₦airaland Forum

omonuan:
Chyz1, I could tell that you are not Anioma and if I were a betting man I would have bet that you were Urhobo b/4 you disclose the fact.  Even the Urhobo have dialectical differences too , Okpe and Owian(Spelling?) are different.  In fact, I consider Isoko and Urhobo to be the same.  I don't know the questions you want me to answer.  If it is civil I will try to answer it.  The essence of this thread is to learn from each other but we can't do so if we are agitated.

I also am aware that Urhobo and Igbo share some words like "biko" and manu other words but that's for another thread!

I'm a mix of Delta and Imo,pure Igbo. Yea they do.Urhobo/Isoko are one I read they use to be underone name until they had a disagreement. The first video I posted where is it from?

omonuan:
Chyz1,

I thought about ignoring you  at first.  However, a final response is apt from me cos I see that we are entering a slippery slope here.  You are like a typical Nigerian.  If you lose an argument on logic you launch an adhominem balderdash.  Check me out in this forum and any other fora, I do not insult or engage in name calling.  If someone stoops into a gutter, I usually leave him/her there and move on. 

This started as an intellectual exercise of "similarity between Bini and Igbo."  I gave many examples and you came up with a litany of excuses why you thought that my examples are limited to border towns.  I gave you instances that indicate wide spread use of Bini/Igbo words in the whole of Anioma.  You then surreptitiously introduced the argument that Ukwuani is a bit similar but largely distinct from the other Anioma dialects and I disagreed.

Every discerning Anioma man would have known what Utomi means.  By your own  admission, you did not.  Anioma person would know that the video you posted as an example of what you called Asaba dialect is nothing but gibberish compared to Enuani.  Furthermore, an Anioma person would understand what the term "Igbo Ngala" stands for.  These are the facts that lead me to conclude that you may be from Delta State but you are not from Anioma. Although this is not by any means dispotive! 

I do not have to tell you what part of Enuani I am from.  It is irrelevant besides, I have already given you the hint previously.  I am not going to continue this exchange with you unless you veer away from your current path and engage in civil discussions. Thank you very much!

You still didn't answer my questions. And it seems as if you are taking things too personal. This whole "argument" has brung out history that others may not have know. I may be from delta state but I am not from Anioma so that so i guess i'm Urhobo. Anyways still waiting for your answers.

Kobojunkie:
Optimism is what you call it? May I suggest you look up the meaning of that word in the dictionary to understand why it is not the case here? Optimistic people usually act according to that belief. Is that the case with your sample you are referring to there?

ROTFLMAO!

Yea they were happy until they found out the big Magilla Gorilla Obasanjo was staying as Presidido.

Environer:
I nearly got retarded studying that Oduduwa fell from the sky. Now it does look like he did not fall after all; he was pushed.

ROTFLMAO! 

They didn't call him Master, They called him Papa.

I'm still wondering why Awolowo is not on that list.

Environer:
Diya and Adisa, 2 Yoruba Generals called a Major (Mustafa) master and bowed for him. What sort of Generals are those? Amala and Gbegiri Generals or what?

Na wa ooo. Laffta don kill me ooo. ROTFLAMO!

Environer:
How did Tinubu, a COMPLETE fraud, become Yoruba Asiwaju?

He became a FRAUD. That's all you need to get initiated.

fstranger:
Cowardice, not cowardise.Another evidence that your ethnic group is inferior to mine. Yorubas are better than the Ibos in all speheres of life. Thanks you!

It would be an illiterate to point out another person's mistake.

fstranger:
During the Nigeria/Civil war, A Yoruba man served as Quartermaster-General of the Nigerian Army under General Yakubu Gowon and organized the logistic support leading to the comprehensive defeat and surrender of ‘Biafran Army’ - a ragtag Army of rebels!”

We still beat una like small kids!

what is the yoruba man's name. And never say WE(as in yoruba) because Murtala mohammed had to come and save yall from being invaded by Biafrans, not to talk about the internal sabotage in the Biafra army.

jason12345:
and what did ojukwu do? he ran away and left his people to starve to death!!! c'mon, thats not a leader.

And committing suicide while your people are suffering is? Who's still able to fight for his people?

Environer:
After which Awo committed suicide. Too bad.

Thank you. I guess the fear of IBB was that great.

omonuan:
Chyz1 again you've spoken about Ukwuani and other Anioma dialects as if Ukwani is alien dialect to Ika & and Enuani- It is not.  I have told you previously that I am Enuani.  Contrary to your assertions, Ika, Ukwuani and Enuani are mutually intelligible to each other.  You do not need interpreter for any!

And for your information, all are similar but Enuani and Ukwuani are much more similar.  No interpretation, nada, zilch!  Infact, for Anioma people Ukwuani is where Anioma music emanates from.  Check out Isioma, Ali Chukwuma(yes Good ole Ali was Ukwuani), Late Charles Iwegbue, Ubulu international etc thrill Anioma people from Agbor to Asaba, Issele-uku to Ubulu-ukwu down to Ogwashi-uku to Igbuzo.  All Anioma people do not strain at all to understand what is said in Ukwuani.  If you do not speak any of the dialects, you may think like you do but take it from me.  I know first hand that all Anioma Dialects are similar.  Enough said! Do not belabor this issue because it is nothing but a truism that all Anioma dialects are alike!

In fact, anecdoctal evidence suggests that the famous Igbo slave Olauda Equiano was from Ashaka- the present day Ukwuani enclave and he was proud to be Igbo according to his own narratives.


You are also dead wrong that the video you posted is Asaba(Enuani) . What you posted is what we call "Igbo ngala" in Anioma.  An Asaba person would spit venom if you tell him he spoke like the video.  Now I know that you do not know what you are talking about. I rest my case please spare me! No wonder! You've been comparing apple and oranges. The second video is Ukwuani and I understand it word for word although the sound quality leaves much to be desired.

Ali Chukwuma( One of my favorites), moved to Anambra i believe while he was still at a young age. He speaks like Igbos from Anambra. I am from delta state, the part we are talking about so you can't tell me I don't know about MY people. I never said they weren't similar but for you to come here and spread nonsense that they can understand each other word for word is BS, and you are dreaming. What Area is "Igbo ngala" from smart man? "sound quality leaves much to be desired"LOL. Where in Enuani are you from?

Ali Chukwuma:

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SapeleGuy:
He could have run away after he was released the first time in 1993.

Do you think he wouldn't have been shot as soon as he took one step in the wrong direction? He knew is boundaries.

SapeleGuy:
In the end, he didn't run away , he stood up for his beliefs, showed the spirit of self sacrifice and died for his people - isn't that the mark of true leadership?

Running from Abacha was a hard thing to do,it just couldn't happen.

Environer:
It is even to the modesty of Emeagwali that he did not come home and obtain a PhD, earned or honorary. Many Nigerian universities especially those in Yorubaland who love paper certificate like mad would have been pleased to bestow him  a PhD or honorary doctorate for free. Little wonder everybody in Yorubaland is a prof including unborn children, cats and dogs.

LMAO!

afam4eva:
Eleme is more like Ogoni by association rather than language. Do you also know that Kana, Ghokana and Tai speak almost differently just like Eleme ?

After review the comparison of the mainstrean ogoni language and eleme I am convinced that the Eleme are ogonis and are trying to opt out. It's the same old story. Anyhow, the elemes feel that their clan is being marginalized by the rest of the Ogoni nation.

http://www.rogerblench.info/Language%20data/Niger-Congo/Benue-Congo/Cross%20River/Ogoni/Ogoni%20page.htm

ChinenyeN:
http://www.rogerblench.info/Language%20data/Niger-Congo/Benue-Congo/Cross%20River/Ogoni/Ogoni%20page.htm

Thanks bro.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=548839.msg7117433#msg7117433 date=1289416474]My dear, a lot of mixed tribe offsprings on NL lived in yorubaland like abeokuta and non-yoruba land like delta state.

We can say that most mixed tribes occurs in Lagos, but not all

And same thing happens out of Nigeria too, so let's forget the Lagos thing, that's what we hear on Nl by those trying to admit what "it is" lol[/quote]i'm still not getting where the yoruba man equation comes in. After that last comment by Wily+Wily you have really gone haywire.Its like u're trying to help boost the confidence of yorubas.Not a good look.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=548839.msg7117381#msg7117381 date=1289415853]While I see the hating on yoruba men. I'll let them defend themselves

This is not only about igbo men hating on yoruba men or vice versa, this is abt general hate on yoruba men. Yet they still seem to be getting any woman they want. Even hausa women dey halla [/quote]maybe you are talking about yorubaland,more specifically lagos because i've not noticed it.

[quote author=Abuzola ! link=topic=548830.msg7117336#msg7117336 date=1289415453]Quran 3;64.

Say (O Muhammad ): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allah, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allah. Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims."[/quote]Is this quota made to insult islam? I'm not getting the point of it.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=548839.msg7117159#msg7117159 date=1289413716]Honey, with those threads, I wasnt trying to target willy+willy or NL. There's a bigger web out there and many viewers If you know what I mean

But seriously tho. . . .I've noticed this, even on NL You have women clmaoring for Yoruba men, but men hating on them. Na why?[/quote]I've not noticed that. I don't see men hating on yoruba but I always see yoruba men hating on Igbo men every second. Every step I take, every move I make, every sin-gle day, i know u know that song. why I they threated by us or something?

IS there an ogoni-english or eleme-english dictionary or at least something which one can go to to compare the two languages?

[quote author=Aloy+Emeka link=topic=548830.msg7117000#msg7117000 date=1289411876][size=14pt]2011: Don’t field women as presidential, governorship candidates.Group warns parties[/size]


Written by Adebayo Waheed
Friday, 05 November 2010


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The Muslim Rights Concern (MURIC) has warned political parties in the country against fielding women for the highest posts at both the presidential and governorship levels.


Here: Dr AbdulLateef Adegbite, Secretary General Supreme Council for Islamic Affairs (NSCIA) presents the best dressed award of MIMBAR Nursery and Primary school, Ibadan, to Young Abdur-Rahman Balogun, while his mother, Dr (Mrs) Morufat Balogun looks on recently during the award ceremony of the institution.

MURIC director, Dr, Is-haq Akintola, in a statementin Lagos said any political party that ignored this warning stood the risk of losing the votes of Muslims to other parties.

The group, while noting that preparations for the next year’s general election had begun, said  already new political parties were being formed and registered while aspirants were emerging across the country for the presidential, gubernatorial, the National Assembly as well as state Houses of Assembly, noting that already some Muslim women had emerged as aspirants.

According to MURIC, Islam permits Muslims to engage in politics, to vote and be voted for, to exercise their civic rights and to fulfill their civic responsibilities.

“All rulers, from the President of Nigeria to the chairmen of local government councils are proxies of Allah. Islam holds that leaders will be held accountable for their deeds and misdeeds on the Day of Judgment,” it said.

It, therefore, stated that Muslim politicians should play the game according to the dictates of Islam, not their whims and caprices.

It urged Muslim women not to shy away from politics, saying that female Muslim aspirants should pursue their legitimate and Islam-compliant dreams with vigour.

MURIC also called on the husbands of such aspirants to support their wives morally and financially.

However, it reminded them of an important proviso in their engagement in politics, namely, that “a Muslim woman is not permitted to aspire to be president of Nigeria or governor of a state”, adding that she was, however, free to contest for the posts of vice-president or deputy governor.

It said that the wrong impression must not be created that Muslim women are second class citizens.

It appealed to female Muslim aspirants who were eyeing the highest political posts in the country or in their states to reconsider their stands and respect their faith.

http://tribune.com.ng/index.php/islamic-news/13143-2011-dont-field-women-as-presidential-governorship-candidatesgroup-warns-parties[/quote]All of the women Yoruba, Hausa, Kanuri,etc. Should follow we Igbos the Biafra after the country disintegrates cause by the following statement above if you don't you have to chance in hell of becoming president or governor, you can dang sure forget about that. Ladies follow me.

It seems as though Wily+Wily has really got to you.

Asaba Igbo:

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Ukwuani Igbo:

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Way different from each other and understanding each other word for word in their on dialects highly unlikely!

Obiagu1:
@ chyz1

Sometimes one does not need any translator to understand other dialects perfectly. The words sometimes sound the same when spoken though may be different when spelt. In my town, they say "Ahinze" instead of "Arinze", so when someone says "ahinze chukwu", you'll actually think he said "arinze chukwu" with the meanings unchanged.

@omonuan,

mgba means woman in other Igboland but it's rarely used this days.

I agree. My argument was that Ukwuani Igbo is really different from the likes of Asaba or Igbuzo so every single word like claimed by omonuan will not be understood because some are completely alien to the other groups vocab plus tone is also a major factor.