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hahn:
The moral of the story is "always carry food when travelling. Or at least have money to buy one. Do not be broke like Jesus"

This story also shows us that God hates figs.

[quote author=Deicide post=49080701][/quote]When they ask us why we always talk about their gods. To me, it's like their admitting that their beliefs have no basis in reality but telling us to be silent about it just to preserve their fantasy.

smite:
they're discussing best ways to indoctrinate and imprison the mind of that smart kid.

that is infringing on his human rights!

To be honest, I wasn't expecting so many people to agree with me. You have no idea how happy this makes me. I'm happy that people are finally seeing things this way.

EyeHateGod:
I m asking U Na ain't U the one that said vacuum is noting? Forgeting that only applies to Matter so bro what is Energy?

It's just a transferable property, not anything tangible.

shadeyinka:
This is wrong Physics bro!
There is energy-mass duality...no vacuum energy

Wut.

EyeHateGod:
What do U think energy is?

It's not a thing, is it?

shadeyinka:
Did I say Quantum Mechanics proves the existence of God? Heisenberg Uncertainty principle was the issue I was speaking about: Nothing is Exact!

That concerns momentum and position.

EyeHateGod:
Something can never come out from noting! But energy vibrating at the right frequency forms matter I don't know where U get the idea that that something came out from noting

That's vacuum energy, bro. It occurs in empty space (nothing).

shadeyinka:
Can something come out of nothing? According to my elementary Physics NO!. I hear from the labs that the fundermental "particles" are quarks if I am not mistaken.

Quantum Physics actually proves that science can never be exact. There is always the probability of the Physically impossible taken place. in that Rhelm is GOD.

The more you try to measure Him in the laboratory, the more Elusive he becomes.

Maybe you should try to understand a concept before using it as a tool in your argument.

Quantum mechanics are actually very well understood. If scientists were wrong about one part, everything would fall apart.

It is also predictable, which is why we see theoretical particles being confirmed as real. The major constraint in its research is the fact that it occurs in such a small scale (how do you magnify a photon?).

So, no... it isn't proof of a creator. Sorry to disappoint you.

KingEbukasBlog:
CoolUsername ! You dey cop out eh ? But you have to apologize for the false accusations and admit you distorted facts and presented specious arguments .

I'm getting tired of this argument. I provided the Wikipedia pages for both of the religions. Yet you still repeat the same thing with NO citation whatsoever.

Lennycool:
See the contradictory statements you theist make, you reiterate that nothing can come out of nothing, yet you believe God came out of nothing because he is eternal. Is that logic?

Science is ask about patterns, can something come out of nothing? Yes, it can. We observe this in quantum mechanics with virtual particles. Can complex structures come from simple ones spontaneously? Yes, we see this in the development of crystals and molecular self-assembly.

Now can a complex system come from nothing without going through simpler phases? I'm afraid we are yet to see that.

KingEbukasBlog:
One of the doctrines Confucianism centers upon is ancestor worship – which has to do with the veneration of the deceased ancestors whose spirits are believed to control the fortunes of the descendants. So this means that your suggestion that it could be atheistic is wrong .

Confucianism has a little similarity with deism . It's doctrine suggests that man can improve morally and ethically leaving no room for deities - it does not reject deities . It just believes that man's abilities to become better or improve are innate and does not require any intervention of deities .

In fact , the Chinese always believed that the spirits of the ancestors had to power to control fortune of their descendants .This explains why they are superstitious - execrable as seen by atheism - even though they are officially an atheist state currently .

So yes , I thought this through and its obvious as per the title of the thread .

You've got it mixed up. It encourages encourage respect to ancestors Chinese folk tradition is the one that talks about outright worship. And I never said it was atheistic in nature but agnostic. I said that adherents could have been atheist.

Confucianism and Taoism are only concerned with self and the universe. Just the way a Tai'chi student may focus on chi and stuff.

Also, superstition and atheism aren't mutually exclusive. There are
Atheists who below in reincarnation, Karma and even spirits.

The fact remains things at dating atheists didn't achieve anything in the Medieval Era is erroneous.

KingEbukasBlog:
Kay17 , CoolUsername If you believe in any of them , tell us why ? If you don't , your reasons .

I don't, simply for lack of evidence.

KingEbukasBlog:
Flaws ? Where ? Distorted facts ? I hope you understand the words you are using . I recently discovered that most NL atheists dont understand the meaning of some of the words they use .

I am still waiting for the achievements made by atheists - not agnostics , not non theists - during that period of time .

I modified the post.

Anyway, It's incredibly disingenuous to say that. You are shifting the goal posts. There would obviously have been atheist Confucianism practitioners as Confucius himself didn't preach about any god or divine revelation or afterlife. But of course now you want to pick your words.

You didn't think this one through, bro.

KingEbukasBlog:
Religion stops you from thinking , religion does this religion does that yet for 1000 years they achieved , nothing absolutely nothing .

Even coolusername tried vindicating the atheists but failed . I guess he is not cool anymore

I like the fact that despite the flaws in your argument and the distortion of facts that you presented that I pointed out, you still dishonestly say things like this. Really shows your narrow-mindedness.

[url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucianism?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C4694789899]Confucianism[/url] and [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C7832996352]Taoism[/url] are clearly non-theistic. China was able to flourish even with most of its major religions not believing in God.

KingEbukasBlog:
Enough with the circumlocution , are there putative ancestors . Yes or No ?

Of course, I'm giving you the evidence to show why they are in fact, putative. All of science is based on peer review and experimentation.

KingEbukasBlog:
I do . A strong one in fact - putative ancestors . Assumed to have existed and we've cartoons as proof . Wow!

It really isn't. Genetic sampling denotes common descent. Animals of the same species can breed to form viable offspring. But for the very fact that animals of different species but of the same family can - although with great difficulty - breed to give (usually non-viable) offspring gives credence to the theory that they must be recent splits from a common species.

We also both know that saying this theory is based on cartoons is incredibly erroneous, it's almost like you're just coming up with any excuse you can muster. Anybody can walk into the Smithsonian Museum to see fossil evidence for themselves. Everything is up for scrutiny, evolution of horses, man, birds, the branched hair ( precursor to feathers) preserved in amber, you can see all these if you want rather than repeat the same mantra.

KingEbukasBlog:
What do you think it is ?

An hybrid of Bible and science that suggests that creation didn't happen at once. I'll just like the details, and evidence supporting it.

KingEbukasBlog:
Good Lord ! I've had enough ! Having arguments with you and your ilk is so enervating . Just tell me the achievements atheists made during that era biko .

I just mentioned China's flourishing culture, genius.

chidex101:
Yes! Just imagine ur feelings after the act. Just imagine ur biological father seeing u while u perform the act to talk of Almighty God who sees everything. Ur body is a temple of the Holy Ghost and as such anything that defiles it is a sin. There is overcoming power in Psalm 23.

I don't sh!t in front of my biological father. Does that make it wrong?

Watch in this thread: the rare moment where adults discuss how best to indoctrinate an impressionable young child.

KingEbukasBlog:
For fossils of animals thought to have existed for millions of years to be very difficult to find , says a lot

Funny that you still argue against evolution when you couldn't even come up with a decent argument against it.

What is progressive creationism by the way?

promise10:
This is just HIS IDEA! WHAT HE THINKS AS WHAT IT SHOULD BE and NOT SCIENCE!

To avoid making science to look like a religion, just try your best to stay away from what people think or say about something, STAY WITH WHAT YOU OBSERVE.

Or do you have any REAL evidence for what he said?

I am waiting.

This is an incredibly inept argument. There is a ridiculous amount of evidence supporting these claims. There is great fossil evidence supporting these claims. You can go to the Smithsonian Museum and SEE the for yourself.

All you do its sit back and project the shortcomings of your own reasoning on science.

KingEbukasBlog:
I'm not trying to do anything , you are the one making those assumptions and attempting to force me to agree with you . The point is , they were not atheists - how does this elude you or are you being disingenuous ?! I mentioned Jainism because it is atheistic and its not of European origin - you were fixed on Europe .

I am giving you ideas to assist you with providing answers to the thread . And you are just getting it all wrong or feigning ignorance .

This argument has come full circle. The non-theistic people were on par with their theistic counterparts.

So, why are you singling the Jains out Taosim and Confucianism aren't theistic in nature? Are you doing that because you feel they are a less successful culture?

China flourished in non-theism but now you're trying to add them to the list of theistic traditions. Why? That's what I'm calling you out for. Your post was uninformed and now you're just dancing around.

Another horrendous post by someone with no knowledge of people's minds.

We live in less than 30% of the third smallest planet in the solar system. There are billions of solar systems in the Milky Way galaxy, billions of galaxies in the Universe. There is absolutely nothing that any single person can do that would have an impact on up to 0.1% of the universe. We have life spans that sum up to less than a blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things.

But it is all we have. All our friends and family, our memories, likes and dislikes and legacies exist in this tiny area that we have. That is why I feel that we should all live life to the fullest rather than wait to die. We should leave out footprints on the sand of time because you are only truly dead when nobody remembers you. This view helps me to appreciate the little opportunity I have to positively impact others to the best of my ability.

The OP here is playing on the arrogance assumption of man that he is the centre of the universe when in actuality, he is outnumbered and has existed for a shorter time than ants (who will probably outlast us).

The bottom line is that we are made up of the same stuff that stars are made up of. We are already part of a larger machine that will last for billions of years.

KingEbukasBlog:
I never assumed such - they were religious . They were not atheists that's why the thread wants to know the achievements made by the atheists . Stop obfuscating issues here !

You singled out the Jains as atheistic but are trying to shoehorn Confucianism and Taoism into theism, because they are religions. How does that make any sense? Obviously shows that you're deliberately twisting the facts.

KingEbukasBlog:
I never said scientific achievements , I said prominent achievements . And I never conveniently skipped anything - I clearly said Africans had the Moors who were Muslims .

So how did they achieve more than others?

CAPSLOCKED:

WE WERE TRICKED BRO..

No, no, no. That would have been impossible. For it to have been faked then the following must be true:

The US:

1. were willing and able to expend untold billions of dollars more than they were ever officially allocated on smoke-and-mirrors attempts;

2. were smart enough to fool 99% of the population (which some would contest);

3. were simultaneously stupid enough not to cover their tracks;

4. had the technological and film-making ability to actually fake the moon-landing footage;

5. were able to pay off and silence thousands of people people working at NASA and other companies for forty years when they couldn't even pull off a simple burglary;

6. were able to pay off and swear to silence the Soviet Military (and its intelligence directorate, the GRU) during a period where the Red Army, its budget, its personnel, and its material was subjected to intense and ongoing analysis by its enemies(the Communist Party and the KGB) without arousing their suspicions, or paid off and swore to silence all three factions despite the natural inclination of all three to seriously humiliate their mutual enemy;

7. and either persuaded the Soviets to destroy every record of the deal so thoroughly that no trace of it remains in now-declassified Soviet archives, even though the Soviets had never bothered to do anything of the sort before ( on the grounds that their country would endure until the end of human history and said archives would never be seen by hostile eyes), or have since bought the silence of The New Russiaas well.

I know that Mike Tyson may have torn your ear off but please listen to this. Man didn't evolve from the modern ape species we see today. We and modern aspires branched from a common ape-like ancestor. One modern specie does not evolve into another.

KingEbukasBlog:
Bro, you are not responding to my arguments - you are just making non sequiturs . I'm trying to show you that your claims are false . Are we talking about agnosticism or atheism ? I also mentioned Jainism that have been practiced ab antiquo - before and after the medieval age - and you conveniently skipped it .

You are the one who have no argument and you know it .

If Confucianism and Taoism are agnostic in nature then what makes you assume that all the Han Chinese scientists were theist?

Mentioning that I skipped Jainism makes no sense whatsoever because you also conveniently skipped the Hindus and all of Africa. Their lack of scientific achievement is consistent with their environment. It's self-evident.

You constantly misrepresent facts. Why do you have to be so dishonest?

KingEbukasBlog:
But the achievements made by the religious mind still got to us . Apparently no atheists made any notable achievements during that era .



I'm not making claims , its a known fact .

This should whet your interest , according to Isaac Newton :

Opposition to godliness is atheism in profession and idolatry in practice. Atheism is so senseless and odious to mankind that it never had many professors

This was just 100 years before the so called age of enlightenment and 200 years after the medieval age . This means atheism was well known within that period and this of course irritated Sir Isaac . He said : "It never had many professors " Meaning there were atheists quite alright but they were not many . And atheists are known to be outspoken especially about their researches and findings . So what were their achievements?



Please don't cop out . You called me out , so let's discuss this like real men . I dislike cowardice .

Not to mention the fact even when you mentioned the Han Chinese scientists, you failed to mention that two out of the three major religions practiced around that time (Taoism and Confucianism) were agnostic in principle. You just lumped 'em right in.

You really have no argument here, son. Debating people like you results in dead-ends and abandoned threads.

KingEbukasBlog:
Ffs stop talking trash ! I gave you names of outspoken atheists in the Muslim world as far back as the 9th century . There were also outspoken atheists during the time of the worship of the Greek gods . There were outspoken atheists in parts of Europe that were not affected by the Inquisition . The adherents of Jainism were atheists who practiced Jainism openly . There was also Asia and Africa . Please just admit no atheist made any achievement during that era and before then and stop making daft assumptions .

That's a pretty lame excuse. You know the nickname of the Medieval period? The Dark Ages. Not much was going on during that time (at least compared to periods before and after it). So you dishonestly picked that period to try to shame atheists, while still dishonestly claiming that the few great minds we had then couldn't have been atheists when we don't really have that information about it in the first place.

Maybe you should stick to your memes. I don't have the energy to continue this.

KingEbukasBlog:
Please respond sensibly next time bro , you are better than this .

You aren't really saying anything. You just assumed that every single person in Europe, China, and the Arabs who made any scientific stride was religious. How exactly did you know that? I told you that we probably wouldn't have known who was atheist because they'd most likely have been silent about it.

Instead of addressing or acknowledging that, you're just giving me a long-winded reply that completely misses the point.

You should at least think your shitposting through.

johnydon22:
I do not understand the hypocrisy you all exhibit when your religion is not victim.


supposing this happened to a christian, none of you here will be supporting it or saying the french government will be wrong to support the women, the man will be given names like

-Anti-Christ
-satan
-persecutor

and all nonsense and stuff but here just because the women are muslims makes it ok.

Hypocrites.

It's ironic that jesus argued against hypocrites, his followers ended up being the worst hypocrites on planet earth.

This is murky territory. We can't deny what France and other parts of Europe have suffered at the hands of Islam (terrorism, increase in tape cases, etc) but it is clearly wrong to discriminate against Muslim women. If for example, we say that catering services aren't allowed to discriminate against gay weddings then this act shouldn't go unpunished either.

You don't fight an opposing ideology with closed-mindedness and prejudice.

Unfortunately, religion is just another form of 'us vs them' way of thinking that won't allow people view issues objectively.