₦airaland Forum

rhymz:
I am more concerned if it is free or another business venture. I have lost respect for a lot of these MOGs, it will take a while for me to go to church again cos it seems "men of God" these days are as vane as the people they preach to. Everything to them these days is business, charity is usually pittance but the ones that will involve large chunk of cash is no charity, so much talk about giving your widow's might.
Until I confirm that whatever it is they do there is free of Charge, I will just siddon dey look them as dem dey decieve their very dumb congregations.

9dynasty:
then read your bible in your parlor and stop whining stop quoting "men of GOD"u're a complete waste of bandwidth and of course AIR and living space.

lwkmd u hv hit d nail on d head, nice 1!

Avalani:
My main concern with this post isn't with a pastor (or more correctly, a church) building a hospital. Rather, it is with the subject title: "Pastor Adeboye builds 100m,  blah blah". How did Pastor Adeboye earn 100m in the first place? It really isn't enough to build a hospital if at the end of the day you take all the glory for it. A humble and honest person will distance his personal name from such accomplishments seeing that it wasn't his personal money that achieved it, but rather church offerings, tithes, vows, and gifts. Even if Pastor Adeboye somehow managed to earn 100m (without the canopy of the church, which -mind you- doesn't belong to him or his family), shouldn't he or his members learn from the bible who teaches us to give in secret so that we can blessed by God who sees in the secret. The Bible advises that the left hand shouldn't see what the right hand gives or sth like that. Why publicize it? There are people building hospitals and schools all over the world with their own money, yet they stay anonymous.

Yet, what do we get today, people using God's money for all sorts of things, from selfish private jets, through money-making schools, to charitable hospitals, BUT taking all the glory by attaching their names to such.

Would it hurt (or cost so much) if we gave in secret?

u r also a complete waste of bandwidth nd AIR and space, mscheww

ok bruv, call me 07063834675,

Bheembor:
Human beings naturally  are not always contented with pple's status: If you are poor they complain, If you are rich they complain as. Men of God are not to be spoken about unjustly, Its better you keep your mouths shut and not evoke curses on your generations. Remember, touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm

tell dem oh,

how neat is the fone?? can i pay 9k?

can d tour wif d accessories go 4 25k?

can d curve 3 go for 25k?

hw neat is d tour? does it come wif accesories? can it fly 4 22k?

thehomer:
Ok. You believe these things but how did you arrive at this belief? What did you see that made you come to this belief?

wen i jst look at nature nd hw beautiful it is, a human being cannot create dis na

[quote author=maxpro-xl link=topic=681393.msg8477305#msg8477305 date=1307520118]@ RHYMZ
its so sad and painful for you, your mindset is locked for u to say my argument is an expression of folly. am sure you dont have a pentecostal background. a typical mindset of most un-informed Nigerians. Tell me, are u a christian? If you are, do u give tithes & offering. If you do, what motivates you to keep giving. As l noted before, am not a member of winners chapel but l know their history. In your opinion pastors should be poor or are not allowed to acquire luxury toys they can afford. you even extended your hatred to dangote. even bill gates donates within the church and also to foundations owned by senators/govt officials in the US.

so u mean philanthropy within the church is not charity. society members are also church members. most of the prominent american music stars today came from the church. the fact is all pastors on global evangelism dont have to go through the hassle of flight delays, cancelled flights & airport issues. even pastors that cant afford this toy also desire it. but the proof of desire is pursuit. most of them desire it but dont take practical steps. l mean they dont pray about it with faith trusting God to deliver.

you will rather pity a struggling pastor but why envy a prospering pastor. its so sad the height of poverty mindset in this environment. the oprah winfrey u mentioned has her "private jets" & yatch at her beck & call. she also donates to pastors too. tell me, is there a sin in that.

God uses this same oyedepo to heal the sick, to cast our demons, to break the yoke of poverty, to deliver men from all oppressions of the devil. u need to travel out to see how church ministries are operated. oyedepo once said that when he visited Dr K. C PRICE in the US years ago, he discovered & learnt how a proper church office should be operated. that is a man who keeps learning. he came back to Nigeria & applied what he learnt. INFORMATION BRINGS TRANSFORMATION ONLY WHEN CORRECTLY APPLIED.

point of correction, l said oyedepo is among the top three "pastors" invloved in charity. not the highest donor in Nigeria. among pastors, he's arguably the number one donor not just to Nigerians, but also to foreigners. do u know the oyedepo u criticise has given $5million to a popular ministry in america towards the less priviledged. the senior pastor of that ministry gave a testimony of how he donated $1million at winners chapel and by that single act of obedience to GOD, he was able to acquire a private jet he has longed for. that pastor is the popular CREFLO DOLLAR. the same oyedepo donates constantly to the ministry of MIKE MURDOCK, BILLY GRAHAM, ORAL ROBERTS, KENETH HAGIN, KENETH COPELAND, BENNY HINN, K.C PRICE, CREFLO DOLLAR & TBN CHANNEL ON DSTV. these are all american based ministries. do you know that winners as a ministry pays tithes to redeem. Do u know that oyedepo supports most foundations in Nigeria. do you know, he supports others ministries involved in charity.

see the fact is, to command supernatural blessings, u need to sow seeds. not just cash, but giving your time, energy & intellect to others.  to judge this case, l will leave u to read carefully the article by "dele momodu" of ovation magazine in defence of PASTOR ADEBOYE OF REDEEM when people like you almost crucified him when he acquire his private jet. bigger and better than any one owned by winners chapel.
LIFE IS IN PHASES & MEN ARE IN SIZES SO FOCUS ON YOUR VISION AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS TO EXCEL.[/quote]God bless u bro, dis rhymzo dude nd his pple r daft fellows! They hv all bin answered! I hv always sed so, u shud use d fact dat bishop bought d jets as a point of contact 4 urs. They r 2 daft 2 know dat. I hv decided nt 2 answer dem again cus dey tend 2 abuse d privilege of stupidity givn 2 dem. Mschewww! Maxpro, gud job!

[quote author=Ad+ link=topic=685191.msg8477457#msg8477457 date=1307521897]EFCC is so silly how can you accuse an ex-speaker of samsung tv and photocopier!! if EFCC does not have anything to say let them stop mwasting our time.The people involved will go and fake reciepts and Bankole will go home free.[/quote]thank u very much ma broda, dis EFCC guys r !diots! i wonder wat photo copiers nd tvs hv to do wif dis, dont b surprised if Bankole had pleaded wif Jonathan nd dey jst made dese up! JONATHAN! dis is nt a way 2 start ur regime,

tom28:
True word
Nigeria wouldnt have a chance with a full Argentine soccer squard and besides we shouldnt be making noises over victories at friendlies.I recall some yrs ago the Super Eagles under Oningbinde performed well in the friendlies organised by NFA but then had to crash out of the 2002 korea/japan World cup managing to score only one goal.I still stand by the fact that if Argentina had used a full squard they would have finished off nigeria.Nigeria is not in the same league with the Argentines.

thnk u oo ma broda! i tot i was d only 1 thinkn lyk dat, see wat we did wif Ethopia na, can u imagine?

emre07:
still available

dude! do u agree 4 35k? moni here wif me cash!

thehomer:
What do you know of this supreme being's characteristics?

well, i believe He is a loving and kind, nd perfect God! He knows evrytin bcus He created evrytin

KDK:
i totally agree with you, the way some of our nigerian brothers think.

oga, u r convinced nw abi?? We cudnt beat ordinary ethopia afta 'trashin' argentina 4-1. So u shud b celebratin by nw innit? U celebrate mediocrity! Y is fifa investigatin d match? Mscheww! Dey deceive urself!

I sed it b4, dey sed i was a critic, hav y'all seen it nw?
Den 1 fxtop, wateva is comin 2 claim he knows futball! Mscheww!
U cant expect argentina 2 come wif a squad lyk dat knowin fully well, d hype behind d match. It was 2 clear! Den d ref awards a penalty 3 mins afta d final whistle was supposed 2 b blown wen dere was no stoppin of play. We beat argentina 4-1, den we come draw Ethopia 2-2! Does dat make sense? Isnt dat supposed 2 boost our morale? God help us.

Evil Brain:
This is a pointless argument. The fact is no amount of evidence, logic or explanation is enough to convince theists of their folly. "Faith is the evidence of things not seen" meaning anyone can just make something up and it will magically exist. No need for proof, it doesn't even need to make any sense.

You should read about the Mormons and the Scientologists if you want to see how dumb faith and religion can make people. I'm seriously thinking of writing my own holy book just for fun. It'll be ten times better than the bible, with more wise parables and funnier stories. With the power of the internet, starting  your own religion has never been easier.

BTW, has anyone noticed that Martian has made exactly 666 posts? I always knew he was the antichrist!

lwkmd!!! Hahahahahahahahaha!!! Funniest dude on NL!!! LOL!!

thehomer:
Which God do you believe exists?

i believe dere's a supreme being, an Almighty dat created all of dis tins we r seeing but He has bin misquoted nd different stories forged about Him in d bible!

justwise:
Can you for the sake of every decent Nigerian write anything sensible? Try it and do some justice to your degree qualification.

i see ur problem, u hv a huge challenge readin nd understanding, nd even answerin questions. Nw lemme make it easy 4 a dumb dude:
1. Is it ur moni dat he's using 2 buy d private jets?
2. Is ur private jet missing? (dat is, if u or ur generation, yet unborn will afford a private jet while in existence).
3. Has d buyin of private jets affected u in any way?
4. Do u attend faith tabernacle? Or has any member complained 2 u?

If ur answers r 'yes' so convince me,
but if its 'no' STFU! (incase u r 2 daft 2 know wat d means, it means shut the fck up!).

I know u hv a problem readin, so if u dont answer my questions, i'll nt respond 2 u!

musKeeto:
The funny thing is that most of what martian says is in the Bible


Isaiah 44
The blacksmith takes a tool
  and works with it in the coals;
he shapes an idol with hammers,
  he forges it with the might of his arm.
He gets hungry and loses his strength;
  he drinks no water and grows faint.
13 The carpenter measures with a line
  and makes an outline with a marker;
he roughs it out with chisels
  and marks it with compasses.
He shapes it in human form,
  human form in all its glory,
  that it may dwell in a shrine.
14 He cut down cedars,
  or perhaps took a cypress or oak.
He let it grow among the trees of the forest,
  or planted a pine, and the rain made it grow.
15 It is used as fuel for burning;
  some of it he takes and warms himself,
  he kindles a fire and bakes bread.
But he also fashions a god and worships it;
  he makes an idol and bows down to it.
16 Half of the wood he burns in the fire;
  over it he prepares his meal,
  he roasts his meat and eats his fill.
He also warms himself and says,
  “Ah! I am warm; I see the fire.”
17 From the rest he makes a god, his idol;
  he bows down to it and worships.
He prays to it and says,
  “Save me! You are my god!”
18 They know nothing, they understand nothing;
  their eyes are plastered over so they cannot see,
  and their minds closed so they cannot understand.
19 No one stops to think,
  no one has the knowledge or understanding to say,
“Half of it I used for fuel;
  I even baked bread over its coals,
  I roasted meat and I ate.
Shall I make a detestable thing from what is left?
  Shall I bow down to a block of wood?”
20 Such a person feeds on ashes; a deluded heart misleads him;
  he cannot save himself, or say,
  “Is not this thing in my right hand a lie?”


Romans 1
The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

I used to say similar things before I became a Christian, and was shocked when I found these verses in the Bible. In any other book, I would have referred to it as atheism material.

thank u very much oga!!! May u b blessed even more! Dat is d truth. We'll jst ask God for guidance cus all dese pastors eh,

Clap 4 ur self !diot! U must hv read d dictionary very well b4 respondi 2 me, considerin d fact dat it took u ages 2 respond. D trash u wrote was jst 2 long so I cudnt read. Must u show ur inferiority nd ur low self esteem personality 2 d world? In my school, i wasnt taught grammars, instead I was taught to impact my world positively. U must b so proud of urself ryt nw.
secondly, is it u dat wants 2 employ me? , u make me laff! U ddnt expect me 2 go 2 dat skul nd come out lookin 4 a job nw. Oh sorry, u r daft! U wud hv thought so. Its not bragging if u can back it up. U rily need 2 get ur head examined oh. U jst spit grammar b'cus u want 2 address me but nuffin 2 show 4 it. I pray 1 day, u get 2 understand wat financial wealth is. Pauper!

Martian:
If you're writing a work of fiction, wouldn't you want it to be as interesting as possible? If god had just said, " I forgive all you puny humans", then it would have been end of story and the epic conclusion in the book of revelations wouldn't have been possible. Boring, ain't it.

god is fabricated so they are using it the way it's supposed to be used, manipulate people e.g collect tithes, offerings, seeds, etc and build a university.

I think someone posted it and your folks rationalised it by saying, those are not "true christians" and that miracles are really real even though they have never seen one.

i believe God exists buh He has been misinterpreted nd misquoted. So wat is d truth??

Pls sum1 shud convince me again, God is soo mighty innit? Y shud he send His only son 2 deliver us 4rm d devil?? Sum1 he created? Y ddnt He use His mighty hand 2 deliver us instead of sacrificin His only son, R we sure sum pple r nt jst takin advantage of d name of God, 2 fabricate stories? Dese r questions dat i hv bin ponderin on?

musKeeto:
I started asking questions a long time ago. Getting answers and comparing with what's in the Scriptures. Searching for men who were atheists and became Christian e.g C.S Lewis, etc. It's been a year of discovery and discernment.
With all due respect, I hope you start seeking answers. Stay in God's Word, and His Word only. Somehow, the answers just pop out.

By the way, no be you bin dey do John Terry for that Oyedepo thread? Wetin happen na? 

lwkmd!! Hommie, u hv 2 undastand dat i hv already sed am a graduate of covenant uni, though i undastand wat u guys r sayin, I argue wif oda members of d church supportin wat u jst sed. Buh i cant jst show weakness lyk dat na, 4.2 billion is too much na! Wetin!
Most pple r nw openin churches as a means of business, na wa oh,
No fall ma hand 4 dat thread abeg, hope u undastand wat i mean, Lmao,
Talkn about d bible contradictions, dey r soooo many eh, search in google 4 101 bible contradictions, u'll b surprised! So dis book we all refer to, is deceivin us, God hv mercy!

Infact sum catholic priests r even sayin most of dese tins in d bible r fictions nd dat d original manuscripts r missing!
Wetin we wan believe ma broda??

musKeeto:
@Dabraska
So you agree your Papa is a businessman,  thank goodness

if u had been folowin ma prev comments since, u wudnt argue wif me, he's of course a 1st-class business man but he's also a man of God, dats wat i've bin tryn 2 make dese paupers undastand since.

Nw i see dis place is filled wif stark illiterates nd paupers who jst believe dat dey shud b d 1 receivin alone,
Dey talk lyk dey hv neva read a bible in dier lyf! I wudnt b surprised if most of den r muslims, den dat means i hv bin wastin ma tym.
U seem nt 2 know who a pastor is, d bible sed, 'come let me make u fishers of men', Jesus ddnt giv dem fish! His job, cus I hv sed it tyms wifout numba, is 2 teach u hw 2 b fufiled nd successful, nt givin u! Do u know hw many pple he has helped?? So bcus u ddnt hear of it, he hasnt done anytin? If he helps pple, dey shud put it in d news 4 u illiterates 2 know, u guys r pathetic! Even tho he sells all d jets nd donates d moni 2 pple wifout moni, sum oda pple dat perhaps ddnt see anytin, will still complain, human beings r very hard 2 please, for christs sake, r we complainin 2 u goats?? Y nt face ur Mohammeds nd ur idols, bill gates!
Hw many pple him go help?? Mschewwww! Na poverty go still kill una gbeyin.

exactly!! we nid to start askin questions cus, sum pple r nt sure of wat dey r doin again, God help us!

justwise:
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Just when i thought u are getting better, you even go down the drain, work on your ability to comprehend a line of sentence.

As for me dying of hunger. . the day u afford a flight ticket to the UK i will feed and accommodate u till the day u will return to the Nigeria

oh so u r abroad?? dat was wat u wantd me 2 know? wow, okay hw many days did it take u in a engine of a ship 2 get dere?
nd talkn abt feedn me, hv u bin able to feed urself? i cn giv u ma fone numba incase u nid me to get a ticket back to naija cus i noe ur almost dead ova dere, nd cant afford to come back home dnt wori, i noe d authorities!
now dats blessing!

Newest:
[size=8pt]Its obvious u and your mentor and crazy,

does impacting other people's lives only when you give material things?
I thank God have never received 1kobo from Winners but all what i am today was through the help of God via the prosperity covenant i came across in that church, so shut your mouth up and besides who says u should call him a Pastor
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thnk God 4 ur life!! so we stil hv sensible pple on nairaland?? u r very correct ma friend! let dem continue criticisin nd still live in dier poverty both financially nd in all aspects!