debosky:

I disagree - Koscielny was closer to the goal, yet Fabio reacted faster? That's unacceptable.

fabio wasn't stationary towards the build-up to that goal. koscielny was stationary when hernandez headed the ball cos he was expecting almunia to save the ball/expecting hernadez to head wide. . . . .fabio had the head-start and he's always favoured to get to the ball first. koscielny tried what he could and on another day, he woulda forced fabio to miss. watch the replay, fabio nearly missed an open net.

I remember Vidic jumping behind VDS after a freekick against Chelski, just to keep the ball off the line - that is what a defender should do, not kitty footing around.

probably the ball was kind to vidic. another example was the liverpool game. suarez's freekick, van der spilled and kuyt scored from the rebound. there was no single united player 15 yards near kuyt. the attacking team reacts faster to such scenarios than the defending team. you play fifa on playstation, you should know this.

Even if I cut him slack for the first, what about the second? The ball comes off Djourou into the air and Almunia, Sagna and Koscielny all couldn't react fast enough to reach the ball before Rooney? Unacceptable

how did the play get to that in the first place? that is what you should be investigating. . . . .not defenders failing to react to a ball that could have gone anywhere. how many of those rebounds got cleared today with no united player around to attack it. when there's a rebound or deflection, the defending team is blameless. where the ball drops into is not anyone's making or ingenuity.

chamotex:

Arsenal Album "The Drought Vol 6" out now in Manchester

thanx mr dj. . . . . , arsenal don't let nobody. . . . . .nobody but man utd(to pee on their diseased body).

dayokanu:

Soon someone wld come and tell us that Assanal are competitive what's competitive about a team that lost to Rafael, Fabio, gibson and smalling

hard to believe arsenal's majestic midfielders lost to a midfield unit of rafael, fabio, gibson and o'shea.

vinisky:

my fellow manc una suppose flog me. i thought the match was tomorrow. chei but it's all good the team had u guys to wins that's why we're the best supporters for the best club in the world. Bring on marseille. who born them!

shhhhhh, taiye taiwo will score a hatrick.

dayokanu:

Who can help me post youtube links I am browsing from my fone and can't post videos

we are ready to wait for you. just come back in good health to spin the turntable.

debosky:

^^ NO excuses for Koscielny and the rest of the defence. When VDS made a save late in the second half, the Utd defence reacted faster. Arsenal's defence should have done better to respond to the second ball on both occasions.

Not being able to clear the ball after your GK/defender makes a save or interception is criminal.

Forget blaming Arshavin for any of the goals - the defence cocked up both times.

Djourou misses the rest of the season with a disclocated shoulder. . . .

debosky, you are being unfairly harsh here. the advantage is always with the attacking side when there's a rebound. there's practically nothing a defender can do facing his own goal in such scenario. the defender will end up scoring an own goal if he tries too hard. almunia should have kept the ball or parried it out of touch for a corner. . . . .once he spills it and the ball is live then anything can happen. i also think you didn't give fabio his credits for his passion and desire to get to the rebound.

chamotex:

Bros DJ DK, good evening

Abeg na omele or shekere I wan play tonight . . . drumset don tire me

In the meanwhile abeg throw me 'Amemu by 2Sure2Shizzle'

chamo, i heard you are the deputy dj. pls pls pls, i need you to play "she don't let nobody" by chakademus and pliers.

chamotex:

We are going to have a paery tonight. LMAO

where is dk the dj? i need to hear some kool naija beats on this thread.

debosky:

The Koscielny one was probably the most telling of the game - if that went in, it's 1-1. Instead VDS starts a counter that leads to the second goal.

i believe so but united would have scored more goals too especially after djourou went off.

The save from Chamakh's header was extraordinary too - VDS should be investigated for using arm stretching drugs.

chamakh should have aimed the bottom corner instead of heading to the ground and hoping the rebound would beat van der sar.

arsenal played well cos united's midfield was non-existent. fergie's a sly fox. he smothered the midfield by playing rooney as an extra midfielder and told his players to hit arsenal on a counter. those annoying long balls from united's defence made me sick. arsenal were pretty good with the build-up play but they lacked the killer instinct in the final third.

arshavin must be the player with the lowest mental strength in the universe. if he tries two tricks and he doesn't get through, he gets shattered. i will walk through wes brown and i am not a professional footballer. brown was there for the taking and i am wondering why nasri wasn't moved there when arshavin was getting no joy.

djourou's injury is a big blow and as a united fan, this evening is peach perfect.

debosky:

VDS' quality was the biggest difference today.

Against almost any other keeper and Arsenal would've scored at least 2 goals.

those shots were aimed straight at him. almunia did better than van der sar today with those goal-line saves he made at the death. the only quality save vds had was the koscielny one and the van persie(first half). others were simply straight balls.

debosky:

Utd fans have discovered sarcasm.

i was just told now there's going to be a second leg at the emirates next fortnight. play your strongest team in that one.

jeepers creepers, how can a midfield of fabio, rafael, gibson and oshea beat arsenal?  i remember debosky saying playing rafael n fabio against arsenal would be suicidal. you are lucky both of them are dwarfs. it should have been 3 goals in the first half have they taken their heading chances.

presido1:

Yes that what am saying. Why must Chris Foy officiate the game. I saw him two days ago inside OT canteen. What is he doing there at that time of the nite when he has a game against arsenal today. FA must investigate this if they are not partial. One day monkey go go market e no go return.
Nonsense FA.

i am sending a horrible email to the fa soon. this is just so bad. the injustice in this league is making me sick. why was sir alex on the pitch? shouldn't he be serving his 100-match ban for yapping his mouth about atkinson the other day? then fabio/rafael started too. those boys are illegal immigrants and the home office can't do shyt about them. shame. valencia that shouldn't be playing again this season had his ankles fixed(the fa picked his bill). chicharito is high on banned substances and john o'shea is not human. for how long would this continue?

debosky:

Well done Utd. . . . very good victory with a clear cutting edge and a superb performance by VDS.

absentees

rio
anderson
carrick
fletcher
nani
berbatov

arsenal are really a useless team.

presido1:

This game was fixed, why must arsenal play man u at old traford. I suspect FA and Fergie. Ref sef did not give scholes second yellow to make it a red. I hate FA for their biased/partial mind towards Wenger cus he is french. Bleep Man u, bleep FA. bleep UEFA.
Nonsense.

i think arsenal lost because the referee sent djourou off. the referees are biased against arsenal. one sent van persie off in nou camp and chris foy sent djourou off again tonight. arsenal should complain to fifa. this is getting too much for wenger's team. had djourou completed 90 mins, he would have scored a special hatrick today.

debosky:

Note that I have not provided any 'excuse' for Wenger's lack of trophies. . . . .I'm simply saying there are differing causes relating to different seasons. Any dumbed down attempt to treat them all as the same case is clearly illogical.

wrong! the aim of any football manager is to win all the competitions his club will feature. what has been wenger's excuse of not winning anything since may 2005? the main goal is to win competitions, not to be competitive. by default, arsenal should be in the top four teams in the league. wenger has not done anything extraordinary between 2005-2011 in the league. he has never won the carling cup before and he only managed to play in the champions league final once in 2006.

Secondly, Spurs and others winning the FA Cup & CC ignores the obvious fact that AW hasn't really attempted to win those trophies till 2010/11 and renders them irrelevant to the discussion. It is common knowledge that AW, having won the FA cup 4 times was more focused on winning the league and CL, and had little regard for the CC till this season.

wenger hasn't really attempted what? has he been fielding 10 players instead of the required 11? arsenal were able to win fa cup 4 times when the english league was dominated by wenger and fergie. it was between those two clubs in those days - since abramovic came into the scene, wenger has been potless. city and spurs are now in the mix as well so wenger's chances of winning it even if he intends to is now negligible.

dayokanu:

Evra a prophet? I disagree. He only stated the obvious.

I predicted 2 seasons ago that Arsenal would be trophyless till the end of Obamas Presidency. Does that make me a prophet too?

a link will help your case seriously. besides, the next time you make such predictions, have it published in the daily news.

presido1:

Thatz the reason their el capito likened them to impotent man that needs Viagra.

and comrade evra likened them to an academy - where toddlers dwell. prophet evra has been vindicated.

debosky:

Hehehehe. . . .I accept - Fergie is ahead of Arsenal with the Charity Shield.  

Note - I haven't defended the past 6 years - I have simply said lumping the 6 years together is an illogical thing to do.

PS - the 'desired' outcome in the early Emirates years was to keep the team competitive while taking any trophies as a bonus.

why is it illogical? are you trying to say arsenal didn't have quality players to challenge for a single title in the past 6 years? considering the fact tottenham, portsmouth and birmingham have won titles in the same period then it's fair to say arsene wenger has no excuse.

dayokanu:

Your attempted logic falls flat on its face.

Who is more fertile (succesful coach) a woman with 2 kids in 3 yrs or one with 3 kids in 15yrs

You are a disgrace to the 6-3-3-4 educational system I swear  ;d

are you saying wenger has been barren in the last 6 yrs? 22 miscarriages in the last 6 yrs is a bad record. on saturday, wenger might cop another one making it 23 mishaps in 6 yrs caused by a fault of his own. wenger needs a womb transplant.

Firstly, 3 is STILL greater than 2, regardless of how much stupidity DK displays in a day.

Secondly, Arsene has the second best reputation domestically in the EPL - the gap between him and Fergie is irrelevant.

Thirdly, if winning the league 3 times in 15 years is failure, all the teams in the EPL are failures except for Man Utd.

debosky the toolie, after 15 yrs in the premier league, can we compare what wenger has won to what fergie won in his first 15 yrs?

debosky:

Firstly, 3 is STILL greater than 2, regardless of how much stupidity DK displays in a day.

Secondly, Arsene has the second best reputation domestically in the EPL - the gap between him and Fergie is irrelevant.

Thirdly, if winning the league 3 times in 15 years is failure, all the teams in the EPL are failures except for Man Utd.

this is hilarious.
arsenal fans have told us in the past wenger is better than ferguson even when the stats say otherwise. y'all losers used to bring out their head to head stats as at 2008 but that excuse is no longer valid as ferguson has beaten wenger like 5 times consecutively since then. 3 times in 15 years is failure considering the quality of players wenger possessed in that 15-year period. if you cannot win in europe with henry, vieira, bergkamp, anelka,
wiltord, pires, etc then you will never win in europe. around the time france were the best team in the world. several of their big players were playing for arsenal - the equivalent of barcelona these days. yet, barca won the treble but arsene wenger keeps failing.

dayokanu:

You dey mind the deluded people?

Pikin fail dem say he get good handwriting.

How can a club hope to win anything by playing those oponus week in week out. Its 6 yrs and counting

See the mumu captain sef wan do style flick ball? He think say e easy?

9ice don talk am say Photocopy ko easy, Yu can never be like Xavi "No look pass is his Identity"

Iniesta told Flabbyass You can never be like me .   . . Ko gba agidi e ya lo ko A B D  Egbe isu ko ni iyan A ju ara wa lo ti ijakadi ko

debosky is a disgrace if he can open his mouth and defend wenger's record in the past six seasons. how can one be so deluded not to admit wenger's blueprint is not working at all. who tries the same methods for 6 years without getting the desired outcome? a doofus. debosky told us saf hasn't won anything this season so he is wenger's equal on that. . . . . .well, ferguson won the community shield in august beating the english champions. that little achievement is better than whatever wenger has done since 2005.

debosky:

Fabio is now an 'accomplished' winger because he played there for the reserves?

It is rather optimistic at best, or unrealistic at worst to compare Rafael and co to Bale.

More talented players like Komrade Eboue have failed to make the transition.

Of all your defenders, Evra is the only one that should be considered for temporary winger duty. He can protect Fabio as well as provide a potent attacking threat.

fabio can play as a winger. that was where he operated for brazil's national under 17 team before he came to old trafford. he has got pace and he can cross, just like his twin brother. evra is superb going forward but his final ball is hit-n-miss at best.

chamotex:

I'm definitely sure Rafael wouldn't look out of place on the right wing though.
He has a football brain.

and fabio is an accomplished winger. that's what he plays for the reserve team and i think he once scored a hatrick from that position. we need carlos queiroz back. mike phelan adds nothing tactically to this team. he just sits down with his ogufe head licking fergie's behind.

Emperoh:

Looks tantalizing on paper but i really doubt its practicability.
These two twins still need some growing up to do in their primary positions.
Playing them out of position will be a little too much for them to cope with. Remember how injury prone they are. Could just be a last resort of Av doesn't make it back in time for the Arsenal game

their primary position is even more delicate as they are closer to the goal and any mistake might lead to a goal/penalty. but in the midfield, they are further away from the defence and their energy to run back and forth will be immense. i really hope fergie will try them there on saturday against arsenal if js park/valencia don't make the starting line-up. evra and fabio on the left flank will destroy teams. if gareth bale can carve a niche for himself starting as a full-back before graduating to a winger then i am confident the twins can do the same. they are pacy and they can cross the ball.

HNIC:

What these 'haterz' don't realise is the ref messed up the match by the sending off?
No Gooner here would complain much if it was 3-1 with 11vs 11
No one would even complain if it was a legit sending off, let's say, he hacked a player down

why would you complain at all after watching that show of shame by arsenal? no shots on target for 90 mins and you are talking about red card? if that game was boxing, referee would have ended it in the first 45 mins. arsenal were battered beyond redemption. the goal that brought you back into it was scored by a make-shift defender(busquets) who shouldn't be a centre back but for the absence of pique/puyol. arsenal offered nothing and the best team won on the night.

but. . . .for playing a shot exactly one second after a whistle is blown for offside?
It's one thing to HATE Arsenal, it's another thing to be downright foolish if you think that decision didn't affect the game with scores at 1-1 and Arsenal leading 3-2 on the night.
If same happened at 3-1 with 2 minutes to go, no one woulda complained.
You guys should please think with your BRAIN

van persie knew he was in an offside position. his frustration led him to continue and take a swipe at the ball. he was miles offside. . . .he looked at the line assistant as he got his first touch. he knew what he was doing as his body language showed he wasn't shooting to score but shooting the ball to waste time. arsenal were leading on aggregate when van persie was sent off. why didn't you keep it that way till the 90th minute like mourinho did or like man utd did at the emirates when fletcher got sent off unfairly?

proudly9ja:

Are we still on this Barca game?

yes and guardiola wants a re-match at the emirates with howard webb officiating.

Krayola:

Actually Vescucci did, and I respect him so much for that.

The thing about yesterday's game is I was actually scared till the last second. I thought Arsenal was in it till the last whistle and I would have congratulated them if they won, like I did after the first leg. WHining has become a part of that team's culture and I don't understand how they have become comfortable with it. SAF complains sometimes but he gets over it and moves on, and not nearly as often as Wenger. It's fukn pathetic.

you cannot go six years without a trophy and not whine like arsenal do. in sheer numbers, arsenal have lost out in 22 consecutive competitions in the last 6 years. if one's wife miscarries 22 times in the last 6 years from a fault of her own. . . . .the husband has the right to whine and die there.

debosky:

Can the smelly rats please leave? We need to carry out some fumigation.

considering the way you and your posse set camps in other club threads, it's fair to say you are an unadulterated doofus for even bringing this up.

Krayola:

I saw their true colours.

Tbh I like Arsenal but since listening to them after the 1st leg . . . as in they pretended they didn't see all the calls that went their way. Then came to park the bus at the Camp Nou, rode their luck till it expired, and are whining about losing despite us scoring a goal on their behalf, and still needing to score 2 goals after the sending off. I mean how classless can they get? They no even fit acknowledge say we try small. Their  coach had the nerve to tell Pep to congratulate the ref as if he didn't see the first leg.

Mehn, F.ukc Arsenal. I no even send dem at all. Monkeys.

it's ridiculous.
there's no single arsenal fan that admitted barcelona were the better team in the first leg. messi's legit goal was even ruled as a marginal offside. then, they all thought wenger was the messiah, jack wilshere will be bought by barcelona, koscielny is better than vidic and sagna will rival cafu. fast forward three weeks and messi has now scored 6 good goals against arsenal in the last 3 matches.

dayokanu:

Arsenal is an attacking team when they play Hull City and Lleyton Orient

The most disgusting anti football in the last 10yrs have been played by Arsenal

Who remembers the second leg vs Villareal in Spain 2006?

Or any of their games vs Barcelona.

Vs Madrid in 2006, They set up to counter and they call themselves exponents of beautiful football?

What a disgrace

this is my wahala with arsenal.

i really don't have any problem with a small team with limited ability defending their lives against big teams but when arsene wenger complains about stoke, birmingham, ipswich, etc and he deploys the same tactics against barcelona, villareal and real madrid then it's hypocrisy.

Krayola:

Ok lets even forget the match. It's time to call out Arsenal on the nonsense attacking team they try to pretend to be.

We all heard both coaches claim they they would go out and attack and yada yada yo. Barca, kept pressing even when we had the result we needed. We were still committing players forward and going for goals because that is what we do. It costs us sometimes and I personally think it's silly to do that even after you get the result you need and the game is almost over. . . But that is the barca philosophy and we NEVER EVER play defensively. We might bring more defensive players on the field, but we never stop pushing forward and looking for goals.

Compare that to the nonsense these clowns played. Small time them go dey talk say " the beautiful game". I swear if I ever hear one arsenal fan talk about beautiful attacking football again na shokpona i go send come your house. deluded wenger-kokoro-sucking buncha monkeys.

Now let's imagine Bendtner had scored that chance he had. . . These goofballs will be hear claiming to be efficient and to have been the better team over 2 legs. I swear i think some of these guys deserve to be shot. start with this Debosky guy   E ba mi pa a da nu

ohhhh, so you changed your mind? i can swear i have seen you defending these spineless gooks as the best football team in england. what changed?

dayokanu:

krayola shouldn't be doing that to debosky.

debosky:

That was posted as a response to a daft comment that Arsenal never left their half, NOT to count the shot.

good luck on that!

The fact that Bendtner had a chance to shoot, as well as Diaby in the second half prove that it was possible - we will never know because the referee interrupted the strategy.

nope, the fact that bendtner had a chance to shoot proves arsenal could have gone for it with or without van persie. you just shot yourself in the foot. the fact that van persie was sent off didn't completely ruin arsenal's chances of qualifying. bendtner had a golden chance. if you had tried more, you would have copped other chances.

That is utter bollocks - you play to the WHISTLE. . . he didn't hear it, end of story.

well, the whistle sounded. . . . .van persie chose not to hear it. the outcome was spine-chilling.

debosky:

Did RVP get sent off in his own half? Did we get a corner kick in our own half? (note both incidents took place within 10 minutes of the second half). I said stop spewing half baked nonsense.

this boy is a tool. rvp get sent off in the barca half(but he was offside) so it renders his position and his wayward shot useless. this is why his attempt wasn't recorded as a shot off target.

You lack the ability to appreciate tactics - the AIM was to keep things tight and hit them late on just as we did at the Emirates. If you can't appreciate that the sending off prevented that then quit now.

hit who late? how were you ever going to do that? at the emirates, the intent was clear - arsenal kept hitting on counter-attacks in the first half and would have scored with a bit of luck and quality. last night, i saw none of that. wenger came to defend a 2-1 lead. he was never going to come out of his shell and attack and yet this silly french pedo criticizes bottom teams of parking the bus against his team in the premier league. such hypocrisy!

Can you stop a shot within a second of hearing the whistle (if indeed he heard it)? This is what you get from people who have no understanding of football.

van persie knew he was offside before the whistle went off. look at his body language again when he made his first touch on the ball.

It is daft to fail to realise that the sending off permanently disrupted Arsenal's tactical plan.

it shouldn't have. as at the time van persie was sent off, the score was 1-1. arsenal's 10 men should be good enough to have seen that through.

FBS:

My friend stop talking outta your arse. what nonsense. Tell me if you ever left your half even with 11?
You were not in the game at all. You showed no balls. nothing. What part of your head did you watch the match with?
Quit the ogogoro you are drinking and think with your head if you have one.
Rvp got a second yellow 'cos going by his reaction it was clear he heard the whistle. What was the ref to do?
All these megefedes and blaming the ref is outright daft to say the least.

The earlier you move on the better but when you have arsewen saying the same thing as the fans, then it is clear what direction you are moving.

arsenal fans have rubbished other english clubs that went to camp nou in the past of parking the bus. what i saw from arsene wenger yesterday was a disgrace. chelsea weren't that poor. . . .neither were united when they went to camp nou. arsenal did not even get out of their half. how can a team play football for 90 mins without attempting a shot on target, without attempting a shot off target. it means arsenal didn't even shoot over the bar throughout 90 mins. wenger should lookat the performance of his boys rather than blame the referee. arsenal disgraced the premier league.

Mr_TA:

Strong rumours suggest Antonio Valencia will be in the squad for the Arsenal match on Sunday.

he travelled with the team to anfield i think but he was chalked off the team list just before the kick-off. we need pace on the flanks and i think fergie should just play the twins on the flanks. rafael and fabio will do a better job than giggs or fletcher on the flanks. play o'shea and evra as full backs, rafael as a right winger and fabio as a left winger.

ritchboy:

Fair enough, Arsenal's goal was fortuitous as well, but that's not the point i was making. The point is for all Barcelona's possession and shot's their break came from an unforced error.

with the way arsenal parked the truck at camp nou, barca were denied the space they needed to score goals. how did barca's goal come about from an unforced error? this is a team that presses everywhere on the pitch. what cesc was trying to do was smart if it had paid off but barca players knew exactly what cesc wanted to do and they intercepted it. that wasn't an unforced error. against teams like wigan or bolton, cesc would get away with that everyday of the week.

Messi wasn't in possession of the ball when Diaby touched him. I've seen them given but that was far from a "stone-wall" pen.

he was in possession. that was a smart dribbling skills from messi and diaby caught his legs. that was a stone-wall pen in europe.

Now you've shot urself in the foot. According to you Abidal should have been sent off for having his hand on another player's face. . . I still don't recall any Arsenal player ever having his hand on a Barca player's face.

except that abidal had his hands on a player's neck. neck is not face, ritchboy. try again.

How is it time wasting if your team are still celebrating? Would Barca kick-off with Arsenal players still celebrating in their own half?

the exact reason why any of your players shouldn't have done that. waste time by prolonging the celebration. don't kick the ball away. yet again, arsenal's inexperience/lack of discipline was their undoing last night. some of those yellow cards/incidents could have been avoided.

Even if RvP heard the whistle that still doesnt warrant a second yellow. That's simply shocking refereeing.

it does if you were already cautioned. the referee must have seen his mistake during the break by not punishing van persie more severely for his slap on dani alves. he had robin on his mind and van persie gave the referee the perfect opportunity to be sent off. van persie's attempt on goal was out of frustration. if robin didn't hear the whistle like he claims , he would have made a better use of the ball than he did and his body-language after his terrible miss would have been different.