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Maynman:
The designer just happened without a designer?

Incoherent!

Maynman:
How do you know something is chaotic if not in contrast with its opposite.

So if chaos can come by chance, why can't order come by chance?

Chaos didn't come by chance in the first place.
The chance that orderliness came from chaos without an external influence is impossible!

Kingsnairaland:
I will explain all this things since you don't really want to understand that God

What actually makes God God is that he is
The father.
He is the son.
He is the holy spirit

Just the same way what makes you a human being is that...

You have a soul
A body.
A spirit


It takes time to compile
I will sit down to explain it because you can't understand how God design this things

Without step by step opening of your eyes of understanding from Bible

Try to read
https://www.nairaland.com/6849172/trinity-meaning-shown-bible

Dey play. God is God all by himself. He doesn't need attachment lol

The one true God is the Father. Paul and Jesus said that clearly.

I don't have a soul, rather my whole being (body, organs, mind etc) is the soul and the spirit or breath from God makes me living.

1 Corinthians 1:3
[3]Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:2
[2]Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Galatians 1:3
[3]Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,

Ephesians 1:2-3
[2]Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
[3]Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Colossians 1:3
[3]We give thanks to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always for you,

John 20:17
[17]Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Jesus Christ has a God just like all believers do and the Father is that one God.
You can keep peddling what the bible didn't say.

Emusan:
That's it.



I'm a Christian!

Do you have problem with that?

Even a politician and babalawo can claim to be a Christian lol.

achorladey:
Cornelboy abi na Cornelgirl are you a true christian?

I don't want....



I am not talking about the The Jehovah witnesses, I am directing the question to you called cornelboy?

JWs are the group practising true Christianity today

budaatum:
Think, river. It is not crafted by a creator, it forms a path that the prevailing pressures force on it.

Think about yourself, your cells, tissues, organs, systems and DNA, they just happened without a designer?

You jumped from "the universe was chaotic" to "we don't know"

Emusan:
But you once supported your deluded brother when he said the name Christian is CURSED AND BASTARDIZED with this remarkable statement "Whoever THINKs he belongs to CHRIST under the bastardized and cursed old group name SHOULD THINK TWICE" before I exposed his lie.

So you belong to Christ under that CURSED AND BASTARDIZED old group name...

That's beautiful



Yes I'm a true Christian and I'm not JWs which means you lied.

Anyone can claim anything he wants. The fruits will talk.
What is the name of that your church

Kayberg:
Any evidence of the above?

They are the only ones following every Christ teachings and doing all God's will today like the early Christians did.

budaatum:
Neither is more logical since both lack sufficient evidence, though it is known that the universe was chaotic in its early stages, and has taken the form it is in today due to environmental pressures. Think, river. It is not crafted by a creator, it forms a path that the prevailing pressures force on it.

Instead of concluding, a third option is to say one does not know, instead of making up things to believe. We are after all talking billions of years ago when no one was around to record how the universe came about.

By chaotic is meant the planets were not as they are today, and did not travel in the predictable orbits they travel in today. Even earth's weather was chaotic before it settled into the predictable seasons we now see.

What's your evidence that the universe was chaotic? How did you know?

Even if I was really chaotic initially and then it later came to orderliness, what's the force controlling that? Why didn't it go from chaotic to intense chaotic?

You think there's any chance for a chaotic universe to suddenly change from chaotic to orderliness without any external influence?

Kingsnairaland:
To see where God is check...

Jeremiah 23:23-24 GNT
“I am a God who is everywhere and not in one place only. No one can hide where I cannot see them. Do you not know that I am everywhere in heaven and on earth?


Bible reveals that God can be both present to a person in a manifest manner
(Psalm 46:1
Isaiah 57:15
And present in every situation in all of creation at any given time (Psalm 33:13-14

Omnipresence is God’s characteristic of being present to all ranges of both time and space. Although God is present in all time and space, God is not locally limited to any time or space. God is everywhere and in every now. No molecule or atomic particle is so small that God is not fully present to it, and no galaxy so vast that God does not circumscribe it. But if we were to remove creation, God would still know of it, for He knows all possibilities, whether they are actual or not.


You know am trying to write it in a way for you to understand it but please it will take time to explain and write them

So but BishopKingsley explain some of them here can you read them here on his link

https://www.nairaland.com/6849172/trinity-meaning-shown-bible

Check other versions and understand what that verse is really saying.
It is about God's presence. It could be through his holy spirit or the angels.
Literally, God abides in heaven and receives worship day and night there.

God didn't transform himself into another God (Jesus). Rather, Jesus was a distinct being from his father and was sent to earth by God.

1 Corinthians 11:3
[3]But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Jesus has a God and a Father that he serves and worship. He's not the one true God.
Jehovah is the one true God.

jaephoenix:
No. You haven't derailed the thread. We are talking about the credibility of the creation story, and against evolution. So we are still on topic. So don't run away

I asked a question and you mentioned something about about the topic of the thread "Does God Exist?", perhaps it's derailing by talking about evolution and stuffs.

I'm not on this thread to advertise any god to atheists. I won't do that.

My question is that, which is more logical; to say there is a mastermind behind the universe and everything in it OR to conclude everything came by chance unplanned?

Emusan:
He won't answer that.

You can see his brother has kept mute after I provided that Watchtower screenshot

The Jehovah witnesses are the true Christians today.

Are you a true Christian?

Kingsnairaland:
First the problem you have is that you don't think God can be every where... Lol you think God is like you that is limited to only one place lol

Because you think God can be limited

God is every place at the same time

God is even inside hell fire he is truly a consuming fire

Now this thing I said here below you have not understood it because it is a mystery to you

Read it many times

God exist as
God the father
God the son
God the holy spirit

Just like the man he created exists as
Soul
Body
Spirit

You have to memories this rule before you can understand how God is

If you fail to understand that God exists as
The father
The son
The holy spirit

Then you will not understand any other thing.

Am compiling all the scripture to explain this to you to show you what Bible says God is... It will take a lot of time to teach... But memorize this things above.

I don't just make up assumptions and force it on people's throat.

Show me in the bible where it say God is everywhere.
God is in heaven on his throne and he receives worship from the angels and other creatures day and night.
He doesn't go everywhere rather he sends his angels out to work for him.

No where in the bible says God exists as three persons.
Here's Jesus's word at John 17:3

[3]And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

And Paul words at 1 Corinth. 8:5,6

[6]But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Paul and Jesus both confirmed that the one true God for Christians is the Father whose name is YHWH. They didn't add the son or the holy "ghost".

Kingsnairaland:
Yes Jesus is God almighty.

Bible said in the last days those who will fall away will stop believing that God came in the flesh..

1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Go and compare with other versions. That place was referring to Jesus Christ. And Christ and his father are different persons.

Simple sense should tell you that God never left his throne in heaven and became flesh. Only Jesus left heaven to fulfil God's will on earth.

Back to the question I asked first, if Jesus is the almighty God, what about his father, Jehovah?

Maynman:
The body that planned and created them came by chance? How is this thinking normal?


You are a Jehovah witness, forever indebted to watchtower and their Governing board and you are talking about follow follow?
Please read Matthew 7:1-5.

Okay

Aemmyjah:
Good point
Have you studied the DNA?
Scientist called it the 'book of life' cos if contains all the information about the organism
Which of your parent created the DNA?

Now answer this
The DNA is a marvel of design or mere chance?

As any geneticist that question, they cannot Yes confidently
It is far possible to see a skyscraper in a village built by no one than to think the DNA came by itself
That's where you atheists have no wisdom

Well said!
Atheist na follow follow people jàre.
Wetin dẹ surprise me be say how a normal person go think say things came by chance, nobody planned and created them oga o

Aemmyjah:
With the scientific approach?

Lol 😂 evolution na science myth and old wife's tales. How their father take know wetin happen millions of years ago.

He said something about DNA and I asked him how the DNA got there and who or what coded it, his brain went blank.

Kingsnairaland:
Yes Jesus is God almighty

Because God exists as
The father
The son
The holy spirit.

Is God Jesus?

jaephoenix:
So there is a 'real god'? Interesting….
So how did u arrive at the conclusion that
1) your god is the real deal
2) he/she/they in fact created the world

I won't derail the thread any further. We could continue our discussion about how creation came to be in another thread later.

Here's a simple fact, "the universe and everything in it are not without a mastermind".
Stay safe.

jaephoenix:
The topic said God or Yahweh exists. Now if he exists that means the other gods like Allah ,Zeus etc don't exist. So your point in bold is irrelevant

Oh I wasn't even aware of the thread's topic. I was emphasizing on whether the universe and life have an intelligent creator or not.

First, the word "God" is a common noun that could be used for anybody or thing. It's not a proper noun.

There are fake and real money in Nigeria and it only takes some few test to differentiate them.
That's why it's your responsibility to search for the real God if there's.

My main bone of contention is that can any sane person randomly conclude that the universe and life could have come by chance and not designed and created by a mastermind?

It's more logical to reason that someone planned everything Mr atheism

jaephoenix:
Stupid question

No wahala

Kingsnairaland:
Over one billion people practice what I say many believe in Jesus and believe Jesus is God

Tell me how many practice your words that you can only be saved by the law and that Jesus is not God.

If Jesus is God, is God Jesus?

Maynman:
It's you that is Incoherent.

You cannot create something that you already have, you can only create what has not been created.

Only a lifeless person can create life.

Okay

jaephoenix:
Please leave the dodging.
Answer the question.

You guys shout logic here and there but you fail woefully to apply it when it comes to questions about life and creation and the universe.

I know that the universe and everything in it today couldn't have come from anything but the handiwork of an intelligent designer. It's a simple reasoning but atheism has blocked some portion of your brain not to see that.

So whether some people believe in ifa or Sango or Thor or Allah or Yahweh, it has absolutely nothing to do with what we are discussing.

jaephoenix:
Yes I know what coding is. Any problem?
DNAs have been around for millions of years. Science is yet to unravel the source

Okay guess it'd take millions of years for atheist scientists to unravel that lol

The way the DNA works, is it logical to say it was programmed by an intelligent being or what? You believe stuffs came by chance?

I understand that atheists don't agree on the same theories so can you define your "beliefs" here?

jaephoenix:
Since you don't understand English. He meant how did your Yahweh come about? Did he create himself or pop into existence just like that

Stupid and illogical question actually.

Maynman:
And this creator of life will be lifeless right?
Or did he create his own life too?

Incoherent!

jaephoenix:
Good.
1. My parent ability to procreate is as a result of growth. This growth came from the DNA that codes the protein. Now this protein can be hormones which are produced by pituitary and act on the ovaries, testes etc to cause them to mature
2. My genitals grew too. From a baby penis, actions of hormones like FSH, LH, testesterone etc caused it to develop.
Now a lot of things can go wrong in these gonadal development. From genetic, to viral etc. Everything in the body runs via DNA which translates and codes proteins which act on target organs. My penis was not designed.
This designer you're talking about has not been proven. And even if you are to say there is one, then he has done a poor job in many organs. Then he isnt intelligent. He designed some people's organs to be spread all over the body(the origin of cancers) . He designed some organs to fight other organs(the origins of autoimmune diseases). He designed some organs not to grow at all(the origin of agenesis).
So because these processes are made by DNA coding, errors can happen. And that is how we see these diseases I mentioned like cancers, autoimmune disease, agenesis, chromosomal aberrations etc
3. Its possible the first humans were from Africa. Many evidence point towards it. Same with the human thumbs. Many fossils point towards that evolution of our limbs

Do you know what coding is? So how did the DNA came to be?

jaephoenix:
Okay. Lets just assume that there's an intelligent being.
Which one? Is it Thor, Horus, Allah, Brahma, Yahweh, Zeus? Which one of them, and what's your evidence?

See guy leave that assume thing. Do you think it's logical to conclude that life doesn't have a creator?

You should find answer to that yourself

jaephoenix:
Ever heard of that lil thing called DNA?

Na DNA you call little lol.
The DNA doesn't have a designer?

jaephoenix:
Did you read any of those things I typed?
I said they were coded by the DNA

Who or what coded the DNA

MaxInDHouse:
Next time you don't have to mention me if you know you're not ready for mature discussion i know you hate me but that's not enough reason to follow me from thread to thread just to insult me.

Trump and his supporters are not Christians going by the words of Jesus Christ that's what the OP meant and as for you you're just an atheist disguising on NL.

If Jesus never welcome contradicting teachings and you can't distinguish between false teacher and true servants of God then allow those who knows to chat not just jumping into discussions to promote atheism.

It's atheistic advocating for all the different religions claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines it simply expose you as an unbeliever who is mocking God's son for praying that his disciples should have the same line of thought! John 17:23; 1Corinthians 1:10

Well said!