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Wilgrea7:
yes Sir. after i made this post i actually did some research on evolution and creation.. i must say... i don't totally disagree with evolution .

I believe in micro evolution(small changes over time). it happens and it has been happening. but I've not seen any basis or proof for macro evolution(large changes over small period of time). i believe in creation. the created species can evolve (micro evolution) over a specific period of time due to environment and climatic factors.. but saying our complex universe came from a mistake... a bang of nothing... I've not seen any proof whatsoever.. if u have u can share.. I'm ready to learn

I think you're wrong about the definition macroevolution, there. It is simply microevolution over a long period of time.

If man evolved from ape, why do we still have apes.

Checkmate atheists. /s

At least, theists get GODzilla.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

KingEbukasBlog:
Who decides if logic was murdered ? You ? I mean you ?


I thought you were joking , you really want to compare History and biology as regards to the methodologies that can be used to determine if an evidence is substantial or not

Nah, it's just a comic satirizing crappy creationist arguments.

You know, like when they say that God didn't create the stars after light but just regulated in relation to earth and off-the-wall bullsh*t like that. You know the type, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_fact_and_theory?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C2301186425

Let's not debate this.

KingEbukasBlog:
Then the bible is true and Jesus is God

Thank You !

Once again you've murdered logic. I cannot even begin to argue.

KingEbukasBlog:
Micro -Evolution a fact , macro-evolution isn't .

Finally, a chance to post this satire comic. Thank you!

EDIT: Picture didn't show up as I'd 've liked it to. Posting the link instead: http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2703

Some Nigerian guys must be fashionistas considering how deep in the closet they are.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/14/gay-porn-pakistan_n_3437529.html

gaelllic:

And thus shalt thou make it: The length
of the ark shall be three hundred cubits: the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty
cubits.
- Genesis 6: 15 (Douay-Rheims)

300 x 50 x 30 cubits =

140 × 23 × 13.5 metres =

43,500 m³ (1.54 million cubic feet).

I believe that's equivalent to 522 standard American livestock cars ( for train transportation)

each of which holds up to 240 sheep.

They and every beast according to its kind,...
Went...
into the ark,

-Genesis 7: 14 & 15

Species belong to larger biological groups called 'genera' ( singular - 'genus')

This is similar to the meaning of 'kinds'.

E.g. Horses, donkeys, zebras and giraffes all have a common equine ancestor.

Coyotes, jackals, wolves, and all dogs have a common canine ancestor.

Remember that these events took place at the beginning of the world, and so it

was these ancestors of your 3 000 000 species which were rescued from the flood.

Remember also that there was no need to take sea creatures (obviously).

Redo the maths and you'll find it fits - with more than enough room for food and drinking water.

Funny that you believe animals can split with such diversity from a common ancestor in a few thousand years but cannot accept evolution.

kevoh:
Interesting link. Going to Bookmark it!

That's okay, just take some time off work/school.

Religion is like a work of fiction. When I watch Star Wars, I'm not trying to look at the science behind intergalactic travel or lightsabres, I'm just trying to watch a good movie and be entertained. This is known as 'willing suspension of disbelief' (WARNING: That site Will Ruin Your Life).

Religious conditioning encourages that sort of thinking. It's usually called 'faith'. With faith, people are just supposed to take things at face value and have a good time or risk spoiling the fun.

hopefulLandlord:
lol

that cancer gave me this thread

Just viewed the thread.

I think the major problem is that moderates would quickly speak out to clear Islam's name once things get violent while at the same time implicitly agree with the reasoning behind the violence.

The fact is that there were no Christians, Jews, Buddhists, or atheists in that angry mob, or in ISIS for that matter, but don't let me digress.

The point is this, these extremists are a bigger threat to what you claim type religion is about than any islamophobe. So don't ignore the problem or shift the blame.

Ranchhoddas:
Ditto for religion. I concede that upbringing is a major factor in one's choice of religion, but at the end of the day grown-ups get to choose. You chose to leave didn't you? Why then do you think you are smarter or wiser than those who have chosen to stay?

How much of a choice do you really get? Indoctrination, like I said can cause a person to hold deep beliefs in matters. This, coupled with the fact that most religious tenets are not to be questioned or changed, isn't exactly going to produce an open mind in that area.
Isn't that what faith is all about?

That's exactly why we see people trying to twist the words of their holy books in a bid to for them into reality.

I'm not going to answer your accusation, it's baseless and unfounded.

Ranchhoddas:
I can also say the same for kids with atheistic upbringing. They are not given a chance to evaluate religious. They are brought up to regard it as unecessary and irrelevant. How is this not indoctrination?

Of course atheistic indoctrination is a thing. There are a lot of atheists who practise that, but atheists are by no means monolithic. I, for one, would raise my child without religion; he/she can later make that choice once mature enough. The problem is that indoctrination is intrinsic to EVERY. SINGLE. RELIGION that I know. True or false?

felixomor:
My brother this is my field.
There are only 2 stages of devt. in utero.

One embryonic stage
and One fetal stage

I dont know how many other fetal stages u r trying to teach me again.

Moreover, that U see a carbon copy of me somewhere at one particular moment doesnt mean I have the same DNA with that person as a matter of fact, that can never happen.
Nor does it connote we have same ancestors.

And the picture he posted is false in both cases, right? Where is the fraud here?

felixomor:
This one has been debunked long ago.

A man fraudulently drew fetuses of different animals to look alike and use it as argument for evolution.

It was a desperate measure, but has been debunked.

Here are the real things, what they actually look like versus the fraudulent diagrams u there.

No similarities, to be honest.

You say his diagram is fraudulent. Yet you bring one that only shows one foetal stage. The test ate early stages of embryonic development.

Christian al- taqiyya?

Ranchhoddas:
So wetin be the point of this thread now? Your lack of 'conditioning' makes you smarter?

That's not what this is about. We know what childhood indoctrination can do to a person (see ISIS, Boko Haram, etc.)

All OP is saying is that it creates bias in the child's mind and hinders said child's ability to make informed decisions in the future. The worst aspect of this is that you can make a child believe anything whatsoever through indoctrination.

Have you been taking blue pill lately?

The fact that childhood indoctrination is such an important part of most religious shows the poverty of said religions.

The total absence of fact proof is the reason why it is best peddled to the vulnerable; whether they are young children, bereaved, indigent, life the like. That seems to be the best time to sell your religion. This type of thought conditioning borders on emotional abuse, especially when practised in children.

But that's the world we live in...

KingEbukasBlog:
Your source can also serve as evidence for progressive creationism .

Just hold on , I'll provide evidence for advanced tech during the ancient times soon .

Till then, I guess.

KingEbukasBlog:
There is no solid proof of macro-evolution bro . We know macro-evolution is a rational assumption . No one saw any ape like being transforming into man .You are only assuming it did .I wonder how you look into the mirror with the belief that the way you share the same ancestry with a creature kept for entertainment in a zoo . Sickening !

There is surfeit evidence of advanced technology during the ancient times .

Man, just stop. If you define macro-evolution honestly, then there's plenty of evidence.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section5.html#speciations

We know it's possible. So you should provide evidence as to how people had such technology in the B.C. period but nothing like that shows up in recorded history.

I can clearly see that your problem with evolution isn't rational, in your own thread, you told Christians not to accept it because Jesus can't be an evolved ape. You tried to appeal to my pride by questioning how I can believe I share common ancestry with the ape. Our beliefs have no effect on reality.

I'm waiting for your evidence.

KingEbukasBlog:
I've addressed this before .

During the early times of man ,the fallen angels who were cast down from Heaven dwelt with man - they revealed 'forbidden knowledge' , instigated different religions , all were caused by the rebellious behavior and rancor they have against God .



These rebellious angels have now inveigled men to hanker godhood with the belief that accessing the gateway will make them attain a spiritual level like God - " a name for ourselves" .

Man was not primitive bruh .

Is this what you eschew modern scientific fact for? Your personal theological headcanon?

Your stories are not validated by reality. They aren't even validated by the Bible. Where is the evidence of prehistoric technology?

You reject solid proof of evolution when you can't even give solid proof of the epic fantasy series you've come to with. Sickening!

KingEbukasBlog:
You are proud in your ignorance . The Towel of Babel was not built to attempt to meet God in the sky , it was built to access a portal to Heaven . Remember Christ also ascended into the sky . It's all about the portal . Look up of what Babel means - Gate of God . And portals are scientific or magical gateways that lead to other locations or dimensions .

Recondite knowledge isn't meant for parochial minds bruh .

Why don't look up the meaning of the word 'tower'? Guys who hadn't even invented toilet paper yet wanted to build an interdimensional portal?

It's funny that people want to make laws based on beliefs that border on fan fiction. No matter how you slice it, the things you are saying have no basis in reality.

KingEbukasBlog:
This issue has been addressed so many times . But if you have photos and videos of how the universe was formed right from the very start that would be nice

https://www.nairaland.com/2305535/dealing-misconceptions-10-things-bible#33598108

And I'm supposed to take that seriously, right? Your pathetic attempt to twist the words in your Bible only goes to show the amount of mental gymnastics you go through to maintain your belief.

Because I own up to my shortcomings and try to improve on myself.

Gerrard59:
Ignorance 101 being displayed.


There's absolutely nothing wrong with GM crops or foods. Even Nobel laureates have said there's no scientific evidence that to show anything wrong with GM foods.

Organic? Yeah....... Use that to feed 200 million people.

Finally, someone who understands.

What is this? What the hell is this?! GMOs are safe to eat, and this debate has been laid to rest a long time ago (among credible scientists, at least). Their safety has been affirmed by every major worldwide health organization.

Research shows us that GMOs make up at least 70% of the feed for hundreds of billions of farm animals, year after year for 29 years with no negative effects.

Source: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2014/09/17/the-debate-about-gmo-safety-is-over-thanks-to-a-new-trillion-meal-study/#2395e842ca93

Here are 1,783 different scientific studies affirming the safety of GMOs:
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.3109/07388551.2013.823595

Now don't get me wrong, genetic modification is neither inherently safe nor harmful but rather, a tool that can be utilized for good or for evil. Regulation and scrutiny for each individual case is necessary but fear-mongering is not. They would prove to be an important tool in feeding the ever-growing world population.

4kings:
lol, any contribution?

I came to learn. I don't really know the nitty-gritty of pantheism.

Surprisingly good thread.

CAPSLOCKED:
ISLAM IS THE MOST PEACEFUL RELIGION, TRUE.

Moderates vs extremists.