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alj harem:
what dumbest comment  

i tell u the 5th largest group in nigeria is itsekiri of population of 2-3 million people

u people just want to classify them as ijaw,,,,, NO
they have rights also

Beccomerich you're very funny. We both know northerners no nothing about the tribes in the ND. They think we all are Igbo. You cover is really weak. Next time do better.

alj harem:
sharrp


do u know that itsekiri is the 5th largest group in nigeria after ijaw

there about 2-3million itsekiri so what are u talking about

do not check wikipedia becuase it can be edited any time

The dumbest comment that I've heard all day.You must have got that information out of your azz.

becomrich4:
which oil dey south east you make laugh. you be ogbologbo 419.

You make all of us laugh.

DapoBear:
The same applies to issues that occur in forming a hypothetic ND Republic. None of the individual groups can be railroaded, they'll have to come up with an equitable consensus that they all agree on.

Agreed.

DapoBear:
There is no way you can force them to declare independence and then join Biafra, lol. When you divide a country, people get to go where they want. If the Itsekiri say no, they have enough people within Warri to block a vote. Remember, usually the United Nations requires something like 75%+ or some other really high number when voting. There is no way you are going to get the required number to cause Warri or Delta to join Biafra if the Itsekiri block it.

It isn't simple majority vote.

Duh,about the people wanting to go where they want. I pointed that out for you long ago.Look drop the Igbo sentiment, you are the only one stuck on the Biafra stuff we are discuss itsekiri and ND Republic. Now show me anywhere where i talked about itsekiri going to Biarfra or people being forced against their will. Point it out so we can get this thing going.

alj harem:
gbam

itsekiri is a dialect of ijebu

but they oringnated from the benin kingdom

ijaw people are not the 4th largest ethnic group, it is just a political slogan by obj

ijaws are not the owner of warri

The title one of the city's traditional ruler, the Olu of Warri, was formerly known as the Olu of Itsekiri. When the title was changed by Awolowo's Western Nigeria government from Olu of Itsekiri to Olu of Warri in 1952, members of the other tribes (Urhobos, Isokos and Ijaws) saw this as an attempt to impose an Itsekiri ruler over them.[1] The title dispute has led to series of clashes between the tribes in Warri over sovereignty.

jason12345:
delta state is mainly shared between itsekiris an urhobobs.

but in the nigerdelta, i think the ijaws are more than any group. so yes thy are the 4th largest.

as things stand, the if nigerdelta republic is formed, then the itsekiris would follow. but the idea that the[b] whole[/b] niger delta would follow anybody to any other republic is a joke.

You are wrong. You should have learned more about where you claim to be from. Delta state is not shared mainly between itsekiris and urhobos. And also in the ND, the Ibibios are the largest. The stuff that beccomerich continues to talk about with edo and delta moving to his peoples republic is more that laughable,aint happenin.

DapoBear:
If the Itsekiri shall not be in Biafra, then it seems doubtful to me that Warri or Delta state is likely to follow.

Delta state does not move when itsekiri moves so the way you put it is incorrect. whatever itsekiri does na their own business. Don't say Delta State, There are igbos from delta state and they will definitely go with their brothers. Also there is Urhobo/Isoko in Delta State and they have a mind of their own. Once again We are talking about ND Republic also so keep that in mind. And Warri is a volital area you cannot call warri by itsekiri. The Olu there is olu of his own people, not "Warri".

jason12345:
am itsekiri ooooo! we are not going with the igbos and ijaws to any biafra!!!

just wanted to make that clear. by the way, warri is not, i repeat not ijaw land. if it was, we wouldn't have olu of warri

Itsekiri going to Biafra is out of the equation. Noone wants itsekiri into Biafra. The talk was about Itsekiri going into the ND Republic. And if youre hope they go with the yorubas if the ND Republic is declared it is highly unlikely. Don't get it twisted it appears from what I have read to be more of Ijaw land than anything. Don't let that "Olu of Warri" stuff fool you. Learn the history behind it. Awolowo named the Olu Olu of "Warri" which he was strongly advised not to do because of trouble it will cause from warris real indigenes. He went ahead and did it anyway. That act of dominance is one of the main reason the Midwestern Region was created apart from the West.

DapoBear:
Fair enough. I would be interested to hear the thoughts of the people of the SS itself.

Anyway, I have no dog in the fight. So long as the rights of the Itsekiri are protected in whatever state they choose to enter, I'm fine with however things develop.

In ND republic the Ijaw and Itsekiri must battle for warri which ever way you put it and if the Ijaws believe it is their land,which does seem to be, there is no way that land is entering another country other than theirs. Certain territories are high volatile such as Warri and Opobo.

DapoBear:
Probably quite true that the reasons would be unknown to me. But that is why I ask. For what reason would they seek political union with you? You've not really answered the question, simply claimed that I don't know the reason (which I already admitted in my original post.)

One thing which you have to understand is history with in the tribes in the East. Another thing is the clamor for a new country which consist of Igbos and Ibibios etc. The said country, "Biafra" has already been in the works and structure set up as far as how the country is to be run. This type of planning between various groups in the East has been going on for years even till this day. Socio-cultural connections between the two regions are very strong. Now when you have the agitation of two countries formed out of the region, "ND Republic" and "Biafra", it complicates things even more. For instance, which country will offer us a better deal, which country has the better structure,organization, and planning so to speak. Also, history of wars amongs the tribal people in the the region. For instance, the Ijaws believe Warri belong to them;however, itsekiri think it belongs to them so lets say an itsekiri were to become president, the ijaw will be in fear of being pushed out and warri completely given to itsekiri and vice versa. Why do you think Edwin Clark is trying to have Gov. Uduaghan unseated as Delta State Governor?. History place a big part also, its not just about "oil".

DapoBear:
I don't see any real incentive for the SS to have a union with the SE. Why share the oil money? If they declare their own republic, they dont have to share the money with the SE. So for what reason would they unite?

The reason is deeper than what you,a yoruba, will ever know. By what you typed is clear you,a yoruba, don't know much about the SS,which includes igbos. All you see is "oil" thats are non- SS and SEasterners think about. Both SS and SE have oil so your point is not thorough at all.

Missy85:
there's some mileage in the argument for splitting Nigeria, though I havent given that option a deep thought yet, so I'm undecided.

To those who say South South & South East can form a union. Highly unlikely I'm afraid. Right now, the SS mistrusts the Igbos prob more than the Hausas.

You're wrong. Stop spreading propaganda.Earlier you put up a thread disrespecting Igbos but immediately took it down. Stop telling lies,hopefully you will find your way.

monkeyleg:
Not really, but it is part of our history and there are lessons to be learnt

We must discuss it, let our kids and our kids kids, know what happened about 40yrs ago. Over 2million Nigerians lost thier lives, it is not one of those issues that can be swept under the carpet. It must be brought out for everyone to know the truth no matter how painful it is.

I say this, because all the significant moments in the history of this country has been barnished. We dont talk about the slave trade, neither do we talk about the assasination of Murtala Mohammed, there is so much that has has happend that needs to be brought to nthe fore

About the civil war teachings yes i think it should be taught in the schools but that can only happen when equality is reach and the tribalistic and theolistic bias is done away with. However, i dont see this happening anytime in the near future.

You are right, the majority of nigeians don't even know about the slave trade. Instead they teach us history about some white bytch england's queen Elizabeth and the rest of that european nonsense.

Moderator, can this thread be moved to the Tribalism section it has nothing to do with politics:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-547663.0.html

monkeyleg:
He is due in the UK on or around the end of Nov, I think 27th or 28th I will confirm and let you know. He is due to be attending a few lectures, I will give you full details when I have them ok. send me a PM and I will respond with all the details,

The reason I ask about the civil war, is that for such a big event in the history of Nigeria, it is never remembered or celebrated. If Nigeria was the west, it would be a yearly thing. Infact some of the evil that was pepertrated then would have been investigated and living culprits brought to book

Thanks, will do.

And for the nigerian civil war, the reason why it is not celebrated unlike the US civil war is because it was unjustly fought.Certain citizens are not discrimated on because of a civil war. In the U.S. both southerners and northners are allowed into presidency and none are discriminated against in terms of federal governmental positions. Nigeria knows that this country wasnt fought to keep us together and by celebrating such a thing, it is a slap in the face to the ones they have oppressed and continue to oppression and it will only cause blood to boil and an uproar. At least that's how I see it.

Mr Barzini:
Niger Delta is made up of two states, Rivers and Bayelsa. That is why I said earlier on that Eze Uche is not a Niger Deltan. The Igbo's and Yoruba's are just leeches.
This map is the true map of Niger Delta

Sorry but there are indigenous Igbos from both Rivers and Bayelsa so you are still killing your argument.

calid16:
Sorry about mistake i was typing with anger, i've corrected it.

Well then I agree with your title. Insha Allah it will happen.

The answer is yes. Also monkeyleg when is Pat Utomi suppose to becoming to U.K. and where? I remember you speaking about it last month or so.

seanet02:
what happened to the usurpers that declare state of emergency in southwest? Tafawa Balewa was Killed
Akintola Head was spray with bullet?
Dont be silly!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMAO!!!!!! this must be a beccomerich joke. . Bless your soul child.LOL

Are you ok? Does your title, "South East And South West Can Go With The Oil, Sokoto And Lagos Will Survive" make sense?

seanet02:

what you dont know is nobody can secede from Nigeria without Yorubas Approval
dont you know the North were losing until Awo says stop them at Ore?
You dont know anything

ROTFLMAO!  Whos approval? . This is the funniest shyt i have ever heard on NL.LOL. Awolowo said stop them at Ore? So he was a commander in the Nigerian army now? LOL. Please step out of Wonka Land. He couldn't even do anything when the north refused to leave his people's land during and after Operation Wetie. Joko jor. Ga kporu ali. I hope you know OPC was originally set up for the secession of the SW from nigeria but um hmmm i wonder what happened.

I guess the slave can now tell his master when the master can no longer be his owner. LOL. Approval? From Yoruba?!LMAO

Please can the OP shrink the picture? The guy is extremely ugly and its really annoying me.

seanet02:
chz, oya leave, please leave, declare Biafra and see how the north breaks your coconut head!!!!!!!!!!

The north got their A-holes handed to them by us, your people couldn't even help them.They went to their Western masters and USSR for help. So what makes you think those mumus can beat us alone when they couldnt before? LOL.

Are your people that scared of the north? Are u the one screaming up and down for oduduwa republic seanet02?

Aigbofa:
You are minnow, a small fish. I don't waste my time with half baked, idio.ts.

Sounds like you stole that line from a tv show.Korny to the T. LOL

seanet02:
who forced you in? Awo or Zik? sometimes you behave like a slowpoke, sometimes like a sane guy!!! you keep pissing me of you day in day out!!!!!!!!!! why is dude so dumb like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First off neither forced us into nigeria and i never said they did. However, Lugard did with the amalgamation. So we had every right to leave even before the continuous massacres of Igbos in the north.

Aigbofa:
Thank you seanet02,

Can you believe his nerve! This monkey is the most uncouth, reprobate on Nairaland. Every post is laden with curses and insults as if he has a monopoly on such behaviour.

You're thanking the pseudo-muslim when he has just committed to same thing your  ridiculing Dede1 for? You are a dodo indeed and guess seanet is your boyfriend or something.

seanet02:
yes its a crime to use what you have to stop the impeding killing of your People, sometimes i wonder if you Igbos reason at all, you think too shallow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We were forced into nigeria, so we have a right to force our way out.

Ojiofor:
Nobody asked Awo for food or Nigeria gov to feed Biafrans but their starvation policy means they were shooting airplanes bringing food to Biafra.That is what made Awo guilty of war crimes.

Gbam!

~Bluetooth:
It's either he hasn't or he didn't take to his advice.ok how about uwazuruike ?

Both Uwazuruike and Dokubo work together. They are both Barristers also.

~Bluetooth:
He should see ojukwu for counselling !

I'm sure he already has.