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hpymoment:
Not that i actually didn't like it a bit anyway just that i could have preferred it if they were contributing as a team rather than him being the only one.

patrick jane is the big brain, but others help out too.

teresa lisbon is the team leader and the only person that can control patrick jane. patrick only listens to her. she's meticulous and even tho she's strictly by the book, she is known to bend the rules occasionally to solve a case.

kimball cho, wayne rigsby and grace van pelt are all important to the team as well. kimball and wayne do must of the grunt works while grace is the cyber specialist.

patrick jane needs his team to solve homicides. without them tracking down suspects for questioning and doing other necessary field works, patrick's input is basically useless.

he's a luxury member of the team in the sense that he doesn't work nearly as hard as others, but contribute immensely when it matters.

NARCOS: MEXICO S02

PUSSYHOE:
HBO and quality, watching the outsider i'm hooked!

HBO na baba.

am yet to be disappointed by a HBO show.

hpymoment:
Started the series new (s1 though) but found how Jane was solving the whole crime scene a turn off. Did it improve at later seasons?

patrick jane is a mentalist and part of his schtick is seeing through people and solving complex crimes. he's like sherlock holmes in that aspect.

he can also hypnotize people and do palour tricks. he's arrogant or pretends to be, and deliberately provokes suspects to get a reaction out of them.

if you find all these a turn off, then it's better that you quit watching right now because it's gonna get worse for you at later seasons.

sherlock holmes styled crime tv shows are clearly not your thing.

Darksider131:
wait a minute These movies are still in CAMrip naa

HDrip versions are out.

IP MAN 4 (2019)...6.5/10

JUMANJI: NEXT LEVEL(2019)...7/10

yomislim:
where do you download this movie?

https://clicknupload.org/54u5ajyneu61
it has dual audio - english and hindu.

Darksider131:
YOU na one badt romantic movie

YOU is a psychological thriller not a romantic tv show.

IngeniousLeez:
Who else has witnessed the annoyingly snail pace of netnaija's download servers? This year speed has been very slow compared to last year.

The slow speed ehn na die. This week I just dey fume all through. Delaying my sleep time, delaying download time and ultimately wasting my precious time.

Abeg who get him contact to pls tell him to increase his site's bandwidth. The snail speed is too slow even for peak periods.

if you own a laptop, activate your phone's wifi hotspot and tether it to your computer. then use your computer to download your videos. it's an easy way of speeding up a slow server.

if you don't own a laptop then install idm+ on your phone and use it to do your downloads. unlike opera mini it is specifically designed for downloading purposes. it can even download streams.

AVENGEMENT(2019)...7.5/10

bloody and brutal, just what the doctor ordered. scott adkins rulez.

IngeniousLeez:
You are the one misunderstanding me.

The article you posted doesn't contradict mine. Those sequels mentioned was only greenlit after the Massive success from the Original not necessarily actively planned.

Few of them were planned with sequels in mind. The majority was only greenlit cos the Original's money was too sweet to reject. Which I stated in my initial post.

If you reread my post you'll see where I said if a movie is a massive HIT a Studio can decide if it wants a sequel or not. That's also dependent on the Studio's greed or want for quick/easy money.

For example, Joker could get a Sequel cos of its massive profits not because it was planned. It was a one-off.

and this is what i wrote this morning...

a high budget movie must at the very least turn enough profit to fully finance a POTENTIAL sequel without having to borrow from the warchest. anything lest than that and the studio will be running a loss rather than a gain.

note the emphasis on "potential".

it means a studio primary aim aim is to turn out a huge profit that can finance a sequel if need be, although a sequel is not a guarantee.

the truth is every medium to high budget film aims to make enough profit just so they can have the luxury to have options.

a high grossing film has a higher chance of making a sequel than a low grossing film.

IngeniousLeez:
Using another movie box office success to compare another Is a different ball game entirely as a movie's success can be different from another.
For example if a movie grosses about 10x it's budget and another make 5x its budget doesn't necessarily take away the success of the lesser successful one.
So stop comparing A to B as budgets, genre, target audience, release date/season (summer, winter,spring,autumn) cast etc. makes each one unique in it's own way. It's more or less comparing Apples to Oranges.

A movie is primarily made to make profit not start sequels. What you are saying only applies if it was meant to kickstart a franchise. Because in the first instance where do they get the money to make such films— from prequels or what??

Some movies are made not with a sequel in mind. Some movies are meant to be one-offs, so depending on the success of the film like 10x-20x it's production budget may warrant a sequel depending on the studio's ambitions or plans.
Joker was primarily meant to be a one-off no matter it's gross.

The point is : WAS IT SUCCESSFUL OR NOT.

i want to correct this misconception of yours.

have you ever wondered why high grossing films always seems to have sequels?

read this article below and maybe you'll learn a thing or two.


https://www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/entertainment/2016/06/02/why-are-there-so-many-movie-sequels

IngeniousLeez and co, i have exhausted my interest in this box office discussion.

you are free to believe whatever you wanna believe, you're entitled to your opinion.

the end.

Chibudollar:
I saw this movie Brawl in Cell Block 99 and the box office is about 7,100 is that a joke or not.

it's an independent production. watch it, it's very good.

DARK CITY(1998)...7/10

IngeniousLeez:
What you fail to understand in mekaprime's explanation is that Birds of Prey or Shazam is essentially a low budget movie for a Superhero Movie.

In general film terms it's medium budget but Superhero genre it's different.

An average Superhero Movie budget is about $120mn at least for the past decade. Anything from $100mn down below is considered low budget. Mid budget is from $121-180mn. Then high or massive budget is from $181-250mn and above.

let's not drag the technicality because it's not important.

what's important is the fact that 3x rules apply here.

like you yourself said, in general term, it's a medium budget.

the end.

mekaprime:
Going by the above & if Sazam is regarded as semi-profitable, with a production budget of 100m, Shazam grossed 300m(3x) to be declared semi-profitable.
In the same way, BOP doesn't need 500m to be termed a success, if the estimated production budget of BOP is $97m then 97× 3= $291m is all it need to make that second tier of yours.
One misconception DandeNumeruno has which I'll tend to correct is that BOP is a low budget movie & not a high budget movie, so, what is seen as a benchmark for success for one is not the same for the other.
$500m just to be termed successful that's like 97×6, i don't think so bro, else you are expecting it to land on the first tire.
So i agree with abduleez1 on his profit & success estimation.

BIRDS OF PREY has a production budget of 84 million not 97.

i)to break even and turn a profit, you multiply the 84 with 3.5. the result >>>294 million.this means a profit of 44 million. not enough profit to finance the production budget of a sequel. the extra profit from DVD sales and streaming won't be enough.

ii) to turn a profit, you multiply 84 with 6, the result>>> 504 million. this means the studio has earned enough to finance a sequel without touching the profits from the DVD sales, streaming etc.

allow me to use KNIVES OUT to further buttress my assertions.

KNIVES OUT on a mid budget budget of 40 million broke even at 120 million, and made bank at 300 million. 40 x 6 = 240 millions. you know what this means right?

it means KNIVES OUT has outperformed. it's a resounding box office success at 300 million with only a mid production budget of 40 million.

losprince:
Nothing concern this Nollywood guy with the box office argument or anything going on in the thread for that matter.

The guy is like a bot, login, spam thread with YouTube videos, rinse and repeat.

as in ehn. some people have mastered the dark arts of spamming.

mekaprime:
Going by the above & if Sazam is regarded as semi-profitable, with a production budget of 100m, Shazam grossed 300m(3x) to be declared semi-profitable.
In the same way, BOP doesn't need 500m to be termed a success, if the estimated production budget of BOP is $97m then 97× 3= $291m is all it need to make that second tier of yours.
One misconception DandeNumeruno has which I'll tend to correct is that BOP is a low budget movie & not a high budget movie, so, what is seen as a benchmark for success for one is not the same for the other.
$500m just to be termed successful that's like 97×6, i don't think so bro, else you are expecting it to land on the first tire.
So i agree with abduleez1 on his profit & success estimation.

point of correction, BIRDS OF PREY isn't low budget, it's mid budget like JOKER. same rule of thumb apply to mid and high budget films.

only independent productions aka low budget films are exempted from this rule.

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IngeniousLeez:
Anytime when a DC film hits theatres struggling, Suddenly everyone is a Box Office guru. So the GURUS pls tell me and expatiate the success levels or difference between these scenarios. "Cos I'm not understanding".

@Dandenumeruno, Koicereloaded, Mekaprime, Armadeo JeromeBlack Urahara etc.

If we all Agreed $500mn is the profit point of Birds of Prey at production budget of $84mn. That's 5.95x it's production. Right. Kindly explain this then.—>

Doctor Strange grossed $677mn in the box office and was produced for $165mn, that's about 4.1x its budget. And it was deemed a very successful HIT. THEN EXPLAIN PLS how does B.O.P need 5.95x it's own budget which is half of Strange's to be profitable.

What of Ant-Man with a $130mn production budget and final gross of $519mn. That's 3.99/4x it's budget. It was DEEMED financial success. Then how come does Birds of Prey need a similar gross when it far significantly cost less to produce??

Or suddenly box office calculations has changed which I'm not aware of.

All I see is Cherry Picking and nitpicking on what's favorable to one's argument.

ANT-MAN technically bombed but it made enough to make a sequel.

mekaprime:
Going by the above & if Sazam is regarded as semi-profitable, with a production budget of 100m, Shazam grossed 300m(3x) to be declared semi-profitable.
In the same way, BOP doesn't need 500m to be termed a success, if the estimated production budget of BOP is $97m then 97× 3= $291m is all it need to make that second tier of yours.
One misconception DandeNumeruno has which I'll tend to correct is that BOP is a low budget movie & not a high budget movie, so, what is seen as a benchmark for success for one is not the same for the other.
$500m just to be termed successful that's like 97×6, i don't think so bro, else you are expecting it to land on the first tire.
So i agree with abduleez1 on his profit & success estimation.

didn't know that BIRDS OF PREY was a medium budget, thanks for the correction.
but it doesn't matter. the same rule applies to both high budget and medium budget films.

IngeniousLeez:
Guy u funny DIE. You think with such massive undertaken or acquisition they'll start gaining profit within 2-3yrs.
So tell me how has Disney's Fox acquisition been going. Really smooth Right?

In case you don't know WB has brands they could run to: Games, Merchandise, Comics, Theme Parks etc. DVD sales could still boost profitability after theatre run.
Only WB Montreal (Game devt department)alone sef will cover those loses. You hear of MK 11 ?
Or the Incoming New Batman and Superman Games (Rocksteady) those ones alone will amass over $1.5bn with their exclusive deals. Even old Injustice game still brings the bucks.

You know how many IP franchise WB has that could spin money in the future. Harry Potter, LoTR, Matrix etc.
Even topping HBO and CW with that is a steal for the TV department. AT&T got plans mate with HBO Max giving their woeful Streaming platform a huge boost.

Seems WB has been recouping their losses somehow, cos these Flops and underperformers year round would have warranted some high profile sack since. Expecting some movement in the next 3-4months.

yeah i know. i did a research and lo and behold WB is making bank from it's other ventures.

it's movie division needs to start performing asap. heads will surely roll if WONDER WOMAN become the latest flop in the string of flops.

Nickshrapnel:
MK 11 alone has brought WB more than $500m

you were right sha.

i just checked.....it's music, television& gaming divisions are keeping it's finances in the green.

Raalsalghul:
How can you call BoP a flop when it hasn't finished its run?

bro give it a rest, it's a flop already.

at this stage since release it should be breaking even but it has barely surpassed it's production budget.

it is never gonna break even talk more of raking in a profit. let's be honest with ourselves.

Nickshrapnel:
LOL, WB is more than movie production alone, they make money from games, merchandise also. So while the movie department might be running a loss, the other departments cover it up at the end of the year

no amount of merchandise sales will plug the sinkhole WB created for itself this past few years.

just in 12 months, WB has only gained 400m out of over a billion dollars they are spent between Joker and BoP

WB finance status is in the red right now and the only thing keeping them from bankruptcy is AT&T partnership.

what a zoo.

IngeniousLeez:
WB needs to sack at least half of their marketing team, with the strings of underperformers and flops all through 2019 from start to finish. Only Joker was it's saving Grace. That's why they marketed the hell out of it before premiere.

That jinx seems to follow up till this year. WB must be the biggest loser last year with all those epic fvvk ups.

From Godzilla, to Detective Pikachu, Doctor Sleep, LEGO MOVIE 2, The Kitchen. Heads need to roll.

A&T must be regretting acquiring WB by now.

the studio has been nothing but a sinkhole since acquisition lol.

abduleez1:
I'm more in line with @mekaprime post of Box office analysis on Birds of Prey. It needs about $250-300mn to break even. And about $350mn North wards to turn profit.

It doesn't need a huge haul as $600-650mn. It's marketing and distribution and all that can't surpass $100mn(cos marketing costs etc hardly surpass production budget). A movie needs about 3x it's original production budget to break even and then make profit. So if you plus $100mn with $84mn(production budget) you get = $184mn which includes Marketing+distribution costs, and then multiply by 2. That's $368mn needed for it to be a profit.

If Shazam was deemed a box office success with a production budget of $90mn and worldwide gross of $364mn; then how is Birds of Prey with $84mn needs a $600-650mn haul?


Cos of the way Superhero movies tend to open with huge debut numbers people tend to misunderstand box office statistics ain't always black and white. What's applicable to A can't be for B. People are too used to $100mn opening weekend.

SHAZAM bombed bro.

with a production budget of 100m plus advertising& marketing budget, it broke even at 250m but needed 2x that to be considered a financial success. so it needed to make between 450m & 500m to not bomb but fall short of that at 366m.

sure it generated enough profit to finance the production budget of a sequel but what about marketing and advertising budgets?

koice was actually spot on his estimates but exaggerated the numbers a little bit.

BIRDS OF PREY needs to gross at the very least 500m to be considered successful in the box market, not 600m

breaking even isn't enough and generating 50-100m profit after breaking even isn't enough either.

a high budget movie must at the very least turn enough profit to fully finance a potential sequel without having to borrow from the warchest. anything lest than that and the studio will be running a loss rather than a gain.

for instance DR DOOLITTLE had a huge budget and is expected to break even at 700m and turn a profit at 1.3b.

Chibudollar:
Biko ooooooo oo, I need thriller movies... Help a brother out

unthinkable (2010)

runaway jury (2003)

the accountant (2016)

misery (1990)

mekaprime:
Yeah. We are not taking of profit now, we are taking of it having enough revenue/income to fully settle it's expenditure/expenses. If it doesn't attain break even point, studio might owe lots of people.

WB will owe a lot of people for sure because there is no way it will break even at this stage.

but come o, for a while now. WB has been on a string of box office bombs.

RICHARD JEWELL, DOCTOR SLEEP & THE GOLDFINCH all bombed abysmally.

BIRDS OF PREY bombing makes it a quadruple of bombs on a stretch lol.

Nickshrapnel:
It won’t bomb, though it may underperform

break even means that a movie makes enough to cover all of its costs.

so, if a movie cost $2 million then it would need a profit of $2 million to break even.

so even if birds of prey breaks even. it will make no profit.

a movie that doesn't make a profit is not considered a successful movie.

a movie that is not successful is a box office bomb.