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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Is Arsene Wenger A Magician? by Cougar2: 5:05pm On Feb 03, 2011
norrisman:

I had some spare time on my hands and in light of the current spending spree by premiership clubs; I put together the cost of the current Arsenal first team.

Szczesny - Trainee
Sagna - £7.5 million
Djourou - Trainee
Koscielny - £8.5 million
Clichy - Undisclosed
Walcott - £5 million
Song - £1 million
Wilshere - Trainee
Fabregas - Trainee
Nasri - £12.5 million
V. Persie - £2.75 million

The total amount for players we have figures for is £37.25. There are 4 players on Arsenal’s books who joined as trainees of which nominal fees of less than £0.5 million each will have been paid for 3 of them i.e. Fabregas, Djourou and Szczesny who joined from other clubs. Wilshere started with the Arsenal so no fee applies in his case. Clichy was signed for an undisclosed amount and I’ll use a ball park figure and assume he was signed for £2.5 million in 2003. I doubt the figure will be this high considering the fact that V.Persie was signed for £2.75 million in 2004 (1 season left on his contract at Feyernoord) and Alex Song was signed for £1 million in 2006.

This brings the total value of current first team players to £41.25 million. This is £10 million less than Chelsea paid for Torres and the entire team cost only £6 million more than Andy Carroll. In fact Cristiano Ronaldo is worth 2 Arsenal first teams.

My conclusion to this is either one of 2 things; Football has gone crazy or Arsene Wenger is a magician.

did you generate these figures from your behind? walcott is 12 million, nasri is 16 million and koscielny is 10 million. besides that, what have these runts won since wenger bought robin van persie(the oldest of the lot)? nothing. like evra said, arsenal is an academy. a football institution to groom embryos and play exhibition football. chelsea spend money and they win trophies. arsenal don't spend and they don't win. i know what i'd rather have.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 1:11pm On Feb 03, 2011
ritchboy:

I was using the data available to me at the time(updating my FPL team) cheesy

That was the same reason i thunk Bale had 3 assists cos that's what it says in FPL.

Didn't you see the part i said this:


eaxctly my point. since the data available to you was wrong, then you are wrong completely and it renders your excuses null n void. next time, consult the official stats before jumping into a debate.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 12:50pm On Feb 03, 2011
ritchboy:

Why would i assume you were talking about the league alone? Is the league the only competition Nani has played in?

You said Nani has double Bale + Malouda + Nasri assists THIS SEASON which is FALSE. Simples!

so why did you argue 8 is not the half of 12 if your mind was focussed on all competitions?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 12:07pm On Feb 03, 2011
HNIC:

If you were asked on your opinion about Everton's goal, just because it was Arsenal playing, I bet you will say Saha's goal was legit!

we all know the whole world pities arsenal's predicament. arsenal have won a large number of dodgy penalty decisions this season and it's because match officials are desperate to aid arsenal to win something this season. ifffhs gave wenger the manager of the last decade grin grin grin grin how can wenger be the best manager of the last decade when he's been trophyless for half-a-decade? grin grin grin grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 11:42am On Feb 03, 2011
ritchboy:

This was your original comment which is still fallacious cos you didnt mention you were talking about the league alone. tongue

what else could i be talking about? carling cup games or emirate cup where nani doesn't feature? you came out with your chest-beating attitude that nani/bale/malouda have contributed 8 league goal assists until your delayed logic process decided to check the stats properly. admit you are wrong so we can deal with your psych-evaluation with immediate alacrity. grin

Double N:

Garry Baba has finally called it quits! Thanks for the one Champions League triumph, eight Premier League titles, three FA Cup victories, two League Cups, the Intercontinental Cup and the Fifa World Club Cup.

* Premier League (cool: 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2008–09
* FA Cup (3): 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
* Football League Cup (2): 2005–06, 2009–10
* FA Community Shield (3): 1996, 1997, 2008
* UEFA Champions League (1): 1998–99
* Intercontinental Cup (1): 1999
* FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008


neville truly was one of the best players in europe in his position during his prime. fantastic right-back, and he played a crucial role in a long period of success for united.

his personality rubs people up the wrong way, but he's loyal, professional and completely passionate about the club he played for. i bet every team wishes they had someone like him in this era of lazy mercenaries. neville is a throwback to when players were emotionally tied to their clubs for life - do you hear the drums? torres? thierry henry? carlos tevez?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 12:03am On Feb 03, 2011
ritchboy:

Hmmm, just checked the stats page and Bale is only credited with one assist there. . . funny cos he has 3 assists in FPL!

you have lost your ability to count so i won't push this any further. bale has one league assist, not three. . . . .and if you count the combined league assists of bale, nasri and malouda, nani has twice as many as they have got.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 11:41pm On Feb 02, 2011
ritchboy:

This man don come again. . . Bale + Nasri + Malouda have 8 assists between them in the league alone. Nani doesnt have up to double their figures. . . stop yarning dust! Are you aware Arshavin has over 13 assists this season?

firstly, arshavin has 9 league assists. nani has 12 of those.
secondly, nasri has 1 league assist(same as van der sar), bale has 1 league assist as well and malouda has 4 league assists.
4 + 1 + 1 = 6 league assists(combined league assists of 3 world class wingers) and nani has 12 in the league alone. i used to think you are one of the few gooners who could count, i thought wrong. grin


Do you by any chance refer to your pot-bellied friends as "sports journos"? grin grin grin
As for all United players being underrated. . .  grin grin grin grin grin grin grin

how is this relevant to the topic of discussion?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 9:04pm On Feb 02, 2011
debosky:

^^ So because of one cross he should remain in footbball? cheesy

I'm sure Zola can still play a mean cross if he tries, does that mean Chelski should re-sign him?

not only because of that cross. he also tamed ronaldinho in that tie. moreover, neville was outstanding in the last 5 games of last season where he featured against man city(away). . . .he murdered craig bellamy in that match as well.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 8:59pm On Feb 02, 2011
HNIC:

The Neviller retires
Like the saying goes 'If you don't leave football, football will leave you'
He should have retired 3 years ago!

last season, he supplied a tasty cross to assist a rooney header against ac milan. if neville should have retired 3 yrs ago then wenger should have retired 6 yrs ago(the last time he won a trophy).
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 8:17pm On Feb 02, 2011
duduspace:

Aaawh, was something stuffed up your rectum while yu were away and yu feel the need to retaliate? sorry my rectum aint available, yu can try DK's. grin grin

go and find losers of your ilk to play with.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 8:03pm On Feb 02, 2011
Mr_TA:

Totally agree, he was also under appreciated. Hope England are enjoying Glen Johnson's displays at RB.

Legend.

all united players are under-rated. the most under-rated player in europe is luis nani. ask any sports journo, they will tell you paraplegics like bale, nasri, arshavin and joe cole are all better than nani. roll out the contribution each player has made this season and you will be shocked nani's goal assists is twice (bale + nasri + malouda) combined.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 7:52pm On Feb 02, 2011
duduspace:

Utter pomposity and blowing of hot air, have yu lectured yurself first? grin grin grin
lest I forget welcome back, shld I play yu some Mase?

you are a football novice and i don't need your welcome package. stuff it up your rectum.

Mr_TA:

Err. This is the Manchester united fans thread,


Important news. Gary Neville has retired effective immediately.

Fantastic news, shame he soiled the latter part of his career with some awful performances. He was a fantastic rightback for well over a decade for club and country and he hated the scousers. cheesy Much respect to him.

gary is a legend. all oldies have soiled the latter part of their career with shitty performances here and there. players who are supposed to be in their peak have also played some rubbish games. neville's last few games cannot stain his legendary status. he's won more premier league titles than all the other 19 clubs put together.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 7:39pm On Feb 02, 2011
dayokanu:

I thought dudu said the era of spending is over and Assanal would catch up with others now, WenGAY is admitting it wont happen anytime soon and their trophylessness continues

the less said about duduspace, the better for the good of this forum. i still remember lecturing him about roman's vast wealth on the chelsea thread that roman is utterly minted. now that it's clear to him that the purported vision 20/20 sold to him by frank arnesen and peter kenyon is a myth, the shackles are now completely off and he will spend again like he did in the mid-2000s.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 6:23pm On Feb 02, 2011
debosky:

^^ Cos the media is full of twats. . . .instead of focusing on the sublime pass for Arshavin's goal, they are talking about swearing from comments from Moyes? Really? Moyes who invented swearing and cussing out? cheesy

The press need to write something negative about Arsenal - since we didn't lose, they pick something else.

classic!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 6:14pm On Feb 02, 2011
debosky:

Make that negligible top level experience. tongue

i hear you. . . . . . .but why is cesc such a big irritant these days. always in the media for the wrong reasons. if he's not waving an imaginary card, he's challenging officials or pissing off opponents.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 6:07pm On Feb 02, 2011
debosky:

Koscielny had no top level experience, so AW inserted the clause to provide assurance that he wasn't buying a dud. Two different issues, same solution Mr Cougar. tongue

fc lorient isn't longer a ligue 1 club in france? since when?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 5:37pm On Feb 02, 2011
debosky:

Because TW14 had a similar clause in his contract. . . .it's sort of a guarantee against getting a player with dodgy knees which doesn't get discovered till mid season.

Playing 10 games is no biggie - even the perennially injured Diaby manages that. grin

walcott had such clause because of his age and his inexperience at top level. southampton wanted to be sure arsenal weren't poaching the teenager and leaving him to rot on the bench. koscielny is not 16 when he was bought and neither was he a 2nd division player in france. two different issues, mr debosky. cheesy
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 5:25pm On Feb 02, 2011
debosky:

^^ We're talking about 50+ games here and not just 10-15.

How do we know it's 50+ games and not 10-20?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 5:21pm On Feb 02, 2011
debosky:

^^ Suit yourself. . . .the TOTAL when add ons are included comes to a bit over £8m, and is dependent on competing x number of games for Arsenal and for the French national team before kicking in to that figure.

which he must have completed because of thomas vermaelen's injury.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 5:11pm On Feb 02, 2011
debosky:

I don't have the links any more, but I have it on reliable authority that he did NOT cost £10m and actually cost less than half of that.

There are some add ons involved, but nothing close to £10m. AW placated Lorient by sending them Coquelin on loan as a sweetener for the deal.

Let's leave it at that.

story! i have first hand information about every single transfer deal in europe. koscielny cost 11 million euros. i am not disputing the add-ons or wages or whatever else involved. the bottom line is wenger paid 11 mil euros to get koscielny.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 4:32pm On Feb 02, 2011
debosky:

^^ Dunno why. grin

Even the press want Wenger to spend so any dime that gets spent is blown out of proportion. cheesy

come off it. . . . .koscielny was bought for 10 mil pounds or 11 mil euros - which is quite abnormal cos his ability technically isn't more than 3 million pounds.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 4:20pm On Feb 02, 2011
debosky:

^^ Forget that nonsense - LK didn't cost more than £4m.

The press always tend to over estimate the cost of Arsenal transfers - I remember them quoting Diarra as costing £5m when he cost £2m in reality.

only arsenal transfers get over-stated. grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 3:52pm On Feb 02, 2011
debosky:

Koscielny cost £3.8m. . . .don't believe the stories. tongue

Player Name: Laurent Koscielny
Market value: £10.000.000
Player's Agent: In Überprüfung
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 3:36pm On Feb 02, 2011
mbulela:

There is nothing like the bold part in the EPL.

buying javier hernandez for 7 million is normal. van der vaart for 7 milla is also normal. koscielny for 10 milla is abnormal. grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) / Re: Manchester United Fan Thread: In Fergie We Trust! by Cougar2: 3:24pm On Feb 02, 2011
StarBoard:

Don't know why you keep getting aggressive when anybody differs with your opinion.
4million,10 million,whatever million,the fact is that he is not worth the hype and all the noise you're making about him.Just an average/decent player rejected from Scotland whose loud-mouth manager keeps trumpeting up just because Liverpool was interested.
I got better things to do than engage you,abeg.Kindly desist from such inflamatory remark.You're not the only one entitled to an opinion.

under normal circumstances, charlie adam shouldn't be more than 3 million. but in today's crazy transfer market, 10 million is about right. charlie adam is a trojan, he has a fantastic delivery on him and he's a bit more than your average mediocre scottish player.

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