OP, as regards your topic, why exactly are you calling out atheists and not evolutionist if you needed some clearance on evolution?

Truth is; all of these politicians are worth hanging over a cliff, but its quite sad seeing the youths on this thread taking sides, drawing faults, making out alibis.
Little wonder they take you all for granted, you all are pathy, how fatuous... morons.

HardMirror:


The bolded makes me laugh. so all doctors are christians now? Or all scientists are christians now? So I can't use my own common sense to weigh claims and decide, I have to follow your few supposed converted scientists?
Abeg talk better talk. Don't digress from the topic

Lol u get time.

macof:



lmao. I thought my post would confuse you a bit. . I was right


lemme say those ancestors that had the knowledge and shared it were the Gods themselves


Historically, at around say 500BC sub saharan africa probably didn't have shrines at all. .. even today some of the oldest african cultures don't have shrines dedicated to Gods eg. Baka, San, Gbaya people.. there are of course many more


hence this shrines and temples were more like schools learning the ways of the "Gods"

Oh okay, if I catch your drift correctly, your insinuation implies that gods=ancestors=forefathers, and there is nothing supernatural about them, just tradition.

1stCitizen:


I do get it very well. You shot yourself on the foot with that statement. Accept it a move on.

I never shot myself in the foot, you only twisted my words just to serve your point.
Anyway whatever makes you sleep at night, besides I prefer having these sorts of arguments verbally.

1stCitizen:


Your bitterness or anger displayed by that statement and the attempt to clarify issues are diametrically opposed to each other.

You have no problem with those who get it wrong but then go on to say you get displeased.Contradictory innit?

It may do you good to read what exposed your bitterness and grudge even if you fail to realize it's there. Your analogy of a student does not fit in with your 'thoughts' as stated here.



So much for live and let live
.

You would never get my point, you're hardwired to believe what you want.
perhaps some other time.

macof:


what our forefathers believed is different from Christianity and Islam pls. there were people who devoted their lives to unraveling mysteries of the universe rather than just say "a god did it"
take yorubaland for instance. ..the people who made the most contribution to the understanding of a particular aspect of nature were in fact the "Gods" ie. Orisa
and I believe it is similar in other parts of sub Saharan africa

that is if you understand what I'm saying

Am a proud African and I respect our traditions, and I regard the African gods(orisas) unlike the imported ones, not that I believe either actually exist.
But don't you feel this said understanding of nature like herbs for instance which you said were given to us by the gods, were actually knowledge gained via experiences by our ancestors and later passed down generations and not based on the divine intervention of the orisas(gods)? Aren't the gods just a representation of the supernatural (which is nonexistent) and most especially, tradition/culture?
I don't believe in the supernatural and gods.

1stCitizen:


I based my conclusions on research which were stated on this thread. You guys believe in empirical evidence don't you. So here it is staring right back at you.
You don't néed a psychologist to see the bitterness in this statement or grudge.

That is the route to Atheism based on facts. Please disprove same with facts and not sentiments.

Your conclusions are not far-fetched.
That isn't my own route to atheism, along with many others, might be for some selected few, but not me, so please stop going about with that opinion proudly displayed on your divan, don't generalize it.
I have no problem with you theists, as long as you live and let live.

Bitterness? In what respect? What I dont fancy is the ignorance, am an academic, so its very normal.
If am marking scripts of a student and he seems to get it all wrong I wouldn't be pleased.

macof:


The idea of ur religion and ur god came from them

That is what I said.

1stCitizen:


We could categorize atheists into four main areas:

Those who lack belief
Those who don't know if God exists
Those who doubt that God exists
Those who believe God does not exist

There are Atheists who have no belief in any god or gods (weak atheism). They may not know or doubt.

Then there are Anti-theists who are against the idea of God's existence (strong atheism).

They still are the same thing. I can relate with the latter who have a stronger conviction than the former who basically seem neither here nor there and seem lost.

The point is they all go through the same route to Atheism. Frustration, failure and disappointment brings doubt, resentment, grudge or outright unbelief.

You're getting this all wrong, about 65% of global atheist population were never for once in their life theist, so where does the disappointment, failure and frustration come in to play when they were never for once theistic?
I don't belief in god because there is no proof of his existence, its just a big whole universe, and religion doesn't cut it for me, that's why I seek knowledge anywhere I can find it.
Religion is just a lazy way out of the many things we don't know about our planet.
Many mysteries on our planet that the ancient men credited to a godly existence has been long discredited by science, and a lot more uncovering is going on, because you don't know how something happened, that doesn't give anyone a right to say a god did it, that's what our forefathers did, and that's why all religions and gods are manmade.
You are a christian and you believe your god is the one true god, while disbelieving in over a thousand other gods that exist today, what makes yours the true god and others a counterfeit?
I hope you get my drift.
And as regards your paragraph above claiming atheists who aren't anti-theist are still in doubt about god's existence is a clear cut hogwash, because I decided to let sleeping dogs lie, that doesn't necessary mean I don't think your doctrines are quite comical, we are just tolerant, 'why i entertain the bullocks, that doesn't mean am in doubts or the thought of religions and your theist gods doesn't make me sick inside.
Some atheist and anti-theist theist converts might convert based on some petty reason like disappointments and frustrations, but not all converts are that petty.

1stCitizen:


A personal grudge built by frustration especially when things go pear shaped in their lives hence God is to blame or does not exist. Very convenient

With all due respect Mr, there is quite an apparent difference between an Anti-theist and an Atheist, do not mix the two up.

Atheists have no grudge with your god, your religion or every other theist like yourself, they just don't believe in them, their disbelief in god vis-a-vis religion isn't centered around frustrations, an atheist has no grudge with you, an atheist does not belief in your god, and doesn't care about your theistic ways or your theistic gods.

While some other atheist are anti-theist, and here is where the distinction lies, an anti-theist attacks theistic believes and doctrines, while a regular atheist does not.
Some former theist who are now both anti-theist and atheist may have some grudge with their former theist God, hence the graduation from atheism to anti-theism, but other anti-theist do so because they feel religion is wrong and harmful to the populace so they attack theistic doctrines every chance they get.
All anti-theists are atheists, but not all atheists are anti-theists.
Thank you.

Most comments on this thread are just so ignorant, the brainwash is so huge and palpable, it makes me sick.
Religion is truly an epidemic.

buharisbae:
Now everybody can attest to the fact that the devil truly hails from the US! this is like the most useless thing I've seen in my life so I shouldn't take my child to church by force? abi are u the one that gave me the child to train? all this westerner be thinking with their anus! now I can say we are truly in the END TIME!

Funny same westerners brought you religion(christianity), but they seem to not take it as serious as you do.

Sunnycliff:
As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!
My Children must go to Church with me till they are 18, and can now make their choice.

Train up a child the way he should go and when he is old he will not depart from it!

18 years is more than enough time for a total brain wash.

400billionman:


I have personally sighted flying objects at night like boulders of fire as a kid.

Moreover Youtube is your friend. You go watch sightings tire..

Don't trust everything you see on the internet, most are doctored, however this doesn't rule out the possibility of UFO sightings.

This is nice, I reared rabbits a little in my early teens, but I became attached to them, couldn't eat the meat or sell them lol

By Nigerian standards, Ibadan is a beauty city no doubt, but it is all mediocre compared with international standards.
Anyway this would have made a beautiful thread if the OP wasn't set out to ridicule the Eastern parts of the country.
The topic is just too infantile.

gocac:
dangote please be informed you will import crude that you will refine oh.... because niger delta oil can not be refined in lagos... shey lagos is now an oil producing state? ok.... no pipeline from niger delta willl deliver crude to that refinery. the marginalization can no longer exist.

If he would be getting crude from the Nigerdelta, its a private business, I wouldn't assume he'd get it for free.

Saintp:
I thought the confab recommended regionalism or fiscal autonomy. If it still talks about sharing formula then for the first time i have to agree with PMB on this, it has to be thrown to the archives. We want a permanent solution to the critical issues not half measures.

Exactly.

goxx:
what?! Kidding me? Breaking bad is even slightly rated above game of thrones.

wayne4loan:
breaking is almost the same level with level with game of throne ... I will rate it 9.5/10

IamOpemipo:


A very great show, badass man Walter white, dnt let the simplicity @ d beginin of the show fool u tho, breakin bad is fuckin addictive

Waoh, are you shittin' me, would check it out this coming weekend.

HeavenlyBang:


Let's put it this way: Game of Thrones is objectively the greatest tv show ever. Only Breaking Bad comes close. If GoT is a 10/10, The Originals is probably a 6.5. I rate shows like Supernatural at an 8 or so; the first five seasons, at least.

Breaking bad is that good?

johnydon22:


Blaze on ... #Grabs seat and watch... Anticipating a war soon though

I would be dumb strucked if anyone attempts to defend this though, honestly. This should be a pass and jump situash, no need for back and forths, Lol but theist on here have defied greater logic, however wavering their counter.
Anyway i would observe from a million miles away

KingEbukaNaija:


I wonder why you are floundering over a simple request . Can you show us why atheism is a better choice , Im not sure what Im going to do with your circumlocution . Stop your show of grandiloquence and start making sense .

Well... enjoy the rest of your day.

KingEbukaNaija:


I still haven't seen where you pointed out why atheism is a better choice .

Oh. you really are expecting me to convince you? No hermano, i won't do that, I am not obligated to.
I am a theist from birth and remained so for a little over two decades, and yet i found reason myself
and preferred my status quo, nobody personally influenced my decision to segue, so if you refuse to
see reason despite far fetched hitherto compelling evidences, and common logic, then its your choice
to be a diehard.
Besides am Agnostic.

KingEbukaNaija:


The incessant blatant show of ignorance by the atheists is indeed ineffable . Can you give me any reason why atheism is a better choice seeing that atheists are immoral , debauchees , have the disposition to show bigotry and are malevolent towards the religious ?

Debauchedness, Ignorance, Immorality and Bigotry all these adjectives do no Atheist justice and am not talking referring to the follow-follow ones, if anything your adjectives which you proudly display on your divan defines your regular theist, which you sir just attested to with your unguarded and rather obscene demeanour.
I have met quite a handful atheist and more theist, and having a scale on both belief systems level of ignorance isn't even arguable because its too apparent.

You theists are very rude and you just proved this as well and quite ignorant, and I must add, cowardly; yeah, you guys are cowards, you're too scared too discard an illogical premise because you hold it sacrosanct, inviolable.
Anyway it's your glass of beer.
Here is an unbeliever who begs your reason, which would have made a valid civil argument with good points raised and researched but instead you waned in with all claws and a dragons breath and here you are mirroring your groups reflection on another.
I find this funny.

KingEbukaNaija:


Any thread created by an atheist is usually reason-deficient with all the bla bla bla against religion as if atheism is anything close to rationality Now , read my second response to him and give me an answer

Reason deficient? You really gonna stand by this ludicrous opinion with a straight face?

iaamxavier:
i still pose this question to atheist y do most atheist bear religious name eg mark zuckerbeg , seun osewa , my friend john etc y dont change their name after converting its quite pathetic tho.

What you are insinuating is that, there was never a Seun before religion made it way to Africa? or that perhaps Mark of the bible was the first person to ever answer to that name?
Your logic is flawed mano.
Besides the meaning of someone's name as regards their belief is insignificant.

ritababe:


check all his thread and see how he mocks Christianity, let me speak my mind.

Because seun owns nairaland does that mean he can't voice his thought out opinions just like everybody else on this forum?
He isn't forcing anyone to read or make some rule subject to his stance, or did he?

Amusaopeyemi:

It is great. Almost on the same level as GOT

Waoh, I would check it out.

Amusaopeyemi:

Chill with Vikings till GOT returns.

Vikings? Never head of it, is it that good?

Emmyk:

2017. Go watch some other series.

Haha its quite unfortunate GOT is the only series I follow.
Just GOT, The strain and walking dead.
And all of them don follow break go