₦airaland Forum

POTUT:
@coogar,

Okay, you are not in touch with reality. I clearly understand.

You are used to getting taxed and enjoying all those amenities you mentioned. Have you asked if Nigerians and Lagosians in particular who are also taxed (Lagos rakes in the highest PAYE in Nigeria) are enjoying those same amenities? They answer is 'no', they aren't enjoying those amenities. You see how out of touch you are? We all want to enjoy amenities here in Nigeria and get taxed, not get taxed and enjoy nothing.

lagos rakes in the highest PAYE in nigeria and they are also the most populated(always remember the population in your assessment). it's the single most important factor in lagos as the amenities and resources cannot cope with the 15 million population. the number of heads in lagos alone is more than the population of 3 west african countries put together. if you want improvement in the basic amenities - taxes have to be introduced.

back to the PAYE issue you mentioned. i don't see how the government can provide the amenities you so crave when the workers fleece the government with "ghost workers". in my opinion, it's the government paying taxes to these unscrupulous people who milk the government dry. who are the people creating ghost workers? every year, the government finds out there thousands of ghost workers collecting salaries for x number of years. do you know the implication of that?

There has never been a plan to reduce the number of toll plazas. Where are you conjuring that from? You are clearly not being real.

between lagos and ibadan back in the days, there were 3 toll plazas. later it was reduced to 2.
is that reduction or increase?

How is this spastic? What was the purpose of repaving 2 lanes and adding a third? Was it not to ease congestion? So why do you think some citizens wouldn't want to avoid congestion by getting on the tolled lane?

they wouldn't want to avoid the congestion now because they would pay for it. nigerians don't like paying any extra especially when they know there's an alternative route free of charge. it won't worth their while to pay.
besides what happens on the day there's no congestion on the repaved 2 lanes? the tolled lane then becomes useless, won't it? then the purpose of setting a toll plaza would have been defeated.

can you now see how spastic the idea is?

So anything government asks us to do is right and we must do it? Even when it can't stand reason?

you have not been doing it for 51 good years - see how the rebellion has turned nigeria to abu dhabi
nigeria: the best country to live on the whole planet.

Are you really in control of yourself? Or your runaway asylum mentality is?

irrelevant questions to the topic of discussion.

you have a duty to be responsible and forge a better future for the coming generation.
this is your chance to contribute your quota otherwise posterity would judge you.
you are where you are presently because the previous generation did nothing. don't follow suit!

nateevs:
Well that one's one fine piece of punditry. Very tempted to side with you.
I will wait for some more games though. . .

i guess we should wait but juan mata is setting the league ablaze.

this is also mata's debut season whilst silva struggled in his first season at city.
i would wait till chelsea visit city - if mata obliterates city's midfield again then it would no longer be a myth. . . .it would be a fact!

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=822395.msg9752255#msg9752255 date=1323731228]do you get 3 toll gates within a space of 20 kilometre abroad on a popular district ?[/quote]i don't. . . . .but at the same time every working citizen pays taxes. no ghost worker scheme to short-change the government.
on top of that, motorists pay road-tax and they sometimes pay @ toll-plazas if they use their roads.

Why should lagos motorist pay tax when they are already taxed at work ? You care to answer

the tax you pay at work is quite different from road tax.
you pay road tax for using good roads devoid of pot-holes, poor visibility, hoodlums and lighting.

what greater good ?

no more death-traps.
less visits to your mechanic.
reduced crime rate on our roads
proper lighting for good visibility at nights
proper maintenance of that road by lcc.
less traffic &less time of travel.

what of the state generating more money from toll gates at the broader of the state rather than in the state ?

at the border, you mean?
of what good is that one? the lagos toll-gate was eventually removed after it failed to serve it's purpose.
lekki/eti-osa environs represent the elite in lagos. it's probably the most congested strip in the whole of west africa.

let it serve as the 1st experiment, if it works there then toll plazas would spread across the state.

nateevs:
I won't go that far. Your saw the stats on Sky Sports just before the game kicked off.

Silva before the game had created 43 chances and 8 assists.
Mata before the game had created 35 chances and 7 assists.

but skysports did not say the number of minutes it took each player to cop the chances/assists.

mata - 13 appearances, 953 mins
silva - 15 appearances, 1170 mins.

POTUT:
It is VERY UNFORTUNATE that some Nigerians will sit in the US and anywhere else they have been lucky to get asylum to make comments from a pathetic perspective.Here are the FACTS for you diasporans to digest before running off your mouths,

the facts mean shyte to me as far as i am concerned. one of the reasons nigeria is so shyte is the irresponsibility of the citizens.
i am used to getting taxed and enjoying the benefits on the roads, electricity, hospitals and other basic amenities. i see no reason why the same methods cannot apply back home.

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[li]That two-lane 80 plus kilometre stretch from Mobil Building to Epe existed as at the time of Jakande in the early 80s.[/li]
[li]As the decades came, population grew and that whole stretch grew into a dense residential area with estates sprouting on both sides of the stretch and a few businesses (relative to residences).[/li]
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[li]Congestion on the two-lane road became the order of the day everyday. Danfo drivers and huge construction trucks attending to the Lekki Free Trade Zone made it worse.[/li]
[li]Tinubu borrowed money and awarded the contract to expand the road to LCC (a company many still believe he has stakes in.)[/li]
[li]LCC added only one more lane to the existing road, repaved the existing two lanes and built horrendous death traps in the name of roundabouts.[/li]
[li]Over a 20 kilometer stretch of the road, which is still unfinished as we speak, LCC has mounted THREE toll plazas. Only one of the plazas is functional at the moment, the other two should be functional within 2012.[/li]
[li]One directional trip for a sedan car will cost N120 (one hundred and twenty naira). Twenty bucks more than the traditional National toll of N100. When the three tolls start working, a family sedan will pay N360 to go to work, and same to return, for those who start from the end of this 20 km stretch[/li]
[li]The quality of this road is questionable, given the many uneven surfaces and acute approach angles to the roundabouts (I still wonder where Tinubu and Fashola's sense of planning where applied in approving roundabouts instead of overpasses. The 3rd roundabout at Mobil Station has already relapsed to congestion because of its strategic location[/li]
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all these points are barking without biting.
your state government has asked you to pay. pay up or shut up.
lagos motorists don't pay road-tax, do they? and you are complaining?

Now, where in the world is a 20 kilometer stretch tolled 3 times?
Why didn't Lagos Govt. ask LCC to toll only the new lane and leave those who don't want to pay to suffer the congestion?
Why are there no alternative roads all the way?

toll the new lane? who would use a tolled lane when there's a free lane?
what a spastic idea!!!

Please consider these sincerely. I support the notion of tolling in a private-public partnership if this will only involve one toll plaza, but not 3 over a 20 kilometer stretch.

Who is really behind this evil?

they have to start somewhere. . . . . . .
in no time, 3 toll plazas would reduce to 2 and eventually, 2 would reduce to one.
it's for the greater good. endure the pain now so your children would enjoy the benefits later.

nateevs:
I didn't see if he got the Champagne. I heard his comments though.
Portuguese Kevin Keegan! Ha! How did I not even remember that?

Wait till Ibime shows up!

ibime would come up with his long-winded tales by moonlight that villas-boas did what he had said 3 weeks ago about chelsea.
chelsea's midfield coped very well with the array of stars man city lined-up and they did so without fat frank who covers 400km per game.

i think we can simply lay it to rest now that mata is a better player than silva.
or is my assessment premature?

coded guy:
Exactly!!!

I have been reading the arguements since and just think i will go with your conclusions. Those guys let Fergie down Big time.
Considering the fact that almost all the key midfielders were either suspended or injured. Fergie had to make do with what he had hence the trio of Jones, park and Giggs. truth is that is not a formidable midfield by any standard, but we still expect them to get the job done against a team like Basel, regardless of the result of the first leg.

We have played players outer position before and gotten away with it as a result of them stepping up and getting the job done. The players that played that day were strong enough to have gotten the job done, they let everybody down, especially Fergie. thats my take.

i hope you know he had fletcher and gibson on the bench? those are natural midfielders. why play a team with no natural midfielder?
giggs is not a midfielder. park is not - neither is jones. fergie's selection wasn't the best but let's assume gibson/fletcher are not match-fit for argument's sake.

the match that got me hyper was the old trafford game against benfica - when he rested hernandez and rooney.


[quote author=Mr_TA link=topic=716327.msg9751862#msg9751862 date=1323726865]2 points. Over to you SAF. [/quote]2 points gap created by a spastic referee.
without demba ba's farcical penalty, city and united would have been tied on the same number of points.

i expect arsenal fans to send massive emails to skysports so that they can start talking about yaya toure kicking juan mata and slapping him.
hopefully, toure can cop 3-match ban for an unsporting behaviour. arsenal would breathe easier without toure this weekend.

nateevs:
Is AVB still useless? He probably still does not know what he is doing.

portugese kevin keegan?

ibime is a tool. the work ramirez put in there today is beyond lampard even in lampard's prime.
what a work-horse and he's bound to improve at 23.

lampard came on - scored a penalty, did nothing afterwards and won the man of the match??
i saw him and geoff shreeves but i am not sure he got the champagne - did he?

Eko Ile:
It's already been established that nigerias are only interested in awoof.
We hear the same crying and yelling about paying too taxes, where they expect the state.too get money for roads and other services from I don't know.

that bushman's mentality has to change. a lot of nigerians need to go back to school and learn that state governments are not magicians.
the money they spend are taxed from the people. in a sane world, the rich even get taxed the more to cater for the poor.

The way I see it, the Lgs should be taxing their own locals too raise money for local schools, roads, clinics and other services while the state tax everybody for state roads, universities , bridges and other state projects.

exactly!
a situation where chief okoro owns 20 jeeps and he would not bother about the several pot-holes on his street is irresponsible.
they should introduce road tax in that part of lagos. owners of suvs should pay more.

We should also have funds created with taxes of maybe 1 or 2 kobo on everything we buy, maybe even on petrol like they do in the US and other countries. They build and support their highways with taxes from petrol.

absolutely! this is why i think fashola is too nice. in his shoes, there would be a public purse
motorists would be taxed on petrol. i would put cameras on the some major roads on the island to hook over-speeding drivers. i would also introduce road tax.

Bottom line, somebodys got to pay someway somehow. Nigerians just need to get real and forget about awoof, it's time to start paying for what we crave and use.

excellent point!

hercules07:
LCC already asked those who live in the areas to get special tags, they will not have to pay more than once even if they use the road ten times in a day, try doing that with the FG on that Airport road that is tolled, you will pay every time you pass through that and I do not see anybody complaining. People need to pay the toll so that the roads can be done better, a guy called in saying how the LCC guys towed his vehicle for free on that road, do you guys know how much towing vehicles charge in Lagos?

they have done that and people are still complaining?

debosky:
You mean Savic or Kolarov? They have no hope against Walcott's pace.

kolarov!
he's a beast. he won't even give walcott the space to run into.

debosky:
The boy is sheer class - he has terrorised Citeh!

So Walcott won't get a chance to annihilate Clichy?  

bad news for arsenal. . . . .it would be that kovac guy and that dude would murder walcott.
in a game like this, ramirez is very useful. he travels with the ball to break lines. very useful tool to have in a team.

what's your opinion of mata vs silva.
i think mata has outplayed david silva tonight!

clichy red card. . . .

and ibime would tell us ramirez is not a good player!!!

juan mata is a bastard!
what a player!!!!

clichy is really getting sodomized by sturridge.

chelsea should isolate clichy a and let sturridge deal with him.

BlueDiva:
Shambolic defence as usual.

Thank God for DS. If only he would be less selfish.
It will take some supernatural intervention to win this.

if sturridge had made the decision he made tonight in the past 6 games, chelsea would have beaten arsenal, liverpool and qpr with huge margins.
when he decides to play for the team, he can be good.
the sturridge of last week would have blasted straight at the keeper from an impossible angle.

nku5:
@ coogar - subsidy ke? That's not happening and you know it.chei na God save u I am using my phone. Wetin concern lcc and resident? The problem is that nigerians have been so deprived that some things excite them when they should not. A governor who cannot allow a road to be built without "leasing" it for 30yrs needs to be asked serious questions.

why can't it happen?
lekki residents belong to one housing estate or the other. have the cars registered with lcc. get a special tag to be displayed on the wind-shield of the registered vehicles so if others are paying say 100 naira, residents would be paying 50 naira or thereabout.

debosky:
Sturridge cleaned out Clichy like dirty laundry.

debosky, are you watching this match?

sturridge crosses and meirelez scores!

sturridge, can you now see it's good to pass?

villas-boas looks like juan mata's father.
the resemblance is shocking!

mukina2:


wicked boy

lol see meireles  

what was terry doing that far upfield. the moment he knew he wouldn't get the ball, he should have fouled aguero.
he allowed aguero to turn n deliver a killer-pass to balotelli.

dayokanu:
Yebariba swagaa swagaa

Thank Gid lampard isnt playing

but terry is. . . . .the culprit getting attracted to aguero and leaving a massive gap @ the back.

nku5:
@ coogar - I'm browsing with my phone so there's a limit to what I can post. You say you live in that axis and I can assume you're very well off and don't mind paying average of 250 naira to go in and out of your house (if you don't live too far from lekki phase 1). You must understand that its not about people moving to lagos, there are lots of indigenes of eti-osa area who are against it for two reasons , one they can't afford it and secondly the principle is on its head. How can an elected official sign an agreement of that magnitude in secret.

residents that are motorists should simply ask for tags or tabs on their windshield
obviously, the residents should get a subsidy!

balotelli scores!

john terry is such a useless defender!

eros:
No need to get worked up, trust me you will wake up one beautiful morning and find your beloved toll gate burnt to ashes. Then all these ranting and shouting will be over.

Problem solved.

and the government would simply build another one and double the toll-fare. how is this a problem?


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Dartford_Crossing_Toll.jpg/800px-Dartford_Crossing_Toll.jpg

the picture above is the toll @ dartford tunnel in the uk. for a period of 2 yrs, i used that road every working day and paid for the luxury.
and what i paid excluded road tax and the normal tax from my wages. up till today, motorists are still paying to use that road.
the governments of developed countries are not magicians. all the money they spend to put the place together are taxed from their citizens.

if nigerians adopt this method gradually(instead of always expecting the government to serve them a plate of rice on their dining table), the country would be a much better place to live in. as a lagos resident, i would trust fashola's government enough to put my token in any of his toll plazas.
his excellent record speaks for itself.

Eko Ile:
@ coger,

You are lecturing these losers for real.

Im enjoying your posts.

it peeves me when some nigerians cannot think out of the box and you would find out the people complaining the most are not even yorubas.
the non-yorubas migrate to lagos for better lives and they demand what they dare not say in their states of origin.

people should realize lagos is over-populated. how that state works baffles me. the amenities are seriously overloaded because people won't stop trooping in. ask these people to pay to enjoy better services and they complain - because nobody has asked them to pay in enugu, ebonyi and bayelsa.

if those places are that better, why not relocate back and leave lagos alone?

debosky:
Rumour has it that AVB has 'told' players to celebrate goals with the bench to show unity. . . . .Boavista is either the most insecure coach in the world or he wasn't held by his mommy as a baby and needs frequent hugs.

shut up your mouth. . . . .there was a reason he said that.

his celebration was criticised by alan pardew @ st james' park. pardew felt some of villas-boas goal celebrations were over the top in the technical area and villas-boas then said maybe the players should celebrate their goals on the bench to nullify the impression that he's showing off.

eros:
Oh boy!!! You have completely lost it. So a mere road is a luxury   It is my right and every Nigerians right to ply on good roads without paying toll for it.

yes - using a mere road in that part of town is a luxury. seeing that most roads in the country are death-traps, haven of daredevil robbers, poor lighting, etc. of course, you need to pay for the services of that road. nigerians want their government to model the government of developed countries and yet the citizens of nigeria don't want to model the citizens of developed countries. how does that work?

Men, some Nigerians really need psychological help. I can't even argue with you because you just fall my hand by that statement.

if you don't think using good roads is luxury then you should sue your teachers. with a good road, you don't have to wake up that early, your car gets less visits to your mechanic and the time of travel generally becomes shorter. all these things are luxury fashola's government is asking you to pay for.

pay up or shut up!

musKeeto:
You could have modified your 1st riposte,

Thanks for confirming you are a waste of time. You just keep running around in circles, and when finally cornered, you throw a decoy. Just like you've done now. You got found out, you don't read posts, you're just a troll and you don't have the modesty to limit to just one section. Users in other sections are beginning to realise you are a waste of a username on nairaland. Why not find something to do, instead of browsing gadget sites, memorising iphone specifications and deceiving us you use them e.g claiming you listen to a 1000 songs everyday, that's the equivalent of 50 albums (if each album has 20 tracks),

spoken like a true homoerotic peasant you were born to be. . . .
what is so out-of-this world in listening to a thousand songs a day? i don't live a sad, uninteresting life like you do. i am not poverty-stricken as you are. lying that i use the 4s even after tumababa and coogar exchanged i-messages on this very same section? you are a tool and you would die a tool(heaven willing).

Get a life bro, maybe change your profile pic, did your mom not show you love? She only let you suck one Bosom? Rubbed bitter leaves on your thumb so that you'd stop sucking? Your dad hit you on the head twice to demonstrate 1+1=2? Why harbor so much hatred for the world and yourself?

you are the spermhead your mother should have swallowed with a bottle of courvoisier. that she allowed it to swim upstream, flagellating to the ovum might be the worst mistake in the history of humanity. now that we have you on our hands - you have become a problem to extinguish because of the human rights act. i can only pray you get shot by armed robbers so you can spare us your misery.

2012 is coming. If the mayan calendar is right, you've got 12 months to dump Siri and get a real babe, experience the world and learn to love.

and you have got 12 months to dump your galaxy s2 and rid yourself of the absolute rubbish device you brag about. be positive.
believe you can come out of your poverty bracket and join the echelon of the elite. stop surrounding yourself with failure. what exactly is your problem? do you need a job? do you need money? are you handicapped, perhaps with a criminal record?

To each his own problem. At least, I've done my best to convert one fool. It's your choice to accept words of advice. This would be my last reply to you. I'd rather argue with more reasonable and logical people.

you cannot even convert a minute to seconds and you think you can convert your impoverished life?
muskeeto, this is not the life you ordered. if idiocy is a felonious crime, you won't get a death sentence - you would cop a death paragraph.
in my whole life, i have not yet seen so much idiocy stuffed in one individual. surely, i have seen more intelligent silverback apes in london zoo.

Kobojunkie:
People here are requesting what makes sense, but some thugs feel it makes sense to shoot governors from 30 years ago,

you have made several senseless remarks heavy enough to sink the titanic. the lekki tolling is a very correct decision.
the problem with you and most nigerians is the fact that everyone wants to live in lagos by force even when their income does not fit in. if you want to use the lekki road, pay for the lekki road and the state government shall maintain that road until they can think about building an alternative route.

that to me is logical. for the ones whose finances would collapse because of the tolling. they should move out of lekki to go n stay in the suburbs.
with that, the pressure on the road would lessen and the government would have much less to do maintaining the road.
everyone cannot stay in lekki.

and the people, because they demand their tax money [/b]entitle them to alternative routes before the one route that has been available for them for 30 years be tolled.
Now that I think of your suggestion, would probably happen if the Government did such here. 

what useless tax do lagosians pay? abeg. . . . .don't even go down that route. nigerians don't pay any tax at all with their devious schemes and tricks they use to defraud their own government. [b]i make 100,000 naira a month and my tax is 20,000. this looks pretty on the eye and the general idea is that the state government keeps the 20,000 but the reality in nigeria is i have created 5 ghost workers to recoup that tax in four folds back from the state government.

in other words, it's now the government paying me tax, not the other way round.
if i were fashola, i would put a toll-plaza on every road in the lagos island environ.
lagosians want to enjoy good roads like the other developed cities in the world - then let them pay through their noses for such luxury!

karl max:
So mr coogar so fashola adding one lane of road from lekki phase 1 to chevron is enough to mount 3 toll gate on a road without viable alternative road. a road jakande's government built from V.I to epe for 30 years is that your idea of development they would have built a new road linking in and out of like and mount there toll no one would have complained if dat had been done but the theives want to rip where they didnt sow very funny

it is enough. . . . . .he should mount 5.
3 won't produce the cash to construct another alternative route in time.
do nigerians pay "road tax"? are there congested charge area on some lagos roads?

fashola is too nice for lagosians.

eros:
This is the problem with Nigeria and Nigerians we talk too much and do nothing. The Lekki tolling is unacceptable and a problem to Lekki, Epe and other residents.

SOLUTION: Gets some able bodied men and burn down the damn tolls.   Problem solved.

And Fashola can lick my back side, along with his thieving advisers seeking to milk Lagosians dry.

the seeds of nigerian women!

musKeeto:
You don't even read, you just argue blindly. The quotes I posted are from the same thread, you goblin.

you miserable sod!
all you kept doing is lying to yourself your archaic samsung s2 is better than i-phone 4s until i put you to the sword.
the most idiotic thing is you have not even seen the 4s. . . . .your comparison was with i-phone 4 and you felt 4 and 4s are the same device.

when your mates were learning logic in school, you were busy chasing trapping rodents in the bush.

nku5:
@ coogar - do you live in that axis?

of course, i do!