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Evil Brain:
Guy, don't be reetarded. Why would I be defensive if I'm using an anonymous username? Ok, if its what you guys want, I'll confess. I'm a h0m0sexual. My real name is Eddie Long, I'm a pastor, I live in the US and my hobbies are bodybuilding and r@ping teenage boys.

Are you happy now?

P.S. I already said I wasn't g@y a few posts earlier. Try to keep up boy. bodybuilding and r@ping teenage boys.

Are you happy now?

P.S. I already said I wasn't g@y a few posts earlier. Try to keep up boy.

if you are not g@y, then stop defending fagz. . . . . .
the thought of 2 men slapping balls together is repulsive. . . . .abeg, discontinue this discussion.
it sickens me.

debosky:
Wesley?

I remember he played in the WC finals where Cesc was setting up the winning goal. We know who schooled who down in SA.

well. . . . .that was because cesc had a brilliant iniesta as a team-mate and not a fool like arjen robben(who was gifted a chance of a lifetime to be a scorer in the final of a world cup) but fluffed his lines.

the pass sneijder telepathically fed robben was the pass of the world cup - the pass split puyol and pique into two and sent robben through one on one with casillas and the bald one couldn't bury it(carlos vela would have finished with aplomb).

when sneijder had brilliant team-mates like etoo, milito - he ran cesc's superiors(xavi, iniesta and busquets) ragged. sneijder singlehandedly mauled the brazilian midfield of gilberto silva and melo in south africa. sneijder pissed on chelsea's midfield of lampard, mikel, ballack, zhirkov.

sneijder is a beast!

Ibime:
@ Coogar,
Have you heard this guy?

http://www.4shared.com/audio/uw9xPA8F/Yaylow_-_Enigma.html

yaylow nailed it. . . . .perfect timing of rhymes - sick flows.
is this the enigma beat that has been making naija tweeps go gaga?

debosky:
A wishing stone thrown into the wishing well.

inter have agreed to sell, the wages na the wahala.

i am sure you are quaking in your boots already. . . . .wesley will shoot the gooners down - i can't wait for wes to teach gooners how to run the midfield with his telepathic passes.

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fergie is insane. . . . .fabien barthez and now david ginola in the team?
i am expecting queen elizabeth to come on any moment from now.

debosky:
Young is gonna be a left winger. . . .good ol Giggs is set to play in the middle.

Who needs Snejider when you have Ryan.

united will get sniejder. . . . . it's set in stone!

Ibime:
@ Coogar,
Have you heard this guy?

http://www.4shared.com/audio/uw9xPA8F/Yaylow_-_Enigma.html

at all.
watching man utd and marseille doing rubbish - why would fabien barthez be in goal for united. why are some marseille players lining up in the same team with united? am i dreaming?

ohhh. . . . .it's manchester select xi . . .
what a goal by welbeck!!! what a pass from cleverley.

welbeck assist, cleverley goal
ferguson, just keep these 2 lads abeg. . . . .they are ripping marseille a new one here.

fecking hell, barthez is a liability.

debosky:
According to cats like Proudly, Arsene pays average players too much already, and they are still not performing.

and why are there so many average players in arsenal? in 99(just after france were dominating world football), arsenal had vieira, petit, henry, pires, wiltord, etc. this will be the equivalent of having xavi, iniesta, david villa, torres, jesus navas, etc. how did the table turn?

You can't spend all your income on transfers - there are running costs, wages of the board, etc to look after, not to mention repayment of £20m annually on the main Stadium debt.

unfortunately, you have to spend most of your income on transfers unless your name is sir alex ferguson.
the club must weigh it's priorities. do we want trophies or do we want to be a healthy club(no trophies and £200 billion income in our kitty).

This presupposes that Wenger makes the financial decisions - as far as I'm aware, he makes footballing decisions within a fixed budget, with minimal board involvement. The budget however, is not determined by Wenger.

not true.
wenger is the alpha & omega of the arsenal board. he decides who to buy, who to go after and the amount of money to be spent every transfer window.

The money isn't there as implied - the 'money' came from selling good players, and that affects your ability to compete. The 'profits' mentioned in those two years were one-offs, associated with massive player sales and property sales. The money went to repay loans and offer wage increases and a few purchases, but not on the scale required.

the money is there. danny fiszmann revealed this before he passed away.
i am now sure wenger and the board share the loot with the everlasting promise of "we shall deliver next season"

The recent financial accounts showing a small loss are a better representation of where Arsenal would be without selling players or flats.
What we need is improved financial income to generate an extra £20-30m a year which can then be spent on transfers.

extra £20-30m a year again? you are a wetdreamer!

debosky:
Secondly, your argument on the extra £20m in wages is quite foolish to say the least. Will paying the same players bigger wages make them win the EPL? Clearly not - what is required is purchase of the best players that command the big wages.

it's called motivation. it's either you buy best players/big wages or you pay average players huge wages.
wenger is the manager, he should know better.

In essence, you're not only talking about adding £20m onto the wage bill, you're ALSO talking about making big money purchases on a regular basis, such as the £30m Fergie spent on Nani and Ando and the likes.

which your income pretty much covers.
you make £100m at the gates every season don't you?

Furthermore - while Arsenal made a 'profit' in those years, a large proportion of that cash went to repaying loans that were owed to the bank, so they were not necessarily available for transfers AND wages.

which begs the question? why?
is there a sledgehammer waiting to hit on wenger's forehead if these loans are not paid?
can't he refinance the loan in such a way he pays far less monthly/annually?

Now I am not saying that Arsenal can't win anything till it spends like Utd, but to compete at the very highest level, it must begin to gain parity in the number of star performers on its books - whether they are bought or groomed.

which begs the question - why has wenger refused to sign star performers? money is no object. wenger makes money
deloitte has proven it, the income at the gate has proven it. last saturday the commentators said there are 40,000 on the queue for the season ticket. so where is the money?

debosky:
No wonder Wenger said that you shouldn’t listen to people who haven’t even spent half a day in football.

you have sunk to the depths of blowing wenger's backside again.
wenger's policy should be questioned. what do you fans actually want?
money in the bank or trophies on the shelves or a bit of both?

the evidence suggests that arsene wenger continues to add value. arsenal's wage bill was the fifth highest in the country at £111m, more than £20m a year less than citeh and man utd. last season, arsenal came third, and last year they were fourth.

fans would say actually winning a trophy should count for something. and on that basis, given that arsenal has not won the league since 2003/4, you have to argue that wenger's productivity is fatuous.
in fact, if you combine spending per unit of output with success in winning trophies, there is no doubt that alex ferguson is incomparably the most successful manager in the united kingdom. man utd's wage bill per premier league point is £1.6m, just a fraction more than arsenal's £1.5m.

the fact is: for the extra £100,000 per point, man utd were 2nd in 2009/10 and champions in 2010/11.
to be clear, arsenal and wenger cannot argue that they could not afford to spend the extra £20m shelled out by man utd on wages, at least not on deloitte's report. because deloitte shows that arsenal were the only club in 2008/9 and 2009/10 to make substantial pre-tax profits, of £46m and £56m respectively. no other club came within £40m of that profit.

it is therefore a factual statement that arsenal's cherished strategy of running its business on a financially sustainable basis is less in the interest of its supporters than its board may believe. if arsenal's wage bill had been £20m higher (that is the same as man utd's), its profits £20m lower, and the club had actually won something, i doubt many gaynners would have complained or would you?

Ibime:
I wasnt salaried. I only wrote max once a week for fun. Back then their journalists got paid £12,000 pa only. Ma best mate Amarpreet Dhadwal was salaried but always complained about cash flow.    Back then literally, they had only a few guys covering everything. Some would write so much, they had to use aliases so it doesnt seem like they're writing 20 articles per week. Ampy also wrote as Anthony Singh. 

However though, they're on a different level now. They dont do innuendos and conjectures so much anymore, and I find them to be just as reputable a source of news as any other site except soccernet (where traffic is slow).

with the invention of twitter, all thesse goal.com journos will soon be sacked. i get breaking news every minute on twitter from the reliable peops i follow there and majority of them are closer to the club than most journos. ben hibbs of man utd post the team list like 90 mins before kick-off.

debosky:
No ‘new information’ has been provided. He has made a claim that Arsenal players get paid ridiculous wages - something people have claimed without evidence and repeated till it’s now considered fact.

I’m not bothered by the fringe players - they will leave in due course.

it is true arsenal players get paid ridiculous wages. i didn't even know myles had written this already cos i had this discussion with a friend only last night. it's a factual statement all those substandard players in arsenal cop ridiculous wages. you only need to look at arsenal's wage bill to see so.
the difference between the wage bill of man utd and arsenal is not more than £20-30 million pounds despite the fact that rooney, rio, berbatov, etc earn ridiculous wages. the question is. . . . .who are the equivalents @ arsenal earning this ridiculous wage packets every week? van persie? cesc? nasri?

https://www.footballticketsonline.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Top-5-wage-bill.png

Ibime:
They dont exist no more. I wrote almost every week. I had posted some links on NL some years back but those links are dead.

Most of the cats who used to write for goal.com write bollocks from the comfort of their home and pass it off as investigative journalism.

theyve stepped their game up though.

goal.com is rubbish. . . . .i have never trusted them. they lack credibility and 99% of the rubbish on there are lies, speculations and pub rumours.

ritchboy:
You must have been the king
Now you've brought your expertise to NL

ibime na king of trumpery - always has been.
if goal.com could hire ibime then what else is there to say about the outfit?

Ibime:
Sharrraaaaaap!!!

Were you not no 1 Myles Palmer fan until Dayo and I told you he is nothing but a rabble-rouser?

Any punk can sit behind his computer and claim to be "in the know" about inner workings of the club. Did I not write few articles for Goal.com some years ago? Me sef am "in the know". 

show me the article you wrote for goal.com!

eldee:
First Sauron comes up with B.S about . . . teams from other countries don't have to obey basic contract laws of football transfers.
Now some  on Twitter is telling me Liverpool made a bid of 15mil for Barton on a [b]free [/b]transfer.

I think we should start giving people compulsory business classes on this thread.

http://www.atleticofans.com/5671/clarification-on-agueros-buy-out-clause/

so you can tell the w@nker on your twitter that buyout clause is a spanish agreement. when it comes to international transfers (bids from abroad) like the one supposedly from man city/chelsea -- it is irrelevant. except as a symbolic price, a reference point from which you can negotiate.

nlMediator:
^
Home? You assume everybody is working a night shift with you? OK, looks like I've spent enough time with you. Your jokes are getting drier and you're now borrowing my words more and more. That's not enough to make me laugh. Take care, my friend.

wow - the coward backs off with his tail between his scrawny legs.
that's one of the ills of the internet. the chaff and the wheat get mixed together but i don't blame you though.
i blame the recipient of your y-chromosomes for not using it as listerine, you cockstain!


i must hit the sack - you have lost 95% of your life liquid in this battle. go get more juice then come back for another can of arse-whupping.

cheers!

nlMediator:
I would have let this slide, but I want to keep you talking. Can you point to where I insulted you before you started raining your infantile insults? IIRC, all I did was point out that your claim that only Nigerians complain about tithing was not true. Even if my claim was wrong, which it's not, could you not point out the error without insult? Anyway, I'm glad you took the course you took so everybody can see who you are. I've never seen such a combination of idiocy and mendacity in one person. My vote: a spot in the Guinness Book of Records, if you're not there already.

this boy is genuinely irked - i am laughing myself to stupor here.
i have nothing to say to a mendacious mongrel like yourself but in the punditry of hard currency, your intelligence at best will be the zimbabwean dollar

nlMediator:
Watching a paint dry is not as much fun!!

Intellectual, indeed. Almost sure, you've never seen one. You would know how they behave. Hint: they don't go about calling themselves intellectuals.

crikey me, i make a living out of making people like u sound re[i]t[/i]arded. you are sinking to that position rapidly.
why don't you go home & get a breather? you sound a bit pissed.

nlMediator:
While your jokes are not that imaginative, this one was the worst. Are you losing your edge already? Please up the game. Today is your lucky day, as I have many more hours to burn on you. So, I'm up and waiting. And you didn't answer my questions about whether there are other sites where you market your idiocy. People like you are rare in these days of high-seriousness.

if you are idle - go and watch a paint dry.
it's so obvious you cannot cope with the pace of the debate - so you back off like nitwits do and decide to take a back seat and watch intellectuals tackle things that are far beyond your understanding.

just sit back and watch how educated people debate.
the moment you mentioned credit card reh reh reh. . . .i knew you have to be a lummox.
what a spaz!

garyarnold:
@Coogar,
Have you taken the time to read the Bible?  Wasn't Abram rich in GOLD and SILVER?

you have answered yourself. abraham was rich in gold and silver.
so what did the not-so-rich spend?

Many say that in Biblical times they didn’t have money and that the economy was based on bartering of goods and services.  That is not so.  The Bible shows they not only had money, but that money was used as a common way of doing business.

what was this currency called then? naira or dollars?
is it a universal medium of exchange like today's money? is it something that everyone had but the degree of riches vary from individual to individual?
can you go to a car shop now and exchange 6 cows for a honda saloon car?

Breeze5000:
@Coogar
did you even read your reply to me before posting? My post was not about Pastors enriching themselves, that's not the core message of my post. I am more concerned with the Bible Verses quoted which you refused to address. I just wanted you refute them,  By the way why are you going about so much on this tithe thing/ Everybody including Pastors knows that the Tithe of today has nothing to do with what's in the Bible,  So if thats the case what's all this long talk for?

indulge me, please.
show me one direct quote from any of the nigerian pastors where it was mentioned the tithing of today has nothing to do with what was said in the bible. please just one quote.

I may not know more but if there is any place in the Bible where Money is mentioned concerning tithe please show me, Or where Pastors are mentioned to receive tithes,  Are today's pastors the equivalent of Levite Priest? If so pls lemme know. Even people that pay tithe agrees that what is in the Bible has nothing to do with what is going on today in the name of tithe. So again what is all these talk for? Please tell me it is the intention of God to make Pastors millionaires through tithes,

how can it be the same? back then, the medium of exchange was livestock.
men were adjudged to be rich by the number of cows, rams, etc they possess. do we then convert our cash and start taking live rams to church in the name of offering and tithes? dang. . . . . .why are christians of nowadays so obtuse?
you have to factor that 2000 yrs have passed. civilization has brought it's own challenges in this matter. money is now the currency, not rams.

Finally I have to ask you politely to reduce the insults, it takes away from the point you are trying to make cos to me those that insults others especially on public Forums are like lil kids still in their diapers

i only insult people who insult me.
an eye for an eye.

dayokanu:
Whats technical about Walcoot aside take the ball sprint. Pius Ikedia is technical?

Walcott cant turn to save his life never mind threading a pass.

Sol Campbell was just a brute no nonsense defender with little ball skills, 90% of Sols ball out of defence were hoofs to the middle or throw-in

Not forgetting the grate Specialist Senderos, Pascal Cygan  Stepanovs

Squilacci and Kolscieny are similar though they dont boot the ball out but have little ball skills I even forgot Silvestre

bendtner a Specialist? In what exactly? maybe Gynaecology  

The ball players from Defence in Arsenal, the greatest was Kolo Toure and this isnt suprising given that he started as a midfielder

dayo, all these players are more technical than their counterparts in the premier league.
kolo toure is not even high up the list. thomas vermaelen nko? eboue? clichy? koscielny?

wenger signs specialists. walcott is a specialist. don't mix football brain with techniques. walcott has tekkers - but no football brain.
j-s park has football brain but no technique. nani has techniques but the football brain is a bit lacking.

nlMediator:
All along, I thought you're just a mere simpleton. Now, it's clear you're a bald-faced liar. Shifted post 20 times? Said that ALL the poor in Nigeria are better than ALL the poor in America? I love you man! Do you frequent other sites, so I can come over there enjoy you more! I'm here typing and laughing and somebody is asking me why! It's my new found cyber-friend!!

the person asking you better dial 9-1-1.
another serial w@nker has been added to the statistics of the association of mental handicaps!
you should be muzzled n shackled before you bite and spread your insanity.

nlMediator:
Like I said, keep the entertainment coming! Would not have believed we still have such idiots around until today. Do you have DVDs or CDs of your antics?

There's solid documentation of the number of countries in the world, currencies, flags, etc. Where is your documentation for the brainless assertion that people in other countries do not complain about tithing?

Nobody said that the poor in America are not better than the poor in Nigeria generally. But that's only general. In particular cases, some poor in America are poorer than the poor in Nigeria. Your references to crowded buses, etc showyour below-zero level of reasoning.

my days. . . . .see the effects of a negative integer intelligence quotient.
the same priggish twit that said americans are poorer than nigerians has changed mouth that nobody said the poor in america ain't better than the poor in nigeria? so what about your ridiculous analysis on "the other way round" - americans should be tithing more than nigerians?

i have got a zero tolerance for troglodytes like yourself.
you are half-witted with little or no penmanship. you have shifted posts more than 20 times tonight after being boxed into a corner.
if intellectual debates ain't your forte - why not go home and learn some knitting with your nan?
bloody asswipe!


@ freeindeed,

your comment is filled with complex contradictions you cannot even begin to understand

your first line went about comparing eating from the tithe in the old convenant to the modern day era. that is - things should be done the way they were practised in the mosaic days in the modern day. only for you to then say the old convenant has been abolished and the new testament should be the one practised.

my problem with comments like yours is - people now choose which of the commandments to follow randomly to suit their selfish interests. who decides when to follow the old laws or the new laws? this argument is tedious. tithing is what i love doing - and i will continue to do it no matter what people like you come online to spew.

what have i got to lose if i tithe? nothing. i priortize it. i don't smoke and i don't gamble.
for some people it's vice versa - they don't tithe but they spend the money on other stuffs.
at the end of the day, it bores down to the individual. like i keep saying, you can keep your tithe but do not discourage the christians who tithe with your heap of heresy.

dayokanu:
^^ Yet he splashed money on Walcott who doesnt have any of those eye pleasing skills

Nor did I see any of those abilities in Squilacci, Sol Campbell, Kolscieny Bendtner etc

they are all technical players unless you watch your football upside down.
compare the players above to john o'shea, fletcher, gibson, wes brown, js park and it becomes more evident the difference between specialists and water-carriers.

nlMediator:
Hey, slow down! You may be hare-brained, but you need not make that so obvious.

hare-brained and yet this lummox cannot even use the quote button to reply like intellectuals do.
how ironic.

I can see you’re really stung by my debunking your baselessly false claim that it’s only in Nigeria that people complain about tithes. You’re the type that because they managed to visit Ethiopia a few years ago, bamboozle people in Nigeria with claims about what happens in foreign countries that they know next to nothing about. Sorry, wrong forum and timing!

stung? because i have no time to carefully fine-comb your baseless stats.
ma hands are tied tonight - if i start paying attention to your heap of trumpery - your folly shall be exposed.

I know I’m basically wasting time instructing you, but I’m enjoying the amusement value. Your comments evidence a staggering ignorance and simplicity. Here’s a guy that professes interest in exclusive conversation with intellectuals when he’s so poorly educated and largely unexposed.

hehehe - you are the joke!
keep laughing at your own idiocy.

Hardly anybody who has successfully gone through a thorough graduate program in a real university will make such an asinine claim that ‘only Nigerians complain about tithes (on the ground that the pastors misuse the money). Because such graduate or even student would know that (1) he cannot prove the assertion, having not been to all the countries in the world nor in possession of any decent study that says the same, and (2) the claim can easily be disproven, even by pointing to just one country that shows the contrary.

yet more fuckery for a supposed intellectual.
listen very well this time cos i know your brain processes information at snail-speed.
i said only nigerians complain about tithing and they do so by denigrating their pastors and accusing them of stealing tithes.

you then foolishly stated americans do it as well.
i have asked you more than 5 times to show me where americans have accused a pastor(without proof) of stealing funds and you have been speaking in tongues since then bed hopping from one spineless comment to another.
did you pass out from any citadel of learning at all?

To disprove it, here it is – this time read s-l-o-w-l-y:

1) In the US, vast majority of Christians do not pay tithes.
2) One can assume that they do not pay because they have one complaint or another about tithing. But we need not rely on assumption. We have the evidence published on the internet, at least.
3) Some of these complaints relate to how pastors use (or misuse) the money. For a sample, see a book published recently on that: “What Your Pastor Didn’t Tell You About The Prosperity Message” by Leah L. Davis, available here - http://leahldavis.com/main/

If you cannot afford one or have no accessible credit card, let me know and I can send you a copy at my expense. That’s worth it for the free entertainment you’ve provided. Even your insults are hilariously unimaginative. Keep the amusement going. You're an answer to prayer!

that is if you have ever touched a credit card before with your leprous hand in your pathetic sad life.
see his mouth like credit card. the mongolian airhead probably thinks credit cards just work without a billing address to match the details. the way you have been illogical and misconducted with your vacuous reasoning - it is safe to assume you are just a wannabe. the tool might actually be slapping mosquitoes on one of those dinghy streets of ojuelegba -

just when i thought internet usage was banned in psychiatric homes in lagos - this lunkhead has just broken from his shackles.

Breeze5000:
@Coogar,
I would expect you to disprove all the Bible quotations (here) instead you are just showing the world that you know no other way even when the proof is staring you straight in the face. Whatever you do, just know that God does not need your money (though pastors do) What God needs is kindness to your fellow man, so you might wanna think on spending some of those tithe money on Widows, Orphans and the poor not turning Pastors into celebrities that wanna compete with Puff Daddy with their bling! bling! lifestyes

this is one moronic way to debate - where is the proof?

lemme understand this. . . . . . .china have executed 60 nigerian men for drug trafficking. in other words, breeze5000 is a drug mule. the proof is staring in my face since breeze5000 is nigerian and nigerian males are all drug traffickers.

that is the way the above post sounds. like i keep repeating - each case should be considered individually. just because some pastors are criminals should not convict the others. you have no proof but hollow sound bites. it's a shame that your supposed intelligence has no spine but conjectures and rumours.

nlMediator:
What expression of illogic and incoherence!

you are a consummate simpleton!

Shouldn't it be the other way round? If the poor in America are almost like the middle class in Nigeria, shouldn't they be in a better position to pay tithes than the poor in Nigeria? So, why claim that some christians in America are not paying tithes because they are poor, when by your baseless assertion they're not truly poor?

you are a cretin of diverse proportions.
the poor in america is like a middle-class in nigeria but he's still poor in america where he's expected to pay the tithes.
if he was paying his tithe in nigeria, then you have a point but he's tithing in america(where he sees himself as a poor person)

Oh, btw, your claim is false again. There are many poor people in America that are poorer than the poor in Nigeria. Saying that the poor in America is almost equivalent to the middle class in Nigeria is complete rubbish. And persuades me that you cannot even find the US on a map, much less getting a visa to visit.

yet more asinine comments from a vermin.
of course, the average american live on $1per day like nigerians. 200 people share one flat like they do in lagos.
their buses are packed. 49 sitting, 99 standing. america is ruined with famine, drought, malaria, hiv, etc like nigeria.
your moral and intellectual compass is so screwed up i doubt you can find your way to your study room - bloody irritant!

you were still a spermatozoon when i started visiting the states.

And my earlier question remains: how many countries have you visited (to know that it's only in Nigeria that people complain about tithing . . . .)?

of course, i have to visit every country to know the time difference is not the same. i have to visit every country to know different countries have their own currency, etc.
and yet when they ask graduates to raise their hands up in the society - you will raise your hands up not knowing you are a quarter-baked graduate whose intelligence quotient is lower than your shoe size in inches.

Ibime:
The only problem with Wenger's philosophy is in applying the philosophy to the defence, buying non-physiacl "ball-playing defenders" and looking to "groom" defenders just like he does midfielders. I continue to insist that Wenger can do himself a favour by buying cheap but battle-tested defenders. I cannot see past a ninja like Carlos Cuellar as a perfect signing for Arsenal - a player who fits Wenger's transfer and wages profile, but one who is extremely battle tested. Wenger should also look at Ninjas like Dedryck Boyata, a player who fits Wengers age profile but with immense physicality. Our Nigerian brother Nedum Onuoha is also someone who has no-nonsense defending style. His passing is atrocious, but then again Sol Campbell was one of the worst passers in the Prem, and Chris Smalling's atrocious passing hasn't hurt United yet.

wenger only signs specialists. all wenger's players must be highly technical. excellent ball control, comfortable in possession, good eye for the pass, etc.
these qualities weigh more on wenger's mind than the physicality. wenger will not buy players who are not comfortable in possession or whose ball skills are non-existent.

Enigma:
This one's case is worse than pathetic, it would be a waste of time discussing with him much further; moreover he is a fine example of the fruit that the fraudster Oyakhilome produces in his followers.

so oyakhilome is a fraudster now? where is your evidence?
where is your proof? any criminal charges levelled against him?
is this a genuine accusation or one of your periodic wet dreams

i am trying to compile a list of the best rap verses with a friend of mine. we are looking for verses only(not a whole song, not few bars or quotables). it has to be a verse from any rap joint(commercial or underground) and it must be widely considered to be a dopė verse.

i have few contenders myself but i need the opinion of other rap heads. at the end of it all, we shall compile a list of 10 drugs verses on popularity and credible debates.  please keep it clean and stay on the topic.

my best verse of all time: inspectah deck of wu-tang clan on a track called triumph

I bomb atomically
Socrates' philosophies
and hypothesis can't define how I be droppin these
Mockeries, lyrically perform armed robbery
Flee with the lottery, possibly they spotted me
Battle-scarred shogun, explosion when my pen hits
tremendous, ultra-violet shine blind forensics
I inspect you, through the future see millenium
Killa B's sold fifty gold sixty platinum
Shacklin the masses with drastic rap tactics
Graphic displays melt the steel like blacksmiths
Black Wu jackets, Queen B's ease the guns in
Rumble with patrolmen, tear gas laced the function
Heads by the score take flight incite a war
Chicks hit the floor, diehard fans demand more
Behold the bold soldier, control the globe slowly
Proceeds to blow swingin swords like Shinobi
Stomp grounds and pound footprints in solid rock
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Enigma:
Now you are making things up and suggesting that people should disobey a specific command of GOD HIMSELF; go back and read the passage and see how important it was to God that the tither should eat the tithe.

i read the passage and i think you are the one making things up to satisfy the lusts of your argument. you people love to twist it the way you want anyways - i am not surprised.

God did not send anybody to build any "edifice" for Him; in fact He said He does not dwell in "edifices" made by human hands. Where God wants to dwell is in a man's heart and the man in whose heart and mind god dwells will realise eventually that God does not ask him to "tithe" anywhere in the New Testament.

yes, pastor chris can shepherd his sheep on the streets. . . .no cover from adverse weather, no organization at all. he can just call his congregation, and they block up a street and worship. sometimes i question the intelligence of some of the christians i debate with these days. how can you liken the old testament to now when more than 2000 yrs have passed. in these days where space is a key - these days where you cannot infringe on the rights of others - you want a pastor not to build edifice and shepherd sheep on the streets like a bunch of lunatics?

wow - you have it all figured out, don't you? keep on with it - you will win a nobel prize by the end of the year at this pace of yours.
don't give up.

As for people acting in a serving role, if God dwells in their heart, they will serve joyfully especially if it is an atmosphere where everyone else, especially the "pastor", is by and large true to God and are not deceivers.

please be realistic. you cannot expect every member of the church to be working full-time in the church. life on the outside must go on. people have their needs, their family to feed. in such situations, won't the church committee hire professionals to carry the tasks needed out? where will this money come from if not the tithes people have contributed. . . . .

Ask yourself who Jesus was talking to; check if you have ever read Matthew 23:23 (and its Luke equivalent) in proper context

hypocrites like yourself, of course.

We have no objection to a person choosing to tithe; what we object to are false teachers and ignoramuses misleading other people into a bondage from which Christ and His gospel has freed them ----- all simply to satisfy material desires and aspirations.

misleading? are people held at gun-points/knife-points to contribute tithes? has nigeria gotten so bad to that extent?
if you don't have tithes to pay - do the church refuse entry? stop you from sitting down? deny you the rights enjoyed by tithe payers?
mr enigma, you have got issues!

the hypocrisy becomes more glaring when men of your ilk go to whorehouses and there's no hesitation when you fork out $300 in one night.

Enigma:
Of course, you can't! OK here is the breakdown:

- God said the tither himself should eat the tithe.
- Alternatively, God also said the tither himself should spend "tithe" money on whatsoever his heart pleased.

But here you say that tithes are only for the "church"; so who do you want us to believe: God or you?

but the tither already eats from the tithe in the modern era. when the tithes are collected to build huge edifices with the modern hi-tech gadgets, do you not benefit from those as a member of the congregation? buses to travel from point a to b. an enabling atmosphere to pray, adequate security of lives and properties, alternate power when nepa/phcn strike, etc. are those not the things the tithes have done that every member of the congregation enjoys? who do you think pay for the renting of the venue of the church, the plastic chairs, the people who fix the place every service? where do you think those people are paid from? the pastor's inheritance from his dad or from the federal ministry of works and housing?

Enigma:
In other words: "tithing" has been "disannulled" (abolished) along with the Levitical priesthood on which it was based: both have been replaced by the bringing in of a better hope (which makes things perfect) and by which we draw nigh unto God.

white elephant lie. matthew 23:23 says you are lying.

see, i don't have any problem if you decide not to tithe(it's your prerogative). . . . .but don't discourage the people who tithe with your heresy.

Enigma:
Well, let me show you what the Bible says: I will use an old post of mine for the purpose; (in fact, let me also tell you now that none of your arguments is new; we have exposed them all to be false before and we have been doing so since 2005)

I will use that my post from the following link just exactly as I first wrote it: from here https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-685535.0.html#msg8497302


If there are three types of "tithes", and one of them is below

Deuteronomy 14
then, when last did any tithe preacher preach that as it is important to learn to revere the Lord your God always, every month you must take a tithe of your income and throw a party and jollify yourself with it. Oh, and you should do this in church every month! Why? If storehouse now equals "church" what about "the place where God chooses as a dwelling for his name"? That has to be the church too kẹ! Therefore, every month "tithers" should throw a "tithe party" in church and jollify themselves with a "tithe" in addition to paying the Malachi "tithe" into church.

Meanwhile, give me a bit of time to work out how we sort out the third "tithe", you know the one --- that one for widows, orphans etc. Come to think of it, I don't recall any "tithe" preacher telling us we should do that one or how!

Hmmm anyway ṣha, we now know that every month, "tithers" must pay at least 30% in tithes! Cool.

i cannot understand a single thing you wrote up there.
don't refer me to any post in 2005. it muddles up the argument. kindly state your case why you feel the tithes collected every month should be divided equally among the whole congregation.

tunnytox:
are you by any way insunuating that church are meant to make profit? if the church have more money left why not sponsor member to go on evangelism in rural ares and if there's still moremoney left in the cover it does no one any harm if the money is shared equaly

the church is meant to keep a retainer so they can continue God's work in evangelism, expansion and development. more branches, home and abroad, etc.

tunnytox:
Lol   why not? if we can pay tithe introduced thousands of years ago why can't we share all our belongings just like early Xtians?
You see in the churches today there are several members who are in one need or the other but the Church these days has forgoten these set of people, all the church is concerned about is raisng fund for several projects, in fact the amount of pressure that some pastors put on their congregation has pushed them into commiting sin and to the extent of commiting several criminal acts just to belong. The church is not meant to be like that it should be a place of succor for the needy, the sick, the oppressed, the rich and all manners of people united by one thing which is our believe in  God and His Son Jesus Christ.

I was in one church few years ago when members were asked to contribute for the church to buy a building beside it to be used as guest room, function hall etc many members came out to contribute and even many more make pledges but it is in this same church that when a member cannot pay his house rent they asked him to come out of the congregation for members to contribute towards his house rent not many came out. And even I still wonder why he was asked to come out, the pastor of the church usually boast about how much God has blessed him and I  wondered why he or many other priviledged members cannot pay this rent instead of humilating this man who has a young family to cater for.

my question is. . . . .whose decision is it to build more buildings, buy fleet of cars, buy air-planes, etc? is it the sole decision of the pastor or is there a committee that handles these huge expenses?

moreover, the church i attend whenever i visit nigeria, they care for the needy. they have this big box in the church where the less-privileged drop their requests and there's a committee that look after them. they connect them with jobs, supply them basic needs, etc. i really don't think it's morally right to buy a lexus jeep for all the congregation because the church made $1 billion profit in the last accounting year.

Enigma:
If your argument is that "tithing" as the Bible teaches it is for Christians today, then the answer is YES they are meant to be shared by the congregation "equally" (depending on how we interprete "equally" each month.

the sole purpose of tithing is provision for the church - there should be no lack of means or money to carry out God's work.
sharing equally like the 40 thieves in ali-baba must be your own wet dreams.

There are so many to choose from. ( Documented Fraudulent Pastors)
I'll give you just one.
http://www.entrepreneur.com/tradejournals/article/175076397.html

this one has already been caught. . . . .is this man the one running your church currently?
or should we put all pastors against the wall and have them shot based on this particular article?
common sense demands each case should be considered individually. this article does not prove chris okotie is fraudulent - does it?

dare2think:
Lol. proof?

It is evident for all to see. Like I said, if you choose to ignore, Fine.

But dont expect others to keep quiet.

evident for all to see? how?
if it's that obvious, why haven't you arrested your pastor when you have a waterproof evidence that he has been stealing your tithes.
i don't work with conjectures or hearsays. if you are not an eye witness, you are a lie-witness.