₦airaland Forum

Joagbaje:
when you give MOG you give to God in that general sense you're looking at it. because it is based on Gods word. But there is difference when it comes to specific.

For example if someone goes to a pastor to say he wants to sow a seed of money. It has to be clear what it is for. If the man says he is sowing into the pastors life ,it is different from giving to God. If it is for God , the pastor sends it to church finance, but if it's for the pastor then there's difference. Church money doesn't belong to the pastor except what an individual gives to him personally. So sowing unto God and sowing unto MOG are different.

Utter garbage!!!

Where in the bible did it say you should sow into a minister? This is fraudulent tactic!!.

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Omopastor, why are you talking like a fraudster? Dont you know we are  all God's children and we dont need to give to charlatans to appease God!!!!

Joagbaje:
Every giving can be termed as giving to God because it is based on the word of God. But when it comes to specifics there's difference. Giving to poor or parents or to ministers can all be termed as giving to God because it's done by the word. In a sense. Just as rendering service to humanity can be seen as unto God in that same sense. Even the discharge of your official duty is a service unto God. Every sacrifice on our part.

Giving to parents is a spiritual giving to God in that sense but Jesus made the distinction .

Mark 7:11
11 But you say it is perfectly all right for a man to disregard his needy parents, telling them, `Sorry, I can't help you! For I have given to God what I could have given to you.'

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When you give to MOG, are you giving to God too?
When you give to corrupt individuals i.e fraudulent police/politician/pastors, are you giving to God too?

You just have to love our 'religious' brethens.

Their self-righteousness knows no boundaries.

Joagbaje:
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There are several ways you can give to God. Offering is one of them. You give to God in your church.

Mr Jo,

Me I no like your grammatic karate oo.

You give to the church and not to God. (We both know that God dont come down to collect the money, so let common sense prevail)

The money, I assume, then go into the treasury and from the treasury- sighs-  well to the pockets of humans. Either to charity or Charlatans, either way the monies go to humans and not God.

Dude, it's not my fault you dont understand sarcastic rhetorics.

Any way, ponder more on the verse you referred to and see why you cant buy your way to blessings or heaven.

Good riddance.

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Lol, Actually the verse is referring to your kind.

You wrote;

OmoPastor:
@ everyone just dropped my first fruit check now. what a honour and privilege. grace has been multiplied to me for unusual miracles this year. am over excited about this. watch me all i am flying! thank you Jesus am very grateful Sir

And you are are told;

20 Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money! 21 You have no part or share in this ministry, because your heart is not right before God. 22 Repent of this wickedness and pray to the Lord in the hope that he may forgive you for having such a thought in your heart. 23 For I see that you are full of bitterness and captive to sin.”

Especially the bold part.

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How does one 're-contact God'?

Are you in contact with God?

Joagbaje:
My post was based on your idea that money should rather be given to the poor instead of men of God . That's what I was clarifying . Everything has it's place . Giving to God, giving to your pastor , giving to the poor all have their places . One is not prefered above the other

Mr Jo,

I totally understand giving to pastors, atleast you go see them and give them whatever you want.


However, How do you give to God? (God that posesses eveything already)

Or have you got his bank acct?

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Please help me ask your Mog;

How much does God need for my sin record to be wiped away?

Also, How much is the current rate for blessings?

Thanks.

OmoPastor:
Let the Holy Spirit guide you whenever you want to give but my checkbook is ready for action this morning. glory to God for ever! halleluyah

You give the impression that God, the omnipotent, is impressed by your checkbook.

Never knew God was Like that.

Very impressive.

I Wonder how much I need to give him to wipe away my sins!!!!

Acidosis:
omopastor, Whom are you giving that money, it is better to give that money to your parents or grandparents. They trained you with their hard earn money, now you want to give it to a sugar coated-talking & a tinted suit-wearing MOG.

Better to pay tithes, but which one is first fruit again?

It is impossible!!!! I cant believe what I'm seeing

You the defender of Charlatans [/b]can come out with something so sensible. I'm amazed and glad. (There is hope after all)

Or is someone else using your Id?

On a more serious note, dude can you see why a lot of us come out detesting these [b]'sugar coated- talking & a tinted suit-wearing MOG fraudsters' that have devised new methods of getting money off their innocent and pious congregation. Methods that Jesus never spoke about, what the hell is 'first-fruit', offer 7, 'first-five people' to bring £1000 and various conniving ways to extract money in the name of God.

I'm glad to see that you are noticing how the Church, which someone died for, has become a money-making mechanism.

Lol.

How do I send my acct number to you?

More seriously, you can't deny that islamophobia is rising in Europe. I'm only trying to be balanced, but truth be said, Islamist nations seem to be more intolerant.

I'll discuss further when I'm free.

Frosbel,

Does the same article apply to rising anti Islamic Intolerance world-wide as well?

Thanks.

FXKing2012:
Those of u making jest of the Word of God and MOG, I pray God's judgement does not come down hard on you. I shed tears to see what the devil has turned men into; this is really disturbing. The earlier you give your heart to Christ and learn to honour men of God, the better for you.

Lol, Fxking2012.

You exemplify what religion can do to those who allow a fellow Man to do their thinking for them. You have submitted your Hope, salvation and redemption at the feetof fraudulent men hence the reason why you choose not to reason. Anyway its your choice.

God's judgement will leave the corrupt politicians and church business-men and come down on Nairalanders. Which God do you serve?

Shed tears for yourself for allowing yourself to be fooled by a mere mortal that was born like  you and will die like you or anybody. More sadly, shed tears for gifting your ability to think to charlatans and fraudsters.

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Lol

@usaneija

You and your charlatan Oyedepo have something in common.


You are both cowards!!!!

FXKing2012:
I know the miracles are real and I dont need anybody's confirmation cos I've been a witness to it. For your information I dont even attend Winners Chapel but I have had a pastor [b](Pastor Chris Oyakhilome) [/b]lay hand on me when I was really sick and I got my healing instantly. So I am witness.

LOL

Instants healing, marvellous.

Believe what you want to believe and I'll believe mine.

One more thing though, who healed you? God, Jesus or Chris

FXKing2012:
Bottom line remains BH had never had such in-fighting not until Bishop laid a curse on them. These are pastors who heal the sick on a very regular basis and the sick come out to testify. So what makes u think a man who can lay hand on the sick and he gets healed will lay a curse on a person or group and the curse will not hold?

Nice question Fxking;

Because those who seem to be cured by these men are always ghosts. Nowhere to be found, no verification whatsoever, several complaints from concerned familiy member that their ill siblings are not taken their drugs and the situation getting worse, several documentaries exposing such fraudulent activities and so on.

Tell me, how do you know these people were sick in the first place? How then do you know they have been healed?

How again are you sure they have not been organised to dramatise the situation.

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Hahaha

Threats, Threats, Threats- Typical

Just for speaking your mind.

Yet boko haram that is killing people and burning churches are still roaming about.

Splendid how the mind of the deceived works.

By the way, is Dilliminati, the one whom you wished the worst possible death upon, not a child of God??

Or are Men of God Fraud the only anointed from God?

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So, judging from your explanation you have to curse in public for it to be accepted by God??

lol.

One more thing, I take it that now that Oyedepo's curse, according to you, is working there would be no more bomb explosions in Nigeria.

Mmm, we can only hope for the best.

I think Oyedepo's service is needed in Iraq and Afghanistan, all the money spent on military hardware is not necessary.The investment is needed on "spirit of insanity" to defend the world from terrorism.

Nice!!!

debosky:
The followers do what the leaders encourage - if you present yourself as someone not to be worshipped (as John the Baptist did) then no one will worship you or call you 'Papa and Mama'.

If as a spiritual leader of people you don't have the self discipline to condemn hero-worship and the like, then you should not be a Pastor in the first place.

Correct.

There is a certain human element attached to it. Cult of personality. A feel good factor that can affect anybody, from Hitler and dictators to local government chairmen and office supervisors.

However, it takes self-discipline and humility to counter such effect. Such humility exemplified by Jesus in the bible  and Ghandi will attract more adoration and draw people closer to your cause.

Majority of Nigerian pastors are just arrogant charlatans and that is just the bitter truth.

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Classic !!!!


Yes OP how do we know whose curse it is that is working?

After all everyone, including the victim's family, has been  cursing.


By the way, Islamic terror splinter groups causes more harm than good. 

Spirit of insanity on a group that is acting insane.  Makes sense doesn't it?

Jokers

bunmioguns:
does it not worth it


Thanks Sir Ma

Hi jesoul, saw your message on the other thread. Happy new year to you too.

Have you found time to watch the movie shcindler that I recommeded to you?

dekung:
Finaly one wise man once said[b] 'the show off of wealth amidst strangulating poverty is nothing but inhuman cruety',[/b]

A quote I strongly believe in.

Ordinary Men parading themselves as God's men and someone is attempting to compare Elijah in the bible to these charlatans.

Hilarious.

Emmzalon:
Plz undastnd dat nt because we're all equal and chosen in d sight of God makes our destiny d same. NO ONE SAYS U SHLDNT BE AN ANNOINTED MAN OF GOD,BT MAKE SURE U HEAR UR VOICE DIRECTLY 4RM GOD B4 EQUALISING URSELF TO A MAN HUNDREDS OF BRANCHES ACCROZ D WORLD.

Really!!!  So we are all equal under God!!!! Never knew that. Always thought Mog's are above us and anything they say goes.

I also never knew an annointed is also judged by his "hundreds of branches accros the world".  Mcdonalds must be super annointed.

Feed that nonsense to your congregation.

By the way where you there when these men heard their voices directly from God? How did you come to the conclusion that they are annointed.


@muskeeto
Yea, just add the number with the country code and automatically it should come up on your whatsapp

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The rest of us are Second-class annointed under God.

Men of God come before everyone in the sight of  God, infact they will be sitting with God whilst Jesus will stand at the back!!!!

Dont mess with Men of God, God's first class annointed, because the rest of us dont matter much, afterall we are God's second favourite.


smh, first class mugus!!!

Emmzalon:
ANYONE! I REPEAT ANYONE! TALKING AGAINST ANY ANOINTED MAN OF GOD ON THIS SITE WILL BE CURSED,HEAVILY CURSED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS!

THE OWNER OF DIS SITE SHOULD BE WARNED FOR D LAST TIME,ANY POST TO RIDICULE ANY MAN OF GOD ON DIS SITE WILL NOT ONLY LEAD TO THE BLOCKAGE OF THIS  SITE BT ALSO YOUR CAREER
PLZ BE WARNED!

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Another brainwashed mug.

Baseless threats up and down!!!  Why dont you curse the corrupt government officials bleeding you dry?

The greatest fraud on earth is organised religion!!!!

One day they say the text of  the  bible should not be taken literally, another day they say we must obey the specific directions in the bible.


Make up your minds o ye confusonists!!!!!

Mr Newmi,

Please could you tell everyone the similarities between Elijah and the present day self acclaimed Men of God

Thank you.

Acidosis,

What a fruitless effort to discredit a well-documented and true reflection of the Nigerian social situation.

Why don't you just mention or list the aspects where you feel the author might have got it wrong rather than abusing him?

Lol, yet you throw tantrums when people criticise your charlatans.

Why can't those sportsmen work hard like their successful counterparts??

Must nigerians always call God in everything. Bunch of lazy people always wanting GOd to come and do everything for them.

And these silly pastors men keep encouraging these lazy attitudes.

Work hard and pray. Not sit down and pray.

Very pathetic.