47 rifle. the NN special forces and air force rapid response team use Tevor rifle. DICON is currently working to have their own modernized version of the AK for NA.
please before you criticize, get proper info so you'll be taken seriously.

the guy is right about AK still being rated high. i saw a video on BBC of some US special forces in Afghanistan complaining of their M16 always jamming during rapid fire while the Taliban were still shoot rapidly at them with the AK.

25Calibre: GEJ should stop embarrassement and please send those antiquated weapons to the museum of antiquities.

Its shameful that a country as big as Nigeria has these WW2 relics as modern day military hardware, c'mon even a home made RPG would cause serious damage to these things

aside from the 4th and 6th picture that is outdated, which other weapon there is? is there any tank in display? do you even know what artillery gun is? you and all these ignorant Hollywood wannabe people should just shut up if you have no idea what the event represents.

it's an event to celebrate NA engineers cos all the equipments were refurbished, modernized and the 7th pic is the igirigi APC that was built by the Nigerian army engineers. it was not an event to showcase all their equipments dummy.

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vislabraye: A lot of people criticising have not seen these harware in action. We still have the best infantry in Africa and one of the best in de world.

ignorance is our number one problem in this country. am sure they don't know the APC in the 7th pic was built by NA, and the rest were refurbished by the army. the event was to show achievements of NA engineers. not to show all our equipments.

jusRadical: Yes!

Why can't your america with all their sophisticated and state of the art military hardware fight Iran or even North Korea. Why are the still struggling in Iraq and Afghanistan?

good question. leave these ignorant slobs to say what they like. the equipments on display were refurbished and the one in the 7th pic was built in Nigeria. so the whole event was to celebrate Nigerian army engineers and their work so far.

duni04: Most of the tanks were procured from second hand shops in downtown shanghai. How can u b even posing with scuba diving gear or parachute that some 16yr old's in some countries can use. Later they'll award 1 billion naira contract to buy 10 parachutes, height of stupidity

you are the s.tupid one for thinking your comment makes any sense. Was your father there when they bought the tanks? If they want to display parashute landing how is it a problem. You this people with your ''if whites don't do it we shouldn't'' syndrom make me sick to the stomach. *spits on your username*

Mike..ZA:
You know your place. Nigeria can't invade any country,with well organised and equipped army. If you still think,your armed forces are capable of moving their tanks or armoured vehicles in a cross country warfare. Stop dreaming.

i think you should read your history books very well, cos we did it alone during the Liberian and SL war. isn't that enough proof?

andrewza: Why do think nigerias milltary accdamy is any better? Have you been to both acadmys, do you no profesors in both?

Regaurdless SA is home to the largest training ground in the southern hemsphere, and great milltary accadmys. We have no need to send people to nigeria it not like you guys have actualy ever shown you know what you doing.

i haven't been to both but judged from the amount of foreign military personnel that enrolled in both. and we have always shown to know what we are doing. even you can't deny it.

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leave the S.TUPID boy to wallow in his S.TUPIDITY.
More Africans study in our military institutions than their faculty and it bites him so hard.
Please don't bother arguing with him cos you'll end up giving out too much knowledge with none in return.

Our posts are proof

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CraigB: you wasted your energy arguing with me.

of course i wasted my energy arguing with you cos you just proved how S.TIUPID you are by not quoting me to back your comment. And i totally regret it

CraigB: You are wasting my time.

1. You state in your own words that your institutions of military learning have been converted to universities.

2. You admit that a university is a place of academic learning.

Therefore, you'd have to be completely irrational to refuse to compare Stellenbosch university to your institutions of military learning on this thread.

Both Stellebosch and your training institutions are universities. The thread is quite apt. Theres no other thread. The comparison is quite apt too. Points 1 and 2 are the basis.

Unless you want to escape the argument that you started? If you "see no basis for comparison", then you had no business telling me that you have better institutions. Theres no basis for comparison after all (according to you).

This is what happens when you jump into things head first

You get battered and you go to bed with a heavy heart

o you are a really dull child. Where did i compare stellebosh to our own military institution. Please i would like you to quote me. I dare you.
Yes they are both universities but built on different foundations. It's like comparing university of agriculture to universityy of technology because the unitech offer agric engineering. Thats rather silly


I only talked about the faculty SANDF partly owns with the school. Stellebosh did not gain recognition from that faculty. The faculty was formally approved in 96 by the school board.

I dare you to quote me where i talked about our military institution being ranked higher than stellebosh.
If you can't quote me then it will be proof that you are S:TUPID.
And am going to sleep cos unlike you i've got a life and a job and i see no reason to stay awake all night for this merry go round kind of argument. Gudnite

CraigB: Try another tactic. You tied yourself up in knots. Clearly.

The question remains. You military education institutions, which according to you have been converted to universities, how are they tanked relative to Stellenbosch university of South Africa?

Secondly, may we please have some papers published by your learned soldiers out of these universities. Internationally published and peer-reviewed papers. Please.

wrong... That was not the basis of the argument, and i already told you to look for education thread, I'll be there waiting for you. This is a military thread and am not gonna assist you in derailing it.
It seems my work is done already. Go to sleep if you have nothing military to talk about. S.TUPID boy

stellebosh is not a wholly military university while NDA is. We run different systems. So i see no reason for your comparison. Go to sleep please cos am dozzing already

CraigB: Yes - exactly the point. If they are universities, then they are places of academic learning. What else is a university if it not a place of academic learning?

duhh!! Isn't that what i've been trying to teach you since. Must have been very hard for you to understand ABC

CraigB: Yes - exactly the point. If they are universities, then they are places of academic learning. What else is a university if it is not a place of academic learning?

Now, these universities of yours, where are they ranked, relative to Stellenbosch university, please?

Give us something quantifiable. Your academic rank for these universities you speak of.

While at that, please give us some of your internationally published, peer reviewed papers - as written by your learned soldiers. Please.

errr Sorry, that's not the topic. My mission has been accomplished in trying to educate you bout our military education institutions. Which is what you wanted right?

Am not gonna join that train of S.TUPIDITY with you.
Go loook for ranking in another thread or please feel free to continue if you wish.
S.TUPID boy

CraigB: Then you had no business talking to me. You can't give me what I asked for and you were going off on a tangent, as you admit.

You shot your mouth off, when you had no clue what I was talking about. Vocalisation without comprehension.

everything you said on this post is refering to yourself.

I already told you we don't operate the same way. Our military schools already run every courses and that's why they were converted to Universities. It's the way our system is. Every country has it's own ways of doing things. We don't have to copy America like you did and yet you fail in every miltary operations.

We have NDA, AFIT etc that award such degrees. You are the one that is too dull and in a hurry to understand what you read.

you sound like one who talks before thinking, then in your effort to correct yourself you start rambling.
guy you S.TUPID die

CraigB: Yes. Academic ranking to prove that you have a culture of military academia. That's what we're arguing here. You must be on the wrong thread, then? Or are you so blinded by anger that you don't even see what is being argued?

The point is your military analysts know nothing, because you do not have a strong academic culture or institutions.

Unless you're happy to just argue blindly, I don't see what you problem is.

At some point, the "you're stupid" line will get tired, if it hasn't become tired already. Who on earth argues with a "stupid person" as much as you do? Very imbalanced, my friend.

Stellenbosch - our military institution of learning is ranked above any of yours, I repeat. What is your ranking, I ask again?

what i've been doing with you is not an argument but an education, so it's not bad to want to educate a S.TUPID person like you.
And no. our argument has never been about academic ranking

CraigB: Naai-geria has no credible military education institution.

Fact.

that was how you started and i proved to you that we have one that is very respected in Africa.
Just because you copied American system does't make you as good as them.
I never said anything about Stellebosh being low rank but the faculty that is partly run by SANDF not to be compared with NDA university.
You really need to learn to read, that's one way to leave S.TUPIDITY
Am never gonna get tired of calling you S.TUPID cos ''STUPI.D is as S.TUPID does''. And you just proved that.

If you wanna argue about education ranking i believe there are other threads on Nairaland for that. Look for it since you live on Nairaland and have no life. Lemme sleep jor. Olodo oshi

CraigB: Exactly. The Indians gave you an academic structure. Now you'd have us believe something different. Thank you.

Now it's only your subjective view who has got better brains. Show us your academic literature. Where are your internationally published peer reviewed papers?

Compared to South Africa, what on earth makes you academically better? Do you even know Stellenbosch's ranking in the world? Relative to yours?

Academic ranking, sir. Academic ranking.

Your academic institutions have nothing on ours. Don't let us list the rankings now. We all know where the university of Stellenbosch is, relative to your academic institutions.

Academically, you people are rubbish, so we shouldn't listen to your so-called analysts.

This is what happens when you get angry at strangers on chat forums. You end up being the joke. Arguing without understanding what is being put forward. Look at you now

so now it's academic ranking?

You just keep proving your S.TUPIDITY on this thread.

Now you realize you military institutions ain't close to ours, you wanna jump to education sector. Sorry this is a military post, check other threads for that. You really are S.TUPID you know

it must have been very difficult to make you know ABC

CraigB: Oh, to further cement your lack of understanding, you ask a question like that. One step at a time. First, you're proving my point through the bolded.

See below, why the institution is not being run by the military. See? You people know nothing about teaching military brains. You just teach military muscles.

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The South African Military Academy is based on similar principles as that of the Military Academy system of the United States (United States Military Academy United States Naval Academy United States Air Force Academy). The Academy is a military unit of the South African National Defence Force (SANDF) housing the Faculty of Military Science of the University of Stellenbosch.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Military_Academy

You don't know what you're talking about, clearly...

Oh, at some point you'll have to realise that it's easier to speak like a normal person. You're doing yourself a disservice by constantly going toe-to-toe with someone that you'd like to believe is a fo*ol. It makes you the bigger fool, because clearly, you've allowed someone to get under your skin. Not very smart.

oh i know what am saying alright.
You expect that because SA or America does it this way, the rest should follow suit.
Well, we like to do things our way.
Anyone who's interested in military studies goes through NDA, and for your info they combine both brains and muscle. Probably why UN keeps giving us command of peacekeeping operations. And ya'll keep posing for photos.

Get this straight into your empty head. NDA runs military studies and combat trainings. And it's an institution that is more respected than yours.
I know you must have asked yourself why we've never lost a battle nor fled before, and you've never won any and have fled from a rag tag rebel group.
It has to be the institution gadamit. S.TUPID boy

CraigB: Really?

Give me a single Naai-gerian institution that has a military science faculty better than this...

http://www0.sun.ac.za/MilScience/

Just one.

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You people love saying you're tired and you won't respond, but your anger won't let you rest in peace, like you should

Academically, you have nothing; and you're at the mercy of other countries. Your institutions are ranked below South Africa's. Fact.

Don't keep singing the combat song. That's not the issue here. Comprehension, Okonkwo. Comprehension before speech.

By the way, no one forces you to talk to me. So don't blow your top as if CraigB forces you to respond to my posts. How long have you been threatening to ignore me again?

then if you are the product of that high ranking institution, your country must be going down hills.

Faculty of military studies in stellebosh started in early 90s while our military institutions right from secondary schools to uni (NDA) started decades before you dreamnt of starting a faculty.

No doubt NDA was established with assistance from the indians but now it is one of the most respected military universities in Africa. You can't deny it boy.

Don't even start with our education system cos with the challenges we are facing right now , we still graduate brains that are far superior to a south african. fACT

CraigB: Now there's a big twisted lie if I ever saw one. I posted a link showing exactly what the relationship between India and Nigeria is.

India is hardly the student and the Indian individuals that have gone to naai-geria are mere course participants. They aren't empty students hungry for knowledge. India built part of your institutions. What on earth could you teach them?

Lie not to us, sir. Foaming in the mouth won't change the fact that Naai-geria doesn't have a tradition of it depth in military university education. Okonkwo-like anger is wasted on CraigB.

You keep telling me about irrelevant combat training. I'm talking about brains here. Not brawn. You people have no military literatuire from your institutions. You have lower grade institutions.

Therefore, your military analysts know nothing.

Look at this internationally published, peer-reviewed paper by our people: http://www.ajol.info/index.php/smsajms/article/download/75247/65814

"Maj William Moswetsi1, Lt Col Jaco Renken (Computer Information Systems) and Dr Ariane Neethling (Statistics), Faculty of Military Science, Stellenbosch University". Look at the quality of the academic work. Pure quality that your best analyst, Agaugust could never produce


Don't just open your mouth. Understand the argument and then respond. In your attempt to prove me fo*olish, you've repeatedly positioned yourself as an angry Okonkwo. Your anger is working against you and you've become a joke. Congratulations.

why would i be angry at you? I can only feel sorry for your head.

The only university that offers military studies in Nigeria is NDA. And the only university that runs it in SA is stallenbosh university, and the faculty(not the scholl) is partly owned by SNDF.
So i don't understand your reason for jonzing.

Now answer my question. Which of the two institutions or should i say ''institution vs faculty'' (since your military are too slow to run a full institution), have taught more foreign military personel?

Guy when i call you s.tupid, it's not anger. It what you really are. Check the meaning in case you've forgotten

CraigB: Now, you need to understand, military studies have nothing to go with winning battles.Military studies are run by universities. Academic institutions.

you're a DUMBA*SS MUDAF*CKER

you see why i keep calling you S.TUPID. are you trying to shift from military institutions that you started to military studies as a course?
for your info, NDA also runs military studies, that's why it has been converted to a University for any civilian interested in military studies.

face it. Nigerian military institutions beats SA by far and until your military come here to learn, they'll never win any battle till you die. FACT

am tired of giving out knowledge with nothing in return. is there really any gain talking to you? you seem very DULL and intellectually incapacitated. olodo oshi

abeg clear road make i talk to people wey i fit learn from.

CraigB: So, just to be clear - is the argument that you train India now being abandoned? Ok.

Now, you need to understand, military studies have nothing to go with winning battles. Military studies are run by universities. Academic institutions, with Naai-geria not being the most capable in that regard.

That's why your military analysts are like Agaugust

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chris365: oh how really dumb you are. Why don't you tell that too other African countries that have sent their high ranking officers to come and train in our military institutions. So far i don't see them running to SA's failed Military for training.

And you seem to be swimming in the rubbish argument very well. Thats what we always see you here for anyway.

nigeria is not SA or America, it's our military policy to always conceal the identity of our special forces whether in the sun or rain. It's tha Nigerian ARMY Military gadamit, not a tea party or modeling agency like SA military.
fACT

as usual you keep proving your inability to understand what you read. this was what i put forward and it was supported by augugust

agaugust: India is the 4 ranked strongest military power in the world, indian army officers train and learn in nigerian military academies. all posted here before on back pages. Pakistani amry officers train in nigeria too. nigerian military officers have the best combination of multi-national training of mixed combat tactics and war strategy in all africa, and one of the top best in the whole world.

which isn't wrong cos i gave you a link where Indian military recently sent their personnel to participate in a course in NDA that is and if that's not training to you, you need to get your head checked cos your too DUMB.

NDA is wholly recognized in Africa. live with it or go kiss a frog. Dummy