₦airaland Forum

mazaje:
People don't know my beliefs but when I try to voice out the stup[i]i[/i]dity and senselessness in some belief and superstition people hold I get a very strong  sense of disapproval. Example when friends talk about blood money and i register my unbelief, I get some strong sense of disapproval for disagreeing that blood money exist. Imagine Nigerians TRULY believe that when you sacrifice humans to some imaginary demons you will become rich.

Lol.

I was chatting with some friends who came to visit me, and we were discussing about  Babangida during his military era. My very good friend said he heard from a 'source' that babangida turned into a 'tortoise' to escape when under attack at dodan barracks.

I was shocked!!!
I asked politely, did that source actually see this 'transformation'? ,  he scuffed! clearly getting agitated and saying 'I know wetin I dey talk'
Then he said, ' you always try to rationalise everything' and that 'spiritually, you be novice' and also I am not on his 'spiritual level'

Very simple question and he capitulated. I then asked how do you know one's 'spiritual level'?  what gives one more leverage spiritually'
He scuffed again clearly not having answers, I sensed him getting more agitation and to avoid further conflict, I concluded by saying 'anyway, nobody knows everything, and you may be right' just to defuse the tension.

What struck me was how he clearly ignored all my simple questions and went into a clear 'auto-defensive mode' when all he could have said was , 'I dont know' And this is someone that has spent the last 9 years in a 'western' country where you hardly hear silly statements like that.

FXKing2012:
First, the miracles are not fake, I know cos I've been a direct beneficiary of it.

Second, if they start putting their charitable deeds online, people will come out again to attack them that they are doing it for the donations and money.

Well, the primary purpose of a church is salvation of souls, then other things may follow.

Should they care on what people say or focus more on their charitable deeds. Then let the deeds speak for themselves. How come that excuse does not deter secular organisations delivering charities to remote parts of the world.

@Mr Helpee

If I may come in.

No need for animosity and angst between us, Lets try and discuss maturely and agree to dis-agree.

Firstly, the title of this thread notes that 'Bishop Oyedepo's Curse Has Started Working On Boko Haram', so obviously someone feels has the right to state their belief. However, you need to understand that, as this is a public forum, there will be others who also posses the right to dis-agree.

I understand that you revere Oyedepo, a stand that should be respected, however you have to understand that there are others that do not. And their stand should also be respected as you would want them to respect yours.

On the subject of the topic, at least lets be honest with ourselves, the 'curse' is not working! (at least as of yesterday). So, continuous defence of the title is a show of deep insecurities.

If Christians, who claim to hold the pillars of everlasting truth and should be models for honesty, cant accept something as obvious as a curse not working, it only gives 'unbelievers' more ammunitions to suspect folly within the religion.

Once again, these are my opinions, yours would be delightfully welcomed.

Joagbaje:
Speaking in tongues and prophecy are not family affairs. It's a spiritual affair . when you get to know the holyghost ,your story will change

Ha ha, Of course it will. You get another mug to feed more 'spiritual' nonsense.

Imagine telling a man he has 'no rights' in his wife's affairs.

Image123:
I'm not against real and unbiased CRITICISM but CONDEMNATION over[i] little light-weight issues.[/i]

Like 'slapping' a peasant girl abi? lol

Anyway, issues are subjective in nature, they may be 'light-weight' to you but heavy weight to others. Anyways, all that for later.

Image123:
Except perhaps you've being hacking into my account. It's the same position i've been holding. It's unfortunate that most of you that seem to hold this same view, turn tables when you see a rich christian. You condemn a christian because he has this or that, and i try to say that's not enough to condemn him. Your bank account(fat or lean) is not a measure of whether God's with you or not.

True, I still feel people should have the right to condemn criticise anybody they feel like. I get criticised, you get criticised, Jesus got criticised, even God has his critics. No one is beyond criticism including deceitful 'rich' charlatans.

^^^^^^^

But they can put their fake miracles and pastor-worship all over the website.

The purpose of putting charitable deeds on website is to generate more income, more support and more exposure gor the cause. People see the effects of their donations and are encouraged to do more.

By the way boko- haram bombed maiduguri today and killed at least 8 people. Your mog's curse is magnificent and efficiently working!!!

So, are you making him an offer?

Lol.

^^^^

lol

alienkind:
God help us.Sin is sin,repent now.Nobody should categorise sin.
Forget about all this biblical interpretation and let no one deceive you.
Can you do it when you get to heaven?If its no,then its sin.period!
Why do you think marriage is banned in heaven?or you think God is a fool.

lol
Dont fret!!!

We are going to have a lot of w@nkers in heaven anyway!!!!

coogar:
unfortunately, that is the issue with men. . . . .that an act itself is not sinful does not mean humans will not abuse it.
food is a gift from God but people still abuse food and get obese and become a general nuisance to the public. alcohol is not a sin but people drink to the point of misbehaving and it gives alcohol a bad name.

that is the same issue with Being Intimate with one's self. . . . .a man who w@nks at the thoughts of a sister-in-law has done the act with impure thoughts.
the act is not the sin, his thoughts are the sin.
a man who drinks to stupor has abused himself with the drink. the drink is not the sin, his greed is.

lol @ the bold. ( sounds suffragett[i]y[/i])

I do agree with your post.  The thoughts are what matter.

buzugee:
actually you can think of nothing and self service but you will have to mentally focus on the task at hand and nothing else. like a mechanical duty that has to be performed to clean out the pipes  

HA HA H A

Experience??  

Anyway, if you say so.

coogar:
but how is that enforceable? i think that would be too vague to enforce.
we cannot prohibit w@nking based on impure thoughts. it would be equivalent to prohibiting all forms of advertisement as it can provoke impure thoughts of material greed. there's a reason masturbati[i]o[/i]n was never mentioned in the bible. it's because it's perfectly legal.

if masturbat[i]i[/i]ng would prevent a man from going out there to r@pe, fornicate or commit adultery then by all means, let him jerk off.

Ofcourse I do agree, infact some studies, I read somewhere, shows that self-service@rs (lol), tend to cheat less.

I presume that can only be a good thing. However, that one self-services at the thoughts of a sister-inlaws' body might be contentious both spiritually and morally

buzugee:
well if the wood is s-e-x-y why not ?   seriously though, you can self service and think of your spouse.

I agree, but I refuse you can think of nothing and still self-service. That's impossible, all our human actions starts from the brain.

@ poster above

Geez, why the large fonts? we are all not blind!

cooger,

Haba, let me land before you catch me now!!!

I was writing my last post whilst you were writing yours.

I hope we are clear.

But you do agree that one cant just start masturbati.ng without a preceding thought? The contents of those thoughts is what I feel should be the subject of discussion.

coogar:
so what has this gotta do with your body being the temple of the holy spirit?
so if a woman w@nks with the fantasies of her husband while the husband is away from home for months then the woman has committed a sin?
the bible did not mention masturbati[i]o[/i]n as a sin in any of the books so who are you to say it's a sin?

Funny, self-servicing for your partner or spouse has not been mentioned until now!

I would have expected the justification,from Chris,  to be on that notion!!

Something like, ' you can self-service, as long has the thoughts are that of your wife/husband and not of a neighbour's partner'= simple

But that one can se;f-service without thinking is something I find really strange.

means:
God help your children!!! So self-service is not a sin,ehh? So u can even be doin it and scream and speak in tougues abi? And some people here are justifyin  and defending rubbish.Like my dad's manager who justifies his inflated purchases with receipts obtained.

Christendom really in disarray. If Christ is to come back today (phisically), I tell you, christains would murder Him the second time. They will tell HIm that things have changed so much since last time he was on earth.

Lol.

buzugee:
LUST-uncontrolled or illicit intimate desire or appetite; lecherousness.

THOSE SOUND LIKE STRONG LECHEROUS AND OVERPOWERING DESIRES TO ME. that sounds like someone who has lost total control of their being. you do know people can self-service w[b]ithout these lecherous and intense desires for another person right[/b] ?

So, Mr Buzugee,

You are telling us that one can think of wood and self-service? Or one can be blank and just start self-servicing?

how?

Joagbaje:
Life is based on choices and callings. If God calls me to serve among the peasants, so be it. I will forsake the city life and fulfill my calling. If God clls me to minister to the big boys flying first class so be it. Everybody should focus on their assignment and stop judging another.

The apostles live the life they lived some denied themselves marriage and other pleasure. It's between them and their master.

LOL.

One can only shake head for those you minister to and those that take you seriously!

Image123:
It's so simple. If God wants all His children to be rich(i.e financially wealthy), then it means Jesus and the apostles were not walking in the will of God. Life to God, and is real children is more than money. Having Money is not a yardstick of been close to God, spiritual or not perishing for lack of knowledge.

Most impressed by this statement. Dude, I get confused with you. I always thought you subscribed to this prosperity fraudulent doctrine!!! Do you share your ID with someone?

Joagbaje:
You cant sop her. [b]You have no right to stop her. [/b]If you use you office to force her, it's an abuse of office as husband. You should rather desire the move if the spirit too. Aftersll every christian ought to speak in Tongues ,

ha ha  ha ha ha ha

LOL, Joagbaje, I swear you must  have been a comedian in a past life. I mean seriously!!!!

So, who has the right? You? Oyedepo?

@Poster,

It is within [b]your right [/b]to direct the affairs of your family in whichever way you deem fit.

Dont let some fraudulent institution come between you and your wife.

scopusng:
Fools, where is Villa Boas?the most expensive epl managers, oh i see Chelsea is leading the epl table. Remember 49 matches on unbeating, won double twice and so on and now the man is not good enough. Maybe your father should take over from Wenger?

Han Han boss, cool down na, na fight?

He is an over-rated manager.

Initially he did not believe in old players, yet he brought old players like henry,sol cambel, silvestre (his most stupi.d signing), lehman to the team.

He believes in a young team!!!! But they are all old now

lol

That he keeps using djorou says a lot

^^^^^

How about the thoughts that precedes the self-service

And yes, it can be harmful.

http://side-effects.owndoc.com/masturbation-side-effects.html

FXKing2012:
@dare2think, I understand your point of view and you have a very strong reason to be skeptical. But I must say that it is not possible for the churche to meet the need of all the poor people in our society, even no govt in the world with all its vast resources can meet the needs of all the poor people in its territory. Even the Bible says the poor we will always have amongst us.

I am not ignorant of the fact that so many big churches have been reaching out to the poor in some ways. I can tell you of Synagogue and Harvesters International Christian Church (HICC) which allocate a certain amount of their funds to feeding the poor every week. This happens every single week.
I'm sure many other churches do this even if we are unaware of it. So it may not be right to condemn all these churches without having the full facts with us.

Ofcouse dude, would be wrong to condemn all. The catholics are known for their vast charity programmes.

But also we don't have full facts that some are doing it as well. Bill gate for example has a list of all the charity programmes he does on his website with full accounts and progression. A very transparent account of what they do.

But some of our churches websites are just full with worship for the pastor and sort wonderful comments for the pastors. But hey, what can we do.

FXKing2012:
Yes I blv tithing does not apply to us today but there are also hundreds of millions (if not billions) of Christians out there who blv in tithing. People are not forced to pay tithes, it's a decision u make based on your believe.
A pastor who preaches tithing is not necessarily bad cos it is in the old testament and some people blv the old testament still applies to us.

I never insinuated that the red part. Personally I believe the tithing issue is subjective. However the prosperity gospel has abused it and turned it into a fraudulent activity.

I believe these men are charlatans as they have deviated immensely from the ideals of those that brought the religion to our shores.

fxking2012, how can they be Men of God? Children are dying around the world because they cant eat, poverty and corruption is very rife in Nigeria and some people sleep in dumps and unimaginable states. Is God not the God of these people too? If these Men claim to have a 'special relationship' with God, why cant God direct them to these vulnerable people that cant afford to buy 'biscuits' talk less of a three square meal, Yet these 'anointed' men of God travel around in Jets spreading the 'Good News' to people that brought it to us in the first place?

Will God treat them more special that You as an individual? I am not intending to change your views or anything but brother, these men are opportunist that are taking advantage to the desperate situation of people. You are logical to the extent you don't feel tithing is mandatory, but what about the people perpetrating this deceit and covertly saying you are robbing God if you don't pay your tithes.

Jesus' humility in the bible was exemplary and always focusing on the poor. Your mog's are dining and wining with the very same corrupt individuals that are making our country to be in perpetual state of  poverty. 

However, Whatever your views, it is well respected. As for the curse, well you know where I stand.

Cheers.

Joagbaje:
@image 123

There  are several habit that are not good but might not necessarily be a sin against GOd. For instance; gambling, overeating, smoking, and several other habits that people cultivate, like people drinking their urine and all, despite the fact that they are not good, they are not sins against GOd and GOd would not send them to hell for it.

Mr Jo, pls make up your mind.

However, on a serious note. Do you know every intimate activity is preceded with a brain activity just like any other reflexes in the body. One cannot just start mastubati.ing without a precursor to trigger the activity. Do you agree?

Or is it different according to 'spiritual principles'?

Thanks for your reply,

Judging by your previous posts, I believe you are against any form of Tithing, it seems you agree that Christians are required to pay tithes.

But most of these, men you ascribe to be MOGs collect tithes in their churches.

How do you relate both then?

fXking2012,

I humbly bring myself to you and I'm confused about something I noticed.

Pls, Do you believe these men are MOG within your heart?

There is a reason why I asked, I'll tell you in your response.

Thanks.

According to God's PR Man,Mr Chris;

', its got nothing to do with God, Its all about you and your Body'

According to Mr Chris' PR man,  Mr Jo.

'It is an unclean habit . But it is not a sin against God.'

The confusion in these statements is beyond any manner of expression.

This is the team that is about to play Napoli.

Bloody jokers.

Dear mr mucuilles,

So, if you did not make the effort to make an application or finish your physics degree, do you feel you will be in the position you say you are?

Thanks.

FXKing2012:
Yes the curse is working but u can only see it working if u choose not to be blind to it. Our security forces are now getting on top of the situation, thanks to prayers of Christians. You may not accept this fact but it doesnt change the truth,

Fxking2012, you mention the truth!!!

But the truth remains that several bombs has occurred after the 'curse', just 3 days ago a policeman was blown to bits.

How come the policeman is not benefiting from the curse? You yourself need to face the truth.

If you cant be honest enough to accept the reality on ground and still maintain a man's curse is working on an active  group, then my friend there is nothing anyone can say here.

But you know what?, you know the truth deep down your soul. You read about the attacks and you know oyedepo's curse amounts to nothing. You are just being stead-fast and being wrong and strong at the same time. I'll call it intentional delusion.

I will face the truth, and the truth is that boko-haram is still very active and Oyedepo's curse is nothing and holds no significance. However, it is your right to believe what you want to believe so I'll let you be.

But I'll leave you with a reminder, anytime boko-haram attacks, even if it is a bird that is killed, it only confirms further that your Mog is a fraud.

lol @ Kerosene background.

So the parents of these 'kerosene background' students do not work extra hard?

That's new!!!