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Muslims want us to believe Islam is a religion of peace, which is contrary to the reality. They also tell us the wars Muhammad fought were only for self-defence. This too is a blatant lie. The truth is that Islam was spread by force, if Islamic sources are anything to go by. A religion spread by force cannot be from the true God, who gave man free will.

Quran (8:39) And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah" 

Allah's instruction to Muhammad there was to fight the people till they accept Islam. How is that self-defence? Or how is that a religion founded on peace.

In line with the above verse, Muhammad himself said:
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally." Sahih Bukhari (8:387) -

What else does anyone who is sincere to himself/herself need to know that Islam is a religion of violence? Does that statement from Muhammad show he was being attacked and defending himself?


Sahih Muslim 4346
The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: If you come to a township (which has surrendered without a formal war) and stay therein, you have a share (that will be in the form of an award) in (the properties obtained from) it. If a township disobeys Allah and His Messenger (and actually fights against the Muslims) one-fifth of the booty seized therefrom is for Allah and His Apostle and the rest is for you.

....If you come to a township (which has surrendered without a formal war)...That connotes Muhammad was entering cities and forcing them to surrender or face a war. Even after surrendering, they forced them to have a share in their properties. How can any reasonable person claim he was fighting in self-defence or claim Islam is a religion of peace?

Then the apostle sent Khalid bin Walid… to the Banu al-Harith and ordered him to invite them to Islam three days before he attacked them. If they accepted then he was to accept it from them, and if they declined he was to fight them. So Khalid set out and came to them, and sent out riders in all directions inviting the people to Islam, saying, “If you accept Islam you will be safe.” So the men accepted Islam as they were invited. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 959)

No normal person can claim that mission was for a self-defence.

When the apostle raided a people he waited until the morning. If he heard a call to prayer he held back; if he did not hear it he attacked. We came to Khaybar by night, and the apostle passed the night there; and when morning came he did not hear the call to prayer, so he rode and we rode with him. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 757)

When Muhammad noticed there was not Islamic call to prayer in a place, he would attack them. How was that peaceful or a self-defence?

The case hereunder is very clear:

Allah's Messenger called Ali [and said]: “Proceed on and do not look about until Allah grants you victory,” and Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: “Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people?” Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: ”Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger …” (Sahih Muslim
5917 )

Muhammad told Ali the reason he was to fight and that was for the people to accept Islam.

Allah said Muhammad should fight the Jews and the Christians because of their unbelif in Islam.
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." 

As you can see, the only reason the Jews and Christians should be fought was because they didn't believe in Muhammad's Allah. Who is the God of Islam that had waisted and still waisting innocent people's lives?

Hmmm !!!

Don't the Muslims read these?

I tell you, Islam is a curse to the world.

The warning from people like former President Olusegun Obasanjo, former Chief of Army staff, rtd general TY Danjuma and a host of others about Buhari’s Islamisation and Fulanisation agenda is a little too late, I’m afraid.

Those warnings are as useless as a man warning his household about a supposed impending fire outbreak after the fire has already gutted their house.

Fact is, Buhari is currently not implementing any ethno-religious agenda. HE HAS SINCE FINISHED THE IMPLEMENTATION AND IS NOW CONSOLIDATING ON IT. And in fairness to him, he has never hidden the fact that he is an incurable ethno-religious hegemonist.

The only piece of information that will save Nigerians especially southerners and non-Fulani northerners now is HOW TO NEUTRALIZE THE ISLAMISATION AND FULANISATION OR AT LEAST SURVIVE THEM because they are here already.

When a President of a multi-ethnic, multi-religious and multi-cultural country like Nigeria is busy filling all his appointments with only people from his own region and religion, handing over the entire security agencies including the paramilitary to only people from his own region and religion, protecting Islamist terrorists from his own region and religion while sending python dance, armoured tanks and soldiers after unarmed peaceful agitators from other region and religion, DO YOU NEED SOMEONE TO TELL YOU THAT SUCH A PRESIDENT IS IMPLEMENTING AN ETHNO-RELIGIOUS AGENDA?? Especially when that President is one who has presided over the country in the past where he showed worst form of ethno-religious bigotry by throwing the vice President of the govt he overthrew, late Dr Alex Ekwueme, an Igbo Christian into Kirikiri maximum security prison while leaving the main President Shehu Shagari, a Fulani Muslim like himself in a comfortable apartment in the name of house arrest?

I think the problem is, most of us imagine Islamic Jihad to be some group of badly dressed desert dwellers riding on horsebacks while chanting “convert to Islam or be k*lled” the same way we imagine islamisation to mean a situation where everyone will be forced to start praying towards Mecca.

The world has changed and so has everything along with it. No one needs to force you to start going to the Mosque before you realize you have been islamised.

If your Executive, your Legislature and your Judiciary are all headed by people from a particular region and religion, If your security agencies and indeed all institutions of state coercion are virtually in the hands of only people from a particular region and religion, If your own lawmakers and political leaders who are Christians and Southerners all have to bend the knee and dress like those other people as we saw with Femi Gbajabiamila and Ibe Kachikwu recently, before they can get position they are qualified for, If a governor in an exclusively Christian state like Enugu had to start his inauguration for a 2nd term with a Jummat service in a Mosque just because he needed to pander to some interest, If you that is reading this have had course to contemplate changing your name to sound like that of those other people because you know an Islamic or Fulani sounding name will get you a job in NNPC and CBN while a Christian/southern sounding name will disqualify you for that same job, If a club house in the Capital city could be demolished for no just cause, if Muslim youths could attack a Catholic Church in Suleja, Niger state simply for worshipping on Friday with the police not prosecuting any of them, If a female pastor with Redeemed Christian Church, Eunice Elisha could be butchered right here in Abuja simply for preaching in a street housing a Mosque with the police releasing all the Muslim youths arrested without charge, If Fulani herdsmen could rape, maim and carry out ethnic cleansing with govt-sponsored impunity etc, IF ALL OR MOST OF THESE CONDITIONS APPLY, you are already islamized and Fulanised. If you don’t yet realise it, you soon will.

Buhari did not spend 12 solid years contesting to be President just so he could come and grow the economy, build road, provide infrastructure and security. Not at all. He spent all those years, cried all those tears and even went to church (Taqyya is allowed in Islam) just so he could get the chance to carry on with what his ancestor, Othman Danfodio started in 1804. Everything Buhari is doing today was planned many many years ago.

Today, the entire country is firmly in the hands of Fulani ethnic irredentists. If you are an Islamist terror group like Boko Haram once rated the deadliest terror group by the Global terrorist index, the govt will reward you with cash and re-integrate you into the National Army even while your group is yet to stop fighting, If you are a Fulani herdsmen once rated the 4th deadliest terror group, you can carry out ethnic cleansing and the govt will agree to “reward” you with 100billion (the chief Scribe of Miyetti Allah admitted they made the demand to the govt. Please check Punch 17th May 2019), the govt will also establish an AM radio station for you (AM can cover the entire country and beyond. Don’t forget) and of course, the govt will force all the media houses in the country to refer to you as “Bandits” instead of calling your real name each time you commit your usual crime of ethnic cleansing.

The bitter truth is, we are in trouble. A trouble caused solely by those who used lies and propaganda to gift Buhari the Presidency. The only solution I see here is for all the ethnic groups and Nations within the country to go back to their region and start raising an Army for self protection. Those talking of surrendering guns are playing a suicide game. This is not the time to remember how so so and so ethnic group betrayed your own ethnic group years ago. We are all facing a grave existential threat from these marauders. All our borders and villages are surrounded. No one group can confront or survive these guys alone. Nothing short of Southern collaboration will save us.

“The dead are already here”. Waiting for their Knight King to be officially inaugurated before they start work. The entire South and Northern minority must now close rank and save themselves or collapse under the weight of their own complacency.

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reccy:
Well done. With this now, I will say I'm lucky to be a Muslim. The more you talk about what you dont know the more my belief become stronger. Can you now rest?? Or you still want to lie?

You are making no point friend.

Where is the lie? Am I the writer of the Quran and hadith I cited?

If truth does not matter to you, you are to be pitied.

reccy:
How do you define sexual indecency?

Please note that Muhammad was not the first prophet in history. No other prophet indulged or told.to indulge in such reckless sexual activities. If you know of any, let me know.

Don't tell me David or Solomon, they were kings and not prophets and besides, God was not the cause of their sexual misbehaviours. The true God would never recommend to his prophet sexual.indecencies.

You know what? David took the wife of Uriah and God was displeased with him. Would the same God tell Muhammad to take the wife of his adopted son, Zynab under any circumstances? That is one of the reasons we know Allah is not the true God.

When Allah instructed Muhammad to take Zynab from Zaid, he left an instruction with it. He said Muslims can do the same thenceforth. But surprisingly, children adoption was.canceled, making Allah's word.that.other Muslims could marry the wife of their adopted.sons.of no effect. Why would Allah say something and still allow it to be cancelled? It is because it is a shameful thing that could not be sustained. That is not the character of the true God.

In that same Quran 33, Allah also said taking the wife of an adopted son was also.practiced by the people.of.old, but failed to mention the people. Nowhere had anybody among the people of old done such a disgusting thing. It is a lie.

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sorextee:
Let me spread my mat here.

One wonders the Muslims' motive to islamize the world. To take people to hell as Allah promised them?

Quran says all Muslims will go to hell first, and only on the Day of Resurrection some of them will be rescued and made to cross to heaven.

Quran 19:68-72
And, by thy Lord, verily We shall assemble them and the devils, then We shall bring them, crouching, around hell.
Then We shall pluck out from every sect whichever of them was most stubborn in rebellion to the Beneficent.
And surely We are Best Aware of those most worthy to be burned therein.
There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord.
Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there.


Quran 3:185] Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. Whoso is removed from the Fire and is made to enter paradise, he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion.

Since Islam offers Muslims hell, why must they drag everybody there? May God stop the Devil for us.

Brock1:
Who will folo u pray dis prayer?

Let Muslim go ahead to islamize nigeria, Muslim av been helpful to themselves, but on d other hand, Christians hardly help one another.. Poverty is increasing among Christians, u see most of our girls into runs[ashawo) all bcoz they want to make ends meet.

Our pastors acting Elijah in d Bible to collect wat is left from members, without giving miracle in return. They are now competing In buying private jet, Millions of young Christians without good means of livelihood.

Leah sharibu still with Boko Haram, do u mean God did not hear any of our pastors or churches prayer to set her free?

I pity Christians!

Hmmm !!!

It is no surprise. Jesus said when he comes back will he still find faith?

The Devil is trying as hard as he can not only to exterminate the Christians through Islam, he has also redirected their focus to worldly things. May God have mercy.

Yet, in all this, Jesus remains the only way to get to heaven through his salvation.

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Uyi168:
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Are u a Muslim?

No Muslim would write such a thing.

If you are not aware, Allah also permitted Muhammad, despite his many wives, to keep and.sleep with as MANY slaves as he possessed:
Quran (33:50) - "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war.

Sex,.sex, sex unlimited.

Uyi168:
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Are u a Christian??

We are talking Islam here.

reccy:
Why are you so interested in a religion that you are not following. Why don't you face your religion and let Muslim face theirs?
All this you vomit down and the remaining one you would vomit are the reason why I'm a Muslim.

Your opinion doesn't discourage me a bit.

You may remain a Muslim but the truth has been made known to you. The truth is: a Holy God couldn't be behind sexual indecencies.

Non-muslims accuse Islam for Muhammad marrying a baby girl, Aisha at the age of six. It was not Muhammad's fault, Allah instructed him to marry her.

"That the Prophet said to her, “You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). ‘This is your wife.’ When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, ‘If this is from Allah, it will be done.” {Bukhari :: Volume 5 :: Book 58 :: Hadith 235}".

The same Allah instructed him to marry his daughter in-law (Quran 33). It wasn't Muhammad's fault too.

Muhammad was able.to sleep with all his wives (eleven of them) in a night. Upon investigation on how a man could do that, it is discovered Muhammad was gifted by Allah to.sleep with up to 30 women a day. That was not also his fault, it was a gift from Allah as in:

Sahih Bukhari (5:268) - "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, 'Had the Prophet the strength for it?' Anas replied, 'We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty men.' "


Allah also promised the Muslims virgins in heaven. 72 for each Muslim. A.heaven or a hotel? You cannot blame Muslims for that, it is a reward from Allah.

Why is Allah so much interested in sex when he himself has no wife?

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BabyApple:
The command in this verse is that Muslims should fight only those disbelievers who come to fight against them. It was revealed during the time of prophet. It doesn't apply during our own time.

Some parts of allah's words do not apply to our time? Does that not show his world is not eternal?

Nothing in that verse says that Muslims should fight only disbelievers who came to them, that is your own opinion. Did they need Allah to tell them that they should fight those who attack them? Allah said they (Muslims) disliked fighting, was he saying they disliked defending themselves or they disliked jihad? Would Muslims dislike defending themselves? That shows it is not talking about disbelievers who came to them (self defence) but fighting the people on religious ground as no reasonable persons would dislike defending themselves.

Look at this again:

So do not falter and cry out for peace when ye (will be) the uppermost, and Allah is with you, and He will not grudge (the reward of) your action (Quran 47:35).

Here Allah told Muslims not to seek PEACE, especially when they are having upper hand. Does Islam still remain a religion of PEACE? Or does it mean it was not a religion of peace at Muhammad's time but a religion of peace now?

BabyApple:
whats your question

It shows you are not even following up your thread.

These are the questions again:

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike A THING WHICH IS GOOD FOR YOU, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Here, Allah said fighting is not only recommended for Muslims, it is also good for them.

Can the OP tell me:

(a) How Islam which expressly permits fighting and making it to look good is a religion of peace?

(b) How is fighting good for humanity as said by the Quran?

BabyApple:
Says who?

Answer my questions nau !!!

true2god:
Hey 'truthman', where have you been? it's been a while, welcome back bro!

Thank you my brother.

malvisguy212:
oh, my brother, truthman2012 , I miss you bro.

the op want to start what is bigger than his imam.

I.miss you too bro.

He has started what he cannot finish. He is no more talking. He must have now discovered Islam is full of questionable statements that nobody can defend.

true2god:
Is the Quran a clear book from Allah, without ambiguity? If yes, why do you need the hadith to interprete the Quran?

Hello bro.

.....truthman

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike A THING WHICH IS GOOD FOR YOU, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Here, Allah said fighting is not only recommended for Muslims, it is also good for them.

Can the OP tell me:

(a) How Islam which expressly permits fighting and making it to look good is a religion of peace?

(b) How is fighting good for humanity as said by the Quran?

malvisguy212:
the declaration made in that verse is an EVERLASTING COVENANT . so what you type here is irrelevant. If Muhammad is a descendant of lshmael, then he cannot be a descendant of Isaac at the same
time. In fact, this is in harmony with the fulfillment of
the promise to Abraham in Genesis 17:21.

Genesis 17:21: “However,
my covenant I shall
establish with Isaac, whom
Sarah will bear to you at
this appointed time next
year.”

Why was there only one alleged prophet from the line of ishmael? Guess who that lone prophet was? Yes, it was Muhammad a non-Israelite. The rest, Moses, Samuel, Nathan, Elijah, Elisha, Hosea, Amos, Isaiah, Jonah, Joel,Jesus and many others , were all
Israelites. All these prophets were descendants of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob just as it is sworn in Surah 29:27. Why did all these prophets come from the line of Isaac, with the exception of Muhammad who descended from Ishmael? Why was Ishmael’s name left out at the most significant moment when the Qur’an revealed the lineage of the prophethood? Did not Allah know that his greatest prophet would be
born through the lineage of Ishmael?

Weldone bro.

God expressly said He had covenant with Isaac alone. He had no covenant with Ishamel.

How would a prophet come from the lineage of Ishmael with whom God had no covenant?

True to God's word, all prophets came from the lineage of Isaac in the Bible, up to Jesus time.

What a religion

Bacteriologist:
Bye. I have no time to argue with ignorant religious zealots.

Bacteriologist:
Bullshit.

Abrahamic religions are namely: Judaism, Islam and Christianity. There are all similar to an extent.

You need to seek knowledge man.

I reiterate Abraham had no hand in Islam.

Even a hadith, an Islamic source, states that Abraham didn't follow Ishmael to Mecca to establish Islam. It says Abraham took them to a place devoid of inhabitants and left them there. Abraham was going away from them and when Haggai called on him, he was still going without looking back on the order of Allah. If Allah ordered him to leave Ishmael and his mother and not to look back, while Ishmael was still suckling, why would he defy Allah's order by going back to Ishmael to build Kaaba or establish Islam?


"... Ibrahim brought her (Hajrah) and her son, Ismail while she was suckling him, to a place near the
Kaaba under a tree on the spot of Zam-Zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Makkah, nor was there any water. So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. [/b]Ismail's mother followed him saying: "O Ibrahim! Where are you going,
leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy,
nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" [b]She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her.
Then she asked him: "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said: "Yes". She said: "Then He will not
neglect us." and she returned (to her child) while Ibrahim proceeded on his way.
On reaching the Thaniya (mountain) where they could not see him, Ibrahim faced the Kaaba, and raising
both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayer:

"O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Thy Sacred
House; in order, O our Lord, that they may establish regular Prayer: so fill the hearts of some among
men with love towards them, and feed them with fruits: so that they may give thanks." [Surah Ibrahim 14 :37]..." [Sahih Bukhari Book# 55, Hadith# 583]

malvisguy212:
nice one bro . long time

How nau bro.?

God bless you

Bacteriologist:
Rather than look for differences let's pick out the similarities of Abrahamics.

Did you read the OP thoroughly?

How can there be similarities when the Qur'an itself says what the Muslims worship is not the God of the Jews and Christians?

Bacteriologist:
Rather than look for differences let's pick out the similarities of Abrahamics.

Abraham had no hand in Islam. To associate Islam with Abraham is the deceit of the Devil.

The Bible tells us where Abraham lived and died. He didn't follow Ishmael to where he settled in Paran.

If Islam was established by Abraham, why would he not carry his other children from Sarah, his legitimate wife along?

We never heard the roles of Isaac and Jacob in Islamic activities in Mecca, not even Sarah herself. All we hear in Islam is Abraham, Ishmael and Haggai, and that is one-sided.

Please note that no prophets in Israel visited Mecca or talk about it. If Kaaba was truly built by Abraham, why would the prophets not go their to worship?

It was God that approved the sending out of Ishmael from Abraham's house. It would have amounted to disobedience for Abraham to still follow Ishmael to Mecca. If God had wanted them to live together, he wouldn't have allowed Ishmael to be sent away.

I have also posted these messages on my WhatsApp and shared to my contacts. I think you too will do well by doing the same. I like the message to go across the whole world. I believe it will help the Christians not to fall into trap. A number of ignorant Christians, who believe we worship the same God converted to Islam.

In fact, there is an Islamic group named ACADIP, going around, misinterpreting the Bible to confuse Christians who are not knowledgeable and converting them. It is a pity to go from light to darkness. The Bible says my people perish for lack of knowledge.

Please brothers and sister let us spread the messages through WhatsApp. God bless you as you do.

czarina:
Wow....insightful.

Thanks