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jayriginal:
This ought to be in the autos section but I guess you posted it here cos you heard that Jesus and his crew moved about in one accord?

*applause*

virginboy1:
Why is it that insightful thread like this hardly hits frontage?

'Cause the mods tend to suppress atheist threads. Pretty sure they do it to maintain traffic.

Logicbwoy:
The lust for revenge can leave one full of hatred. But hatred is an emotion and we humans cant and shouldn't suppress our emotions all the time.

If someone killed your family member would you not feel like taking some revenge on the killer?


I have realised that many people actually take the moral high road on nairaland when it is easy. But in real life, they take the less moral road.


It is easy to be all moral online and say "no" to revenge but I tell you, revenge is a lust and it can be so sweet when you actually get your target.

True, but that's why we have laws in place. Very rarely would you see a black and white situation, the world operates in varying shades of grey morality.

We all view ourselves as the protagonist of the story. Hence, in a lot of cases you'll find that everyone genuinely thinks that he or she is in the right. Also, unbiased observation would reveal that most of the time, nobody is really a saint in conflict situations.

So if everyone starts taking laws into their own hands, society would fall apart.

Princewell2012:
Mmmmm, but they have also showed you some prophesys made by Christians that didn't come to pass

So what do you say to that?

Hmmm, if you must hold that as a ground to disqualify them, then Christians too needs to be disqualified, is that what you think?

Yeah. Pretty much.

plaetton:
Lol.
Look at what happened to those that praised god.

This is savage.

UyiIredia:
You are the one spewing nonsense, making claims of speciation where there is none. In your link for example changes happen but the fruit flies still remain so. Compare this to the speciation that change apes into humans.

Ha ha!

If you're conversant with the meaning of the term 'species', you'll know that for animals, the species line is drawn where two populations can no longer reproduce with each other.

This is why I say you should read a little about a subject before trying to argue for or against it. You are disappointingly inept in this subject that you argue so much against.

Read a book.

Joshuabase:
Follows my rule

Where the 1st term is a. The general of the sequence is as follows: a, 2a, 3a, 4a, 5a
Using the sequence that you provided: 2, 4, 6, 8, 10
a=2
Therefore we get, 2, 2(2), 3(2), 4(2), 5(2)
In my sequence: 3, 6, 9, 12, 15
a=3
We get, 3, 2(3), 3(3), 4(3), 5(3)

What about 3, 6, 9, 12, 15?

UyiIredia:
This is just crap. Species no matter how much they change remain the same. Dogs are still dogs and cats are still cats. In light of this manifest fact it is foolish to insist on common Descent.

I hate it when people make ignorant claims against experimental evidence. Speciation has been observed in the lab.

You can't come to a public forum and expect to spew nonsense without getting called out.

UyiIredia:
So sequencing DNA is observing evolution right ? Wrong. DNA sequencing assumes evolution beforehand. There's nothing about DNA sequences that shows a species begat another one.

The relative compatibility of genes across the animal classes are consistent with earlier assumptions that mammals share a common ancestor with fish.

We've seen countless examples of species undergoing great changes through breeding. (Eg: designer dogs)

Speciation, on the other hand has been observed experimentally in fruitflies.

So with this knowledge, it is easy to infer that over time, it should be possible for species to undergo divergent evolution, cross the species barrier, and still continue to undergo separate evolutionary changes over successive generations. We can then use DNA sequencing to find the closest evolutionary cousins.

UyiIredia:
This is a lie. Universal Common Descent can't even be observed in nature and it certainly can't be seen in the lab.

I said that evolution has been observed in the lab.

DNA sequencing proves Common Descent.

UyiIredia:
I have to say. It takes a special kind of stupid to believe in evolution.

For the umpteenth time evolution is not a belief but rather a hard scientific fact that has been observed both in nature and the laboratory.

I know you will still fail to comprehend that this time around and the only reason I'm even bothering to type this is for the sake of others.

0rex:
Why is it only the human specie that is affected by this homosexuality?

I am yet to see a he-goat mating another he-goat or hen or cow or ... If that doesn't exist then that affirms something really is wrong somewhere.

Just for your information, homosexual behaviour has been observed in over 1000 species of animals.

Source:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

IsaacBuchi:


That was a very good background check up.
They only thing you found out was to discredit them...Clap for yourself

Even Jesus disciples had false expectations or wrong understanding
Acts 1:6 'So when they had assembled, they asked him: “Lord, are you restoring the kingdom to Israel at this time?”

Your background check was too shallow & biased.....Do more background check up.

Phooey! This is the redefinition of success that I'm talking about. JW started off as a death cult that thought that the apocalypse was the next week. It wasn't until they're (hilarious) failures that they became what they are today.

They made prophecies that were demonstrably false. There is no honest way around that fact.

Back in my Christian days I used to respect the JW church, until I did a background check and found out that they were a bunch of loons (and not the good kind).

List of Failed Predictions:

1877: Christ's kingdom would hold full sway over the earth in 1914; the Jews, as a people, would be restored to God's favor; the "saints" would be carried to heaven.

1891: 1914 would be "the farthest limit of
the rule of imperfect men."

1904: "World-wide anarchy" would follow the end of the Gentile Times in 1914.

1916: World War I would terminate in Armageddon and the rapture of the "saints".

1917: In 1918, Christendom would go down as a system to oblivion and be succeeded by revolutionary governments. God would "destroy the churches wholesale and the church members by the millions." Church members would "perish by the sword of war, revolution and anarchy." The dead would lie unburied. In 1920 all earthly governments would disappear, with worldwide anarchy prevailing.

1920: Messiah's kingdom would be established in 1925 and bring worldwide peace. God would begin restoring the earth. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and other faithful patriarchs would be resurrected to perfect
human life and be made princes and rulers,
the visible representatives of the New Order on earth. Those who showed themselves obedient to God would never die.

1922: The anti-typical "jubilee" that would
mark God's intervention in earthly affairs
would take place "probably the fall" of 1925.

1924: God's restoration of Earth would begin "shortly after" October 1, 1925. Jerusalem would be made the world's capital. Resurrected "princes" such as Abel,
Noah, Moses and John the Baptist would give instructions to their subjects around the world by radio, and airplanes would
transport people to and from Jerusalem
from all parts of the globe in just "a few hours".

1938: Armageddon was too close for marriage or child bearing.

1941: There were only "months" remaining until Armageddon.

1942: Armageddon was "immediately
before us."

Source:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Jehovah's_Witnesses#Failed_predictions

But you know, when your prophecies fail... Redefine success.

HardMirror:
100% impossible to fake, except the pastor wants his fraud career to end prematurely.

Reason why I laugh at noise makers such as oyedepo, chris and tb joshua. They can boast and make mouth, all na lie. The can't pray a fly dead.

What happened when ebola was ravaging west africa?
Not a single man of god did anything about it. All they know how to do is lie and collect money fro their mumu sheeps.

I swear I can never respect a christian. they are just soo gullible. How can adult be this D_ft?
Once you tell me you are a christian, I immediately know how smart you are.

I can definitely see where you're coming from. But I prefer to dislike the idea rather than the person perpetuating it, because childhood indoctrination is the main method of promoting religion and is quite difficult to break out of.

Coupled with the fact that the nigerian system teaches us WHAT to think rather than HOW, a large number of people may never question their beliefs unless prompted.

But still, a reasonable adult should be able to see when someone is getting rich of him/her.

stonemasonn:
deep down no body really cares about the current chaotic state of things in the country, a typical Nigerian prays for fast and easy wealth so that he can own his house, a big generator and an American passport, with a large bank account we cares about phcn naira fall and fuel scarcity.

/thread. Let's pack it up boys! This is the main answer!

Because it can't easily be faked in front of people and placebo therapy won't work in this case.

KingEbukasBlog:
shut up engineer

bro you dont have to let us that your comment was modified .. lol

I make my modification process transparent to let people who may have already read my post know that a change has been made.

ATMC:
You are likely the ignorant one. This is because most living things came from dust and return to dust. If serpent eats dust, do not let your uninformed mind think it is the dust on your window panes.


Keep studying. Keep an open mind. It is important.

Weird, because the Bible clearly refers to flesh as 'flesh' in all other parts.

Your assertion sounds like mental gymnastics to me. I've always wondered why Bible verses suddenly stop being literal once they cannot stand the test of reality.

Joshthefirst:
That we are against each other in infinitely aggressive arguments does not mean we are against each other in progress bloda.

In the end, we want to see progress in this country all the same, whether I am a mighty tall christian like kingebukasblog or an athletic intellectual like johnydon22 or a little squirt atheist like Logicbwoy or a guarded feminist like kay17 or an old undecided man like plaetton or a troll like sonoflucifer.

Guess you're right, my pseudoscientist bro.

Edit: 'you're', not 'your'

Joshthefirst:
I support.


OAM4J, Lalasticlala abeg you fit move post from religion section wey go actually support mass thinking and pondering of nairalanders to front page?

Most of the religion section topics that make front page misrepresent the calibre of thinkers we have here.

I know that we're usually on opposing sides of the argument but this is a very solid post!

This does nothing to disprove evolution and speciation have been observed in the lab time and time again. It is a fact.

Also, when you start touting pseudoscientists like Ann Gauger to buttress your points, your argument loses respect.

Mysterious Ways™.

ElCount:
Firstly, no one was expecting the scientists to accept it was a footprint off cause they accepted that the trilobite was true and debunked the footstep. Totally expected from them.

Yeah, because scientists are known to be a dishonest bunch of people whose only agenda is to disprove God /s

ElCount:
Secondly, you say micro-evolution is the go to term for creationist when its actually the foundation and the only evidence evolutionists have of cause by attaching the time factor "...Billions of years ago, a the lions ancestor was a mango tree..." That's insane

The only insane thing is that you can't define the upper limit of micro-evolution. Sympatric speciation has been observed in the lab but creationists still term it under micro-evolution. Evolution is evolution is evolution.

ElCount:
Thirdly, I don't know what boundary you are asking for. Over time cockroaches get immune to a pesticide, but do you think they will ever get immune to a sledge hammer?. The limit here is that animals will always produce offsprings of thesame kind, we are yet to observe a lizard give birth to a bird and that's because its not possible.

This only shows how uninformed you are about this theory. Evolution never states that one specie would give birth to another.
That is a claim made by people who are either too ignorant about the theory of evolution or who, dishonestly misrepresent it in order to argue against his own botched definition.

ElCount:
I don't subscribe to radiometric dating cos it doesn't work.

Sure, you're only just implying that the entire atomic theory is off the mark, who knew? Maybe we just got lucky with the atomic bomb, and all that safe nuclear energy that advanced countries harness, and also all those delicate medical equipment based on radiation and electromagnetic waves. Who knew? /s

ElCount:
Collect a reasonable amount of sand sample, put it in a transparent jar, shake vigorously and allow to settle, it will definitely be in layers.
There are no erosion marks because it happened rapidly like in the little experiment above during the flood in the days of Noah.
The Horseshoe crab right, so what intermediary specie(s) whether living or fossil existed between a Trilobite and the Horseshoe crab, or did the Trilobite just sleep and wake up only to find out that its now a Horseshoe crab.

So how did the Kangaroos make it back to Australia, then?
I'm not sure if the Trilobite is an ancestor of the Horseshoe crab. I never implied that, I only said that the has a similar eye-structure. Once again, you're misinterpreting my words.

ElCount:
As for the DNA sequencing in a paternity test, Have there ever been a case where the test came out and the result said that the father of the child was a monkey or plant or bacteria etc? It always said that it was a HUMAN BEING
You seem to be pouring out what you were told in school learn to ask the right questions.
Read articles from scientist and christian apologetics and make comparison

You're not really following my argument, are you? I simply stated that DNA sequencing is based upon similar principles and knowledge as paternity testing.

And once again, once species doesn't give birth to another. If you are that ignorant on the theory of evolution, then you should read it up, rather than argue for or against it on internet forums.

KingEbukasBlog:
No Christian , I repeat no christian will commit such heinous crimes Christ against Humanity . Christ teachings forbids such evil

Once again, you've thought in a circle.

ElCount:
first of all whatever evidence you think you are observing in the lab is micro-evolution no one has any qualms with that fact, it is true and observable the evolution attached to it is just meant for deception to deceive gullible minds like yours because when they attach the time factor that's when they tell you macro-evolution will occur which till today has no proof whatsoever.

Secondly, the layer of sedimentary rocks you are talking about alongside the fossils is the geologic column. For your information that was assembled artificially by geologist and even at that its still not complete, you will think someone who claimed to be enlightened as you do would know that, I am not going to go deep into that but I will just ask you:
How did you know for sure that the Jurassic rock layer for instance is 70million years old, how did they arrive at that figure?
and how come in the geologic column if it was actually formed over millions and billions of years as they claim, how come there are no traces of erosion, don't you think the rain would have left some marks? Learn to ask the right questions.
I don't know what you mean by more complex fossils I personally don't believe in that. the Trilobite is considered an index fossil by the evolutionist and very ancient, how is it that such an ancient organism ended up with one of the most sophisticated eyes ever known? Perhaps you didn't know about that



Thirdly, DNA sequencing doesn't tell you anything about ancestors that's one atrocious logic common with evolutionists. The Niger bridge and the third mainland bridge are both made of iron, therefore the Niger bridge is an ancestor of the third mainland bridge that's how ridiculous you guys sound.
If DNA sequencing should tell you anything its the fact that "a common designer is involved who decided to use thesame sequence".

Scientist can believe whatever they want they are the ones coming up with the theories to avoid the God question so if they don't believe their theory who will.

The Catholic church believes in micro-evolution which is a proven truth.

Finally, take your own advice, the internet and all informations are at your fingertips make good use of them and stop paddling a boat in ignorance. Ask the right questions. You guys are the ones to always claim to be smart and enlightened but when you start talking ignorance starts oozing out of all your orifices.

Meanwhile below is a picture of a trilobite ur index fossil, and yes thats a human foot, apparently "millions of year ago" humans existed side by side with these trilobites

Firstly, that foot print is most definitely a [url=paleo.cc/paluxy/meister.htm]hoax[/url].

Secondly, micro-evolution is the go-to term for creationists for any observed evolutionary change. Unfortunately, they have failed to define a boundary between what we call 'micro' and 'macro' evolution, therefore every single evolutionary change observed in the lab or in nature is shoe-horned into micro-evolution. This is not honest science. Micro-evolutin is just evolution. They put the successive additive mutation of E.coli to absorb citrates in certain conditions as micro-evolution, they put the 3-decade change of Podarcis sicula from insectivore to herbivore after a change of environment as micro-evolution. So what are the defined limits of micro-evolution sir?

1. The geologic column is gotten by dating different igneous rock material present in each sediment.
2. Traces of erosion are not found in deep rock after years of compaction. But on the other hand, if there was a global flood (that some peple believe in) there should be traces of erosion. So why aren't they there?
3. Trilobite eyes were pretty, compound eyes like arthropods. I don't know about 'most sophisticated ever known'. The closest living analog we have today is the horseshoe crab. Shows a trend to me.

Once again we have another atrocious assertion here. DNA sequencing is used for paternity tests, but for some reason it doesn't show ancestral ties when it comes to evolution, right?

Use the internet, and don't only read Christian apologetics sites.

KingEbukasBlog:
The slogan "God With Us" ("Gott Mit Uns" ) was a holdover from the Weimar Republic days

I find it weird that he didn't change it. Coupled with all those quotes that you claim are 'before he became atheist', your argument is weak.

Whether he was Christian, or atheist, or whatever is immaterial. He was a crazy tyrant and whatever he did should not be used to dehumanize another group.

KingEbukasBlog:
These are quotes of him when he was a christian . stop the disingenuousness , you certainly know what I'm talking about

'Gott Mitt Uns' was on the Nazi uniform belt.

KingEbukasBlog:
Lol . Sorry bro ... I couldn't keep up with the falsehood . So many magical transformations . What about the putative ancestors of whales and Penguins

You're probably just going to pretend like you don't remember and ask the same silly question in another thread.

All these analogies are flawed, God never made direct contact with all his people, rather he over 4,000 contradictory messages through untrustworthy men and then expects you to first believe he exists (with no conclusive evidence), and then choose the right path.

That's a terrible dad.

KingEbukasBlog:
dinosaurs to cows

To birds, blogger.