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lanrexlan: Pictures or it never happened.You are the only one seeing that
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When Musa(pbuh) came to Firaun and his people with clear signs from Allah,they called Allah's signs obvious magic.Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Yunus 10:77 -Mûsa (Moses) said:Say you (this) about the truth when it has come to you? Is this magic? But the magicians will never be successful..
Are you calling the wonders of Allah magic ?
The magicians will never be successful.Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah An-Naml 27:13 -But when Our Ayât (proofs,evidences,verses,lessons,signs,revelations,etc.) came to them,clear to see,they said:This is a manifest magic.Allah wronged you not,but indeed you are one of the disbelieving folks and Allah never guides a disbeliever.

These writings on dogs. goat, meat, fish, tree, rock, tortoise and so on, to me and every knowledgeable person is an after thought, and manipulations can be inferred from those signs.

When Muhammad was asked to show a sign that he was sent by Allah, he could not provide any or rather allah did not send any.

[Sura 13:7]: And those who disbelieve say: Why has not a sign been sent down upon him from his Lord? You are only a warner and (there is) a guide for every people.

The above quranic statement makes us to know there was no sign available in Muhammad's time despite the fact that it was requested for, why now? An after thought or manipulation?

[Sura 17:59]: And nothing could have hindered Us that We should send signs except that the ancients rejected them; and We gave to Samood the she-camel-- a manifest sign-- but on her account they did injustice, and We do not send signs but to make (men) fear.

Again we see from there that signs were not sent at Muhammad's time because some people earlier rejected them, why the signs now? It is therefore clear that such writings on almost anything is a new development and it is possibly manipulative.

larrymoore: wot truth? Where is the truth taken from? The bible is just not it, I rather believe in modern Biology textbook.
The signs of Allah is just every where all over the world, America, Russia, Australia etc, some are as follows

You have the choice not to believe in the bible. But the truth is that it is the true word of God. It is only in Jesus you find miracles. No other name can produce miracles and that is why miracles are obtainable among Jesus followers alone, other names produce magic through charms.

No one with the Spirit of God hates the bible. It has been hated from ages past by God's enemies, so yours is not the first.

lanrexlan: Your ignorance is very pathetic,are you living in planet mars? Can't you see different signs of Allah throughout the world.

See these again.

1)A tree found in sydney facing directly the Qiblah.
2)Beehive formed the name of Allah
3)A cactus tree formed the name of Allah
4)A rock found in Sajadah(prostration) facing the Qiblah.
There are tens of them,Allah keeps showing you his signs yet you deny it.

It is not God making these demonic signs. It is the lying wonders the bible talks about.

Do you know a boy was born in Ede, Osun State with thunderstone in his hand. Thunderstone is one of Sango's properties. Was this sign from God? No. Yet it was a wonder, lying wonder.

Some years back, a documentary was shown on the NTA Lagos where I saw tortoise, about 15 of them, each with the inscription of the picture of a Japanees warlord. The fishermen who caught them in the sea got them recorded on video because it was a wonder. Could this be from God? No. Yet it was a wonder, lying wonder.

My friend, God is not a magician. He could not be the One behind such magics. May God open your spiritual eyes.

larrymoore: can u take this to the church, that is where u can find dogmatic mind like urs to preach to, I know what u don't know about Jesus, he is my prophet, take it or leave it. I am an eskimo, u can't sell me a snow. Mr! Stop quoting me, u are derailing my thread, I hardly create one but on occasion like this, I can't hold back. Pack ur thing off this handler 'larrymoore' and dash into church to preach ur COMMON gospel. This is a 'G' that knows where true salvation lies.

I'm happy you could not deny the truth I have stated. Failing to accept the truth places one on risk of eternal damnation. May God have mercy on you.

Before I go I need to tell you that it is only in South West of Nigeria you see such writings here and there. Is allah's signs meant for the Yorubas alone? What of the other parts of the world? That should tell you something is wrong somewhere.

golpen: I would have posted it in your section if I ever asked for an argument with this thread. I have stated my aim in one of my earlier posts and I think those who know how to get it, got it right. I'm not even the one opposing it right now, but a sect of your christian religion is, so I don't deserve the aggression. You have them as your neighbours and you can choose to talk it out with them.

I'm not ready to argue with you on ileya because its none of your business, you only just want to quench your thirst for arguments and like I said, I'm not up for such.

Thank God you didn't run as advised.

I wonder too what your business is with chrismas. If your reason for the thread is not subjective, why didn't you post it in a section where the people concerned would learn?

I put it to you that 'ileya' was not instituted by God as it was not practiced by Abraham and not done anywhere before Muhammad. It has no Godly source.

lanrexlan: Repeating the same thing,bro golpen run ooo

Run for the truth? What an advice.

lanrexlan: Allah says in the glorious Quran in Surah Fussilat 41:53 -We will show them Our Signs in the universe,and in their ownselves,until it becomes manifest to them that this (the Quran) is the truth.Is it not sufficient in regard to your Lord that He is a Witness over all things?.Allah keeps on showing you his signs and yet,you deny his worship.
How does those planned miracles and healing that are done in churches only and not in hospitals where people are dying beneficial to mankind?

See another miracle of Allah

Did I hear you say miracles are planned and take place only in churches?

Are you denying the existence of miracles?

Miracles are not new developments in the world. To say there is no more miracle in today's world is to say there is no more God in the world.

Whatever God does in our world is supernatural - miracle (what no human can do). But He would not come down to do anything by Himself, He uses human - His children (call it His servants if you like).

God is not involved in what man is capable of doing. He cannot compete with man. He specializes in what is impossible to man. God would not come down to write on rock, tree, egg, meat, bridge etc because this is not more than what man can do. A demon can also do it.

The proof of a servant of God is the ability to do miracles because whatever God does through him must be miraculous. Even in this world, an agent has the power to do what the principal empowers him to do. In the same vein, God's agent or representative has the power to do what God empowers him to do.

The Gospel is imcomplete without miracle. It is an integral part of it:

Jesus said ''And as ye go, PREACH (gospel), saying the kingdom of heaven is at hand. HEAL the sick, CLEANSE the lepers, RAISE the dead, CAST out devils: freely ye have received (the power), freely give (Matthew 10:. So miracle is part of the gospel.

If a person claims to be sent by God and lacks the ability to demonstrate God's miracle power, such a person is not from God. The first sign of a man sent by God is the power to do the supernatural, otherwise he is as ordinary as any other man.

The reason miracles happened in churches is because the receivers go to God for them. A receiver must make up his mind to receive it through faith. Miracle is not forced on people, you must go to God and ask for it.

Those in the hospital did not go to God for miracles. Even if they are supernaturally healed, they can give the glory to the doctors. God will not share His glory with man. There are Christians who go to hospital for evangelism. Those patients who believe and accept Jesus get healed but not every patient. Jesus said ''be it unto you according to you faith''. Anyone who doubts God healing power through Jesus cannot be healed.

Thank you.

larrymoore: let wait and see what happens on that day,the end justifies the means.

Any need to wait for the last Day? Has allah not made it clear in the quran and Muhammad in the hadith what the end of all muslims will be?

golpen: Thank God you agree it's not too pretty to celebrate ones bday on a wrong date. I think we're just on the remaining.

I didn't say sharing gifts is satanic. You asked for similarities between how they celebrated and worshipped their gods then and christmas now and part of it is sharing gifts, which was intentionally added to christmas in other to blend up. Imagine, sharing gifts is not a core part last supper, then why christmas?

Muslims kill those rams as directed by God (the lord of the worlds) in imitation of prophet Abraham (as you xtians also agree that he's an epitome of faith). We share the meat amonsgt ourselves and not to any god, all because HE ordered it and ewe have a proof for it. What is the proof for christmas in christianity? It is a fabrication.

Please make your findings about the word. You don't need to be told everything. Get out of the ring.

Gift giving at christmas is an imitation of the pagan ways and for that it is falsehood. Thanks.

I'm tired of unending arguments please.

I never told you I agreed that birthday cannot be celebrated on a day generally agreed by the people. The beauty of christianity is that the christians are in constant contact with Jesus. He hears us and we hear him. If he is displeased with the way we do christmas, he would have told us.

I still cannot understand why you keep saying the good act of giving gifts originated from the pagans. Even Jesus is a gift by God to the world and he gave himself to the world. By your claim, you are saying paganism is good.

Abraham never celebrated ''Ileya'' in his lifetime as muslims do. No record of such festival in the land of Istrael and Abraham was not an Arabian. He lived and died in Istrael. Where was he celebrating it? 'Ileya' is a lie fabricated against Abraham.

You asked for argument by your thread and I wonder why you get tired so soon. You should not oppose some people doings and not ready for defence, which you call argument.

larrymoore: you are still on the confused side, I ve nothing to say to u.

I do not expect you to say anything against the truth as saying anything contrary to the truth is falsehood.

golpen: So celebrating a birthday you don't even know when, is your only way of appreciating Jesus? Do you even know the meaning of the word 'mas' that is the suffix in 'christmas'? Maybe you should find out.



Would you have been happy if you found out that by your parents' consensus, your birthday till now have been celebrated on a wrong date? Especially on a day affiliated with idol worship. My brother, if it is enough, there are some other things that made it even worse.



I didn't link it, the pope did. The papalcy which some of your fellow pentecosts and anglicans detest. And to your question, in fact, there are just some acts that are the same between both. Like sharing gifts is a core part of the idol celebration then, please read the OPs.

How do eating and drinking, giving gifts and praising Jesus amount to worship of idol?



Answer above...thanks.

I put it to you that giving gifts at chrismas is not an act of idol worship in any way. Gift giving is Godly and not satanic.

Besides, when muslims kill rams and share them as gifts to their fellows or anyone, is that an act of idol worship?

''Mars'' is the Sun god not ''Mas''. Do you confuse them with each other? Mars is 'worshiped' but Chrismas is not a worship but a celebration. We don't worship chrismas, we celebrate it appreciating the Lord Jesus. I believe you know the difference between worship and celebration.

People offer sacrifices to idols (call it gifts if you like). But at chrismas, christians give gifts to their fellow humans, a demonstration of love.

Now is gifts giving to fellow humans at chrismas and offering sacrifice to idol(s) the same? Are the humans given gifts the idols?

Are you guys not tired of this type of thing? Is writing on almost everything allah's way of preaching islam? God's power is demonstrated by healing the sick, delivering the demonic oppressed and supernatural occurrence occassioned by prayers for the benefit of humanity. How do writings here and there a benefit to mankind?

Mintayo: They will never answer that question,and if they will,it will never be sincerely,like the poster above me...lolz.
I don't know how its possible someone to be born without having a 'Father'.

Thanks.

If anyone does not know the Father of Jesus he does not know the true God.

harbiola1: He had no father.

In many passages of the bible Jesus was saying my Father, who was he referring to?

F00028: where?


Jesus the Christ, the Son of Mary revealed no such thing.


who told you that? definitely not Jesus Christ.


show me



"Let the reader contrast the true Christian standard with that of Paul and he will see the terrible betrayal of all that the Master taught.... For the surest way to betray a great Teacher is to misrepresent his message.... That is what Paul and his followers did, and because the Church has followed Paul in his error it has failed lamentably to redeem the world.... The teachings given by the blessed Master Christ, which the disciples John and Peter and James, the brother of the Master, tried in vain to defend and preserve intact were as utterly opposed to the Pauline Gospel as the light is opposed to the darkness."
-Rev. V.A. Holmes-Gore: Christ or Paul?


"The attitude which Paul himself takes up towards the Gospel of Jesus is that he does not repeat it in the words of Jesus, and does not appeal to its authority.... The fateful thing is that the Greek, the Catholic, and the Protestant theologies all contain the Gospel of Paul in a form which does not continue the Gospel of Jesus, but displaces it."
-The Quest for the Historical Jesus, Albert
Schweitzer


“Paul, the founder of Christianity, the writer of half the NT, almost never quotes Jesus in his letters and writings."
-“The World Religions”, p 330


"Paul's words are not the Words of God. They are the words of Paul- a vast difference."
-Bishop John S. Spong, Episcopal Bishop of Newark. (Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism, p. 104, Harper San Francisco, 1991)

.......''Jesus the Son of Mary'' In what culture is a man addressed by his mother's name? Who is the father of Jesus?

The lady deserves to be pitied rather than being celebrated.

Jesus said you shall the truth and the truth shall set you free. She reading the bible and getting confused shows she did not understand what she was reading.

What she needed to do was ask questions. I have read both books. I wonder how she would get confused with the bible and get cleared with the quran. Which is more explanatory? She must have other reasons for her conversion, which she could not disclose. It is no news anyway.

@ golpen

It is true Jesus didn't tell us to celebrate his birthday. It is not compulsory somebody orders his people to celebrate his birthday before they do it after him. We do it to appreciate him, not out of command.

It also could be true that he was not born in december 25. This is not enough to condemn celebration of chrismas. It is nothing wrong choosing a day by general consensus to celebrate him. I have these questions for you:

You linked christmas celebration to worship of idol. How was that idol worshiped and how is chrismas celebrated?
Is it the same?

How do eating and drinking, giving gifts and praising Jesus amount to worship of idol?

The problem of the church today is that of expansion, especially that of the Redeemed. Many parishes are established and somebody has to be in-charge. So often times half-baked pastors head the parish. Otherwise how would a trained pastor not know the difference?

Heaven is for the few serious ones. Anybody can cross from one religion to another but Jesus is the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE, nobody can get to God but by Him alone

This is against the backdrop of the belief in a religion that Abraham and Ishmael were the builders of a house of worship in Arabia. This claim is untrue going by the following:

Genesis 21:12
And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad (Ishmael) and because of thy bondwoman (Hagar) in all that Sarah hath said unto thee (Abraham), hearken unto her voice; FOR IN ISAAC SHALL THY SEED BE CALLED.

God told Abraham that he should not grieve because Ishmael was to be excommunicated from his family. ''In Isaac shall thy seed be called'' means Ishmael was no more recorgnized as Abraham's son.

Genesis 22:1-2
And it came to pass after these things that God did tempt Abraham and said unto him, Abraham and he said Behold here I am.

And he said Take now thy son, THINE ONLY SON ISAAC, whom thou lovest and get thee into the land of Moriah and offer him for a burnt offering upon one of the montains which I will tell thee of.

''Thine only son Isaac'' shows Ishmael was no more counted as Abraham's son.

1. Now how could Abraham have returned to Ishmael after God had pronounced he was not a son recorgnized by Him (God)?

2. How could God after declaring He no more recorgnised Ishmael as Abraham's son again require them (Abraham and Ishmael) to build a house for Him?

Genesis 17:18
And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!

God responded as follows:

Genesis 17:
19. And God said Sarah thy wife shall bear a son indeed and thou shall call his name Isaac and I WILL ESTABLISH MY COVENANT WITH HIM FOR AN EVERLASTING COVENANT and with his seed after him.

20. And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee (Abraham's prayer): Behold I have blessed him and I will make him fruitful and I will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget and I will make him a great nation.

21. BUT my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.

God said He would bless Ishmael greatly BUT that was all. He repeated ''BUT my COVENANT will I establish with Isaac for an everlasting covenant.

How therefore would God leave Isaac with whom He had an EVERLASTING COVENANT and build His house with the excommunicated Ishmael?

In conclusion, it would have amounted to disobedience if Abraham reunited with Ishmael after God has sanctioned his excommunication.

God could not have built a house with an excommunicated Ishmael instead of Isaac with whom He had covenant.

The house built in Arabia was the handwork of the pagans and was built to house their various idols, which was highjacked by the Muhammadians.

The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
Qur'an 24:2

allah did not make any distinction in the punishment of both fornication and adultery. As it affects the woman so is the man.

Do muslims have the liberty to twist allah's words as it pleases them?

I got all your explanations clearly but the point remains they pose more questions

1[/b]. I don't think there is need for anyone to give a different explanation for or interpret any statement that is unambiguous in meaning. Anybody who commits sin of fornication should be given 100 lashes. Simple. How do lashes resemble stoning? I am sure it is not all those who were given 100 stripes that died in the process, why not give the lady the exact punishment she deserved?


[b]2[/b]. True, death is not an end of relationship with God but on the Day of Judgment there is no more room for forgiveness. If there is, everybody will go to heaven. Any religion that teaches repentance and forgiveness after death is deception as there is no such things.

[b]3. Remember Allah does not have mercy or compassion for a sin of fornication, meaning there is no forgiveness for it. By implication, you either get 100 stripes or go to hell. Then the unanswered question: if a muslim committed fornication and did not get the stripes as is the case with many, what hope of heaven does that person have?

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YUSUFALI: If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful

4[/b]. "If they repent and amend, Leave them alone". The woman repented genuinely according to Muhammad, why was she not left alone?

[b]5.[b][/b] How do you determine the repentance and amend of somebody caught in the very act?

I got all your explanations clearly but the point remains they pose more questions

1. I don't think there is need for anyone to give a different explanation for or interpret any statement that is unambiguous in meaning. Anybody who commits sin of fornication should be given 100 lashes. Simple. How do lashes resemble stoning? I am sure it is not all those who were given 100 stripes that died in the process, why not give the lady the exact punishment she deserved?


2. True, death is not an end of relationship with God but on the Day of Judgment there is no more room for forgiveness. If there is, everybody will go to heaven. Any religion that teaches repentance and forgiveness after death is deception as there is no such things.

3. Remember allah does not have mercy or compassion for a sin of fornication, meaning there is no forgiveness for it. By implication, you either get 100 stripes or go to hell. Then the unanswered question: if a muslim committed fornication and did not get the stripes as is the case with many, what hope of heaven does that person have?

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YUSUFALI: If two men among you are guilty of lewdness, punish them both. If they repent and amend, Leave them alone; for Allah is Oft-returning, Most Merciful

4. "If they repent and amend, Leave them alone". The woman repented genuinely according to Muhammad, why was she not left alone?

5. How do you determine the repentance and amend of somebody caught in the very act?

Sorry RoyPCain, your assertions are not only incorrect but unacceptable as well.

Firstly, true, the woman asked for punishment of her sin but she did not ask for death because she must have been aware of the type of punishment for the type of sin she committed. She must have been waiting to be flogged:

The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.
Qur'an 24:2

Why was she killed instead of being beaten?

Secondly, sin of fornication according to allah does not deserve mercy. Made public or secret. "Let not compassion move you in their case". There is no forgiveness for such a sin even if made secret to man, allah will surely punish it, probably in Hell.

[b]I repeat, what hope of heaven do muslims who have ONCE committed fornication have, taking into consideration that allah does not have compassion for such a sin?b]

If allah is so merciful as you have tried to make people believe, why was Muhammad not punished by allah for killing the woman despite her repentance?

Buraidah said: "A woman of Ghamid came to the Prophet and said: "I have committed fornication", He said: "Go back". She returned and on the next day she came to him again, and said: "Perhaps you want to send me back as you did to Maiz b. Malik. I swear by Allah, I am pregnant." He said to her: "Go back". She then returned and came to him the next day. He said to her: "Go back until you give birth to the child." She then returned. When she gave birth to the child she brought the child to him, and said: "Here it is! I have given birth to it." He said: "Go back, and suckle him until you wean him." When she had weaned him, she brought him to him with something in his hand which he was eating. The boy was then given to a certain man of the Muslims and he (the prophet) commanded regarding her. So a pit was dug for her, and he gave orders about her and she was stoned to death. Khalid was one of those who were throwing stones at her. He threw a stone at her. When a drop of blood fell on his cheek, he abused her. The prophet said to him: "Gently, Khalid. By Him in Whose hand my soul is, she has repented to such an extent that if one who wrongfully takes an extra tax were to repent to a like extent, he would be forgiven". Then giving command regarding her, prayed over her and she was buried." Hadith of Abu Dawud, #4428

It is clear from the above that a woman who committed sin was killed despite genuine repentance. That shows repentance is not a guarantee for forgiveness of sin in Islam.

Since repentance is not a sure requirement for forgiveness, what hope do muslims have to go to heaven as no unforgiven sinner will be allowed in?

Are muslims not gambling with their eternal lives?

It is a pity. Heavens do not recorgnise religion. Religion is only an identity for those who have the same faith.

No wonder Jesus didn't name any religion. None of God's true prophets proclaimed any religion. It does not take anybody to heaven. What takes people to heaven is knowing God through Jesus. Jesus is the only way to heaven.

Yes, Christianity is dwindling in number. You haven't seen anything yet. Jesus said ''when I come back will I find faith on earth''?

Heaven is meant for a few people. Narrow is the way that leads there. Broad is the way that leads to Hell, the population is on daily increase. Jesus said the heavens rejoice if a person repents. For just ONE person who escape Hell. Heaven is not for the majority.

Jesus is not interested in quantity but quality. The Disciples were once up to seventy in number but reduced to twelve in one day. Jesus turned to the remaining twelve and asked them if they would not go away too. He was not interested in population.

golpen: Our dear cleanvessel

I know you don't mean to put that on my face by your words anyway, but do I have a choice?

Imagine you're streamlining being brothers to maternal alone, in your own sensibility. You condition is indeed pitiable. Smh.

You are only being stubborn in your christian way. I'll just pray GOD in HIS infinite mercy helps you.

Tell me, why was Muhammad falling down, sweating, snoring like a camel and bearing allah's revelations with a great trouble?

By that alone, do you still need to be told that it was not the God of Isaac who appointed Muhammad because He (God) had no covenant of prophethood with his forefather, Ishmael?

I'm sure you have got the message but only pretending. The message must have been so clear to a primary school pulpil, reading this long.

Thank you for your time.

@ golpen

'Brothers' means male children born in the same mother lineage, not male children from a different country with a different mother. Your interpretation of a 'brother' is not acceptable to any reasonable person. You coined it to suit your argument.

I put it to you again that there is no similarity between Moses and Muhammad. See the difference:

They were not spoken to by the same God. God of Moses has a way of speaking. When He spoke to Moses, he would not fall on ground unconscious. At times Moses would talk to God in reply.

When allah spoke to Muhammad, he would fall down unconscious, sweating. I have told you severally the 'Strongman' who deals with his servants that way. If you say it was God, show me an example of other prophets God dealt with in that way.

Since their manner of receiving revelations was not the same, the similarities you mentioned are cooked -up, fashioned to create legitimacy for Muhammad.

@ golpen

You have no choice but to agree to the truth that God's COVENANT with Isaac was that of PROPHETHOOD because, aside that the Bible said it, even the Quran confirms it. But do you also see it there that the COVENANT of PROPHETHOOD is EVERLASTING and cannot be transferred to Ishmael or his generation? Where was it transferred to Ishmael? God would not break His COVENANT.

Was Jesus not their BROTHER? What is your definition of a BROTHER? If Jesus who came from their mother side was not their BROTHER, how Muhammad who came from the father's side would be one? Muhammad was not their COMPLETE BROTHER but HALF-BROTHER but Jesus was.


There is absolutely no SIMILARITY between Moses and Muhammad. Moses did not bear God's revelations with great TROUBLE, no FALLING DOWN UNCONSCIOUS, no SWEATING profusely like Muhammad did. No other prophets of God experienced the case of Muhammad. Where is the SIMILARITY? Pure delusion.

golpen: Dragging issues on this topic is like going through an endless journey. No one is asking you to believe that his advent was prophesied in the bible and that is not the basis of why I am a muslim. I definitely wasn't expecting you to agree with the link.

But the confidence you pose when giving your flimsy analysis may be highly commendable by an ignorant fellow rather, it is laughable to the sensible. When it was promised in deut 18:18 that a prophet is to be sent from the isrealites brethren, so from where else would the prophet be from.

A prophet like like unto moses, and how is jesus like moses? Of course it could jump jesus A S to muhammed S A W, because moses' prophecy doesn't cancel that of jesus. Prophecies have been heard of a black president in america and he didn't come until very lately after some other whites have been president. Let's just lay it to rest, may ALLAH illuminate yours and other reader's heart to the truth.

You have made no valid points there and besides, I noticed you are silent on my other salient points but you just said something to make people believe you are not short of words:

1. We are talking of spiritual things you are talking of an American president prophecised by a carnal man. How relevant? Your rating has seriously dropped.

2. You have seen from the Bible and Quran (Gen. 17:19, Quran 29:27) that only Isaac and his descendants had unending COVENANT of PROPHETHOOD with God,Ishmael didn't. Therefore no true prophet could come from Ishmael's generations as far as the true God is concerned. Muhammad, being a descent of Ishmael could not have been appointed by the true God.

3. No prophecy from God could come for Muhammad in the Bible and it is not there and it cannot be there. It was not in the plan of God to appoint a prophet outside the lineage of Isaac. In reality, all other prophets came from Isaac's descent as planned by God except Muhammad. By now you must have seen the truth but indulge yourself in self-deception. May God deliver you from the power of falsehood.

@ golpen

The link you gave is the write-up of a person who is so much ignorant of the Bible.

I wonder when you people will stop self-deception. All the matters talked about in the link have been treated many times on this site. You keep repeating the same thing wrongly.

True, Ishmael had a promise by God to make him great. You can see the Arabs are truly great nations in terms of wealth. That has nothing to do with prophethood. You may want to know that Ishmael was not the child God promised Abraham. He came to life through the bondswoman due to Abraham's impatience to wait for God's promise.

Genesis 17
19. And God said , Sarah thy wife shall bear a son indeed and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my COVENANT with him for an EVERLASTING COVENANT, and with his SEED after him.

20. And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee (i.e Abraham's prayer): Behold I have blessed him, and I will make him fruitful, and I will multiply him exceedingly, twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

As you can see above, God's covenant for Isaac and his Seed is EVERLASTING. It cannot be shared by or transferred to Ishmael. Ishmael was not the child God promised Abraham and he had no COVENANT for him or his descendants to be a prophet but a PROMISE for blessing.

Since God had no covanant with Ishmael, how would God sent a prophet through his descendant? That should tell a reasonable person that Muhammad had no prophecy in the Bible.

A prophet like unto Moses is not Muhammad as explained above. Besides, Muhammad was not the expected prophet, it was Jesus. The prophecy of a prophet like Moses came long before Jesus was born. How could the prophecy jump the coming of Jesus to the coming Muhammad who came much later? So much ignorance exhibited by the writer in that link.

Was Muhammad Ghost or man? How could a man be called invisible Holy Ghost? This is more serious than ignorance. It is an established fact that Muhammad's parents were devotees of Jinn-devil religion. They were Satan worshipers. If somebody has his senses in good order, he shouldn't think such parents would give birth to the Holy Ghost. Holy Ghost coming from Satan's servant? Never.

The writer is deceived to deceive. MUHAMMAD IS NOT IN THE BIBLE AND CANNOT BE IN THE BIBLE.