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If they get what they voted for, they will be very very unhappy.

They’re already making plans to cut social security, Medicare and Medicaid.

I thought his big lie then was that he will increase the money social security recipients get by removing taxation on it. Now he’s saying cutting it is on the table.

I guess he lied AGAIN. No surprise

armyofone:
To the Great guys! Keep it up.

Waiting for January to hurry up. Let's the shits fly up and hit the ceiling

Some people can't wait for this great nation to be like where they live or came from. The funny thing is, they can't even go to Russian or China.

budaatum:
The intellectual level of the conversation on this thread has grown way past that which a stupid idiot can follow and you now feel left out and irrelevant as most have learnt to ignore you.

Up your game, and mind!

😮‍💨

budaatum:
Same people will of course argue against a woman aborting because she doesn't want her pay hampered by a pregnancy and a toddler. She must identify into the role "nature" has set for her they'd claim, whether she likes it or not and despite having a choice these days.

Thankfully, these, to be men, must first feed on a tit, and along with that can come the ideology they shall live by, which makes it the woman's duty to breed men instead of pigs, just as Eve bred sense into that ignorant naked enslaved Adam and made him the mythical father of humans.

Which is why I don’t even honor them with a conversation about abortion.

In America when CEOs fail, they get bonuses and pats on the back. If they cause the whole country to go into recession, Our govt bails them out with billions of dollars and the world keeps spinning.

They use part of the financial rewards they get to create more propaganda around how ordinary citizens need to work harder and pull themselves up by their bootstraps. They find more ways to avoid paying for services they’ve charged for just so their bottom line remains intact.

If CEOs made 10-20x heck even 50x what the average American worker made, I don’t think people would be bitter at them.

People don’t hate all billionaires. Only the exploitative ones. Which unfortunately leaves very few of them unaffected. And they know it.

GloriousGbola:
https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/intel-ceos-sudden-exit-pat-gelsinger-to-get-12-million-as-payout-firms-regulatory-filing-shows-11733233247713.html





are the 15,000 people laid off also getting a golden parachute? what responsiblity did the ceo of intel actually bear for the series of fups over the last five years ?


https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/departing-boeing-ceo-gets-nearly-33-million-2023-total-compensation-2024-04-05/

https://apnews.com/article/boeing-layoffs-washington-california-aerospace-96cac1eac4b0035d5475dba8f81ae646



the hardworking ceo gets a golden parachute for fking up a company but the front line workers get what? when it is the ceo who created the culture that led to the demise in the first place?

this ceo worship and veneration is an american hypercapitalism

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexanderpuutio/2024/03/24/how-japanese-ceos-continue-to-lead-with-empathy-and-sacrifice/


americans could take lesson from japanese and other asians. but then again - america is all about shareholder value and bloated ceo compensation

the veneration of the ceo class is why real reason the middle class is shrinking and people dont have any faith in the future.

the only ceo of recent memory who has actually bore full responsibility for his incompetence and bad decisions was the ceo of oceangate - that is come real hardwork there -

Thank you!!

Because that one argument Ibe made about more self made men billionaires compared to women almost made me grind my teeth. I didn’t even know if I should go into replying him or not.

How are we completely ignoring the fact that women in america (since that’s the society we based the income inequality on ) couldn’t get access to credit and loans until the 1974.

How were they supposed to fund the billion dollar businesses and catch up to centuries of men’s unfettered access to collectively owned natural resources?

budaatum:
That "ordered and stabled society argument" makes me cringe too. But I recognise not everyone makes the sort of association you've made here.

I can bet you that whites in America earn more than blacks in America (especially if stated as loosely and ignorantly as I've stated it), and I can just about hear the arguments that whites have higher IQs than blacks, and work longer hours than blacks and take less time off than blacks despite the fact that blacks in America earned whips and chains and food and board and no education for centuries, which disadvantaged them just as the equivalent oppressions did women.

Here's from UK:
https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2020/jun/23/white-household-income-in-uk-is-63-higher-than-black-households-ons-finds

And the whys according to some:
https://www.epi.org/unequalpower/publications/understanding-black-white-disparities-in-labor-market-outcomes/

Magnoliaa:
Anyway, if you'd be interested and would have the chance to, and it's hopefully possible to listen without an account, here's the link to the space (you can set a reminder beforehand) - https://x.com/i/spaces/1ZkJzRrXBNXJv/peek

It's going to be a discussion addressing male violence against women, and workable solutions towards combating it as part of the #16DaysofActivism global campaign. Nsijs


Amazon, you can also join in, if you can.

We'd be glad to have you ladies there! 🤗

Sorry I missed this.

Magnoliaa:
And please, in your response, do show the role of hard work. The hard, not smart, work that CEOs do more than average workers.


God bless all Earth Citizens.

Oh but he’s going to.

Because these subjective metrics they use to place value on arbitrary qualities they believe only men possess is a perfect way of justifying why they think these broligarchs deserve the earth.

Gerrard59:
If the company fails, the CEO gets the boot. Anyone who wants to become a CEO should work for it or start your own company. Again, you see - freedom to choose. If you don't like how much you earn, change jobs, study quantitative courses, start a business challenging the dominant company.

Why stop at oil companies? Do teachers earn the same as principals? Do level 1 doctors earn the same as CMDs? Do entry-level accountants earn the same as chartered accountants with years of experience? Why do you want to reap where you have not sowed?

Abeg, I no dey like debate with faux communists! It gets me pissed off when people cannot grasp basic economics. You want big money, but aren't ready to put in the work. Make dem just pack money give you based on vibes!

You’re no economist yourself if you don’t know what category resources fall under. If YOU could grasp basic economics you’d know that resources are finite. That’s the nature of resources. You can milk it but only up to a point. If you made 20 billion in profits this quarter, in order to have record profits next quarter, you have to make more than 20 billion and the next quarter you have to make even more. Having record profits every quarter comes at a price and that price is your physical resource or human resource.

So instead of rewarding excessive greed, a system of capitalism that prioritizes replenishment can be encouraged. A system whereby resources are replenished by either giving more rewards as incentives to the human capital to keep them happy. Keeping a healthy population by making healthcare accessible. Etc. There are many ways that capitalism can be sustained without creating destitution and a widening gap in the economic classes.

IbeOkehie:
Every point up there is true and can be LOGICALLY justified. CEO's generally deserve to earn more than workers. Busy now, I'm going to DETAIL it down and it's not even hard to understand.

Good Luck for Nigerians.

Yes they deserve more. It’s illogical to argue otherwise

Do they deserve 200-400x more than everyone else?
That’s the argument. And that’s the average American ceo compensation compared to the average worker.

You guys make it sound like we think everyone should be on the same salary level. No there’s an art to keeping a robust middle class. And that art is becoming lost in America as more and more people fall into poverty while the billionaire class earns more and more each year

IMAliyu2:
They've generally been propagandized to, and are 6 feet deep in an interlocking web of propaganda narratives and thought stopping clichés that appeal to their emotions and biases.

On this specific instance it's quite clear who the bad guys are, and no amount of propaganda will mask that, considering the pain of dealing with healthcare millions of Americans go through, that affect them as individuals directly or affects someone they know and care about.

💯
It’s like any line of reasoning that doesn’t support billionaire oligarchy must automatically be advocating for communism.

Nope. We love money as much as the next guy. But it doesn’t have to be at the cost of literal lives. There’s more than enough to go around. But capitalism without checks and regulations will implode on itself in french style revolution.

I wish they’d realize sooner than later that there’s us and then there are the billionaires. Even the millionaires don’t belong with the billionaires. They’re closer to the middle class than they are to the billionaires.

IMAliyu2:
Man united the left and right leaning Americans in their hatred of their messed-up healthcare system.

Not even Matt Walsh fans agree with him in his effort to paint only the left as gleeful about the UnitedHealthcare CEO assassination.

Republicans are funny. They love corporations, billionaire greed and unbridled capitalism. I don’t know why they haven’t realized that the messed up healthcare system they’re not happy with is a result of corporate insurance greed. profit before patient lives.

descarado:
This my ukwa is so sweet
Cococandy, come and eat ukwa

Nobody eats this in my house. Can you imagine this people
Anyway, they are missing a lot.

Ukwa is elite. Doesn’t even need that much to taste great. They’re really missing out.

Dogalmighty17:
Whatever it is, there's blood in the water and Diddy will not go down alone. But meanwhile, the world should not forget that the FBI has tapes of Donald Trump raping a 13 year old girl in Jeffrey Epstein's island. That tape has been suppressed because their are also tapes of Prince Andrew, brother to King Charles doing same. If Trumps tape comes out, everyone's tapes will..

This here is part of why I’ll drain the ocean with a spoon before I support Trump.

Magnoliaa:
Same here. Thank you as well. 😇

🫶🏽

I just want to correct that I'm not neutral. That makes it seem as though I am unaffected/nonchalant. I do care about women's rights. Across board, and if the conversation was about harmful right-wing rhetorics (or plain old misogynistic ones in other parts of the world), I would address it. As I have always done.

cool 😎

Are you active on Twitter, by the way?

Unfortunately I’m not.

It wasn’t interactive enough for me at first so I never got a hang of it. Then when I became interested Elon went and ruined it. Lmao.

descarado:
If you look at what he said deeply, he has more female hormones than necessary that made him look and act like a female. Some men have breast.
I think that's what he meant by the boob surgery.
You can see he intensified gym activities to look more like a man. Remaining acting like a man.
I think.

Sorry I wasn’t clear about the conversation: I was initially talking about Bobrisky. You said he’s just a cross dresser. I was saying he not just a cross dresser. He got plastic surgery to look like a woman but also says he’s a man. So his case is peculiar.


I understood this guys case. I hope he’s happy in his final identity.

descarado:


Make I look well.

But he also said he’s a man so don’t take my word for it.

If he really transitioned, then he’s probably the most peculiar case out there.

descarado:
Why call him transgender?
Seems like you don't know the diff between gender reassignment and cross dressing.

Bob risky is a cross dresser.

That’s what I thought too but he got breast implants and a bbl. 🤷🏽‍♀️

Kobojunkie:
If you removed your boobs, how can you be Bobrisky who instead got himself boobs sewed in? And how does that make him a former transgender? Did he have his boobs reinstalled? I don't understand the post at all.

It seems like he’s one of those men with gynecomastia
They have male sex organ but also have female like breasts.

It’s a form of gender affirming surgery. It helps straight men reaffirm their masculinity by removing extra breast tissue they were born with.

God1000:
These food Items will not get to the inmates

That’s what I was about to say.

I’m afraid the prison staff will make away with it.
I hope I’m wrong.

GloriousGbola:
Never thought I'd see western celebrity idolatry in Nigeria - but here we are. I can only be happy my pikins are not touched by this particular bug

Maybe all his followers will start following her and she’ll start making millions on instagram 🫢

He better not unfollow her after she publicly did this

Raumdeuter, Ibeokehie and Magnoliaa I’ve seen your mentions. I have nothing else to add on the trans issue.
So far, thanks for keeping it respectful.

I’m not a rigid person whose opinions are cast in stone. I’m open to changing my opinion if or when data showing that women are at significant risk of being harmed by trans women is available.

So far what I’ve seen is that anti LGBTQ rhetoric that’s being pushed (unprovoked might I add) by the right wing not only promotes harm against them up to 4x more than the average person (of which I don’t intend to cry more than the bereaved on their behalf) but it’s also being used as a tool to further right wing narrative against women and I refuse to participate in it.

Magnolia I can understand you not being right or left because it’s not your direct cup of tea but I don’t have the luxury of being neutral. Because what’s at stake for me and my daughters as women in America is more important than bathroom and sports debacle. If I have a 10 year old who gets sexually assaulted. Under a successful right wing agenda, she can’t get an abortion unless her life is at risk (and even then it’s not guaranteed).

I’ll have other conversations though concerning Trump and what not if it’s interesting enough. But I’ve said all I have to say on the LGBT (especially trans) issues.

I’m talking about equal pay for the same job.
Not a female teacher excepting the same pay as a male neurosurgeon. I thought that was obvious.

Even when they are doing the same jobs, men get paid better. The “men negotiate better than women” argument is a cop out for refusing to address the fact that employers favor men over women.

More recent data shows that women are negotiating without the same result. I can’t force you guys to be concerned about this because you don’t think it’s important. And that’s why I can’t support a republican mandate. You guys actively vote against women and make light of it by insinuating we complain unnecessarily.

To your question, yes two people can have same performance at a job if the metrics are objective.

Are you saying the unions that have a pay structure whereby workers are placed on the same pay scale according to their job description and years of experience are doing it wrong?

Next we’re going to have the argument that men perform better than women hence they’re paid better.

That’s the problem with republicans. Even when they’re good people with good intentions, It’s difficult to overlook the soft misogyny and that’s why I don’t trust y’all.

In summary, I can’t be convinced that you guys care about women the way you are carrying on. I’m okay with you guys doing what you’ve been doing and women will oppose you the same way we’ve been doing. So far it’s been working and we’re making progress.

To come out with faux concern about women’s spaces from the right wing is insulting to women’s intelligence.
In the same thread that I’m supposed to believe you guys care is the same thread where income inequality is being dismissed as nonexistent and maternal leave is being discussed as not an important factor affecting women. Tell me how I’m supposed to be convinced (rhetorical).

Anyway, I feel I’ve said my piece on this topic and I’ll be moving on.

IbeOkehie:
A stance supporting "income equality across the board" isn't supported by data or common sense. There's VARIANCE in humanity.

Women tend to choose professions that pay less. Sweden, Finland and Norway are some of the most equalized countries in the world. Long term studies show that women there are more likely than Americans to choose jobs traditionally associated with women.

In the USA Black Women earn more college degrees AND earn less money than than Black men. The major cause is type of degree and type of job chosen.

Men generally work more hours than women.
Anyone who has managed employees or been observant can tell that women call out sick or have more absenteeism than men. Such realities contribute to higher or lower earnings.

That gender income inequality is a form of oppression or systemic abuse has been THOROUGHLY debunked by data. It's surprising to still read this income inequality canard in the context of a political policy debate.

By the way, let me ask an obvious question - is it possible for any two persons to have the exact same level of performance on a job?

The liberal obsession with equality is very destructive. People are not the same, genders don't behave the same, races and tribes have differences. Those are facts. Different outcomes aren't always results of malevolence


Good Luck to Nigerians.

Silence would’ve been golden Mr

Magnoliaa thanks for your detailed response.
I don’t disagree or have an opinion on every single thing you said so if I don’t address it. It’s probably because I either agree or don’t have an opinion either way.

1) How does it work to not have a problem with trans people but have a problem with trans ideology itself. In application, having a problem with the ideology itself has to directly impact the trans people who we don’t have a problem with. At first , I had to sit with that thought too and come to decision of where my line is. Which is surgery for the kids.


2) I don’t share the fear/concern that a trans wave no matter how popular or trendy it becomes (which I think will be neither) is taking my place. Not even in the least. If anyone stands to lose making a “trend” from this, it would be the trans community themselves not women. I’m not saying I don’t care about them but I’m saying it’s not a thing I feel women have to fear.

3) I must say at the moment my knowledge about current culture climate in Nigeria is limited. So I can’t make any inferences as to what trans culture in Nigeria would look like. What do you think the outcome in Nigeria would be? Worst case scenario in your opinion.

Tinubu’s daughter is trans? Interesting times.
Okay so you believe Nigerian politicians might back a transgender cultural shift for the sake of money? I can’t really see that. But again I could be remembering a different Nigeria.

My overall synopsis is that you’re concerned about the future of Nigerian women if trans culture gets accepted in Nigeria. I won’t minimize your concern.

My concern is that we’ll go far left enough and play ourselves right back into the hands of oppressive men. All the way back to the beginning and have to fight all over again for the basic right to vote. For me it’s less about inclusivity and more about seeing through the conservative ruse.

Some Republican men (even a senator) are saying that giving women the right to vote was a mistake. They are systematically brick by brick trying to dismantle the progress that has been made over the decades by women. They can’t succeed without the help of women. So their way of getting the female support is to amp up culture wars about the safe spaces of women.

And of course they’ll protect us from trans women for the low low price of our freedom and basic autonomy. It’s like when the neighborhood strong men charge you protection fees from “hoodlums” who happen to look exactly like them.

We buy into it, and before long every woman in America will be needing clearance from the man of the house to leave the house. I don’t expect you to share this same concern if it doesn’t apply to you.

AmazonTopaz:
Men are the reason why there are low birth rates..if they don't abandon misogyny the decline will continue to remain steady.

International 4B everywhere

Swiss92:
Seems you guys don't understand that I do love her, I'm just seeking advice on how I should eliminate those weird thoughts

You can’t

raumdeuter:
The poster is asking a legit question. If lack of maternity and parental leave is blamed for low birth rate in the US, We should be seeing a high birth rate in Europe and other first world countries with this parental leave. RIGHT?

I know it’s a legit question.

And 4B is a good example of a reason why birth rates might be going down all over the world.

Are you insinuating that lack of maternal health care is not a problem? Don’t do that.

Crestaria:
Did you type anything? I have got 2 mentions from you but all blank.

Good morning Sis

They were emojis in response to your comment. I guess emojis are limited on NL now too? This forum sef

Maeve7:
I agree. However, I don’t think that the 1,3, 1,5 or 1,8 (France) children per woman are all a result of families not wanting to have more children.

I’d like to know more too.
Declining birth rates in US
Declining birth rates in Asia

We don’t keep good records in Nigeria but if I were a betting woman I’d bet it’s the same or similar.

There’s someone for everyone. If she’s not for you, pls don’t waste her time. Kindly let her be so she can find love elsewhere

Maeve7:
Yep.

European 4B movement? Idk. But honestly good for them.

Let only those who have a burning desire and capability to be parents become parents. Less people need to be having kids because that’s the social norm.

Crestaria:
The latest chef in town. I sight you

🫶🏽

Maeve7:
But the real question is still why birth rates remain low despite all those relatively good family oriented policies.

You mean in the EU countries?