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KingEbukaNaija:
Evolutionists have told too many lies to buttress their dumb theory that they dont remember which lie is for which . Have you read an evolutionist reasons for emotions , consciousness and cognition ?

They make bold claims - evolution-of-the-gap - because they feel that such thing did happen .

How did we gain consciousness - evolution

How did we gain emotions - evolution

How did we acquire morality - evolution

Why are men physically stronger than women - evolution

They'll start telling cave man stories no one ever penned down or witnessed as rational evidence for their claims . CoolUsername I'm still waiting for proofs for the putative ancestors of whales and penguins . I think I should add camels to the list

Nah, I'm done with you.

Even if I answer, you'll just ask all over again in another thread. Revaluate yourself before mentioning me because schooling someone over the exact same point over and over gets old fast.

KingEbukasBlog:
Hey bro . Aint we going to evolve wings yet . Can't nature see that there are exiguous amounts of airports compared to the population of man .

-_____-

Mind officially blown.

realmindz:
1. Look at the design of a watch, it's purpose is to tell time but every part of the watch was intelligently chosen to serve it's very purpose, the springs, rotor, hands, case etc...Each very part carefully chosen, even the material science behind the watch is so brilliant. This definitely did not come by accident but by intelligent beings "humans". same goes to more complex designs such as cars, aircrafts, washing machines, computers, etc everything were created for purposes from the simplest of its various parts performing various functions brought together to achieve a machine to perform it's specific purpose.

The watch analogy is flawed. This is because machines are not made from self-replicating material that is capable of mutation; thus, making them incapable of undergoing evolution.
Airplanes don't go through competition, or predation and therefore have no reason or means to adapt. How then can we use machines as a parallel to living organisms?

realmindz:
Now let's consider the tiny creatures like an ant can therefore be said to be carefully design with its various internal organs, external features, abdomen, head, legs etc all well designed and fitted to perform different functions, now a more complex being like humans, with digestive system, reproductive system, respiratory etc . Dear aethist could this have been an accident or coincidence...?

The short answer is yes. This is because, within a population, there would be competition. So, a beneficial trait caused by mutation has the tendency to snowball through natural selection. Furthermore, since irreducible complexity is a myth, (Lenski's experiment shows bacteria gaining a beneficial trait after two successive mutations) then the refinement of the complex processes of living organisms can be achieved through natural selection.

realmindz:
Man thus live on earth, provided with water, oxygen, land to live on, food to feed, sunlight etc. even the gravitational pull on man is just exactly the sufficient force required. could all these have been mere coincidence or an accident?

Man just happened to evolve in a world that contains water and land. Man is by no means the end product of evolution, but rather a single frame in the motion picture that is the Universe.

We are by no means perfect, or more advanced than other creatures: the cheetah is faster than us, a one-on-one fight between a human and a chimp would leave the human in a pile of blood, pain, and defeat.

Also, we can see that the world isn't exactly fine-tuned to human life. Over two-thirds of our planet is covered in water. Useless saltwater. Radiation from the sun causes skin cancer in caucasians. We lack the early warning system that a lot of animals seem to have when natural disasters are coming. Our sight is restricted to seven colours alone while some animals can see infrared or ultraviolet light. The list goes on and on..

analice107:
LOlzzz. I need you to show from the scriptures where you read that children are going to hellfire? Oga, kids are not accountable for anything. Their spirits simply returns to God. So, pls come up with another cheap blackmail.

So it's ok to burn them on earth as long as they don't burn in hell, right?

orunto27:
Confession of a witch

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Just get your [url=biblehub.com/judges/1-19.htm]iron chariot[/url] ready and you'll be cool.

JMAN05:
who said fiery death

Sodom was destroyed with Sodom and brimstone.

JMAN05:
The life of little ones matter to Him. but the account implies that if ever such ones exist, they were not judged righteous also, either because of there conduct or there unseen heart condition. Only Jah can judge better.

It is also possible that if those assumed little ones died cos of there parents influence, they would be resurrected as unrighteous ones to prove there case as it were. Jah is a just God.

How exactly can an infant be judged as unrighteous and worthy of a fiery death?

lepasharon:
Lool..yall need sarcasm detectors

It's a good idea to put '/s' after a sarcastic comment. It can be difficult to detect sarcasm in written text.

IAmTobore:
And fact that you choose atheism is disgusting!

You're no longer trying to make a point. Could it be that you've lost this argument?

DeepSight:
You mean a beacon of stupidity and thoughtlessness.

You're taking life too seriously, slack your tie a little bit , undo your top button, it won't kill you.

This is purely satire at its finest, they make arguments that would be as convincing as those of mainstream religions if they weren't based on spaghetti, pirates, strippers, and beer volcanoes.

IAmTobore:
You shouldn't be bothered by it since you say GOD doesn't exist.

That's the point.

The fact that you'll support infanticide based on a fictional story is extremely bothersome.

IAmTobore:
This is moronic. Anyway when you sue GOD and GOD finally appears at court, let me know. Since that's what you and your fellow wuss want.

Can't sue something that doesn't exist. But the fact that you'll support that kind of behaviour because of your religion is a cause for concern.

IAmTobore:
Well if he is the one that creates life, then I see nothing wrong if he takes it. Afterall it belongs to him. And point of correction, destruction of Sodom and Gomorah wasn't aimed at the children, so that doesn't makes it infanticide.

Unbelievable! You're just unbelievable!

So that makes it ok to just kill innocent children all willy-nilly? I guess it's ok then for an organ donor to just knife up the he gave organs to, right? Is it also ok for an egg donor to just elope with her child right?

Secondly, your second point is flat-out despicable, so it wasn't infanticide because the kids were just collateral damage, eh? That's just sick and wrong.

The point still remains that the god you're defending here killed a large number of innocent children when he in his infinite wisdom and power could have found a better way to go about it.

IAmTobore:
Did you understand what I wrote? Were the kids the only one there? As an atheist, do you beleive in the story?

I don't believe in the story. But I find it rather disturbing that an adult who believes in it would try to defend infanticide.

So if you believe that your god possesses the traits that I listed, then why couldn't he find a better way to deliver justice without affecting the children?

KingEbukasBlog:
Nwanna , it is either evolution or intelligent design . There are no other possibilities . Welcome to reality

What about 'unintelligent design' (ie: how you came about)?

DeepSight:
Good point. However the sickness of creating a "church" of Flying spaghetti monsters for the purpose of jocularly mocking a church of an alleged human sacrifice for the atonement of sins - and incorporating same, does transcend all levels of sickness.

Eh. No. You don't see these guys strapping bombs to themselves, or covering evidence of child molestation. They're just a fun-loving bunch. They're also a beacon for the maxim of equality in our world today you can't privilege one religion over another.

IAmTobore:
You don't have to insult me or my belief before you make your point.

The Angels never went there to destroy the city. Though that was their primary mission. But they had a change of objective when they met Abraham. And the new objective was "savage the righteous and destroy the wicked". If you look at the story, you will understand that the angels had only made contacts with LOT when things got out of hand. They never savaged anymore persons after LOT. LOT was also lucky to have found the angels, if not he would have gone down too. There might have been righteous people too amoung those that were destroyed with the city. But they couldn't be saved.

The city was destroyed with "lava rain" (a rain of molten magma). I don't see how anyone could have been omitted from the destruction.

Now let me ask you; are you saying GOD should have pardoned the city because of the kids?

I'm thinking that an all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving god should think of a way to not incinerate kids to death.

VomeSchakleton:
I rather not go to a website which whole name and purpose is to be subjective. Its one thing to cite and it's another thing to interprete.

Then go straight to their objective source and draw your own interpretation.

dorox:
I won't be surprised if the church building does not have a lightning conductor.

But.. But.. What about faith?

urahara:
It only makes that the prescence of delicious sphagetti in the world could not have come by chance .an omnipotent .omnipresent.omnigayhating flying sphagetti monster has to exist

BLASPHEMY!!!

Lord FSM isn't intimidated by homosexuality, His Noodliness accepts all!

VomeSchakleton:
lol! its a subjective and unreliable website, just like its counterpart. answeringchristianity.com

It cited the Sahih al-Bukhari, one of the six major hadiths used in Islamic mythology. Those are some really good sources, if you don't want to read the article, then go it's sources.

VomeShackleton, the argument has become rather wordy and difficult to reply at this time. But I'll still like for you to follow the sources cited in that article that I linked you to. It is what you may call 'a diamond in the rough'.

I haven't seen God but I've seen spaghetti.

johnydon22:
Hahahahahahahaha Don't worry na El Rufai things sure pass Person no go sleep for them again? them no fit praise am when it's dawn abi the praise go spoil?

Abeg who carry El Rufai number

Just dial '666'.

KingEbukasBlog:
To coordinate mental activities ?

At least to process and interprete stimuli.

I'm seeing a lot of morally reprehensible posts by the holier than thou Christians, this thread is a testament to the fact that religion is not equivalent to morality.

It also shows us the major shortcomings of the so-called 'perfect' judeo-christian god.

Finally, we can see clear examples of people who are far too blinded by indoctrination to see what is right in front of them.

Truly something, that these are the very same people that decry the actions of Islamic terrorists. That's compartmentalization on clear display.

There's no rationalization that can justify blatant infanticide but people would damn well try when their religion is the one under attack.

We seriously need to wake up to critical thinking in this part of the world.

VomeSchakleton:
That war was not about Bin Laden, it was about Sadam and the lie Bush sold that he had WMD. This actually made it easier for terrorists to recruit gullible minds.

Bush lied. But Saddam was still a mass-murderer and a war criminal.

VomeSchakleton:
This is a lie. The Quran never specifically. mentioned the age of the earth. we just know its very old, but the prophet has spoken of different species of humans that lived before us. You see it as vague, for me its quite clear, The Quran is a book of fact, whatever follows the fact is the true interpretation.

When you connect the genealogies that's what you get. But obviously you've abandoned that notion since it doesn't fit into reality.

VomeSchakleton:
i would like to know some of these predictions. predictions dont always rely on the authenticity of a theory. There are other factors involved.

Gravitational waves, discovery of neutrinos for starters.

VomeSchakleton:
Forget the media, forget the propaganda. no religion makes more sense than islam. if you were to bring all 4000 religions together, islam carries elements of all. This is because the Quran says, there is no nation in this world that wasnt sent a prophet.

I can't just take your word for it. This is exactly the same thing a Christian, a Jew or any other believer would say about the religion that he or she was born into.

VomeSchakleton:
Indoctrination? thats a pretty lame excuse dont you think.

If it was a lame excuse then why do we have people of other religions?

VomeSchakleton:
This is a blatant lie. The top ten countries when it comes to rape are,the US, SA, Sweden, India, the UK, Germany, France, Canada, Sri lanka and ethiopia. not a single muslim country makes this list. id like to see where you got your facts from.

It's quite simple, they don't get reported, because rape victims may get flogged (or executed for adultery) in a sharia court. Islamic honour killings are also
practiced against victims. There's also no such thing as marital rape in those countries.

VomeSchakleton:
Germany has the 6th largest cases of rape in the world. what in Gods name are you saying? i thought atheists believed in facts?


the facts and statistics say we have.

Ha ha! You just failed a morality test (or maybe you actually don't know).
When so few cases are actually reported, statistics may be misleading. Less than 15% of sexual assault cases in secular states are reported but it is even worse in muslim and similarly repressive countries. All the islamic laws and customs succeed in doing is preventing even more rape victims from speaking out.

Studies show that about 10% of Bangladeshi men have committed rape at some point. Over 80% of them felt that entitlement was the reason, more than half felt no guilt afterwards (women a subservient, remember?) And 95.1% of them experienced no legal consequences.

Should I talk about Pakistan, where village courts can prescribe rape as punishment? Or where customs dictate the marriage of the victim to the perp, or honour killings?

Or the child trafficking that's so prevalent in Saudi Arabia which they happily turn a blind eye towards?

Of course now you point towards official records when your Islamic laws have taken care of official records. But independent statistics can still attest to that fact. As an atheist, I encourage people to look at reality. Rape reports and actual rape cases are quite different.

VomeSchakleton:
how is that an excuse to act like a barbarian? can you please explain?

Simple. Create customs that force women to wrap themselves up "'cause men can't control themselves", when a woman then gets raped, she can be blamed for showing off her sexy collarbones and ankles.

VomeSchakleton:
lol! you're wrong, that was a hadith. and hadiths did not defend his actions, they were pretty straight forward and reportive. no hadith tried to say he did it because or something like that. please read up on facts before you make bs claims.

It was still well evidenced that she was 9.
www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Wood/pedophile.htm

VomeSchakleton:
which Quran? you think people need an excuse to persecute someone or something different? as a member of the black race, a race that has been persecuted throughout the history of human existence without cause, i should think youd understand.

Where Islam is predominant, atheists are treated as apostates. And we both know what sharia law says about apostacy.

VomeSchakleton:
unknown?

Afraid to turn your back on what you've been raised to believe.

VomeSchakleton:
sympathize with who?

You neglected to directly refer to them as terrorists. Which is what they are.

VomeSchakleton:
amend which law? there is only one law and that is the law of the almighty. anything else is man made mumbo jumbo, just about as important as the paper you use to wipe your as.s.

And this is exactly why sharia law has no place in the modern world.

VomeSchakleton:
The quran has no protagonist, jesus was mentioned more times than Muhammad. But a low life rascal is a person without ethics, or someone who has been blinded by the delusions this world is filled with.

Like a guy who takes advantage of children, right? I say yes, Islamic law says no.

Objectively, it causes both physical and emtional harm to the victims. Therefore objectively, Islamic law cannot be the yardstick used to determine who the low-life rascals are.

KingEbukasBlog:
I think plants could prove consciousness does not need a brain

Not a brain per se but it would need some form of analogous structure.

VomeSchakleton:
LOL! yeah sure, and Bush was looking for WMDs in Iraq. smh

No mention of Bin Laden, though?

VomeSchakleton:
I am intrigued by the big bang theory, as a muslim i always try to explain religion with science and vice versa, i focus on facts, not theories. The big bang theory is intiguing because there is actually a verse in the Quran similar to it but it is still an UNPROVEN theory.

“Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, then We separated them, and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?” (Quran 21:30)

this covers both the bang bang theory and the primordial soup theory. water is life, every scientist will agree with that.

Nah, it's just one of those vague verses whose interpretations change at will. You're telling me the Quran supports the Big Bang theory when it postulates that the universe is about 6,000 years old? Sounds more like the outdated Cosmic Egg theory to me.

Secondly, you should understand that the Big Bang theory has made several scientific predictions that have been found to be true.

VomeSchakleton:
the fact that i understand the diversity of thought and belief, which is in the nature of man is why i try to see the good in people, not their religious affiliation as i am sure Allah does.

“If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?” [Sûrah Yûnus: 99]



Quran 006:111

And even if We had sent down unto them angels, and the dead had spoken unto them, and We had gathered together all things before their very eyes, they would not have believed, unless Allah willed, but most of them behave ignorantly.

This is only a cheap cop-out to avoid giving actual concrete evidence. Your lack of evidence does nothing to put your religion above the other 4,000 religions from an unbiased point of view.

This goes to show you the power of indoctrination.

VomeSchakleton:
the niqab is not compulsory, but women are enjoined to cover themselves, just as men to a lesser extreme and to lower their gaze. Look at the horrors around you, rape is rampant, men hardly give women with hijabs a second look. It is in mans nature to be rash when it comes to women, Allah knows this, so he enjoined us to take these measures.

Oh please! Don't give me such bull! The rate of sexual assault in Central Europe is still less than that of the Middle East. The recent spike was, in part caused by islamist immigrants.

Some countries have no laws against public nudity and still have less rape cases (take Germany for example).

As you can see, these laws have done nothing to reduce rape cases but rather
has helped rapists by stigmatizing victims (they get flogged in some countries).

They hijab law is a product of man-children who can't control their urges and look for excuses to act like barbarians.

VomeSchakleton:
i think what you speak of is pedophilia. first of all, her age has been disputed. Secondly this was normal in those ages as not even his enemies kicked against this, Just like as recently as in medieval England, puberty is the condition for marriage. unless youre willing to admit every man who lived in those days is a criminal and a sicko. The christians who like to point to this should know that their god "impregnated" a 12-14 year old mary who was married to a 30-90 year old joseph. The atheists should also understand the importance of difference of standards and acceptability between ages.

Don't do this! You'll lose your credibility. Dolls are not allowed for pubescent girls in Islam, but she was playing with dolls which clearly shows us that she was a child.

Also, even if this was normal, you'll expect the all-loving God's servant to know better than primitive men and that paedophilia is both physically and emotionally damaging, won't you?

Besides, there's consensus that this didn't sit too well with all of his followers hence the hadiths defending his actions.

And don't give me that different standard thing, people are prosecuted or physically threatened for being atheist as per the instructions of the Quran.

Look, paedophilia is always bad, I know it, and I feel that deep down you know it too but are too afraid of the unknown to criticize your prophet.

VomeSchakleton:
That is the way you and the media choose to interpret islam. And the so called terrorists interpret it as such only they dont see anything wrong with that. But that is absolutely wrong, those who do that do it out of willful volition. Its like the Quran says, the truth is indeed clear from falsehood. shariah is more of a constitution than a political system. Shariah when it comes to vote is like a democracy to a lower extent.Not every lowlife rascal should be allowed to vote. Seriously, people are willing to vote for Donald Trump.

So-called terrorists eh? You sympathize with them right?

Anyway, when a sharia system is in place, is it possible for the people to vote to amend the law? Would it be possible to fairly foster diversity of beliefs that
you claim to admire?

Also, how do you choose who the low-life rascal is? Definitely not with an ancient text whose main protagonist was a paedphile warlord!

VomeSchakleton:
And johnnydon and i have a long history though he may not know it. He did something repulsive a long time ago and I do enjoy teasing him and calling him names but its just banter. I would never approach a gay person by calling him that.

Fine. You're right, I apologize for sticking my nose into your business.

VomeSchakleton:
what is misogyny? what is subjugation? what defines such terms? who defines them? the hollywood chipolata has truly bought into the deceptions and delusions of so called "morality". smh. i'm not one to be dramatic, but if only you knew.

No, the west is not Islam's enemy. You only see them as such because they do not hold Islam's contemptible values. You were born and raised a Muslim, so who are you to talk about indoctrination. Tell me Mr Vome, would you be defending Islam on this forum if you were born in Anambra state?

You've boxed your mind in from other forms of knowledge, you probably believe in the winged horse story (which has zero verification) but disregard the theory of evolution and the Big Bang that have a good amount of empirical evidence supporting them.

VomeSchakleton:
"Leave alone those who take their religion to be mere play and amusement, and are deceived by the life of this world. But proclaim (to them) this (truth): that every soul delivers itself to ruin by its own acts: it will find for itself no protector or intercessor except God: if it offered every ransom, (or reparation), none will be accepted: such is (the end of) those who deliver themselves to ruin by their own acts: they will have for drink (only) boiling water, and for punishment, one most grievous: for they persisted in rejecting God. (The Noble Quran, 6:70)"

"Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (The Noble Quran, 15:3)"

If God existed and wanted truly wanted us enough to save us
. In his infinite wisdom, he should have found a way to reach his unambiguously and not through several conflicting stone age myths. If he didn't want people to "drink boiling water" then he should have ended this debate about his existence a long time ago.

Once again the omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenevolent being has failed to live up to his name. This is because he simply exists in the minds of believers.

VomeSchakleton:
The Prophet Muhammad said, may Allah's peace and blessings be upon him: Your Heaven lies under the feet of your mother (Ahmad, Nasai).

A man came to the Prophet and said, ‘O Messenger of God! Who among the people is the most worthy of my good companionship? The Prophet said: Your mother. The man said, ‘Then who?' The Prophet said: Then your mother. The man further asked, ‘Then who?' The Prophet said: Then your mother. The man asked again, ‘Then who?' The Prophet said: Then your father. (Bukhari, Muslim).

This is definitely what "misogyny" looks like.

Misogyny looks like the niqab. Let me ask you, do these women get a say in whether they want to look like ninjas or not? What would be the actions of others towards them if they disagree to wear them?

Also, I don't think you deserve to talk about misogyny when your Prophet had sex with a nine year old girl. It is extremely hypocritical to try to put yourself on the moral high ground when your prophet is guilty of paedophilia. He's the indirect cause of most of the child marriages that occur within islam.

VomeSchakleton:
When we try to focus on the negatives of things, and we ridicule others believing we're better than them, that is when the real issue arises. I am a muslim, and i have buddhist, hindu and christian friends, their beliefs might strange to me, but i dont look down on them for that. Things appeal to people differently. No one is brought up the same way. I try to be peaceful as possible because the islam i was brought up with, the islam i fell in love with, was all about love, and peace and goodness. so what do we do? why try to focus on positives, not point out the what you perceive as unorthodox and shove it down the throat of others just to feel better about yourself.



"O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after [one's] faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers."


"Then shall anyone who has done an atom's weight of good, see it! And anyone who has done an atom's weight of evil, shall see it. (The Noble Quran, 99:7-"

This is true, I may look at a Muslim and stereotype him as a 'repressive pedo terrorist' and you may look at an atheist and think 'anarchial LGBT-sympathizing devil-worshipper'. This is wrong as is one of the shortcomings of human nature.

But let's look at this, there's something that Islam is guilty of: the Qu'ran has given rules on what to do to non-believers (as the newer instructions take precedence over the older ones) and we've seen how Islam treats different people of different faiths when it is in majority. Sharia law is basically the anti-thesis to democracy, it can't be challenged or regulated really.

If you're truly a tolerant individual (although I did see you shouting 'fa.ggot' to someone who supports the LGBT cause earlier in this thread), then you're drawing that part of your morality from outside your religion.