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Ok there are moral and ceremonial laws in the bible.
What's immoral about a woman teaching in the church? We agree it is one the ceremonial laws that's based on culture.

Thank you.

You just helped me make my point.

As for your other points, at the risk of sounding like I'm insulting you, I will say that is naive. No offense.

Does everyone woman want a man she can look up to? Goodluck answering that with facts.

Do you believe temperaments and personality override any societal norm of intimate relationship dynamics? I believe so.

Which is why I believe that even a woman who claims to not buy into feminism can be the one wearing the pants in her relationship because she happens to be the one who's more aggressive (for want of a better word) than her partner.

I for one I'm an example of a lady who always has a strong opinion but would let things slide for peace to reign in any place I find myself Especially with my friends and my family.
Does it mean I'm doing it because I'm a woman and that's what God wants me to do? Nope.
If anyone tries to play that card with me, they will meet stiff resistance because if I bend, it will always because I chose to bend and not because someone says I have to.

TV01:
Cococandy knows fully well that not everything in the Bible is prescriptive for Christians. Coco is well aware of the the distinction between the moral and ceremonial laws of the OT, and the commandment to love God and neighbour in the new.

Coco also knows that loving God means keeping his commandments - as laid down by Christ and His apostles, and that loving your neighbour does not mean endorsing their every action.

But Cococandy, like many of the other soi-disant feminists around these parts, struggle to reconcile their progressive inclinations with their love for piety ! And so like to form like they have equality in their relationships.

But as I've pointed out before

1. No human intimate relationship is ever egalitarian - note we touched on lesbians having the most violent relationships.
2. Women do not want men they can't look up to. Ultimately they won't respect them, cannot love them and won't be happy to stay with them.

So we either have lots of Femininists married to Betas or we have Coco !


TV

pickabeau1:
Ha ha..

We've been through this..coco
You are a pick and choose feminist

You believe in bride price, not a fan of homosexuality and transgender rights

You just picked up some stuff online Like many here and chant it.

As you are the founding father of feminism who didn't read anything about it online, I guess yours is the word to go by. Nay?

Hilarious dude.

Oh.
Ok.
How else do you understand the parts where war was waged on neighboring countries and children killed to make space for Israelites to expand?

Is there a different spirituality to understand that such is violence and was sanctioned by the (prophets) bible who spoke for God based on what they understood?

Weren't those real events and not mere words.

Ok there's a different way to understand those parts but it is fine to interprete verbatim the parts that say women shouldn't teach in a gathering of men? classic.



If you won't kill your neighbor for cursing God, I rest my case.
Not every Christian can follow bible teachings verbatim.
Such would be locked up and keys thrown away forever

pickabeau1:
If you believe those you mentioned are the authors of the bible
No need for further debate

I only picked that point to correct the error

The bible while written by men was inspired by the Spirit
It is the word of God and anyone who removes or adds to it causes a grievous sin

Read the bible with understanding rather than focusing on the letter

I would not sanction violence
The Bible States that all souls are His and he wants not the destruction of anyone

BABE3:
If the main message of Christ is love your neighbor as yourself, what makes Christianity so special then? Just asking.

Laozi, Buddha, Confucius, even Mohammed preached "love" Before any of them, there was love.
So, what's the deal ?

Nothing is the deal.

If I was born buddhist or Islam, I would probably be here talking about how Mohammed or Buddha Has the message of love and life.


It is the religion I was born into and which suits my conscience. So no deal.
I don't think mine is more special than anyone else's.

BABE3:
What did babe do?

nothing. Just messing with you

babygirlfl:
I understand exactly what you mean but while you pick and choose one that is for the good of everybody, some people choose the part of the bible that teaches them to be violent and wicked towards other people.

well yea you're right.
It all boils down to common sense.
Unfortunately not many have it as we still see some who will kill in the name of following their holy scriptures

pickabeau1:
So who is the author of the bible?

Casting aspersions on the authority of the Bible now....

Who is the author of the bible?
I don't know Moses, Paul, Matthew, ring-a-bell?

Well do you believe a Christian should follow the bible verbatim?
Yes No? (No ambiguous rigmarole answers)

If yes, so you would sanction violence and rape against non Christains?
If No, why the heck are you arguing with me?

As I am one of those fake feminists who got married and is a Christian.

I will get my full license when I decide to quit being married, quit being a Christian and start hating on men regardless of if such a man is good or bad.

Then the board that certifies true feminists founded and headed by pickabeau and babe will give me my license

Shollypopzz:
Who are you to define what a real or a fake feminist is? Is this the new thing?? Who died and made y'all Judge Judy for feminism??

The point of feminism is to give women the ability to make their own choices. A feminist does not stop being a feminist if she chooses that her husband be her head/head her home. As long as it was a choice she made........

BTW, a lot of other feminists might see her as lukewarm, but her feminist card is not revoked.

babygirlfl:
True

The problem is that people pick and choose what part of the bible to follow and what part not to follow.

For me I don't think that's a problem really.
If I didn't pick what part of the bible to follow, I would be enemies with my non Christian neighbor because some part of the Old Testament prescribes killing them, looting their towns and raping their women for insulting the most high God.
That is why for me as Christian, my guide is the word out of Jesus' mouth himself.
I can't be naive or pretentious enough to say that I believe the humanness of other authors of the bible couldn't have gotten in the way of their message.

So how many Christians would really do what the bible says word for word?
I wouldn't want to be near such a person.

Because while Christ's message of love is eternal and can never be outdated no matter the setting in which we find ourselves(since very human being responds to love in a positive way)
The prevailing culture and practices at the time which undeniably colored the POVs of some of the writers have no place in the world of today.

Anyone who thinks I'm not a true Christian for saying this can go to his non-Christian neighbor's house and kill him for not being a follower or deny such a person job opportunity because the bible says we should not associate with non-christains.
Or Kill a self-confessed witch because the bible says we should not suffer a witch to live.

Then he or she can come back on NL and tell us how Christianly it felt to follow such biblical teaching verbatim.
A true follower of Christ will NEVER do word for word all that the bible teaches.

Needless to say Christ is not the author of the bible.

Shollypopzz:
Logic??!! Logic??!!! You call that logic?? I say someone is insane, you are talking about logic

LoL, the guy is reaching. Soon, feminism will be the reason for hurricane, HIV, cancer, flood and accidents.

I should have put the 'logic' in quote. My bad.

You haven't read somewhere on this forum that feminism is the reason why more men are now attracted to other men, black guys die for light skinned ladies and every other thing that is wrong with the world?

Anything for guys to get out of taking responsibility for leading the world astray since the centuries where they have had upper hand in leadership in the society.

Shollypopzz:
ROFLMAO!! I swear this person is too far gone!

What a lunatic, and 5 other lunatics liked his posts?? Bwahahahahahahahha!!

This kind of stup1dity deserves to be bookmarked. Hollup, you mean some feminists replied this poster?? Bwhahaha

they are conspiracy theorists.
Even though some of them don't know they are.

I must have missed out on the meeting where some women and men gathered to discuss with the devil on how to ruin the world by seeking equality for women.

By that logic what keeps the world going is for women to remain under. Err. Tsk tsk.

Ok since we Christians believe the world will come to an end one day maybe feminists are actually doing God's work by helping speed up the destruction of the world. That sounds like a good inference based on good premise. No?

#stretches
Nothing makes sense.

If you do not know women who do that and more, you're with the wrong crowd.

I see we are back to the season of feminism on family section
Where everyone types whatever they think and labels it feminism and the arguments start flowing from page 1 to page 100 with nothing said in-between.

Yawns.

TV01:
Au contrairé Coco - thanks to Christianity. And I want fundamental human rights for all.


TV

so Christianity is not sexist?
Good.
We agree.

pickabeau1:
Now you are leaping

No one ever said female empowerment destroys family

What I have said is simple
That is the message everyone else has been saying

A True Feminist will not recognize male headship in her marriage - that is if she even bothers to marry at all

And A true feminist is who? According to who?
(Don't bother answering)

that's where we disagree.
You give feminism your own definition because you want us to believe it has nothing to do with female empowerment/equality for reasons best known to you. And such reasons lack facts and reeks of sensationalism. No need restating them.

(It smacks of an underhanded attempt to sabotage the progress women have made over the years against oppressive cultures.
#my opinion.)

I could be wrong. Maybe your agenda is not to sabotage female social progress. maybe you're truly afraid some people out there are out to rob men of their manhood. (the sensationalism and conspiracy theorist things I'm talking about)

As always we get to the point where we don't agree and have to part ways so that you can concentrate on work and I on whatever it is I am doing right now.

Ciao

pickabeau1:
why do u think its a conspiracy theory

Im sure you know the family is the bedrock of any community and a dysfunctional family has effects that are perverse

Yes the family is the bedrock of any society.

Too bad if you feel women empowerment destroys your idea of a family.
It doesn't destroy my idea of a family and many people who I know that share such POV.

That's why it is a conspiracy theory.

Stillfire:
Maybe we can borrow a smile from these women that respected their husbands and were very happy then.

https://www.randafricanart.com/images/Yoruba_women_photo.jpg

My ribs

Someone who didn't live in the past is trying to tell us how women then were happier than women now.

OP lezz are you a time traveler?

Chillisauce:
Hello all.
Edwife, ifyalways, efemenaxy , coco, moca, and my beautiful ladies and gents . had a lot going on and trying to meet up before time.

I still try to do my exercise though even if it 15mins .

Above all, still in track of my healthy eating .

Miss yall

me too

Working out now Na war sef. No time at all

pickabeau1:
Simple script

Destroy the home.. Destroy the nation

conspiracy theorist.

bukatyne:
Because they are climbing the corporate ladder. Add that

yea. We are unhappy because we now have opportunities to further careers as against being in the kitchen and labor room which is what makes a real woman truly happy

Stillfire:
What's the argument again? Someone should fill me in? I keep on seeing Jesus, Jesus (in Igbo accent) everywhere.

Women are not happy. That's the argument

TV01:
Precisely right and well stated.

However, some parts that are prescriptive jar with some feminist notions. Headship in the home and church for one. Things like abortion for a second.

Equal opportunities and access for all - parking the above/obvious exceptions - is certainly agreed upon, but to call that feminism is a stretch, as that is not about women, but about all.

And in most countries there is little, if any, structural discrimination against women.


TV

@bold, all thanks to feminists.

Even little is too bad And the few remaining countries where women are still in chains will keep breathing the air of feminism blowing their way until they are liberated.

At the risk of being redundant and saying something that must have been said a million time over again,
Feminists do not care and are not concerned about who's wearing the pant in another's relationship.

Making it about domestic squabbles very much belittles the whole ideology in my opinion.
And that is because with or without feminism, because humans aren't the same and temperaments differ, you will always have couples where the male is the passive partner or the female is the aggressive partner even when she claims to be non-feminist.

pickabeau1:
Can you school your fellow feminazis on this that bring bible to justify feminism?

That people commit adultery and profess to be Christians is not the issue here

We are talking about the equality vs the concept of male headship in marriage

cococandy
Treating others as you want to be treated is a divine principle but still does not negate headship in marriage

BABE3:
all his 12 disciples were men though. Coincidence?

jesus had female disciples/apostles.
I don't want to go into all that.

Of course parts of the bible is sexist and parts of it encourage violence.
Parts of it encourage inhuman treatment to others because they don't believe in the God of the Israelites
But is that christ's teaching?
No.

Any Christian who thinks the whole bible is a guide for a true Christian life will do things that can't let him/her sleep at night.

babygirlfl:
I personally think the bible is sexist and places the man higher than the woman but I totally understand what you mean and I am open to learn more from you.

Yes people use any part of the bible to suit and justify their wrong doings and define what is sin and what is not and yes sometimes I wonder if we all read the same bible with some peoples bible supporting a man who cheats. It's so acceptable that a christian defined adultery as a woman cheating and not a man cheating. I was so surprised that day.

babygirlfl:
Granted feminism and Christianity do not go together but is that the only thing the Bible is against? Christianity is against adultery yet I have read adulterous men say they are Christians. In this section, we read people insulting each other and even use the bible while insulting the other person. I ask is the bible or Christianity in support of insulting each other?

Christainity and feminism do Actually go together if you practice the one golden rule of love "treating the other person as you would want to be treated"

Except we are saying Christianity excuses demanding respect and not giving any in return.

What I notice is that people will use any part of the bible to justify wrongs if it suits them.
Somehow some people's bibles support adultery if a man is the culprit

Vickybee:
Feminism can mix with christianity; if you don't like it, drink an acid.

I've come to understand that you men have a warped definition of feminism.

Warped doesn't even begin to define it.

I think true Christian women should drop the idea of education for the girl child, rights to vote and be voted for, equal pay for equal work, or equal respect as any man of the same social status in order to be considered really Christian.

Will these true Christian men start showing the example they think Christianity is by deny their daughters any chance of social advancement since being home and cooking meals is all that makes a woman happy?

Christ is the idea behind Christianity.
Jesus wasn't sexist.
I don't know why any of his followers should be even though some obviously were and still are.

moca:
No Efe,i dont.
I'm not in aa good mood at all.
Maybe will gradually get over this one day.
Never knew papa's death will hit me this hard.

sorry dear. It is well

WarRLaY:
hmm.... is it afternoon over there..... I fear una o... una don change una area time zone, lol... surulere dea afternoon for 2:11am

you know me for surulere before?

Well as you can see APC= change.
Even time zone is changing.
very soon snow will start falling here in surulere.

WarRLaY:
go and sleep ma, we have seen it

my dear I'm just seeing it. Allow me to laugh my own.

BTW I don't sleep in the afternoon.