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naijadeyhia:
Again I tell you...Nobodg was born a Christian. My parents were not Christians (christlike) they lied and cheated and all that so they ought to have been my moral compass but I CHOSE a different path.

So you don't lie, you don't cheat, you love your enemies and pray for them, you love your neighbor as you love your self, you turn the other cheek when slapped, you give out your coat when a person takes your shirt, you perform wonders at will etc?

naijadeyhia:
This statement alone shows you are afraid of Hell so you are trying to wish it away.

I am not. It doesn't matter if you believe me or not. I can not be afraid of an imaginary idea. Hell is just a human idea of the after life like reincarnation. It's just like saying that I am afraid of reincarnation. I can't be afraid of it because it is a human construction and imagination about the afterlife which they constructed.

KingEbukaNaija:
Wow ! How exactly is this a reasonable conclusion You surmised that Christ is mythical simply because you believe I am not doing greater things than Him . Plus did you also ask close to 3 billion Christians that question before you arrived at that reason-deficient conclusion ?

Dalaman , why ? Why ? Why ?

I don't need to ask anybody. I just need to ask you because you are a christian that truly believes in Jesus but you are unable to do greater things than him as he promised you because it is a lie. If we are to go by all christians then please name one christian that has done anything greater than Jesus did.

winner01:
I dont like Hell, but it exists. Same way I dont like death, but it exists.

Do you want me to pretend like it does not esist?.

Sure, hell exist but only in your sadistic mind. Death is a characteristic of all living things. While hell is an imaginary idea of sadistic religious people that want to use fear to get people in line.

KingEbukaNaija:
How will you know we are not doing greater things ? From your bed in your house Do you live with me or haven't you blatantly abnegated the plethora of miracles witnessed by millions worldwide ?

If you were doing it you will be all over the news. You would probably be walking on water somewhere , calming down some storm somewhere or healing and amputee somewhere and restoring his/her amputated limbs instead of shooting blanks on the Internet with some atheist. People would have been writing about your great exploits as well since that was what was promised you. Instead you can't even convince your next door neighbor.

winner01:
Dalaman, dont change the argument na.
Dont you have any other thing to say on morality?

The type of morality that claims that people deserve to be tortured in fire for ever when they die because they refuse to accept stories or live in a particular way? You have nothing to say about morality of you believe in that sadistic and repulsive idea.

KingEbukaNaija:
This guy must have been to all the Christian households and countries to have made this brilliant conclusion . This Lagos man

I don't need to go to all christian house hold. Do you believe in Jesus? Yes you do. Why are you not doing greater things than Jesus even though he promised you that? Because it is a lie and the promise is mythical. Case closed. If it is true you will be doing it, but since it is a lie you can't despite all your belief.

winner01:
Look around you. Look at nairaland, look at foreign atheist forums.

Then come back to tell me the God that atheists concern themselves with.

I wouldnt concern myself with a lie either.

Its simply because most atheist were former Christians or from.the west where christianity is the dominant religion. Visit ex muslim forums on the Internet. Jesus and the bible gets no menton. Only Allah and the Koran.

[quote author=KingEbukaNaija post=47614749][/quote]If Christ is not a myth you should be doing greater things than him . After all he promised you that you will do that. You can't because his promise is mythical.

naijadeyhia:
He asked me to be like Jesus and not like any pastor so I have looked at the life of Jesus and I loved it so I embraced it. Simple as that.

Give it a try.

And you are like Jesus how? Jesus will not be wasting time on the Internet with atheist will he? He'll be busy showing them signs and wonders. We were told that Jesus did so many great things that if all were to be written down all the books in the world will not contain them. This is the man you said you are supposed to take after and be like instead you are buying doing he said , she said with atheist despite Jesus promising you the ability to do greater things that him if you believe. You can't do anything like him because it is simply a lie and a myth.

winner01:
Dont miss the point. Other christians are not my standard.
Christ is my standard.

You should give it a try too.

Christ is a myth that is why he can not be any bodies standard. If Christ is your standard then you should be doing greater things than he promised those of you that believe in him to be doing. Of Christ is your standard you won't be here on the Internet arguing on the Internet with atheist and failing to prove anything to them apart from perpetuating propaganda.

The construct of Christ is an.impossible myth that is why no christian on earth can be like him. Where are the christians that love their neighbors the way they love themselves? Where are the christians that love their enemies and and pray for them? Where are the Christains that turn the other cheek and give out their coats when people take their shirts as they are told to do by Jesus? Where are the Christains that perform magical feast like Jesus? Where are those raising people from the dead , healing people at will, feeding thousands people with 2 fish and 5 loafs of bread? Where are the christians that are doing greater things than Jesus as he promised those that believe in him? There is non because all the promises are fake and what he proposed is even impossible for Christains to practice that is why throughout history christians have never been different to non christians when it comes to morality or the issue of goodness. Christains are NOT better human beings than non christians, they have never been aND will never be. Just take a lot at all the churches in the world and see the nonsense that is going on in there.

winner01:
90% of unmarried christians are not Christ.

And that is further proof that Nigerians are pretending to be religious.

You are NOT different from the average Nigerian christian on the street. No matter how you lie to your self you aren't any different.

naijadeyhia:
Just answer my question and not this epistle.

I have already answered.

naijadeyhia:
Dalaman again your reasoning is flawed. Lets assume for you hell is not real and you are allowed to live and die at a ripe old age. Which is better;

Allowing you to live to a ripe old age and die naturally or be killed and your life cut short by someone who hates you because you believe in what you believe?

Now lets also declare that hell is real and there is a God who allows you to live your life as long as it pernits you and tou die naturally but he says be good and enjoy eternity because I am good. I only accept those like me or do bad which is my opposite and be rejected and the power for both choices does not rest on Him but on you.

Do you think option A Is better than Option B

Goodness in reality has nothing to do with your God. There are many good atheist, muslims, scientologist, Taoist, Hindus etc. Believing that they deserve to be tortured in fire for ever because they refuse to accept stories and a particular life style is sickening. Those of you that belive that they do are worse than the vilest of all human beings . Why should any body be tortured for ever just because he refuses to accept some story or way of life as outlined by others? It's sickening period.

KingEbukaNaija:
Where is this written bible ? Prove this claim with the bible ?

Here is what I believe :

What are you saying? Will muslims and Hindus that refuse to accept the Christian message go to hell?

KingEbukaNaija:
Stop trying to circumvent and answer the question . Stalin subscribed to subjective morality and he believed destruction of those lives is for a good course - can you controvert this ? Why is he wrong and you are right for thinking he did wrong ? You both subscribe to subjective morality

Stalin is actually no different from the people that conceived of your God idea. To them it's either you accept their stories and the God idea they created or be tortured after you die for ever. How sick can a person be? The religious idea you subscribe is actually worse than what Stalin did. You believe that people that refuse to accept your religion deserve to be tortured in fire forever. Stalin is actually a better person than those that founded your religion because he ended the lives of those he hates. Those the people that founded your religion hate they believe deserve to be tortured forever. Very sick people they were and very sick people those of you that accept their ideas are. Stalin is actually no different from your imaginary God.

winner01:
Lol!

good question.

dalaman, would you end religion if you had the opportunity?.

No I won't. I am not for universal atheism. I just want people to know that atheism is a reasonable alternative to religious indoctrination.

KingEbukaNaija:
An atheist ended the lives of millions just because of his hate for religion . Dalaman , give me a good reason why you won't do same if you had that discretion

And your supposedly good God was helpless and allowed him? I don't need to give you any reason because the question you are asking me is very idiotic.

KingEbukaNaija:
And here is God's reply

Matthew 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

And those that were killed in Christ will rise in glory

1 Corinthians 15:55-57


55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

That's a good God right there .

Your own definition is devoid of biblical knowledge .

Booooo !! Booooooo ! !!

Try harder bro , I believe you can do better

So your good God allows one person to kill millions all in the name of an alleged after life. Interesting.

KingEbukaNaija:
I wonder what he'll say this time .

So your supposedly good God allowed one person to kill over 63 million people? If you have the ability to stop a person from killing 1000 strangers you will do it without hesitation. But your supposedly good God allowed one man to kill over 63 million people. Only a good God that exist in your head will allow that.

winner01:
When dalaman views the thread, you cant but smile and brace yourself for vituperative attacks...

Seriously don't you have anything better to do than to be following me monitoring the threads am viewing?

blueAgent:
Atheist are fools in the highest order

Ok.

Image123:
Their doctrines and understanding are not the path to salvation. The path to salvation is very clear from John 3:16
Its like you asking three humans why they have saliva in their mouth. Their producing three different answers doesn't show or prove that they don't have it,or they aren't humans. Some simply don't understand. Understanding doctrine is not a criteria to be born again.

Not true. To be a christian you must first of all understand the message of Christ since you want to be like Christ. Without understanding his message you can't be like him. You are lying when you claim knowledge of his true message doesn't matter. It actually is everything.

Image123:
You implied building or something physical and easy to see like a denomination. Salvation is a different matter from claims, claims do not make or guarantee salvation. Salvation is personal. Whosoever believes in Jesus will not perish. It is not whosoever believes he/she has the best or correct teaching.

Christains have/ hold different beliefs about Jesus. Some for example some believe he is God himself, while others believe he is the son of God and different from God. How they interpret his message of salvation also differs alot.

oteneaaron:
So lemme get you right. Preaching prosperity isn't wrong in itself or wah?

They give their sermons based on what the masses [b]want to hear[\b]

what was that the message Jesus asked his disciples to preach about

Christianity has become a Joke!

They all want to go to heaven but non of them wants to die.

KingEbukaNaija:
He called God and Satan fictional characters , what am I supposed to do ? How many times have we proven that God and Satan are real.

Ohh so you have proven that God and Satan are real? By real you mean they live inside your head right? Well done.

Image123:
It is not a building in the sense, it is people. Denominations or structures are not saved. Individuals are saved. Whosoever believeth in Him will not perish but have everlasting life. Those that believe and receive the gift of eternal life are the church.

Who mentioned building here. All the various opposing sects I see around Nigeria today and the world as a whole all claim they believe in Jesus and have recieved eternal life. So which one body is the correct body or denomination? Cam you give us a specific example?

Image123:
You clearly do not know what you are talking about, because if you did, you will know that the church is the Body of Christ. The church is not a particular group or denomination, the church is not a particular set of doctrines or beliefs. The church is the Body of believers universally and individually saved by grace through faith in Jesus the Christ.

Give me the name or example of that church in Nigeria for example because every where I turn to all I see are various denominations. I am yet to see this elusive church you are talking about.

KingEbukaNaija:
Dalaman , have you seen it ? Even an atheist agrees with me . Consciousness is eternal and is an attribute that has to bequeathed . Nature has a beginning and that invalidates his claim that we are God - the supernatural one .

So I should accept that consciousness is eternal just because you said so and an atheist agrees with you? Well done.

Image123:
In this case, it is not affecting the company negatively. The church is marching on, and the primary goal of salvation by grace through faith is being achieved daily. If one person thinks blue is Jesus holy color, and the other says it's white. Those are irrelevancies no one should develop headache over.Millions of sinners have been saved through the way of the Cross. You have no excuse.

Which church exactly is marching on? Is it the Catholic Church or the seven day adventist church? Is it Jehova's witness that is marching on or the Anglican church? Is it the baptist church that is marching on or the Greek othordox church? You clearly do not know what you are talking about.

Image123:
You make this assertion based on assumption as usual. When Jesus gave the message Himself, there were still sects. There were pharisees, sadducees, herodians. There were those that believe He was Elijah etc.

Mat 16:14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets.

In the world today, people have differing views and understandings about people that are alive. Look at sports and politics for instance and see the arguments. Your suggestions remain insignificant. You may as well suggest to God to make the days 25hrs each for productivity, or make the birds fly lower. He remains not just the wiser than the wisest, but the Only Wise God.

Jud 1:25 To the only wise God our Savior, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Assuming you are the head of a company and your employees have different views about you that seems to be very conflicting which is affecting the company negatively. I believe you will want to clarify it your self so that the conflicting views will end. Does your God revel in inefficiency? Human systems are not perfect. You claim you have this perfect God that runs a system that is even worse that that of the imperfect humans. Unless if your God is a lover of the confusion and madness that is going on in his name among his followers I see no reason why he should allow this system assuming he exist that is.