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nationwide24: You call them heartless now but remember you said they are worthless. Another opportunity for JOHESU to prove they can do it in the absence of the "worthless ones". lol.

You dey mind that one? He's a 'heartful' non-doctor.

lakamua: wen u are tired of complaining go and force NMA to call of d strike. nigerians are rili selfish things and get what they deserve

Don't mind them. They are worse than the Egyptian task masters. It doesn't concern them whether the docs are happy or not once THEIR OWN health needs are met. 'Bamubamu ni mo yo' people. Some even see the allowance issue as 'unreasonable' in their own opinion. The doc should have asked for 'better equipments' for the hospitals. That's what concerns them, not the living standard or hostilities he's facing at work from his supposed 'team members'. That to me reeks of selfishness too.

victor08: [size=28pt]Useless Doctors...your mates are busy now working in developed countries,saving lives and adding value. All you people know is start demanding salary increase like street laborers. Stay at home! Hunger and Ebola go soon kill you people.

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Am not happy that you sent your brain on 'French' leave. You need to record the arrant nonsense you spewed up on a tape and play it over and over. Perhaps you might be able to find your bearing. Then, come back and yearn. No be this kain opata again ooo

@#5,000/hr for 5hrs daily times 21 working days=#525,000/mo. That's a good start! When the equipments are not there, isn't it just to refer to India? Oya bring it on o jare.

steppin: and how many non-believers of christ have been slayed?

You need not argue abt that. It's plain mischief if anyone even imagined that our Lord Jesus in that verse asked that people to be slain cos they did not want him to rule over them. It was a parable with proper quotation marks in the holy scripture. He is too loving who died for all to be saved. Of what significance will the death of few insolent people of that time and place be to the Master of the universe? Happy sunday to you and all yours.

Tobbie9: This Johesu guys r not serious, instead of them to prove that doctors r irrelevant now and end this once and for all they're busy sueing them to make them return 2 work though i support them not being paid 4 work not done.

I agree with you on that- drs are not consulting, pharmacists are nt dispensing cos of no prescriptions from docs, nurses have no patients to tend to, labs are on sit-at-work vacation. Virtually, none of these should be paid. Being 'ready' to work is not the same as working! Therefore pay only the admin staff.

jpphilips: How is the NMA strike affecting JOHESU who by virtue of politics have attained the highest medical toga "consultant"?
Are they indirectly telling us that the new consultants paid from tax payers money are useless because the absence of the old consultants have collapsed the health sector?
#just thinking aloud#

The obvious fact my friend is that nothing is happening in the hospitals. Nigerian public as 'gullible' as some people might have misconstrued them to be, know who to see for their health problems and are not really interested in unnecessary bickering going on in the sector though unfortunately, they are made to cough out more to access the facilities in private set-ups. I believe our comrade 'consultants' sorely miss the presence of the 'greedy' doctors, not to talk of helpless situations occasionally encountered when some unfortunate patients present to the 'consultants' on ground only to be told 'doctors are on strike'. Of course, such patients would be bewildered and disappointed given so much noise that has been made of the competence and capability of those who are touted to be 'working' at such facilities as we speak. Perhaps, this informs the antsy court-courting of JOE-HATES-U to 'force' doctors back to save their exposed rear. I bet you, when doctors resume, the greater part of the first set of months would be to salvage what can be salvaged of mismanaged cases arising from pharmacy consulting rooms dotting our cities and when unfortunately and inevitably you lose some, these same 'sharp-corners docs' would be the first to make noise to high heavens of how incompetent medical docs are! Head or tail, the patients lose regrettably.
I laugh when you see our 'registered union' comrades in health jostling to collect phone numbers of doctors so they can 'contact' them for 'personal consultation' and referral when the need arises. All these is insane I tell you.

drobadebayo: Sir,permit me to say that u hv impaired reasoning.how could u think like that

Hahahaha. That sounds like euphemism for mental retardation! Hahahaha. There is God o.

Dazzlee: And you are 'what' to decide whether my comment is sensible or not?

O ma se o (pity). Some in your elementary you were not taught when to use 'what' or 'who'? Well, life is a journey and learning continues. Use 'who' next time ok? You never know what that may save you from in time to come!

The simmering hatred for doctors have come to the surface with this baseless agitation over title. Unfortunately, our govt is playing the ostrich. Some say doctors are killing patients, now those same patients are left in your care now and what do we see, frenzied vituperations cos though not particularly informed as we say, Nigerians know who they need to see in the hospitals. Evrything is grounded just cos some 'killer' docs refused to show up at work. Isn't that instructional?
This talk about patients dying in Nigeria is laughable cos if patients don't die in USA, by now they suppose to be more populous than us. Pls, don't watch too much of these films cos it has a way of messing with one's reasoning if care is not taken.
Why so much hate? Haba! Someone wrote that there would be more revocation of Dr's licences but you know what, I was actually listening to 9ce at the time, funny ehn? 'If you dey wait for my downfall oo, u go dey there, u go die there.....' E lo sempe!!!

bigass: i love big dikcs.is your father endowed?

Hahahahahaha. You bad meeeehn!

creativeEngr: In other words, since other 'professionals' cut corners, doctors shouldn't be left out of the business of unethical practices that is killing society...

It's unfortunate the extent to which our society has deteriorated inspite of how 'everyone' believes in God. That said, there's nothing wrong with working extra hours regardless of your profession but when a substantial number of Doctors in the employ of Govt abandon their duty post during official work hours to attend to their private patients who obviously pay more, it's saddening to put it mild.. Except, we want to feign ignorance, this we know is the standard practice.... Tell me how health care in Govt hospitals can grow under these circumstance... Note that I haven't mentioned the art of diverting equipment, medicines, vaccines, etc from Govt hospitals... The decision makers who are also key players in NMA, JOHESU, etc are the same ones who force others on strike...

Yes, other professionals outside the medical field are also guilty where applicable but besides ASUU, others don't hold the country to ransom with frivolous demands... What is wrong is wrong... Perhaps, the only effective means to get their voices heard is strike action and as such, I wouldn't blame Doctors but what is ironic to a thinking mind is how the same profession that should save lives abandon their noble calling on a consistent basis over welfare demands, chieftancy titles SORRY, CONSULTANCY titles, etc while people are dying... Hmm, why should we worry about the state of public hospitals when God will always heal us 'miraculously' , only believe ...

Every society gets the leadership it deserves, ours inclusive. I rest my case

Yea, I want to join you in thanking God that heals us miraculously and besides, we have house of God and people of God who can also pray for us and miracles are free by the way. None has ever been turned back from seeking divine healing my friend.
Now you talk of doctors holding all to ransom, when PENGASSAN go on strikes, I don't believe any section of the public is exempted at such times of scarcity. Just as you have alternatives in black markets, private hospitals are one of the many alternatives in this time of doctors' medical-input scarcity. You see the demands as frivolous but someone said it earlier- what faces someone backs another and I want to leave it at that.
Substantial number of doctor see patients at their private facilities during working hours- how substantial? And how did you arrive at your conclusion? Besides, how did you know their working hours? You may not necessarily understand certain things except you are in the system and scheme of things. If you are so sure they were wrong in that sense, you could do all some good by getting them reported and seeing everything to a logical conclusion.
Yes, doctors swore to an oath. So? They should 'die' or 'suffocate' and be silent so long as he keeps 'saving' lives. To me I think that is a bit self-centred cos everybody gives his best when the working environment permits. We hammer oaths, just as doctor take oaths, so do our legislators, president, including you. The national pledge you recited could be viewed same way and yet, when that is flouted, are you saying it doesn't matter? I lost my dad months back with months of his pension running to years unpaid because someone sat on it, yet the labor of our heroes past shall never be in vain you shout daily! If Hippo were to be around in Nigeria of today, do you thing he would have come up with such lofty well meant oath? My friend, my 'noble calling' will not pick anything free or obtain free service from you and if the law sees it as within my right to use strike to press home my demand(s), well let's leave it at that cos 'ideal' is different from 'REALITY'.

chioma134: I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks.

That's maturity sister.

annoymous: You first. Naija doctors don't need customised plates. That is not on the list of things they request of the govt. That was a request by the NMA before the strike and it didn't go down well with most doctors. If doctors are fools, what does that make you?

I wanted to quote the scum before but then changed my mind cos he's not worth the effort.

lionelrobben: yes dis is true. sum mths back I had maleria. da docta no gree treat me. he said i should hand ova my BB. i tell am say no, na di only fon wey i get. he said he no fit treat me till i dash am all my female BBM contacts. diaris god ooo

This is very interesting. Hahahahahaha

armadeo: but you be Dr na, that barber suppose dey cut your hair free since you dey save lives. abi u never tell am?

Abeg, that one no be I'm problem o, he has wife and children to feed. He no fit go market by anything with my 'Dr'

saganuwa: as a doctor especially in pediatrics, your patients problems becomes yours. when they need blood, doctors donate, pay for drugs for families who are too poor and u call them selfish! wow.

You blame them? Some are under what you can call 'bandwagon' or 'mob' effect. Years back, theatre staff had told my CMD while he was operating a patient that I stood for pints of blood for the said patient and he smiled after which he said 'my boy, you will understand with time'. That I still remember till date. The patient refused paying and part of my first salary as an intern was deducted at source. I can't count the number of times patients absconded after begging and promising to pay if only you could help them out. For those in the know, that word 'selfish' had lost it's bite and potency. In my PGDMgt class, I was taught that even one great economist said society develops when people pay for what they consume. My barber has it written somewhere in his shop 'No credit today, come tomorrow'. This our mentality has to change.

creativeEngr: @DebateNigeria,

1. I feel the topic of your post is rather misinformed because from all comments I''ve read regarding the on-going strike, I am yet to see one that suggests Doctors are hated... We only dislike the attitude of Doctors but we don't blame them, it's really the fault of Government... you may wish to read my comments from another thread - https://www.nairaland.com/creativeengr/posts

2. The issue of Doctors is peculiar to Nigeria because Society has allowed you guys become so arrogant perhaps, due to the perception that becoming a Doctor isnt easy but which course is easy? Yes, it is more demanding, it takes longer, others are already employed while Doctors are still in school and bla bla bla . The last I checked, nobody is forced to study medicine and so if it takes longer or demands more, that has to do with the nature of the course and it's part of a noble sacrifice to our collective humanity... Can Doctors take the role of nurses, accountants, security, lawyers, engineers alone in society? We all need Doctors just as Doctors need us period!. this "I better pass my neighbour" mentality is also apparent in military men, lawyers to mention few.. for Doctors, this is part of what informs their regular strike actions but we can't blame them.. what should you expect in a society where a senator earns what 25 professors of medicine earn for doing literally and absolutely NOTHING... This is the root of the problems of Doctors...

Hey, I am not saying Doctors shouldn't be well paid but beyond take home pay or titles, what is the state of our hospitals?

Before you crush me by saying it's not the fault of Doctors, it's an open secret that substantial private hospitals are owned or run by Doctors, including consultants that acquired their expertise on the bill of Govt.. a close friend once told me how a CMD in a Govt. Teaching hospital advised him to always put aside extra cash to fly himself or his family abroad in the event of emergencies.. meanwhile, he owns at least 3 private clinics... who is fooling who? The Doctors, like top Military Generals or Phcn officials remain a major part of the problems faced in their respective sectors...

yes, we admit problems in the system but the solutions are deeper than what strike or getting Govt to pay more money can solve...

Hmmmm, I tire for most people. It's very laughable when I read comments like the doctors 'have and run private facilities'. Why don't you ppl check what the ethics of the profession says about doctors at their leisure hours? So, it's an offence to 'struggle' to make ends meet? It is even a thing of shame that rather than observe rest after tedious work in the hospitals, these overworked and underappreciated doctors have to strain to survive. In an ideal society, they even have enough savings for vacations. Medical practice is almost a curse in Nigeria! However, this double standard does not see anything wrong when a pharmacist opens a shop, a lab guy opens one and diverts so called consumables there to run the enterprise. What people see is the doctor. I don't think I should crucify a teacher who engages in lessons for students who can afford so as to shore-up fund for his survival. Are we not living witnesses to our pensioners dropping dead on the line for verification after verification? Is that the future to look forward to?

APContherun: To start with I dont think there's any law or statute that ties the word "Dr" exclusively to practitioners of medicine. The word is just a title ascribed to anyone who by virtue of an act or convention deserves it so it's wrong and silly of medical practitioners to claim exclusive right over it.

I need medical practitioners here to point me to any law that gives them exclusive use of the word "doctor" .

Why must everything be about arguments when google should be your friend? If you must know, there are places in the world where it is a crime to claim that title except you are a medical doctor, PhD irrespective. In Nigeria, you are free to call yourself anything since we are lawless. Night-soil-men can also be called Drs by Nigerian standard. Read comments here too and you will also learn from those who live outside the shores of Nigeria. Reading does not harm anyone abeg!

VantagePoint: Basic healthcare, like deliveries, should be free, I agree and some state governments are already taking steps towards thid.
However, standard healthcare is expensive (drugs, fluids, bed space, needles, syringes, plaster, gauze, cotton wool, sutures, antiseptics, and so on ). The average Nigerian patient DOESN'T pay AFTER services are rendered and these disposables are used on him to get better. Mind you, these things are not free but bought with money. They start pleading or refusing outright to pay.
Who runs at a loss?
At public hospitals where healthcare is free, patients get prompt attention.

To buttress your point about Nigerian mentality of not wanting to pay for services, an article few days back was about a man who engaged the services of a prostitute for longer than necessary. They agrees at an amount and he bluntly refused paying the poor gal after satisfying his sexual urge. Of course, it led to a brawl requiring police intervention. That may be seen by some as 'smartness' but to me it is wickedness and selfishness. That ha semblance to what obtains in out private and even govt hospitals.

sexyexcalibur: how much are they been paid.... Google something's out sometimes man.... Nigerian doctors are grossly underpaid compared to other countries..... the other health workers always use US as example.... in that country, docs are paid more than oil workers

You know Nigerians have suffered, their psyche battered that they seem not to even understand whatsup anymore. They are so used to crumbles thanks to unemployment, large families which promotes perenial poverty etc etc. They claim doctors are most paid, guess some of them would faint if they hear what engineers in oil coys and some individuals in corporate world even in this country earn monthly. Mtcheeew. How many of these docs can afford brand new cars without loans, send their kids to top schools and still float? Yet, in spite of all these, they are most vilified, disdained and ridiculed by the same people who need their services. I now see things differently

double0seven: See this my friend o
.....so do you have to study nuclear physics or chemical engineering before you know its not an easy subject.

Also you forgot that in secondary school we did physics chemistry, biology. Hence I know that medicine is not more difficult than Pharmacy. They are in the same range of difficulty. Whichever you choose is a matter if preference. And I believe the jamb cut should be equally or almost equally high (not sure about that one sha)

Medicine is a lot of biology and Pharmacy is a lot chemistry.

in fact I dare to say Pharmacy is more cerebral than medicine. Its just that medicine is so wide.... so many facts and knowledge to to learn..... very plentious....... that is the thing with medicine..... the details never ends......

........but its not brain power tasking as Pharmacy......

that's my two cents...... you can crucify me now......

Hahahaha, my friend. Ur analogy seems too elementary to me o. Anyway sha, we've dissipated too much energy on this and I think I need to grab a bowl of eba to recoup. As for crucifying u (lols), easy man, easy. Will never do that. What wud it profit to depopulate pharms/ pharm advocates. Besides, I hear u guys are short supply. Best regards friend

double0seven: This is really stupid. The guy is a Pharmacist. The last time I checked, Pharmacy is not a bread and butter course. You talk as if studying Pharmacy is in anyway easier than Medicine. I know for certain that it is not. It is a five year course. Medicine is 6 years. so what?

Not everyone wants to be a doctor. Are you saying everyone that studied Pharmacy did so because they couldn't make it into medicine?

Sorry, friend. It's just now I saw the stupidity. It takes a genius like u to see that jare. I guess u must have studied both and must surely be in a better position to know which is more rigorous or tedious. As for everyone wanting to study medicine, I did not say so, maybe the other flip of it could be the more appropriate- they ended up studying medicine as they could not make pharmacy or nursing. Ndooo, I feel u. Thanks

joker5180: i have always thought of this, most of them CAN NOT stand ALONE.

Yea. One has the bucks to oil the hands in Abuja but they also need the number to see them through though the 'addendum' may not contribute as such financially.

'Joe Hates U' Lols. Very funny. Nigerians always have a way of getting nerves calm whatever the situation! What an ingenuity. Seriously now, seeing the vehemence and deliberate attempt of Joe-Hates-Uites at mis-informing/ twisting issues to confuse the public, I want to believe these are coming from deep seated vendatta against physicians. Am also sure the door of medical school is not closed to all ;oe-Hates-Uites. In fact, with the vocabulary prowess of the PSN guy, it shouldn't take him at most three years to complete med school and all these postgraduate nonsense. Besides, Nigeria is a land of absurdities.

Dazzlee: And who are the vagabonds?

Kindly do a memory re-boot, think again and maybe then you'll realize that these bad managers called doctors are the vagabonds.

Can see you are truly lost according to your profile, perhaps to the hangover effect of that thing you are on. When you are done, come back and make a more sensible contribution.

TechRev: You are right in this you function without me. Cause what do you have to do with an engineer??
But you guys are killers!!!!

Who wins?? you guys or Bokoharam?? Doctors are The only group that increase their pay by killing and spilling innocent blood!!!

That is true jare. When oil workers go on strike and we are in scarcity, we have many horses in Lagos which we ride to take our pregnant and sick children to hospital. Oh! I forgot. Your vehicle uses water too which does not come in short supply.

alakid: Honestly, I have serious level of concern for the hypocrisy of Nigerians.
1. People say doctors are glorified 1st aid givers, yet when they go on strike, they say people are dying. How can people who hitherto could not save lives cause death?

2. The JOHESU wants to be seen on the same pedestal as doctors, they have been given a wonderful oportunity; its time for the Consultant JOHESU to rise up to the occasion, please see the patients, make diagnosis, request relevant investigations and treat appropriately including drugs, surgical or other modalities. SHOW US DOCTORS ARE USELESS

3. For those saying the doctors should have explored other means, can they please illustrate such other means and the results they yield?

4. Doctors have become politicians, doctors don't care about lives etc. That is what our antagonists have been saying, while in truth, what has been happening is we have been so sunk so deep in our books and patient care and woke up to find that we are fast becoming irrelevant and just exploited by others who want to do less and have more.

U spoke my mind exactly.

GogetterMD: The reason they asked for special plate numbers was as to enable them render emergency services anywhere anytime with minimal hitches, and that was even a suggestion, which was not part of the demands listed above. Get educated before jumping to conclusions

In fact as a doctor it makes you vulnerable to go about with such a number in order to help anybody. Not with the spate of kidnappings going on in this nation. You become soft target but you see, in their characteristic manner, some Nigerians would never appreciate that risk but would be quick to jump to conclusions.

Amhappy: I thought the doctor is like the team lead in a hospital. If that is the case,the leader carried everybody along including their support staff,well thats how its done in Engineering profession. How can doctors be demanding hazard allowance only for themselves when their support staff are exposed to the same hazards or even more?

Nobody walks with what you call the 'head' cos it's important but in a situation somebody somewhere thinks he can invert a triangle and expect same to be stable shows some measure of impairment and sadly that's what obtains in our health sector today. For your 'information', doctors are not asking for hazard allowance for 'themselves' as you might have been misinformed. It will interest you that all cadres of health workers collect same amount of that allowance which is paltry sum of #5,000 (five thousand naira). Besides, doctors are not duty-bound to negotiate for other workers as they all have their umbrella bodies. Isn't it funny that hazard allowance in some federal universities for their workers is #30,000? I guess they are more exposed to hazard than those in the hospitals.

TCD: can't the consultant lab technologists , pharmacists and radiographers take care of the patients? why all the noise

God bless you plenty for this all important question.

When JOHESU go on strike, they lock-up the theaters, consulting rooms, close the stores, use chains to barricade everywhere and stand guard to prevent the so maligned and misunderstood 'glorified' doctors from doing anything however little to assist patients. Now, doctors just refused to show up and it's like who is then left to work? That shows you something that patients come to hospitals to 'see doctors' and not our educated and 'hard-working' JOHESU.