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Nihilist:
Same Jose that said he would win UCL with 11 Azpilicuetas? Or the one that said Ivanovic is his right back last week? Or maybe it's the one that said that Falcao is still a top player just that the fans can't see...

i also believe jose would win UCL with 11 azpili. he's your best defender....too bad he's not a CB. he's the only player you cannot beat in the premier league - he's 2 footed, defends excellently and attacks tenaciously.

however, that's not why we are here.....
we are here cos makelele was the outstanding player in 04/05 in the prem league. the only reason he was shunned at the PFA awards is because he's not english....

which yeye lampard?
lampard was so good but it was makelele that had a role named after him? are you silly? you guys should be ashamed of yourselves that a united fan is schooling you tools about your club's own history....

Negro please...you need to learn to differentiate fact from fiction when Jose is talking...

we only hear of the makelele role.....where's the lampard role? maybe mou was also fibbing when he said this in his book about claude....

this airmark is a lunatic sha....
he's testing my eidetic memory and he's even failing at it.....

airmark:
Your falsehood has taken a higher dimension. I challenge you to show me where mou said lampard did nt deserve it? I watched football long before you could identify a TV in kiddies' book. Immediately i saw in your blabbing that lamps was nt near best player that year, i was just laughing. I only needed wikipedia to buttress my point, in case you wanted to shift post as you always do. I am not here to fight you, but next time dont post rubbish here, prying eyes will see and call your bluff. You are not in confinement of your room where you can easily say Pep guardiola was c ronaldo's coach at real madrid and your wife will give you a peck in the neck.

you are a laboratory rëtard.....
if mou declares makelele chelsea's player of the season after PFA awards, does that not tell you that lampard didn't deserve the award? did it not occur to you mou would know better as he's the manager of both players?

fück outta here....
when did you even start watching football? just because you now have a wifi-hotspot, you want to start having debates with your intellectual superiors? are you out of your freaking mind? i can write everything you know about footie on a grain of rice.

raumdeuter:
Of all these you mentioned Cafu, Zanetti and Zambrotta were not central defenders

Puyol, Nesta, Maldini, STam were good to great in their time

But at no point in time was Terry better than an average defender.

BTW Pique and Boateng can only play in the era they find themselves. If those players played in a different time, they would also struggle.

I know some like to fantasy and overrate the past but Was it not in those their time Owen won Balon D or? If Rivaldo, Owen, Figo, Nedved played these days they would never smell Ballon D or not even top 3

imagine owen winning ballon d'or.....
his best wasn't even as good as rooney(2010 circa). you can only beat what's in front of you. without ronaldo/messi in the last 8 years, xavi & iniesta woulda won 3 ballon d'or each at the very least. lahm or bastian woulda claimed one each as well.

airmark:
Is it only PFA award you saw in the list of awards he won in that season? Let me embolden the list and try harder to defend your crap.
chelsea player of the year award
PFA player of the year
FIFA Player of the year Silver Award
Ballon d'Or Silver Award
FWA Footballer of the Year
PFA Fans' Player of the Year
Premier League Player of the Season
England Player of the Year Award
Best player of Carling Cup
Lampard was in
PFA Team of the Year
FIFPro World XI
He was premier league leader in assists

so why did jose mourinho declare makelele as the player of the season in 04/05 after hearing lampard was chosen ahead of claude? this is how to know people who actually watched footie that year unlike the vagrants like you who rely on wikipedia. it's fair to say as at 04/05, there was no electricity or DSTV in your village.

SIRcumalot:
Terry gets the credit because he was the leader of that defence besides, Cech made the team. Makelele has always done a thankless job anyway.

carvalho was the leader, terry wasn't!
after each excellent defensive performance that season, it would be terry with the mic instead of carvalho/makelele because the duo couldn't speak english to chat with geoff shreeves!

I thought sergio busquets was responsible for the barca playing style ? or you barca admirers just change the players to suit yourselves.

busi starts the attack.....
he distributes the ball and everything flows through him. we are talking about the defensive side of their game now. the ones who make the towering clearances in a team populated by midgets.....

Like fabregas,yaya,sanchez,thiago and ibra.
I don't undervalue pique I sees his strength(as I mentioned earlier) it is you and the barca fans on this thread that are either blind to his weakness ,or choose to ignore them because why ? it fits barca style.

it's even an achievement that a particular system is tailor-made to suit the style of pique. when a club & a country have to play to the strengths of a defender, then he's world class. often times, it's the player that has to adapt to the system of the manager, not the other way round.

Blind isn't good enough as a CB but if he fits into whatever LVG is planning he'll look just as good as pique.

nah.....
blind isn't as good. he's only good with distributing the ball under pressure - something jones, evans, mcnair struggle to do. LVG surely knows he loses a big chunk of defensive responsibility when he plays blind there but the pros slightly outweigh the cons.

raumdeuter:
Current best 3 defenders are Pique, Boateng and Ramos

i can't see beyond those 3 at the moment....

thiago silva is in a league where he gets no action week in week out against deadly poachers.

godin was a flash in the pan. what made him imperious in the season they made UCL final was clearly lacking last season - he's a flash in a pan like hazard.

the jury is out on otamendi, smalling, koscielny, etc. they need a sustained season of excellent performance to be mentioned in the same breath as the trio.

kompany, metersacker, terry, cahill, etc are a bunch of has-beens that should retire quickly before they are completely humiliated by the modern requirements of an elite defender.

airmark:
Whenever you write all these nonsense lines, let it be restricted to your team, man utd. Have you forgotten you have chelsea fans reading all your lies about chelsea here? You said Lampard was nowhere chelsea best player in 2004/2005. What did you smoke before typing that line? You keep posting falsehoods here and there, that season was Lampard's personal best season of soccer career at chelsea.

He won

chelsea player of the year award
PFA player of the year
FIFA Player of the year Silver Award
Ballon d'Or Silver Award
FWA Footballer of the Year
PFA Fans' Player of the Year
Premier League Player of the Season
England Player of the Year Award
Best player of Carling Cup

Lampard was in
PFA Team of the Year
FIFPro World XI
He was premier league leader in assists

Mr. coogar please stop turning truth on its head, it makes you look irresponsible.

you are undoubtedly stüpid......
na PFA award go tell me that makelele was the best player in england in 04/05?

wasn't that how hazard won PFA player last season when he wasn't even the best player at chelsea?

wasn't that how giggs won PFA player in 2009 ahead of cristiano & vidic? i have already explained myself on how the british media manipulate sheep like yourself with their headlines!

turning the truth makes me what? quoting me when i am doing the best to avoid your stüpidity makes your parents irresponsible. if they had done a good job, they woulda tutored you to speak only when you are spoken to.

TooNoisy:
Indecent dressing is not the cause of rape. But I will advocate people dress decently.

it's very difficult for the sexually-violent men to differentiate between a first class pröstitute and an indecently dressed woman. when they see a woman indecently exposing herself, they mistake her for a whorë and the rest is history.......

SIRcumalot:
Not taking anything away from Makelele he didn't even make the PFA team of the year.
Unlike you that never forgets anything, I need to check the facts before just saying anything to fit my present narrative.

don't be surprised....he's not british!
if an english player scored as many league goals as aguero last season, he woulda won the PFA player of the year.

I don't think its unheard of for a teams to have more than one stand out player in a season terry awards that season shows he was a factor..

terry is english, carvalho isn't....
sensible chelsea fans that saw 04/05 season would tell you carvalho was the rock in that defence but then the british has a way of manipulating the public. if an english player and a foreign player score a goal each in a league game, whose name do you think would be in the headline? the foreign player?

all the clean sheets chelsea kept that season(mind you, it was an obscene number of clean sheets) were all credited to john terry. very little was said about the brilliance of cech or the excellent display by carvalho & makelele. it was just terry, terry, terry!!!

Varane maybe,the rest never.
Pique works because the system works.
If he had remain in england he probably won't be this big.

the system works because of pique....he was the pacy defender when he was played next to puyol. barca/spain tend to keep a high line in the way they choke opponents and pack everyone in their opponents half when searching for goal. any break and its pique snuffing out the attack with his long stride and his brilliant positioning.....

We saw how player that don't conform to the system wash out quick.

like leo messi?
pique makes the system work for club and country. he's very vital to the way barca played. puyol & another slow defender wouldn't have been able to work with that system.

slow defenders mean they wouldn't be able to keep a high line thus leaving a big gap between the midfield and the attack. do you know how many head clearances pique make in that team of midgets? you undervalue pique a lot!

Debroslink:
I thank God there are sensible United fans here.

Chelsea's bus system is the reason Terry looks like a god. If you play Romanus Orjita there, he would have be called a legend by Chelsea fans. When Terry played for England, where there is no bus system, he was exposed. Teams like Croatia raped him @ Wembley.

Pique has always be exposed to counter attack style of football, and he has excelled there. For the past 6 years, he has consistently been putting in excellent performances.

It's a pity some are comparing him to Smalling. How many great seasons has he given Man United? What has he won for his club and country as an integral member?

Give respect to who it's due. Pique is the best defender in the last 6 years.

he's consistently been in the top 3 since 2009 for club and country. i am proud some parts of his football education was from our academy in carrington!

SIRcumalot:
You said nobody was a standout player lampard clearly was one.

lampard was nowhere the best player at chelsea that season. on the top of my head, i would have makelele, cech, carvalho, robben, duff, drogba......before i would remember lampard.

Also terry won the pFA for players and made the team of the season.

so how's lampard the stand out player when different names from the same team keep popping off from your mouth? was there anyone more essential to the way chelsea played that season than the dependable makeleke or the indomitable petr cech?

I no fit remember 09 final.still one moment of brilliance from Pique isn't the reason why we didn't win.

that wasn't the only moment of brilliance. he was imperious throughout the game & we attacked barca like a swarm of killer-bees on the night.

I recalled that I gave him credit for his size in my previous post. Pique won't bench anybody in juve,bayern,and Madrid.

pique would bench varane/pepe at madrid.
pique would bench benatia/alaba at bayern
pique would bench bonucci/barzagli at juventus.

AdeLaNa1:
U misunderstand my post. Una dey call Pique world class bcoz of all he'z achieved. Watch him win three or four more trophies this season and watch him jump on the world class bandwagon...

he's world class because he is......
nothing to do with whom he plays for. remember he had rio/vidic ahead of him in 2008 that prevented him from getting to our starting XI.

as at 2008, no defender on the planet could have gotten ahead of rio/vidic. pique went back to barca & he became an instant hit due to what he had learnt from his superiors at carrington complex!

pique is better than any defender in the premier league and so are boateng & ramos. smalling has to maintain his current form for another 3 seasons to be mentioned in the same breath as those trio!

AdeLaNa1:
If Johnny Evans played in Barca too, he'd ve benn regarded as a World Class CB. Vermealen hasn't played 24hrs of football for Barca and he's already won the quadruple. In the nxt few yrs, Vermealen would also be regarded as a World Class CB with little to no effort....

so vermalen that never kicked a ball for barca should be compared to pique who never missed a game for barca/spain?

come on, people......

SIRcumalot:
Who was the PFA that year ?
Isn't it lampard.

and lampard was a defender when he won the PFA award, right?

We didn't lose because of pique brilliance our inability to park a decent bus cost us a UCL medal.

watch the first 10 mins of that game again. there was an incident where all park needed was to hit the ball into an empty net after ronaldo's freekick had a rebound & pique came from nowhere to apply a brilliant tackle.

Puyol is a great CB because I saw him before the tiki taka wankfest.
Pique I didn't see

so it's now pique's fault he isn't the same age as puyol?

If those 8 player rarely misplace a pass how diffcult is that job.

and when barca concedes curved free kicks, corner kicks, etc who do they call upon to bail them out? midgets like messi, xavi, iniesta, villa or jordi alba? or is it the accurate passing that defends the aerial attacks against barca?

get some perspective, biko!

@barackohandso
A world class player IMO is a top 3 player in his position and is irreplaceable.

pique would walk into any club in the world. pique would walk into any national team in the world. pique is world class!

Aareonakakanfo:
The fact that players like boateng are the ones we now have to praise shows something is wrong somewhere? Even all these pique nonsense gan, na condition cause am. Once upon a time when we use to have players like puyol,terry,nesta,zanetti,stam,zambrotta,maldini,cafu. These days na dem boateng and pique we gats manage smh. Boateng will probably be playing for QPR in these guys era

you can only beat what's put in front of you. it goes both ways. if zidane, nedved, michael owen, figo, kaka, cannavaro, shevchenko, weah, etc all played in the era of messi/ronaldo, they would never have won a ballon D'or.

SIRcumalot:
Anybody that watched chelsea in jose first stint with the club can link chelsea dominance to the brilliance of JT,makelele and Carvalho.

jose built a defensive side. any idiöt in that settings would thrive. gallas, paulo ferreira, wayne bridge and even robert huth all fitted perfectly into that system. the system was the success, there's not one stand out performer in that chelsea squad in 04/05 season.

Can you say the same for barcelona with pique and Co
Is pique the main reason why teams don't score barcelona ?

pique was the reason we didn't best barca in 2009. we laid siege on barca in the first 10 mins and pique snuffed out waves of attack after attack particularly from ronaldo. we shoulda gone 3 goals up before barca scored!

I am not beyond reason,
I have toned down my rooney love when faced with reality and I admitted that silva was the better player.
Pique is overrated.

pique is overrated? maybe his medals are overrated too. people tend to undervalue the job players like pique/puyol do in that barca team. a team where 8 of the players are attack-minded.....do you know how difficult that is for the CBs?

Aareonakakanfo:
Pique and ramos are better than him

bwahahahahahaha

not a chance!

SIRcumalot:
Is it the old john terry we have now you're referring to
Or the JT of old ?
Now who is biased.

there has never been a time john terry was better than pique. there has never been a time terry is better than ramos or even boateng. which yeye terry?

barackohandso:
Pique is a world class defender anytime anyday. Critics can't continue to hide under Barca and spain's brand of play to discredit what he has achieved in football. He's won 3 UCL for crying out loud and he did it being an integral member not a bit-part player. Once can be termed luck but thrice? Nah it's special

the same fools consider terry, kompany and zouma world class defenders. i dunno why some people have eyes and yet cannot see......

Aareonakakanfo:
To start with, are we judging based on form or overall? i.e what they can do on a good day. Going by the emboldened, does it mean if chamakh is scoring 5 goals per match and messi hasn't scored in the past 10 games, we'll say chamakh is better since its current? Not to say boateng hasn't been consistent but him being the best CB? Hell NO!

mention one defender better than boateng as we speak.

Aareonakakanfo:
I don't want to believe coogar actually said that. He was probably joking, we all crack jokes and people misconstrue our jokes

boateng is currently the best CB in the world. pique follows closely and ramos is rated 3rd. you have others that range from flash in a pan to one season wonders to the has beens and the overrated featherweighs!

airmark:
I am enjoying this. Boatank better than sergio ramos coogar will never disappoint. Where is aareonakakanfo? Now, i am updating my list of sensible man utd fans and stvpid ones.

stop mentioning my name in your idiotic musings......

TheNonce:

See my guys honours abeg......
Club honours:
Manchester United
Premier League: 2007–08
FA Community Shield: 2007
UEFA Champions League: 2007–08
Barcelona
La Liga: 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11,
2012–13, 2014–15
Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12, 2014–15
Supercopa de España: 2009, 2010, 2011,2013
UEFA Champions League: 2008–09, 2010–11, 2014–15
UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015
FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011
His International honours with spain:
FIFA World Cup: 2010
UEFA European Championship:2008, 2012
UEFA U-19 European Championship:2006
His Individual honours:
La Liga Breakthrough Player of the Year:2008-09
La Liga Best Defender: 2009-10
FIFA FIFPro World XI: 2010, 2011, 2012
UEFA Champions League Team of the Season:2014–15
UEFA Team of the Year: 2010, 2011, 2012
ESM Team of the Year: 2010-11,[60]
2013-14, 2014-15
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament: 2012
La Liga Team of the Season: 2014–15!


But still he is "local government class" to some people? Abeg make una park well! You must be learners!

he's local govt class but wait for it......john terry & jamie carragher would be considered world class by them.

SIRcumalot:
Senna was a midfielder, and ramos started as a RB.
Even if we wan nitpick Puyol used to be a rb too.
How many scoring chances do they get when one team average like 60% possesion per game.
Pique is lauded for his size,superior passing skill and technical ability and rightly so but when it comes to actual defence he is average at best.

pique + puyol = euro 2012
pique + mascherano = UCL 2015
pique + puyol = world cup 2010

the only common factor is pique.....and yet he's average? heaven knows what he would be like if he's not average....

SIRcumalot:
Which led ?
Is it solely by his effort that spain achieved that feat or their brand of football ?
We've seen great defence carry their team and we've seen spain we know what part of the team deserve praise.

the whole team deserve the credits. don't talk like teams don't get scoring chances against spain. do you know what it means to go through knock out stages of the biggest international football competitions without conceding? abeg, leave matter....

pique is super-elite. one of the best defenders of his generation. we would all miss him when he retires. lay down his medals and he has more meaningful accolades than clubs like chelsea & arsenal. are you kidding me?

Spain is very short on quality CB
Ramos former RB I won't be surprised if Javi Martinez convert to CB full time.
pique is the overrated one here.

they aren't short at all.....
they have pique, marchena, ramos. before then they had puyol, senna, raul albiol, etc how are they short on CBs? germany have more CB problems than spain.

larride:
Sergio Ramos is better than both Pique and Boateng.

ramos isn't better, he's just more aggressive. he's the one most likely to cop a red card amongst the trio. technically, he's the least talented amongst the 3......he often cops a red mist that makes him unpredictable & thus uncontrollable!

chrisley024:
Thiago Silva is better than all for me.

nah, he's crap!
brazilians are the most overrated players in the world apart from wayne rooney. pique had cristiano in his pocket as far back as 2009......pique was only 22 then. abeg, make we no dey biased for here......

every united fan wished pique had stayed instead of tolerating intellectually sterile fools like jones, evans, oshea, brown, etc back then. smalling is the only potential we have since that time & there's still a lot for him to do before he gatecrashes the echelon of the elite defenders....

SIRcumalot:
Silva,benatia,Godin and Chiellini I'll pick cahill before pique.
And am sure I can think of more.
I don't see any reason why these choices makes me Bias.

silva - crap
benatia - boateng's inferior
godin - flash in a pan
chiellini - decent but comes short when you need him the most.

pique led the spanish defence that didn't concede a single goal in the knock out stages of world cup 2010 & euro 2008. in that period, pique ate muller, klose, balotelli, robben, sneijder, RVP, etc like guguru.

PietroRico:
First it was Dayo and his boatank propaganda, now these laliga fans want to follow his trail with pique... Can't say I blame them though

the top 3 defenders in the world are....

boateng
pique
ramos

only a biased football fan would say otherwise. these are the elite defenders who consistently perform for club and country.

cococandy:
You started by saying I don't know what bum shorts look like.

i'm quite certain of that.

Lesson don't quote anyone to the contrary when they are saying the same thing you're saying.

we are not on the same page on this one. you said nothing a child wears should matter. i said some kids often wear things that aren't appropriate and i blamed their mothers for dressing the kids indecently.

Since we both agree that anyone who considers a child's dressing as sexy is a borderline perv.

we agreed on that quite alright......
however, the issue here is being inappropriately dressed. i and many others don't see the kids as being provocative or sexy. we just see indecently dressed kids!

raumdeuter:
Na true o.

I dey wonder what could be attractive about Greece(A country in super recession) to pataki if not for those helpless Syrian underaged girl

By the time he gets back to Holland he would be on the Continent sexual deviants lists

nor mind pataki....

england are the kings of winning shït qualifying groups.

6 wins and 4 draws for the 2014 world cup qualifiers (31 goals scored, 4 conceded). the 3 lions still went out at the group stage at the actual world cup. pataki should stop getting his panties wet over these lads. an english team that has rooney in it will never go past the q/finals.

cococandy:
Yea but I wasn't referring to you when I said I don't understand why anyone would consider a child's dressing as provocative because I know you didn't say that.

So how did we end up here?

were you not the one asking me what provocative means? madam, have you been drinking some white wine today?

raumdeuter:
O tun wa igbo ati ashana de Greece. Werrey gidi ni bobo yi o

Obo ni werrey nfi shengen pali do

If e sure for you put your money on top am. When Euro reach now, Pound Sterling go turn to Naira kobo

We no get time for qualifiers na real tournament we dey gun for

God help you go nack woan wey those Greek gods don lace with magun. You would crow in Greek

pataki don enter greece?
now i feel sorry for those female migrants from syria. pataki would slaughter them
like lambs.

cococandy:
Coogar abeg Wetin be provocative?
Isn't it sexually provocative abi it's another kid of provocative we are talking about?
Let it not be that there's another social meaning to provocative and I'm here contributing blindly without knowing what y'all are talking about.

That's the only word that I had a problem with since it insinuates that kids can be sexually attractive. I don't see anything wrong with calling for age-appropriate dressing for kids.

As for inappropriate if you read my first post you'll see I already agreed some things look inappropriate on kids as it does not show their true age. So we kind of past that you know.

i can't remember using the word provocative to describe scantily dressed kids. the only thing i said was the mothers of such kids are highly irresponsible.

darkenedrebel:
He said voting would last till Sunday and refused to declare me winner, so I deleted my verse.
he declared himself winner. ..but we all know it's dubious .. We would rematch after the tourney

christ!
don't rematch him.....you would still get the same outcome. FYH got the same dosage of treatment with kim. he's a dubious character and gone are those days when you have to beat kim to be respected. there are now plenty of textcees around better than kim.

darkenedrebel:
Why you like to dey lie like this.. This thing no be freestyle. .. Why didn't you flip?

so what happened to the brawl?
who won it eventually?