duduspace:

Stop sounding like Dumbo's younger brother, where did I say the Glazers spent a dime of their money? didn't all the firms who went bust during the credit crunch have external auditors but did they not successfully hide things off their balance sheets?

5 examples of this case will help your case severely. i am yet to see where external auditors will deliberately mask the true financial situation of any organization. it seems you think you are in nigeria where everyone can be bribed. you are a super-tool. an upgrade to debosky's toolship.

And nowhere have I heard an external auditors come out to say all the debt at Manure was from the LBO.

because tools choose to hear what they want to hear. it's very simple. . . .how much did the glazers borrow from the banks in their leveraged buy-out, what was united's profit just before the take-over? i don't need an external auditor to show me any statement when the facts are clear.

Irrelevant and silly argument and obsfucation of issues, can anyone stroll into La Masia at 21?  

you are not intelligent at all. the moral of that sentence flew over your head.

Dumb argument again, Arsenal do not have the attraction but can take Cesc, Toral, Merida and Ignasi Miquel off Barcelona and piss them off in the process, wonder who is growing fat in the tool box.  

cesc and merida were academy products of barcelona. they left barcelona because of their perceived lack of opportunities. this is different to arsenal picking them raw and polishing them into fine talents.

You're now tying yurself up in Knots and that isn't surprising, haven't you claimed CR9 on here before as a Manure product? and when you talk about going through the academy system are you aware that Cesc has a Youth cup appearance for Arsenal? How much appearances exactly does a player need to have to be considered as having passed through the academy system?

if you can show me where i have said ronaldo is a man utd academy product in the blogosphere, i will bow out of this argument. other than that, you are a hypocritical lying twit who just opens his mouth like an indolent asswipe. cesc having a youth cup appearance does not make him an arsenal academy product, u nitwit. academies are like schools. they move from class 1 to 2 and to 3.

you don't play a match in the youth team and declare you passed through the academy. knowing that your tomfoolery is world class, here is another tip. wikipedia any player and check his details on the right hand side of the web-page. check under youth career. . . . .that should tell you which academy a certain player passed through. football is not so difficult but mumuface is so thick and poor in spirit, he cannot even pay attention.

kcjazz:

Haha! apparently more credible than the Clubs balance sheet. Find out what is on Arsenals balance sheet and then come back not BBC. Sorry I can't paste it but find out.

it is more credible because this source is from deloitte(the external auditor of all english premier league clubs).

kcjazz:

Thanks! your numbers answers the argument, actually 08/09 for Arsenal was 111m, still lower.

unlike you, i back my facts with credible links.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10249101

duduspace:

1. You have not been paying your debts until recently
2. Some of the debt actually went towards buying players. I repeat not all of your debt came from the LBO even though it makes up the greater percentage, the Glazers will never show a true picture of your financial situation unlike Arsenal which is publicly traded.

shut up your dirty mouth, all the money from the debt went to the shareholders who sold their stake to the glazers. when fergie pissed the former owners off during the feud of "rock of gibraltar" racehorse saga, they sold off their shares to malcolm glazer. the glazers haven't spent a penny of theirs on man utd since they arrived. why won't the glazers show a true picture of their finances when there are external auditors who look into the club accounts? why are you such a stark illiterate? for as little as one pound, you can get a copy of the last financial statement of man utd from the companies house. . . .it's called freedom of information.

duduspace:

So what are we talking about here? you prove my point but can't see it? is it a must to argue blindly? The reason why La Masia is much appreciated now is because they are the quintesential model of building up players from early ages. Do you know what ages Iniesta, Xavi and co entered the La Masia program?

what has this got to do with anything? whether xavi and iniesta got to la masia in their babyhood means squat. if they strolled into la masia at age 21, they would always be good players. talent is in-born!

If as you rightly point out that the rules did not permit it in the past, aren't you proving the point that Arsenal did not have such a program in the past until Arsenal came? 

whether the program was in place since 1800 or 2010, arsenal do not have the attraction to pull prodigious talents all over the globe like barcelona can do. it is a disgrace you are using the excuses of age to mask the failure of the arsenal academy. look at the calibre of players in your academy and compare them to world class talents in other european academies. which of your youngster has lit up any youth competition at the world stage? none! how many arsenal academy products have won mvps in fifa/uefa organised competitions? none! beckham, giggs, scholes, etc did not join man utd at age 8/9 and yet they carved a niche for themselves. why can't arsenal academy products do the same?

Cesc Fabregas came to Arsenal as a 16 year old, you lot will always come on here and tell us he is from La Masia?
George Best came to Manure as a 16 year old, who remembers whatever club he played for in Northern Ireland till then? you will gladly claim him as Manure producing a Ballon D' Or. CR9 came as a full fledged 18 year old international but you will claim him as another Manure product. Can you make up your mind please?

the reason you are confused about this is because you are a tool. the age players come to club has nothing to do with this. the real determinant is if they actually pass through the academy. for instance, da silva twins(fabio and rafael) are not academy products even though they joined at age 17 but guiseppe rossi who joined united at 17 is a product of man utd academy. cesc fabregas never played in the academy even though he joined arsenal at 16 whereas gerard pique who joined united at 17 graduated from united's academy. george best was discovered by united scout at 15 but he passed through united academy(he spent 2 yrs in the academy). ronaldo went straight into the senior team(he never played in united's academy) so he is not united's academy product.

this isn't ambiguous but i don't expect a gaynner to understand the dynamics - you people are the dullest set of football fans in the world.

duduspace:

This is dumb, every team on this earth has some form of academy, there is a very big difference between an Academy that picks players at 15/16 and one that starts from 8/9, those that are part time and those that are full time. Surely, you know the difference?    Prior to Arsene's arrival Arsenal didn't have such a formal program as La Masia

stop lying through your teeth. the rules back in the days will not allow anyone under 16 to sign for any big club. nothing to do with wenger, but the football association rules that have now relaxed the laws and allow kids to join clubs because football clubs now offer academic exercises unlike the way it was back in the days. whether a club picks players at 15/16 or 8/9, a talented player is a talented player.

dayokanu:

Are you saying Barca spends more than madrid in wages, Man utd spends more than Chelsea in wages? in those 3yrs when man Utd won back to back titles, I dont think any Man Utd player earned as much as lampard, Terry and ballack Another lie busted.

Are you telling us that Juventus spent more than Inter Milan on players wages?

Lies lies and delusion, The Hallmark of a GAYYner.

2006/7 wage bill
chelsea - £132.8m
man utd - £92.3m
arsenal - £89.7m
liverpool - £77.6m

2007/8 wage bill

chelsea  £172m
man utd £121m
arsenal  £101m
liverpool £90m

2008/9 wage bill

chelsea - £167m
man utd - £123m
arsenal - £104m
liverpool -£107m

duduspace:

1. Were they building a stadium at the same time?
2. Can you compare RM's trophy haul at the same time?

so arsenal were trophyless for 6 yrs because they built a stadium? how much did arsenal actually borrow to finance the completion of this stadium? is it up to 700 million pounds the glazers lumped on united's shoulders? how come man utd marked their most successful haul of trophies when they are under a massive debt and arsenal couldn't even muster a community shield with their small debt? these excuses are getting stale. the stadium had nothing to do with wenger's failure. building the emirates had nothing to do with koscielny and szczesny having brain-farts in wembley.

dayokanu:

Since 2002, La masia has churned out players like Messi, Fabregas, Pique, pedro etc.

Can you tell us the graduates of your failed acdemy in the same time frame?

If the academy started in 2002, then where did Ashley Cole learn his football?

tottenham hotspur, of course. mumuface has come again to tell us porkies. very soon, mumuface will tell us martin keown and ray parlour didn't graduate from arsenal academy. pat rice(wenger's assistant) is 61 yrs of age - he graduated from arsenal's academy.

duduspace:

Alright, so its 11.4%.

so how does this statistics help wenger's case? la masia produce ballon d'ors. . . .world cup winners, european championship winners. arsene wenger's youths have won nothing of note. cannot even win their domestic league or any domestic cup competition. wenger should tear up the scripts and start afresh.

duduspace:

Read his post very well, He says "Since it started", only 10% of academy graduates have gone on to play for the senior team.

that statistics is flawed. only 10%? you must be a joker!!! i can count more than 50 players in barca's academy that have played for the senior team and as at 2009, only 440 players have passed through la masia.

kcjazz:

I respect anyone who chooses the difficult way to achieve their dream instead of short cuts. Mandela, MLK & AW   haha!

The Arsenal board decided they wanted to run a good club, hired AW and gave him a project. Which he is doing to his best. AW did not ask to build a stadium or look for kids around the world. AW is a purist, believes in his philosophy and in people so much (which is why he is getting all the heat).
[b]Comparing with Barcelona La Masia academy, what percentage of academy players qualify to the Barca senior team? About 10% since it was started, while Barcelona's system screens failures early and cut their loses early (even if sometimes they get it wrong), AWs system and belief allows them to be on the real team. When grooming young kids the failure rate is high.
This season has shown, he is learning his mistakes and re-strategisin[/b]g his philosophy. Even AW wants to win. The best way to know if this works will be in the future 10-20 years from now.

BTW the league statistics of winners shows that the club that pays higher wages wins the league, Arsenal has being at best 3rd or 4th in the past 5 years. Ask the higher earners if they have returned on their investments. This season Manchester City is number 1 on wages and you know they won't win.  

who is this tool for goodness sake? how can anyone say only 10% of barca academy products play for the senior team? valdes, puyol, pique, xavi, busquets, iniesta, pedro, bojan, messi are all starters and they all passed out of la masia. if you don't know your facts, stop posting on a forum.

chamotex:

^^^Rafael's goal against the GAYnners was class though.

Do you know Rafael is also married now . . . Just found out on Saturday.
Now they play tricks on their teammates . . . when someone calls one of their names both of them respond.
Madt boys

heard they have tricked fergie countless times too. when he wants rafael, fabio walks up to fergie and say. . . ."yes boss".

proudly9ja:

Take am easy now. Be objective abeg. We play very good football. Whether we are content with this is another issue entirely. Ild rather have AW coaching Arsenal than Mourinho tbh. One of the reasons I support Arsenal is because I can always watch good football. Its translating that into trophies that's out short coming now but we will fix it.

arsenal don't play good football. toying with the ball around the edge of the box without really doing anything with it is not good football. it's frustrating to watch. we saw barcelona last week. they keep possession and they do something with it. arsenal do the possession football but are toothless with it.

the best way to describe arsenal is. . . . . . .loads of pre-intimacy, no penetration.

kcjazz:

BTW the league statistics of winners shows that the club that pays higher wages wins the league, Arsenal has being at best 3rd or 4th in the past 5 years. Ask the higher earners if they have returned on their investments. This season Manchester City is number 1 on wages and you know they won't win.  

when man utd won the league 3 seasons in a row, chelsea were the highest spenders and they pay the highest wages in the land. the issue of money cannot be used as an excuse for wenger. he has had these players for the past 5 seasons. granted, he got them cheap but over the years, their value has appreciated. does fabregas still play like a midfielder signed for $0? does van persie play like a striker signed for $3m?

proudly9ja:

Me just dey joke o, We are the 'galacticos' of U18 league, lol

I don't support AW leaving to be honest. He is a great coach. We play arguably the best football on the land. I believe is AW brings in two or three 'Arshavin' like signings, he'l have an unbelievable team. His flaw has always been letting his heart lead him rather than him head (at least that's what I think).

do you really believe this notion? what is "best football" without winning competitions? we are talking six seasons without a trophy. six seasons?
i really don't think any team can lay claims to be the best in the land without a single trophy to show for it.

duduspace:

Arsenal then and Arsenal now is a whole different ball game. Benitez might have won a UCL but I would gladly take Arsenal as we are now than take Liverpool as they are now.

arsenal then were better than arsenal now. arsenal pre-wenger didn't go six seasons without a title. george graham might have been boring as a manager but he delivered. he won titles domestically and in europe. he could only beat what was put in front of him and he did.

duduspace:

@A-40

The problem is, I don't see a better available coach who can do what he has done or is doing talk less of being better. On the continent, maybe LVG and Hiddink. An Arsenal manager must command respect, have a good pedigree and of course has to deal with the board (whether you accept they are right or wrong, old and out of touch, exponents of sustainability or not, that aspect of Arsenal aint gonna change except life throws one of those curves out of the blues and one of Kroenke or Usmanov chooses to sell out to the other).

what was wenger's pedigree when he joined arsenal? a useless club in japan is pedigree? there more than a dozen managers who in europe that have got good pedigrees. matter of fact, there are plenty of them.

In England, I don't see anyone meeting those requirements bar Moyes (and I'm not sure he has the clout Arsene has though being an home boy might help him a bit). On the continent I don't see any who would fit in well and yes that includes "The pompous one", there is no Abramovic's millions rolling here and Barca did show him at the camp Nou some month's back. Yes, if Arsene drops dead tomorrow we'll just have to find someone but as far as I'm concerned while he lives I can't think of anyone else who'll be more suited for that post.

rafa benitez will do a good job in arsenal. . . . . . sack wenger, hire benitez.

Ibime:

I keep repeating that Wenger - George Graham's defence = trophylessness.

Are Gaynners aware that in France, Marseille's former chairman used to call Wenger "the perennial bridesmaid" because Wenger always finished second, and always flattered to deceive?

you have to pity arsene wenger at this point. obviously, the luck of the draw did not favour them at all. from nou camp to old trafford within a space of three days will take some energy out of the players. the title race is still open and wenger has a genuine chance of winning that(if he wants to).

nani is back! valencia on the right. . . . .nani on the left. the run-in will be exciting.

dayokanu:

Hargreaves is in Munich chilling with Schweinsteiger

he returned last weekend and trained in carrington today. i saw him tackling valencia too.

ritchboy:

Now this is legendary:

niggas am not exactly what you think i HAM,

Now if you must know who i HAM,

HAM a man of V.[b]HI.P, a man of God

And i am not a motherfucka[/b]




I believe there was a second track here

vic-o is a legend. these are spiritual lyrics. you won't get this kind of cadence anywhere on the planet. nigga raps like crazy.

ritchboy:

Cougar,
Kanye West fit post £50m profit?

For all the shyte yall spew, Arsenal remain the third most successful team in the history of English football, behind only United and Liverpool. . . You can take that to your babalawo!

no one remembers the third. . . . .and before you digress. . . .how does this explain the trophy drought that is now moving to the 7th season?

ritchboy:

Gone mobile, cant talk too much. This i will say:

screams from the haters, got a nice ring to it. . . i guess every super hero need his theme music!

if only arsenal can be as successful as kanye west(the owner of that quote). . . . . you should be quoting the pitiful lines of eedris or vic-o. both of them have something in common with the arses.

debosky:

The defence had a night to forget - there is no other excuse for Utd scoring from their first real chance all game.  Even if Diaby and Denilson got it wrong, are the defenders paid to be spectators? Were they overrun by attackers? NO - but they couldn't deal with very simple balls into the box.

if fabio and rafael are good headers of the ball, arsenal woulda conceded two goals before the fabio goal. i remember two excellent crosses from the left that rafael headed over the bar and the one fabio misjudged and headed back to where the cross came from. those were 2 good chances before the goal.

dayokanu:

let's not forget Liverpool won a CL which atones for all trophylessness

If Arsenal wins the cl then they can be pardoned if they go twenty yrs trophyless

If a scietist wins a Nobel once then he can be pardoned if he goes 25yrs without another discovery

they can still win it this season. . . . .are you losing hope?

nateevs:

Once again, if you want to hide something from Arsenal, put it in a CUP.

why do i think this punchline is too personal?

ritchboy:

You know what the guy meant, 2006-2011 = SINCE 2006. There is only a one year gap between Arsenal's last trophy and Liverpool's yet even at this time last year(when Liverpool's current drought was the same with Arsenal's then) Arsenal were getting 10 times more bashing despite the fact Arsenal's trophy drought is clearly caused by the stadium move while Liverpool just self-destructed.

Admit it, Arsenal are public enemy no 1.

not quite the case. liverpool fans know their limits when it comes to football. they rarely brag and we know their internal crisis screwed em up under rafa benitez. arsenal is a different kettle of fish. there's stability in the management, the stadium churns out money and we have been told some of the players in arsenal are at par if not better than their counterparts in the league - so where is the title to show for it? we have been told here wenger is marginally better than ferguson - so why isn't this quality showing on the pitch whenever the 2 managers cross swords? the mind boggles. . . . .

chamotex:


Was it the stadium move that prevented Arsenal from beating Birmingham in the CC final?

the same stadium move allowed da silva twins to pee on the whole arsenal midfield last night. . . . .the excuses will never stop. lest i forget, where's head-nigga-in-charge(hnic)? he's not recuperating in the hospital or is he?

kcjazz:

Here is a list of recent champions and their trophy drought but the media makes Arsene and Arsenal their object of obsession.
Barcelona 1999-2005 (no single trophy)
Inter Milan 1998-2006
Chelsea 2000-2005
Manchester United 1985-1990 (with Ferguson, no single trophy)
Liverpool 1995-2001 & 2006-2011

They even could not qualify for Champions league , but with Arsenal FC the measuring stick is different.

you saw ferguson in united in 85? liverpool didn't win fa cup in 2006? must you rewrite your own history to fan wenger's burning rectum?

debosky:

The reason why others would've beaten Utd is that they wouldn't concede two foolish goals - they would have DEFENDED better.

this is harsh. arsenal defended well in parts. i doubt vidic won a single header against djourou/koscielny. it wasn't as bad as you are making it to be. united's goals were counter-attacks. there's no team with an immunity against counter-attacks.

Those goals gave Utd the confidence to sit back for virtually the entire second half and play on the counter.

even before united scored the opener, arsenal felt it was going to be a walk in the pack and kept coming forward in droves. maybe the line-up deceived wenger and the players. you didn't commit players forward in the game at old trafford in december like your players did yesterday and a break was always going to be dangerous for arsenal.

Wenger did change things around, some players simply don't deserve to be at Arsenal FC - Rozzi had a sitter but failed to make a connection. Chamakh had a couple of good chances that VDS made good saves for. Nasri's decision making was off on the night and Arshavin was ineffective.

did he? change in personnel isn't urgency. arsenal played like they were leading 2-0. no urgency in their play at all. when they get the ball(and we all know arsenal players are fast), the pace slows down because van persie wants to touch the ball 9 times before releasing it to a team-mate. this gave united enough time to settle down and re-organize their defence. to beat united is easy. . . . .confuse vidic with 5-6 smart n pacy passes and he is dizzy. . . . .but if u pump 2000 crosses into his box, vidic will win 1999 out of them.

You don't go 2-0 down to Utd at OT, not when you haven't scored there in ages bar one Arshavin wonder strike, and not when they are clearly much better than you defensively with VDS in amazing form.

you had your chances to score. this isn't like the barcelona game. arsenal had plenty of chances but your strikers weren't clinical or van der sar had a blinder.

Defensive errors killed this game, enabling Utd to sit back and choke the game. We have to stop conceding goals like that - especially against a side who love playing us on the counter.

even when the defence lets a team down, the attack should be doing something on the other end too. koscielny had the chance to bury it. he aimed the ball where van der sar was positioned. chamakh headed straight at van der sar, etc etc. you need clinical strikers. a cheeky bid for eduardo in the summer perhaps?

debosky:

No amount of slaughtering will prevent Utd from creating chances at home - any other expectation is rank foolishness.

well. . . . .the more you prevent united from creating chances, the less they would score. . . .arsenal had a good chance to qualify last night. you even commented the absence of the arsenal-killers(park, fletcher, anderson) should spell a good fortune for arsenal but that wasn't the case still.

Answer the simple question - would Utd, even with that midfield, not create chances or pop crosses into the box for the whole game?
Regardless of the midfield Utd fielded, we defended balls in the box poorly - SIMPLE!

they shouldn't. if we play man city with that team, we will be severely slaughtered. i also back west brom to tear us a new one with that pathetic midfield. all arsenal had to do was control the midfield and work the flanks. wes brown was the weakest link. . . .did arsene even try nasri on that channel once during the game? these are tactical flaws. if arshavin isn't doing his job well on brown, why not switch for a change n see what comes out of it?

Even if we excuse the first goal, the second goal is unforgivable - Djourou works hard to intercept and a combination of Almunia, Gibbs, Sagna and Koscielny could not get to the ball first allowing Rooney to score the easiest header of his career (incidentally another header). That is a defensive cock up, especially since it had happened to you earlier in the SAME game.

easiest header? that header wasn't easy. and rooney needed the base of the post to help the ball into the net. that was a bold header. almunia was closing in.

Mr_TA:

Im sure they introduced the law to stop the dummy in a penalty run up last summer. I'll look for confirmation. Never the less, it isnt a yellow card offense anyways.

they did?

Procedure:
- the player taking the penalty kick must kick the ball forward
- he must not play the ball again until it has touched another player
- the ball is in play when it is kicked and moves forward

Morrison was great but there are still huge question marks over his off field conduct. Looks like one that'll probably end up in prison if he doesnt change. He's obviously a huge talent as SAF would have dumped him with his behaviour if he wasnt. He's had so many last chances that the club obviously rate him highly. He'll get his chance but I think it'll be abit too soon.Plus we're well covered with strikers at the moment.

the whole witness intimidation offence had happened 2 years ago. as morrison was less than 18 then, the story couldn't be published. he turned 18 some few weeks ago and the dailies were on the story like flies. morrison has sorted himself out and he's now getting to play more games. i am sure he will get promoted by next season. he was by far the best player on the pitch.

debosky:

There is a lot of misguided commentary on this thread.

For those blaming the midfield, are you saying that Utd wouldn't cross into the box all game long?

Or that they wouldn't create chances all game long? If your CBs TWO of them, cannot work together - one attacking the ball and the other mopping up, then they are getting something wrong.

This has nothing to do with Denilson or any DM and certainly nothing to do with having a 'leader' on the pitch.

We had chances in this game and refused to take them - Utd's second and third chances resulted in goals. . . .which indicates a defensive issue.

All this talk about DMs is simply rehashing of personal biases without looking at what happened in the game y'day. Denilson didn't put a foot wrong all game till he was taken off, and Diaby's mistake was going forward not defensively.

that's not the point, prophet debo. i think a lot of arsenal fans are angry the midfield arsenal rolled out should have slaughtered united's midifeld but fabio and rafael still caused arsenal massive damages in the game. one would expect wilshere, diaby, denilson to murder gibson and oshea. rafael and fabio are rookies playing out of position. . . .the criticism wouldn't have been this harsh had united lined up carrick, anderson and fletcher in the middle of the pack.

diaby and denilson did nothing offensively and defensively. wilshere was fantastic and nasri was solid. arshavin once again disappointed. he had wes brown for the taking but he didn't utilize the advantage to bamboozle united's weakness in the back four. wenger has to take some blame here for his tactical naivety and some arsenal players really need to take a second look at themselves for the show of shame.

Mr_TA:

The youth team just won at Anfield in a bad tempered match. 2-3 win with Morrison scoring twice after Liverpool went 2-0 up.
Both teams ended the match with 9 men.

the referee was a tool. he sent pogba off for dummying a goalie in his run-up to take a penalty. ronaldo does that every time. . . .where is it written in the law book that a player taking a penalty kick cannot dummy the keeper before kicking. the referee ruined the match. after pogba's sending off, morrison lived up to expectation. he is miles above any player on the pitch and his winner was an acrobatic volley. . . . fergie should promote this lad now. he's the biggest teenage talent in the country.

debosky:

Utd's defenders were not beaten to the rebound after VDS' save today were they?

those rebounds fell where there were no players. it's either vds was extremely lucky or arsenal strikers didn't make a huge nuisance to united's defence. like i said, it's all about passion/determination. one team wanted the victory more tonight and that team won.

Deflections can be termed bad luck, but the exact same mistake (failing to reach the second ball) costing both goals? There is a defensive flaw right there.

the defensive flaw is not your players failing to react to the rebound. the flaw is the events that happened before the rebound.

chamotex:

Vic O is a legend, he is the number 1 9ja artist in Italy (We can argue that Nas and Em cant claim to be the outright no 1 in their country) . . . he is also an Arsenal fan


I think it's time for the After party

vic-o is a legend. his lyrics are mind-blowing. heard he's on guinness book of record 2010. the only rapper you cannot listen to with a straight face. no matter how pissed you are, you must laugh.   it's exactly what arsenal fans need tonight.

so let's do some after parryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

debosky:

He didn't do enough - you need your defenders to react faster than that.

defenders will always be beaten by the rebound. the key to avoid such is not to get yourself in that position in every match.

It is unreasonable to expect Utd not to get chances in the box - are you saying once a chance leads to a rebound the defence is no longer culpable? That doesn't wash - the defence should defend all balls, and not just the first one.

once a chance leads to a rebound, start praying the ball falls for your defenders and not the attackers. no one can be culpable for that. it's like blaming defenders for wicked deflections. how do you defend such?

Surely a GK will have a bad game against us soon?

i pray a goalie does. . . . . . . in the emirates cup!

chamotex:

Was it O'Shea or P.Neville that strangled the life out of the GAYnners some years back.
I think it was against Vieira in midfield.

roy keane was crocked, fergie threw phil neville in the midfield and he battered vieira to a pulp. i think that was 02/03 season at old trafford. scholes and veron scored the goals.

I thought Smalling today was excellent . . . the run of games have helped him a lot.
He now looks composed and confident.

he will grow to be a world class defender. i just hope he can take charge whenever we have vidic and rio absent. he has to grow into a leader. a defender who can organise his defence like rio/vidic can do. whenever he's lined up with either vidic or rio, he has been very excellent.

Good to see Valencia, didn't look out of place at all . . . slotted in perfectly. good time to have him back.

can't wait to have nani back too. we need those boys for the run-in.

chamotex:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHTjaUHEjdw?fs=1[/flash]

these okoro boys make me laugh. . . . .what the heck is this? lil wayne impostor? he even does the cheeky laugh after each bar.

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chamotex, the above video is dedicated to you. this calabar boy in italy has lyrics that would rival nas and eminem. i heard he is a nairalander too.

oshea is a better midfielder than a defender. that was confirmed today. he won every tackle he attempted. he wasn't indecisive like he does when he's playing closer to the goal. i am happy to see valencia running the flanks again and i must also commend chris smalling. he was a thorn in van persie's flesh.