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Trump won't live long, he's just too dramatic.

Less than 1 week in office and he has already offended both Mexico and Canada, USA two neighbors.

The students have surpassed the master.

The victim probably saw Kenya as a promise land.

It's funny now

Wait till Dele turns against Obidents.

And he will turn against Obidents.

Welcome back to Nigeria - Simon Ekpas and co.

Will I be born rich or poor in that tribe?

Kobojunkie:
Nowhere in the book is it stated that the book fell from this heaven when you reference it. Rather, if you carefully took time to actually read through yourself, you would find that the various authors were humans who expressed themselves in human language with the intention that their works be comprehended and consumed by other humans such as themselves the same way they would human thought. I guess my point is why do you think it is OK to argue emotionally from a point of ignorance yourself? 🙄🙄

2. Every book on this planet was fabricated by humans and meant for human consumption. So arguing this way does not help you at all. 🙄

FYI! Stop thinking it is OK for you to push the very same religious gobbledegook that others do only to pretend it is better cause it comes from you. 🙄

What religious gobbledegook? Saying the Exodus story didn't happen?

OkCornel:
I love the way you’re swinging like a pendulum 😅

From
1. Ironsi’s claim of a coup was not serious to;
2. The politicians actually took security measures to;
3. Is it the politicians’ fault they were killed?

Ironsi communicated a coup threat on January 12. Politicians did nothing despite seeing other African governments (Togo, Dahomey, DRC, Gabon, Central African Republic) toppled. 3 days later the coupists struck.

No ooo, no be the politicians fault. Na Ironsi wey warn them get fault.

So that justifies Ironsi's takeover? It gave him the right to stage a coup?

Kobojunkie:
Opinion? What u gave you are facts about what is contained right there in the book itself. Why you insist on arguing about it all from a point of ignorance is beyond me. This is why I keep insisting that those of you who claim to be Nigerian atheists abi na wetin you go claim are no different from the religious hordes in your ignorance and arrogance. You reason and approach things the very same way they do, yet you convince yourselves you are somehow different? 😩😩😩😩

Facts would be admitting that the bible didn't fall from heaven. It was written by people, people with their own motives, beliefs and goals from a totally different era

Believing the Bible was fabricated actually makes it more interesting to read.

But you have the right to your own delusion, I'm not a pastor I'm not interested in changing your mind.

Please don't mention me again.

OkCornel:
No make me laugh abeg, so they posted the 4th battalion to Lagos and Ibadan in response to Aguiyi Ironsi’s coup warning? I hope you know Ironsi messaged the warning on January 12, 1966.

Are you telling us the 4th battalion was posted to Lagos and Ibadan between January 13-15?

So you have shifted your position from “Ironsi’s claim of a coup is not serious” TO “The politicians actually took measures”

Read the screenshot below slowly.

What is the name of that book?

OkCornel:
No make me laugh abeg, so they posted the 4th battalion to Lagos and Ibadan in response to Aguiyi Ironsi’s coup warning? I hope you know Ironsi messaged the warning on January 12, 1966.

Are you telling us the 4th battalion was posted to Lagos and Ibadan between January 13-15?

So you have shifted your position from “Ironsi’s claim of a coup is not serious” TO “The politicians actually took measures”

Read the screenshot below slowly.

What is your point exactly? That it's the politicians fault they died?

Even Aguiyi Ironsi was informed of a coup attempt and he still died. Gowon was equally warned of a coup but he couldn't stop it. Murtala Mohammed was also warned of a coup but he still died.

From 1960 - 1997 the only leader who never had a coup attempt on him was Sani Abacha and that's because he fired, arrested and tried anybody on the tiniest suspicion and he even set coup traps to catch would be coup plotters. If the people who planned and executed coups couldn't prevent a coup against themselves, how much more Tafawa Balewa?

The best way to forestall a coup is to know the units involved and arrest or dismiss them, in that regard Aguiyi Ironsi warning was completely useless, the warning came 3 days to the actual coup with no valuable information.

Tafawa Balewa regime took proper security with the resources they had and the regime would have survived if Aguiyi Ironsi had done his duty and returned power back to them.

OkCornel:
So the Cameroonian and Rwandan authorities needed names of coup plotters before they rearranged their military formation/architecture abi?

Clap for yourself.

The coup and coup scares in Subsaharan Africa in the past 3 years is enough for any sensible leader to act immediately on intelligence report available. Rumours or not.

Just like in the 1960s. Before the January coup in Nigeria, there were coups in Togo, DRC, Dahomey, Gabon, Central Africa Republic. I suggest you read up on the coup belt.

An intelligence report from the leading military figure was not something to be dismissed trivially considering the circumstances in other African countries!

While the coupists have their share of the blame, the politicians were dumb and complacent not to act on Ironsi’s report! At the very least, shake up the military formation and reassign the soldiers to different locations/missions.

They posted the 4th battalion to Lagos and Ibadan, the 4th battalion was made up of mostly Northerners, many of these Northerners were very loyal to the NPC.

Maimalari and Largema Pam the two highest ranking Northern officers were posted to Lagos.

They probably thought they didn't have to fear a coup in the North, since Northerners are their own people.

In the West, Akintola was armed and had apparently been anticipating an attack.

So they actually took security measures, and this played a big role in the failure of Ifeajuna coup in Lagos and Ibadan but it didn't account for Aguiyi Ironsi coup.

The only 'more' security measures they could take was to retire Aguiyi Ironsi and repost every single non Northern officer to the Eastern and Western region and think of the political consequences this would have.

No amount of security can help when the General of the Armed Forces is plotting a coup against you and the Prime Minister and President are absent.

Adoption isn't allowed in Islam, however you can choose to raise any child if you wish, you just can't give them your name and they won't partake in your inheritance if you have other children.

That's my opinion.

This is why UK are tired of migrants.

OkCornel:
Lmao, is that how security intelligence works?
I pray tell, was anyone arrested or placed on a watchlist on the coup scares that happened in Cameroon and Rwanda last year?

Abeg no make me laugh.

If some people were placed on watchlist, you don't expect the security to make that knowledge public?

They flirted with lecturers or they could afford private extra lessons, that was how they did it

Case closed.

OkCornel:
What is your definition of “serious claim”?

A CCTV footage of the coup plotters?

Please humour me, Awolowo was plotting coup too?😂

A serious claim would be, Nzeogwu and Ifeajuna are plotting a coup against you.

Saying someone is plotting a coup against you by itself is very useless information.

I'm saying, the Awolowo coup accusation may have been a misinformation by the coup plotters, pointing Tafawa Balewa in the wrong direction.

KnownUnknown:
That’s not a proper answer to the question of how do you know something from 1000 years ago did not happen.

What if the Egyptians wrote that some guy could scale a mountain in a single bound and fly like an eagle while flapping his arms, would you believe it because they were not illiterates or would you disbelieve it because the claim is fantastic, obviously absurd, and physically impossible?

Do you need to go to Mount Olympus to confirm Zeus isn’t there?

That's where multiple sources and archaelogical evidence come into play. Something as great as the first born son of every Egyptian dying and the red sea splitting should have surely been vastly recorded.

Kobojunkie:
The record of the existence of the Canaanites goes as early as Genesis 9 - 12. They existed long before Jacob and His family came to be.

2. The one arguing pointlessly here is you though since you make claims that conflict with information contained in the Israelite Scriptures. The term Hebrew is revealed to have been in place since as early as Genesis 10 and this is about people who are connected to Jacob whose descendants are referred to as the Israelites.

FYI, the first mention of the man named Jacob— the progenitor of the Israelites who was reported to have left Egypt for Canaan— is in Genesis 25.

You have the right to your opinion. You want to believe every first born son of a great civilization died in a single day, you have the right to believe it.

Kobojunkie:
Yet there are reports of Canaanites living in the same land even after this supposed overthrowing?

Yes, Abraham was an immigrant to Canaan. He eventually left the land, dying elsewhere. So?

So, Hebrews did not originate in Canaan by biblical narrative.

I don't have energy for pointless arguments, pick up a Bible and read. No place was it ever implied that Canaanites belong to the same group as Hebrews.

Canaanites were constantly painted as evil people, which is why their land was forfeit.

Kobojunkie:
Again, try to make sure you read and properly digest a comment before responding next time. Hebrews ARE NOT written in Israelite Scripture to have come from Egypt.

2. Your point is meaningless when you are instead informed both through scripture sources and non-scriptural sources that the people of Hebrew existed in the land of Canaan, long before the people of Israel were written to have migrated to that same land to live among them. The land in question was occupied land before the so-called Israelites showed up to join the existing Hebrew population.

They showed up to overthrow the Canaanite population not join them. In the Bible, Abraham came from the land of Ur and God promised him Canaan, he was written as an immigrant in Canaan.

OkCornel:
There was no instance of coup plotters spreading false information of a pending coup in January 1966.

Less than a week to the coup, Nigeria hosted world leaders for an event. I can’t recall the details of the event, but world leaders were in Nigeria.

Do you think the intelligence agencies of leading countries would give their leaders clearance to travel to Nigeria if indeed there were strong rumours of coup? Nah… their high commissioners can be pawned off to attend that event on their behalf.

Well, Tafawa Balewa took coup seriously as the arrest of Awolowo proved. If Aguiyi Ironsi brought a serious claim I'm sure they would have taken him seriously.

Again, Aguiyi Ironsi not being aware of a coup doesn't mean those around him were not.

Kobojunkie:
Again, try to make sure you read and properly digest a comment before responding next time. Hebrews ARE NOT written in Israelite Scripture to have come from Egypt.

They are written to have gone to Egypt and back.

My point is, they never left or came back, they were always in Canaan until the Assyrians and Babylonians displaced them.

They may have been ruled by the Egyptian empire at a certain time, but they never left Canaan to go to live in Egypt..

Kobojunkie:
Where you get that statement in bold from? According to Scriptural reports, the land of Canaan which was populated by the Hebrews existed as far back as over 500 years before the migration of the children of Israel—descendants of Jacob, the wandering Aramean—to Canaan from Egypt. So, I am not certain what you mean by the statement in bold which contrasts with the records.

It means that Hebrews, Canaanites and Philistines belong to the same linguistic/ethnic family.

The idea that Hebrews came from Egypt as freed slaves to the promise land was totally fabricated or for argument sake doesn't have much evidence to back it up, more evidence support Hebrews originating in Canaan.

Kobojunkie:
How can anyone confirm for a fact something that is supposed to have taken place 1000s of years ago never happened? Come on now!! Make una dey take am easy with all of these una assertions abeg! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Because the Egyptians were not illiterates, they actually recorded their history, and even if they failed to record it, the Phoenicians, Romans, Greeks, Persians and Babylonians definitely did.

Most evidence confirm that Hebrews originated in Canaan and didn't migrate from Egypt.

OkCornel:
Item 1: Simply tribalism. That’s the only way I can rationalise it.

He wasn’t part of the coup plotters. He warned Inua Wada, Tafawa Balewa and other top politicians of an impending coup, yet those in power did not act on the intelligence report.

Everyone has their share of the January 1966 mess.

In preparation for the 1975 coup against Gowon, the coup plotters began spreading false information about an impending coup in an act to confuse the government. When Gowon was allegedly told that Joseph Garba was plotting a coup against him, by then so much misinformation about a coup had been spread that Gowon refused to believe it, Joseph Garba was the one who later announced the coup.

The main reason why Awolowo was sent to prison was because he was accused of plotting a coup with Nkrumah of Ghana.

We do know that Nkrumah granted sanctuary to Ifeajuna after Ifeajuna failed coup attempt, so how much of that story was true, lies and misinformation? My point is that Tafawa Balewa government didn't just ignore coup attempts they took it seriously, Aguiyi Ironsi would have been of better help if he had given them names. If he just told them there's a coup but didn't provide any useful information can you blame Tafawa Balewa for not taking him seriously?

Even if Aguiyi Ironsi wasn't aware of the coup, there are lots of evidence that Ojukwu was definitely aware, Aguiyi Ironsi should have at least not rewarded Ojukwu for hiding treasonable information.

Being Igbo is bad for politics business in Nigeria, Wike understands this very well.

Saner clime

They condemn Tinubu for not embracing Federal Character but they cheer Trump for doing literally the same thing.

He was anointed by God to destroy USA, it is their time.

Every empire must come to an end.

He has my full support, I might even travel to Anambra just to vote for him.

All he has to do is arrest all market leaders and lock shops of those who refuse to comply, same with transportation workers and government workers.

You can't be supporting terrorism and wish to live in peace.

I would like to hear his opinion on that fake albino terrorist.

We have all been saying this guy is gay, they kept gaslighting us that he isn't 'it's fashion" "no evidence".

Well now we have no more confusion about crossdressers.

Yoruba men marry Igbo women or (non Yoruba women) AFTER having a child or children with a Yoruba woman.

David married Chioma after having a daughter with Sophia Momodu, despite the death of their son he still refused to marry Chioma until heavy pressure from Chioma's father.

Fani Kayode married an Igbo woman who was his 4th wife, later divorced.

Even the woman married to Ondo state governor was a second wife.

Yoruba men will always pick Yoruba women first, every other woman is a second choice institution and very disposable.

Las las all women are the same, it's the men around those women that make the difference.

Saner climes

Should we call this a case of 'suicide shooting'