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Culture / Re: Similarity Between Bini And Igbo by chyz1: 8:58am On Nov 10, 2010
omonuan:

Chyz1 you are wrong. I am from the enuani area close to the towns you mentioned and these are words that are common to say Issele people, Onitsha Ugbo, Idumuje, Ugbodu, Ukwunzu etc. They do not border Benin. Patrick Utomi is from Igbuzo. I know many Asaba  and Ogwashi people that go by Osamedua, Irabor, Ozabor, Edobor. The Enuani people do not need interpreter like say Anambra people for Ika and Ukwuani.  

I recently went home for a funeral where our inlaws from Agbor came and spoke in their dialect and we missed nothing. Except when they called my wife "mgba" which means wife in Ika but girlfriend in Enuani. I had forgotten this difference only to be reminded when I objected.  

When it came to prayers everyone spoke central Igbo. I have noticed that when it comes to prayer in Anioma, central Igbo is what is used-I guess God only understands central Igbo.  Even when they speak in "tongue," it is central Igbo all the way.

I have been to Abbi-Kwale for a cousin's wedding and my family needed no interpreter and Ukwuani people did not need one either. Osita Osadebe was from Atani considered by Anioma people as their kith & kin just like Onitsha.

You might have heard of "Nwa-ukoni" family in Ogwashi through Ogbogu Okonji's song of the same title. The progenitor of this family probably was born in the kitchen or close proximity thereof.

I don't believe the part of  you and whoever missing nothing in another areas dialect. Hence, thats why its called a dialect. We igbos know that we can never just come out of nowhere and understand every word in another dialectical area unless we have learned some of the dialect of that area. Also, didn't you say they speak in central igbo also so why would an interpreter be needed when you went to ukwuani? Also of course you will understand each other to an extent even if central igbo isn't used however, im sure english was also used to help with understanding.Just my thoughts though.
Culture / Re: Similarity Between Bini And Igbo by chyz1: 7:33am On Nov 10, 2010
omonuan:

These apply to all Anioma-Ika, Enuani & ukwuani.  Names like Obaigbena-Oba don't kill this one are common in both Bini & Anioma, Osadebe-Anioma Osadebewen-Bini means God keep this one.  Osamede-bini, Osamedua-Anioma God will make a way!; Osakwe-Anioma, Osakhue (pronounced Osakwe)-Bini; Utomi-Anioma, Utomwen-Bini= Longevity. Ukwuani-Ofito Bini-Ofito- Rabbit. Ododo-Anioma, Ododo-Bini=Red as in color.

It is imperative to mention that all Anioma dialects differ mostly in pronounciation but words are generally similar.  Intonation may also differ a bit.   Ika pronounciation is "nasal" and for Ukwuani accent is heavy but all Anioma dialects are very similar that one does not really need any interpretation in any of the dialects. If you speak one dialect, the others are intelligible. Music, Dances and diet are the same too! Ika and Enuani people relish their "akwa ocha" hand woven sparkling white cloth so much that you can't come from these places and not have a few of these. It is a must for Ika & Enuani ceremonies.

Osadebe is also common in the Eastern Igbo region. For instance, Chief Stephen Osita Osadebe, an Igbo musical Icon from Atani, Anambra state.

About the "akwa Ocha" you are definitely right lol. They definitely love it especially the Ika.

Alot of the words you've list perse looks like words of those igbos closer to Binis, which make them more of lone words based on approximity. So more than one word may be used for one thing. Many of those words would be foreign to an Asaba, Oqwashi-uku, or Igbuzo man being that they don't border the Binis. These anioma people more than likely understand Ukwuani or Ika similar to the degree as lets say someone from Anambra or Imo depending of the location of those from Imo or Anambra.

On the "Utomi" name, I have always wondered the meaning of it and where it originated from, thanks for the heads up. wink
Politics / Re: A New Vista Of War As Eleme Battle Ogoni by chyz1: 6:49am On Nov 10, 2010
Environer:

Do you know of an ethnic group called Ogori in Kogi state with just about 40 K people?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-59565.0.html

Yep I remember them. It seems as though if anything it may be a sub group of the Igala tribe. Ogori is a LGA so I mean come on. Its just like a lot of Ukwuanis call themselves that because their taking the name of the LGA as an ethnicity however the Ukwuanis are Igbos.
Politics / Re: A New Vista Of War As Eleme Battle Ogoni by chyz1: 6:38am On Nov 10, 2010
Environer:

Ekio is not same as Ekoi. They may be related but are different. Just like Igbo is related to Ibibio

My bad but im sure you get my drift?

Ekoi people, also known as Ejagham, are an ethnic group in the extreme southeast of Nigeria and extending eastward into Northern Cameroon. Ekoid Bantu languages are spoken by many groups, including the Atam, Boki, Mbembe, Ufia, and Yako. The Ekoi are related to the Efik, Annang and Ibibio people of southeastern Nigeria and have lived closely with them and also claim to have migrated from the Cameroon's to their area. The inhabitants of Kwa, located near Calabar, claim to be the first Ekoi people to have migrated from the Cameroon's. The Ekoi are best known for their Ekpe headdresses.[2]
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Politics / Re: A New Vista Of War As Eleme Battle Ogoni by chyz1: 6:32am On Nov 10, 2010
Environer:

How is Ekoi same as Ibibio even from your post? They are not. Ekois speak ejagham which is 100% different from Ibibio.

Reread it.
Politics / Re: A New Vista Of War As Eleme Battle Ogoni by chyz1: 6:28am On Nov 10, 2010
Environer:

Just to point a few and all from Wiki:

Berom
Spoken in Nigeria
Region Plateau State
Total speakers 300,000 (1993 SIL)

Ekoi (Cross River)
Total population
152,000[1]
Regions with significant populations
Nigeria 87,000[1]
Cameroon 65,000[1]


A 2007 report estimated the number of Kuteb people (Taraba) as approximately 100,000.


The Bolded proves my point. The Ekoi are Ibibios. it is just a clan/dialectical group under the Ibibio mother group. The separation was made as a divide tacted becausre of their roll in the Biafra war.


Ibibio:

Identification. The name "Ibibio" identifies the largest subdivision of people living in southeastern Nigeria, in Akwa Ibom State, and it is generally accepted and used for both ethnic and linguistic descriptions. Like their Igbo neighbors, the Ibibio people originally shared no common term that identified them as a whole. The name "Agbisherea" was first used by European explorers in the nineteenth century to describe Ibibio inhabitants, but apparently died out soon after. Some Igbo-speaking people refer to their Ibibio-speaking neighbors as "Mong"; others call them "Kwa."

Location. The Ibibio are located to the south and southeast of the Igbo, in southeastern Nigeria. This includes the former Calabar Province (the Itu Mbuzo subgroup is in the Bende Division), Owerri Province, and certain villages of the Obong. The Eastern Ibibio, or Ika, have attached their village groups to the Ndokki Igbo of Owerri.

Demography. The Ibibio numbered over two million in the 1963 census and fell into the following six major divisions: Riverain (Efik), Northern (Enyong), Southern, (Eket), Delta (Andoni-Ibeno), Western (Anang), and Eastern (Ibibio proper). These main groups are further divided into groups that are identifiable by geographical location.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G2-3458001495.html


Ibibio people [/b]are an ethnic group in southeastern Nigeria. They are closely related to the Anaang and the Efik peoples. "Ibibio" may also refer to those who speak the Ibibio language. During colonial period in Nigeria, the Ibibio Union was formed asking for recognition by the British as a sovereign state (Noah, 1988) [b]The Annangs, Efiks, Ekid, Oron and Ibeno share the same names, culture and tradition with the main stream Ibibios, they speak the main Ibibio language naturally and prior to present day Nigeria were regarded as sub Ibibio tribes. Understandably, these sub Ibibio tribes are now different tribes claiming no relationship exist with the Ibibios even there are very strong linguistic, cultural, traditional and historical relationships!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibibio_people


The Ekoi are related to the Efik, Annang and Ibibio people of southeastern Nigeria and have lived closely with them and also claim to have migrated from the Cameroon's to their area.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekoi_people
Politics / Re: Delta State Governor Sacked With Immediate Effect by chyz1: 6:01am On Nov 10, 2010
Why must elections hold WITHIN 90 days? That's to short of a period. It seems as though behind doors someone imay be getting set to be imposed by one of the ND heavy weights. I hope that's not the case.
Politics / Re: A New Vista Of War As Eleme Battle Ogoni by chyz1: 5:53am On Nov 10, 2010
Environer:

You think everyting is Igbo, Hausa-Fulani and Yoruba? There are ethnic groups in Nigeria that are far less. Try northern Cross River and Middle Belt. There are people with only a pop of 10 K to 50 K in those places there.

what im saying is that those little groups might actually belong to a larger group but were classified as something else either as a divide and rule tactic or they wanted to separate from the mother tribe and be alone. What are the tribes in cross river and middle belt that you are taking about?
Politics / Re: A New Vista Of War As Eleme Battle Ogoni by chyz1: 5:42am On Nov 10, 2010
Environer:

^^^^^
Ogoni will be like 500K plus while Eleme will be like 150-200K (or even less) but many people in Eleme are not indigenous peoples. There are thousands of Igbos and a good number of Yorubas and hausas there. In contrast, Ogoni is like 90-95% its people because there is less attraction there for an outsider especially since the oil companies stopped operations there after Saro Wiwa's execution by Abacha. There is so much poverty in Ogoniland it is unbelievable.

The numbers just dont add up. How can a tribe only be 150-200k? It seems as it these tribes along with others were separated from each other and called different names.
Culture / Re: Similarity Between Bini And Igbo by chyz1: 5:38am On Nov 10, 2010
omonuan:

Aku- Door in both Bini and Anioma Igbo

Bini-Ozuo Anioma-Ozuai Fool/foolish

Okuikui-Owl in both Anioma and Bini

Bini-Ukoni  Anioma-Ukoni Kitchen

Akpata kitchen shelf Anioma/Bini

Ize Protection in Anioma and Bini

Idumu-Neighborhood in Anioma/Bini

More later

Which places in Anioma because they all don't speak the same Igbo?
Politics / Re: A New Vista Of War As Eleme Battle Ogoni by chyz1: 5:06am On Nov 10, 2010
Dawgpound:

Eleme is Ogoni. Let's quit the BS.

I heard that Ogoni was only 500,000 in population. That seems kinda sketchy to me. Are there other groups who speak your same language and pretty much share the same culture but are called something other than Ogoni?
Politics / Re: Kidnappers Back In Aba by chyz1: 5:00am On Nov 10, 2010
EzeUche0:

On a side note, Afikpo Igbo is so hard to comprehend.

True.I like the way it sounds tho. Their culture is really colorful.
Politics / Re: Kidnappers Back In Aba by chyz1: 4:10am On Nov 10, 2010
EzeUche0:

Really? Anambra Igbos were strong? Thought Nri boys was preaching peace? Ebonyi Igbos are the weak Igbo clans that Ohafia and Abiriba used to practice their head-hunting techniques on.

Vigilante justice found its roots in Abia and spread to Anambra. Do not forget that.

So Afikpo, Ezza, and Ezillo are weak? Do you know that it is like afganistan in ebonyi state now to the point no reporters go there to report the war thats going on. And its been like that for a while. Send a group of Onitsha, Awka, and Nnewi boys down to Abia and see if they don't take it over.This kidnapping must stop.
Politics / Re: Kidnappers Back In Aba by chyz1: 4:04am On Nov 10, 2010
Dawgpound:

As strong as u Abians are how come kidnappers are living large in your domain then?

Gbam!
Politics / Re: Kidnappers Back In Aba by chyz1: 3:38am On Nov 10, 2010
EzeUche0:

What? Remember where Bakassi originated from? God's Own State. . .

Abia Igbos are actually the most warlike and strongest.


O I doubt that. You must not know about Anambra or Ebonyi. What are the bakassi boys doing now? Besides they were a mix of different Igbos.
Culture / Re: Similarity Between Bini And Igbo by chyz1: 3:13am On Nov 10, 2010
ChinenyeN:

Alright. Makes sense, Chyz. Thanks though.

Nsogbu odighi nwannem. wink
Politics / Re: Appeal Court Nullifies Gov. Uduaghan's Election by chyz1: 10:07pm On Nov 09, 2010
Justice has not prevailed. Why was he allowed to stay so long. Obviously he was not sacked because of injustice.It seems that someone of influence and power had a hand in this. I'm thinking Edwin clarke. It seems as if he his trying to put all of the Niger Delta under his or his people's control. GEJ,although im a supporter of him, seems to just be an ambition booster to Clarke. He is trying to install Sekibo as Rivers gov., Bayelsa is what it is, now Delta. We must keep our eyes open.
Politics / Re: Appeal Court Nullifies Gov. Uduaghan's Election by chyz1: 9:47pm On Nov 09, 2010
Event that lead up to the sack:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_EdWd6WZWs&feature=related[/flash]
Politics / Re: Appeal Court Nullifies Gov. Uduaghan's Election by chyz1: 9:33pm On Nov 09, 2010
So good people who do you think will be the new Delta State gov. in 2011?
Politics / Re: Kidnappers Back In Aba by chyz1: 8:28pm On Nov 09, 2010
marcdunu:

Osisi now has AK47s and General Purpose Machines he inherited from his apperentice under Ateke Tom and you are talking sending people to whip them up.

Terrorism is now spreading in the South and we need a strong leader who will call these terrorists bluff.

Please as is Mr.Wood is the only one with weapons.LOL. Look the people of that area of Abia seem to be weak.Since they are scared to are up and go after these guys or at least report the location of these people then maybe they need to get help from other Igbo from other areas, i.e. Anambra,Imo.
Politics / Re: Kidnappers Back In Aba by chyz1: 8:18pm On Nov 09, 2010
I don't get it. Is it that these group of igbos are weak or what? They don't know how to deal with these kidnappers/robbers? I think the best thing to do is send some Igbos from Anamba or Imo to that area of Abia state to whip those people up very well.
Culture / Re: Similarity Between Bini And Igbo by chyz1: 8:09pm On Nov 09, 2010
ChinenyeN:

I'm having a difficult time reconciling these numbers. According to this, Onicha is older than Aro. How could Eze Chima have been an 'Aro trader', if Aro hadn't been established until the late 17th/early 18th century? How did Arochukwu get its name anyway?

The Aro are a people,maybe a kingdom was established by the 17/18th century not sure;however, that being said Eze chima,as a Aro man migrating to the area of onicha is not far fetched. Onicha-Ado was established by Eze Chima along with other Igbos already there after he came back from Benin area.

Link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onitsha-Ado
Culture / Re: Complaints And Notice Thread. Be Serious! by chyz1: 6:47pm On Nov 09, 2010
Thanks. wink
Culture / Re: Delta Igbo, Bendel Igbo: What Does That Even Mean. by chyz1: 8:08pm On Nov 03, 2010
Information about the label "Ika":

Although earlier colonial documents have referred to the present Ika people as Ika speaking people (Marshall 1936, Whiting 1936, Simpson 1936, Denton 1937, and Stanfield 1936), the present Ika people have not always been the only group known by the name, Ika. Forde and Jones (1967) used the term Ika for a wider community, which included the present Ika group. Ika was used by Forde and Jones (1967) to represent the inland parts of the four groups that make up the western Igbo group (Aniocha, Oshimili, Ika and Ukwuani) found in present Delta State away from the shores of the river Niger. The remaining members of these groups that are on the shores of the river Niger i.e. Asaba, Aboh and others were referred to as Riverain Ibo (Forde and Jones 1967: 49-50). Within this Ika group the present Ika community was classified as Northern Ika along with Aniocha and Oshimili while the Ukwuani group was classified as Southern Ika (Forde and Jones 1967). However the origin and meaning of the name Ika and when only the present Ika community and their language began to be known and referred to by that name, which they retain until today

As has been stated above, there are eleven clans and a metropolis that make up the Ika collective group, which I refer to as the Ika community. Except for the Idumuesah clan the rest ten are today also referred to as kingdoms as they have the hereditary kingship traditional system. The kings are known and referred to by the title of Obi (king), however the king of Agbor clan has changed his title from Obi to Dien for reasons not clear to me at this time. The following are the eleven clans and a metropolis that make up the Ika community: Agbor clan, Owa clan, Abavo clan, Ute-Okpu clan, Ute-Ogbeje clan, Umunede clan, Akumazi clan, Igbodo clan, Otolokpo clan, Mbiri clan, Idumuesah clan, Orogodo/Boji-Boji.

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