₦airaland Forum

That was expected.

Nobody invests in a volatile region.

Even more than their politicians, the northerner youths are the reason for the underdevelopment of the region. No thanks to religious intolerance and extremism.

NairalandHowTo:
Fact. By God grace they should be exposed one after the other just like the way an ipob member was caught parading as herdsman in Kaduna. All these monikers always finding way to post trash are paid 2 do so.



Cc: LionDeLeo

Were the atrocities of the murderous fulanis to be exposed, you would be blind to everything else.

caleboxylic:
Fulani are minority in this country. I have warned them to stop killing people in the name of trying to take over the indigenous people land but they didn't listen.
If care is not taken they will become endangered ethnic group in Nigeria. Very soon middle belt will explode.
I pray it doesn't get to that but I'm afraid.

It is happening already. The tribes in the middle belt are already tired. But this isn't even half of it.

Shebi they want lands, they'll die before they get any of that ever again.

kingdenny:
Someone needs to wake Lord lugard up from the grave. This marriage called Nigeria is not working. More reason why we need to sit together and discuss. Looking like it's proving difficult that we can be live as one
Maybe mr kanu was right after all

In truth, it's hard to live as one when one tribe views the rest as a a conquered people. Nations are built on equality.

As far as the Hausa/Fulani share the same country with us, this country can never be one. Because they see the christians as infidels and not deserving of leadership.

Grant them their Islamic Republic and chase all of them back to their region is the way out, if one wants a peaceful and United Nigeria.

tuniski:
At what or in what do christain chant? For all I know chanting is not a blanket christain thing so I won't expect a christain terrorist to be chanting in the name of whatever. More so, the KKK chant in christain slangs while maiming and killing. Expand your horizon and deepen your knowledge. Terrorism has no creed but it is in every creed!

But it it's 99% more in one creed than the rest.

calaway:
claiming another mans land killing women and children is the way of the fulani...a tym will mature when scenes like this will be seen all over your Nigeria.......fulani will be sought out and treated. mark my words even in the military....very soon

Don't mind them.

Touch them once and they'll scream blue murder.

They have always been emboldened by the security. Were it not for the security forces, those people would have been decimated a long time ago. Everyone is just tired of them.

HeroicMeastro:
So the Govt should have waited for the Fulani reprisals before stepping in? What an empty skull you are.
I am no Fulani but I smell deep hatred for the fulani here simply because they got the President who is also a muslim.
Shame on you haters!!

What wrong has the guy done to warrant such vicious attacks?

That was a harmless comment you quoted.

nonsobaba:
Allow hausa into your land and you will regret it for many years to come. They come to your land and don't want to obey the prevailing laws. There is a reason why Anambra state is the only state in Igboland where there is no where the hausas are given land. We chased the ones at headbridge into asaba, Delta state and the ones at amansea into ugwuoba, Enugu state. Look for the black goat while it is still day.

Thank you, bros.

You have said all that there is to say.

Those people do not deserve to be given even one ft of land in any place.

In the middle belt today, our hospitality has become a misfortune.

Thankfully, nobody sells them lands in Jos anymore.

Seeing how wretched they are, I am sure our forefathers gave them the lands for free.

Nowenuse:
I am from Plateau state, but widely travelled, widely read and knowledgeble about Nigerian demographics.

Yes, you and i would probably meet more christians from these places because we are christians whereas a muslim may likely meet more muslims from these places.

You know, we northern and middlebelt christians did not wise up politically early enough, compared to the hausa- fulanis and muslim groups whom their fathers chartered the political destiny of Nigeria from the begininng.

Our Christianity and christian doctrines was also a major setback to us politically, because we were meant to believe that politics is for the sinners and evil people and we christians are not people of this world, 'gidan mu a sama ne' whereas Hausa-fulanis and muslims were always taught that it is a taboo for arna to rule over muslims no matter what.

Another problem with northern and middlebelt christians was the emirate/indirect system of rulership where our people were forced under emirate rule by the british in connivance with hausa-fulanis.

Many of we Plateau groups were forced under Bauchi emirate, but luckily for us, our fathers heavily rejected this and we were removed. Some southern kaduna and Nasarawa peeps also rejected it but most did not and they were just getting their chiefdoms a decade or two ago.
So many/most non-muslim tribes in Borno, Adamawa, Taraba, Gombe, Niger and Kebbi states have not gotten their independence from these emirates till date.
Now, tell me why such people will not be heavily dominated when they are ruled traditionally by their opressors!

You can see that we have a lot of work to do!

Wow. This is impressive!

I am from Plateau State myself.

Your knowledge of history demographics is admirable.

There's a lot that still needs to be done.

Your perspective of the political aspect of things are great too. I am glad that Plateau State woke up as early as she did. And for some reasons, the only plus from the numerous ethno-religious crises that plagued Plateau further opened our eyes to their sinister agendas. At least the berom and Afizere people have stopped selling them lands, thanks to it.

Again, what's your take on Nassarawa? I believe they are Christian majority as well.

Nowenuse:
This is absurd! Mumuye people are not as illiterate as they were 30 years ago, all the mumuye youths i come across in recent years were educated.

Why did the godfatherism of TY Danjuma not make christians to dominate the Senatorship and house of represenatives of Taraba at the FG level? Rubbish!

I initially tried to indulge the guy, as he said to have lived in Taraba. Then I sensed that he is sympathetic to the Muslim cause, so I stayed away.

Nowenuse:
There is a hausa-fulani muslim population agenda in Taraba & Adamawa states and this agenda is to populate the areas with muslims from other states and even countries.

Can't you see that the governor sacked some fulani district heads in the state last year? What were they doing? They were busy allocating the lands of Taraba indigenes to Hausa- fulani immigrants from Zamfara, Jigawa e.t.c.

Originally, muslims were just like 25% or less of Taraba state, but now they are around 35% .

Gombe state should be something around 60% muslims or slightly less.
Fulanis are the majority tribe, followed by Tangale, Waja, Terawa, Bolewa and many other smaller tribes.

The Tangale n Waja are predominantly christians, Terawa are like 50/50, bolewa are dominantly muslims while the other dozen smaller groups like Banbuka, Pero, Cham, Wurukun e.t.c are predominantly christians.

And please, fulanis do not dominate Gombe politically, but muslims do, the current governor is Terawa by tribe and not fulani, the previous governor was Jukun pindiga by tribe and i think the first civilian governor was likely Bolewa by tribe, or maybe fulani.
Tangale or Waja always produce the deputy governor, deputy speaker, almost everything deputy. Lol

LOL @ everything deputy.

This is insightful. Thanks for taking the time to highlight these points.

I have always wondered what the situation is in Gombe and Adamawa.

I am well travelled and stuff, but I don't really know much about the two states in terms of their religious composition. Left to me, I'd think they are both christian majorities. Because I've had neighbors in the Army Barracks, friends, school mates, and whatnot from the said states. But about 95% of the people I know from the states are Christians. Even the ones I know from a muslim-dominated uni like ABU are about 97% Christians. So I've always wondered how come the Muslims dominate them.

Are you from Gombe or you reside there? That's so much knowledge up there.

Jiang:
Adults are talking, let me learn from them so i won't make same mistake.

Hmm, senpei tachi, arigato gozaimas, i will try & get married b4 25......hmmm maybe 30...ummu, thats it

So you be small boy like this na ehn you dey follow your uncle mates drag matter abi.

genieluv:
Nah, they are more than 25%, they could even be more than 30%, maybe 35%.
*** Half of Jukun jibu people (Jibawa) are muslims and they are the majority in Bali LGA. Many Jukun kona and Chamba people are also muslims.

Okay. Thanks for this.

Although I must that I'm a bit surprised that there are so many Muslims there.

I wonder if you know anything about Gombe State, concerning their religious composition that is. I tried to look the stats up but Google wasn't returning much info.

I know that Tangale are the majority there, most of whom are Christians, I believe. At least, all the ones I've met or know are.

Makes me wonder how come the Fulanis, who are said to be in the minority, dominate them.

Where are the Mambilla people when you need them?

But come o, don't they know the residences of the fulanis in their midst?

What the locals should do is this: visit fulani settlements and give them a word of caution like, "look, we know you are all one people, so we have decided that we would hold you responsible for any harm done to the locals."

They may not be the ones carrying out the attacks, but they know each other.

We must learn to hold someone accountable.

Ericaikince:
this Imo Ppl self the news I've been hearing from there is nothing to write home about... its like I go turn my NYSC down cos na there them post me go

No worry, dem no go look your way twice.

Corper no get money.

But beware of cultists.

oshe11:
This one they keep killing the cows n leaving the herdsmen


Is it dat dey av jazz or what



kill d fulanis n use their vital organs for moni or donate it to hispitals.....



That was hw I entered same bus with one Fulani on my way to the North, the guy just dey smell Mess enroute to North....


ALMOST FAINT DAT DAY, JST IMAGINE INHALING MESS FOR 13HOURS

Nope. Not jazz. It's just that when you attack the enemy, hit them where it hurts the most.

Fulanis value cows more than their own lives. Again if the Fulanis make the mistake of going on reprisals, it's the end for them.

Mambilla people are no joke.

FNG1:
Meaningful contributions is what suit your desire. Anyone who will come and detest Hausa/Fulani or Islam is meaningful to you.

Drive me out of the thread if you can.

I can't chase you out. That's why I am begging you to leave.

Thanks.

johnserek:
Great idea.

Thank you, bro.

FNG1:
Who supported Dogara into the house? It is the same Hausa Fulani Majority.

Another stupidity is juxtaposing herdsmen as Hausa Fulani.

Please eh, if you cannot make meaningful contributions, kindly stay away from this thread.

I don't want it filled with junks.

ZombieTAMER:
Op my problem have been the position of the middle belt in Nigerian politics
They tend to be quiet and in doing so empowers the core north to speak for them
Those of them who manage to be vocal ... All do so as pro north even here on nairaland

It's a good idea to call them back to their senses... Give them their lost voice and a good sense of belonging
They live in fear of the Fulani

So I endorse this association
Don't be fooled by the constant bickering between Igbos and Yorubas
It is because of excess love

That's the point bro. When you fail to speak up, it emboldens others to echo their opinions as yours too. When in truth, it's not so.

Our people are nice and kind-hearted. So they tend to overlook these things.

EazyMoh:
Thanks for the understanding, and am truly humbled by your accurate perception of the past and present situations as well.
Am glad you acknowledged that Sardauna and Tafawa Balewa never short changed the middle belt or minority Christians in the north. This point has been the greatest propaganda being peddled to further aggravate the crisis especially farmer-herdsmen by enemies of the north.
As you mentioned we ourselves aren't proud of our present day leaders.
Up till tomorrow the best leadership reference is always made to Sardauna and Balewa.
But what could be the solution?
It certainly can't be keeping malice to Hausa-Fulani as your thread is trying to do and align to the south to continue to fuel hare and division among people.
If our present crop of leaders aren't doing enough to find lasting solutions to our problems like ethnic and religious crisis. The best solution we have is to change them.
Instead of blaming only Hausa Fulani, Yakubu Dogara is Speaker and represent everything middle belt. What are people like him doing as leaders of middle belt to get to see that the rest of northern leaders find lasting solutions to the attacks......

Thanks for the kind words, bro.

Men like Aminu Kano, Sir Ahmadu Bello, Tafawa Balewa, et al, will always be a reference point for me. Those people make one feel proud about being a northerner. As a matter of fact, even if you weren't, they'd make you wish you were a northerner.

Sometimes, I listen to recordings of those men and wonder, "where did it all go wrong?!"

The truth is that there are men like that to this day. Someone like Aliyu Gebi (forget the fraud allegations), is a good example. Also, the north comprises over 70% great people who have no issues at all. People with potentials to become the next Aminu Kano.

Unfortunately, the presence of the about 30% bad eggs means that they may never voice out.

I don't know how you will take this, and don't get me wrong - as I am respecter of all religions - but the truth is that, some of the imams and individuals brought up on conservative Wahabbist and Jihadist teachings are the problem of the north. People often make the mistake of thinking it's the leaders. But no, the imams are who even the leaders are scared of.

Now, the imams see every interaction, every relationship between Christians and Muslims as haram. So, because they are worried that if allowed to fester for too long, the christians will liberalise and secularise the mindset of their Muslim fellows.

So in order to keep the Muslims "purified", they try to create enmity that doesn't even exist just so to keep them distant. I have seen practical examples of this several times, as I was born in Kaduna, raised partly in Yobe, schooled in Zaria, and have traveled to about 90% of northern states.

Because they see the Christians as unbelievers, they don't want arnaye mixing with believers for fears that they will corrupt their morals, which would cause them to become lukewarm towards religious practices.

Do not see this as an attack on Islam. I come from a muslim background myself. My grandfather is a muslim, while my grandmother was a Christian. There are more Muslims than Christians in my family, to be honest. On the other hand, my great grandfather was a pagan. I am saying all these so you get that I do not mean this as an attack on Islam.

When I was in ABU, I witnessed one professor order his child to get back into the house and not play with "yaran arnaye." That's how bad it has got.

The Christians don't much care about religion as such.

Now, this has brewed mutual suspicion amongst the people.

About people like Dogara doing something about it, there's only so much he could do. Kano and Jigawa states alone have more members in the house than about 4 middle-beltan states combined.

Like you rightly pointed out, I look southward because I have lost hope of having a working relationship with the Hausa-Fulani dominated core north. I don't see them giving up their religious orientation for a workable country.

And what I want is a nation where my people and I can live in peace without caring what religion the other person practices, because humanity should trump all else.

That's what I love most about the Yoruba of the SWN and the Senegalese. Their abilities to coexist in harmony in spite if religious differences is second to none.

The Hausa-Fulani are some of the best people you can find anywhere on earth, but the violent-ready youths and imams who'd give up all else to protect religion make me keep away.

FNG1:
And you cannot do anything about thier land either. The highest u can do is to migrate or we deport u if u misbehave.

First off, I don't hate Muslims.

Your ignorance is nauseating.

Please read up and stop embarrassing yourself.

Yikes!

FNG1:
Ofcourse we own those places. It is our birth right.

Please if you never join the Igbo's or any southern part and declare it a new region or land you must be coward. Jos is Islamic north that you Malton hate.


Now read this below.

I don't have time for nonsense as this.

I can't stoop so low as to argue with a Hausa-Fulani nonentity.

FNG1:
Please come and be going if you want to leave. Nobody is holding you but you should be rest assure you cannot go with Jos land and other places like Niger state and Abuja.

Because you own those, right?

You, this FriendNG, you are not smart.

True.

Sometimes I do feel like the situation is worse in the northern states.

That being said, create the jobs first. We will take it up from there.

anyebedgreat:
Sorry, the dude is not igbo, not biafra, not ipob.
He is Idoma from benue state.

Oops. My bad.

I have always thought him an Igbo guy.

Thanks for this.

APCsupporter:
Plateau will automatically become our colony once this country disintegrates so stop deceiving yourself. I'm not surprised that you think history or Arabic itself is irrelevant. what else should be expected from a pro-beerfraud?

So says the illiterate.

This happy and progress-minded man is whom some people would want you to chase out of Plateau.

Somebody lied!

EazyMoh:
Better make up your mind what you want then. Nobody said they will attack anybody in the North after October 1st. On the contrary, it's the Ipods who are on record soliciting for arms and threatening to make Nigeria worst than Somalia.
The North never wanted this so called one Nigeria in the first place, and if our founding were not guaranteed the arrangements of the first republic where every region had its own executives, ministers, parliament and in charge if it's own resources and policies, we will never be part of this present day arrangement.
History is aware who are the ones who went round begging for unity.
And for the so called middle Belt, Arewa has done justice to you more than you could ever have in any arrangements.
Your wards were giving scholarships, job positions and recruited in to the armed forces without any for of discrimination by Sardauna and his followers. That was why during the counter coup the northerners of the so called middle Belt were more ferocious in avenging Sardauna and other northern leaders.
But now your minds are beginning to be poisoned based on religious affiliation with the east.
It's up to you to decide if you wanna follow the to Biafra or stand alone it's your choice. But definitely each has its consequences.
I support anybody who wants to break away, the middle belt inclusive.

Well, I respect you for your reasonable input.

However, you looked at things from one perspective only.

First off, being part and parcel of the northern region at the time, I don't see why you should consider The middle belters being absorbed into jobs and the armed forces as doing them a favor. That's the government of the day living up to its responsibilities.

And, the benefits of giving one a job works both ways - both in favor of the employers and those of the employees. You speak as if our forefathers brought nothing to the table.

Again, at that time, there was a lot more sanity in the system. There was purpose in the direction of government. Sir Ahmadu Bello wanted nothing more than the growth and progress of the northern region. And even though he was a supremacist, there were times when religion took the back seats in his decision making.

The same cannot be said of today's core northerners. Case in point is the happenings in Federal University, Dutsin Ma, Katsina. Our people are now being told to their faces, "look, you cannot occupy this position because you are christian or not Muslim enough." Merit has no place in today's northern Nigeria.

Did our people not accommodate yours and gave them lands for free? Today, that hospitality has become our greatest undoing.

Our people are being killed in their sleep for no just cause.

Religion is now almost constantly on the front seat. Nobody gives rat's ass about your capabilities no more.

Even I would go to war for a Sardauna or Tafawa Balewa.

But today's core northerners are the worst. Religion has them thinking upside down. Ahmadu Bello must be weeping.

This doesn't mean that all of them are like that.

APCsupporter:
why didnt you counter the trash? Arabic is here to stay. You can follow your friends to beerfraud if you are unhappy about that

That's your problem, really.

Whether it stays or goes, it won't apply to my state. So that's none of my business. I only tried to make you see why the entire thing has religious connotations.

I asked the relevance of Arabic in today's academic and work space. Instead, you gave me history. What's to counter there?

APCsupporter:
poo as usual. If you want to go by that I hope you are aware that Arabians were once the leading scientists in the world? and why are you talking as if Arabic is going to replace French? For you to say that Arabian universities are in the same league with those of Nigeria shows how blind you are. Arabic is a part of our history and whether you like it or not, your foolish religious bigotry will not kill the dreams of others. Your brothers friends are still being arrested for doing illegal businesses in the Middle East and North Africa and you are here typing rubbish. If you don't want Arabic then leave it alone but you cannot deprive others of their rights. You can kill yourself if you don't want that

Is that all the defence you could conjure up? That trash up there? Smh.