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@ Deepsight

I stated in the begining that irrelevant post should be ignored---you'd be surprised, they fade away when they cant get your attention, so dont give it to them.

@Frosbel

Thanks for your reply, howver don't you think your statement is contradictory

frosbel:
BUT showing LOVE to Gays DOES NOT mean we should have fellowship with THEM

If you single out those you cant worship with, does that not eliminate the love part of the equation. Surely when you love someone, you fellowsip with them regardless. Those that are not "gay" that one fellowship with might have more insidious character that we are not aware of, but we still fellowhip with them.

Such is the nature of religion. Even reasonable folks get caught up in the melée.

Hello,

As I dont own this site and also have no control on who comments or not I would like to implore that the creation of this topic is for constructive debate between reasonable minds. Bigotry and irrelevances should be ignored if possible and open-mindedness and enlightened chats should be encouraged.

I know in life nobody knows it all and we all have different views and pathways to religion/life. Questions should always be asked in order to enhance knowledge and understanding.

@ deepsight/pastor aio

If Jesus said "love thy nieghbor as yourself", how come some "Christains"  tend to hold so much animousty to gay individuals? I understand the cultural and biological stand in our native land but am speaking on how the Love Christ profess seem to elude these certain individuals? Am sure Jesus would have said "love your straight nieghbor" if he wanted people to love just a certain calibre of sexuality. I would have thought the Love he spoke about would be an encompassing one that transcends sexuality. I am aware this is a very contentious subject and people rather choose to ignore it rather than address it. What is your view on this.

@ Joagbaje

I understand that you seem to defend a lot of these "MOG'S", which is fine, as you as an individual possess the right to do so.  However, I do have some questions for you;

Most men of God claim to speak to God (the omnipotent), how come God don't tell them to use some of their acquired wealth to go the kids dying around the world to feed them? these dying children, I presume are also God's children and am sure God is aware of their predicament. Why would God give someone he SPEAKS to regularly so much wealth and leave children he SEES to die of Hunger?
And has God spoken to you before?

@others

I have come to the conclusion that tithing should depend on the individual giving it for whatever reason they see fit. But I have noticed that some people dont pay tithes or even go to church but still live relatively good lives, some people of other faiths dont pay tithes but still live relatively comfortable and are still blessed. In terms of prosperity, secular people dont pay tithes or give to charity or pastors but are still comfortable and insome cases live a more fruitful life than some tithe-payers and church-goers?

What then is the purpose of this practice (tithes, offerings and whatever), when people that don't belive in it or people of other faiths seem to do well without practising it. Surely it seem to raise an eyebrow as to the real purpose of the practice.

What is the real purpose of the practise? (those that believe in it)

Please, lets educate ourselves without resorting to abuses and bigotry.

funny world--with funny people.

He did not even mention anything about the victims---he is talking about the "wreck"



What about the victims---are they not children of God, so much emphasis on "men of God" these days that we forget we are all God's children.

The preacher kept talking about the "accused" and is ignoring the "victims" and his church is full.

Opium indeed.

@ omo_tier

Pls educate me on this tithing issue.

Where exactly does the tithes go?

If it was reflected in the OT, Fine-----but, is it reflected in the NT. If it was refelcted in the OT how was done? and how is it meant to be done?

Considering if it is an OT mandate, how come some other mandates in the OT are not being followed?
what is the spiritual sybolism of tithing?

thanks

Deep Sight:
I say that that is a wrong contention because the arguments here do not put any souls at stake. Whether you believe it or not, there are atheists, agnostics, buddhists, muslims, christians, deists and even CEC members that will all find favour with the most High God. And this will be because of the unction of love in their spirits. The arguments of dogma here imperil no soul. Such arguments only imperill the temporal dignity of the discussants.

@deepsight,

I have been following this thread and have really witnessed a variety of emotions. I saw how you tried to apply the "gentle-man" dose to a situation that has been brewing for a while,  personally I dont feel it is right to single out a person for his views or stand, (However riduculous it may seem). In that respect, I'm with you. However you failed to realise that there are two sides to a coin and out of the innocence of your intent, you risked sounding bias.  Anyway I applaud you for your attempt to apply reason. 

On the subject of if "corrupt" teachings has the ability to damn souls. I agree with you there as well, as these "souls" chose to believe another person's interpretation of the text thereby giving their own consent without adequatly researching into these texts in order to get their own understanding on the subject matter. Religion is very contentious and highly emotive because it rests on people's hopes therefore critical thinking is discarded. All hope inadvertently rest on the interpreter of the text.  Various factors contribute to this submission, often people attribute it to poverty or ignorance. I believe it is also psychological thing, and the insidious perpetrators are highly skilled in it.

A lie repeated over and over again will eventually start sounding truthful. It echoes Joseph Goebbles manipulation techiques. I dont want to use this thread for my interaction with you, but if you are ready, we can have a useful and educative chat on the role religion plays in our everyday lives on a saperate thread. .

Again the bolded also reasserts my belief that God looks beyond race, sexuality, denominations and other human attributes, but he looks at the content of your heart- that I feel is an un-biased way of judging everyone accordingly. then again no-one knows how God works. Its funny how some people claim they do. (forgive my typos)

@sagamite

"Religion is the opium of the masses"

Babangida defending abacha--- what's the difference btw them

@sagamite

karl Marx was right all along.

^^^^
1. My question was not directed to you.
2. How do you know I have no kobo in their balance?
3. Good that you like to see them with so much wealth, nobody is saying they should be poor. But what the Jesus say about the rich man and the needle?

Poverty is not a license to heaven, but is wealth the license?
Are you then the normal one?
When you hear of wealth you lose your reasoning faculties.

Nycenuf,

If your money contributed to the luxury of another man you are happy?

Really?

I hope you don't curse any politician. If you do, then you are hypocritical.

^^^^
what a lovely xtain reply.

By the way, if your GOd is a rich God how come he collects offering/ tithes/ seeds from people, including poor folks.

What does a rich God need the contributions for?
What are the contributions for?

^^^^^^^

LOL.

What has seun got to do with another person's post??

Is the movie industry meant to be death free? (Is any Industry death free?)

Does adeboye have the power to control death?

Is death not an inevitable entity that transcends beyond religion, doctrine and time?

None of the early pioneers of any religiuos institution have been able to stay alive to show us they defeated death?

What is the point in going to see another mortal (who at some point will die himself) , to pray over death to them?

COMPARE AND CONTRAST THESE TWO POSTS

Niceyenuf:
odes u will not tink of how 2 make your own money. awon olosi. busy bodies. always postin thins about rich pastors. is it a crime 4 a pastor 2 be rich. u will not attack your politicians dat ar d ones eatin your money. is it your money dat made d pastor rich or did d pple dat pay offering complain 2 u? better go and look 4 a job. freaks. mstcheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew.

koastar:
RELIGION AND HYPOCRISY IN NIGERIA
Wonder why Nigeria, a religious nation with bountiful resources is failing? The reason is not far fetched from hypocrisy. About 90% of Nigerians are either Christians or Muslims, yet we live as if God lives far away. A walk able street has at least five different churches, and Christians never miss services, crusades and vigil, yet corruption is the order of the day. A nation where people respect and fear their religious leaders more than God, where is the place of God? The answer is evident in what they do.

Nowadays, pastors emphasize more on miracles, tithes and offerings rather than true righteousness and the kingdom of God- the more the people, the more the tithes and the richer the pastor becomes. A nation where pastors and their wives have police escorts, I wonder if they believe in “the Lord is my shepherd?” It is so saddening that people fight for positions in churches; the poor are giving little or no attention while the rich are exalted. The people we find in our churches and mosques are the same people we find in our society that is corrupt.

With all these, the ordinary man will do anything possible to get rich at all cost just to be counted among. Altitudinal change is what we need in Nigeria. This should be preached and observed in our churches, mosques, offices, schools, homes, markets and on our streets. It starts with you!

Whice one makes sense and which one is outright ignorant?

You be the judge.

"Our God is not a Poor God"


But poor people's tithes/offerings/seeds are welcomed.

@ Frosbel

We all have the right to believe what we want to believe.  I dont feel you should "victimise" his person for his beliefs. (However strange it may be to you).

Yes he has a different approach to christianity, Infact we all have different views on how we feel religion should be best served. I feel continuous questioning and debates serves more as source of education. I disagree a lot with JO, but I still feel he has a right to hold his views. We must challenge each other's views potently in order to ascertain our understanding of the subject matter.

@ Jo

Dude, hold whatever views you feel is right to your understanding, I only beg you to have a more open mind and willing to take to corrections. Nobody knows it all, Including the "MOGS".  I also implore you not to put all your faith in men (Chris and other mogs). We are all of God. Those Men you choose to adulate can fail you at anytime. They''ll choose their family before you.
Please realise that this is a very big and diverse world, and nobody holds the monoply to Knowledge and wisdom. We all should learn from each other and love should transcend beyond religion and doctrine.
As I always say don't expect to be un-challenged in your views.

I look forward to our next debate.

@newmi

dude, stop spreading germs with your spits. (It's unhygienic)

mummy3:
speaking in tongue is to make the devil confuse and scared of you, because the devil will feel you are trying to consult a greater power to come and deal with him or her for that he or she will flee

So, speaking the normal human language will not make the devil confuse?

what is going on?

Nlmediator,

pls visit this section more, we need more contributions like yours.

Spot on bro.

What happened to " love thy neighbour" ?

Is christianity not a religion of love and tolerance?

@snowwy

You are welcome

@snowwy

show me the "nitpiked" word of God in my post.

I clearly made an input ( else, why would you refer back to me). It may not be what you like. It's clearly an "input" nevertheless.

^^^^^^

I agree,


The western world are not as religious and dogmatic, yet they are more progressive. They allow freedom of thought and give you the medium to achieve whatever it is you want to achieve regardless of your background and beliefs.( you can also criticise anyone, as you as an individual matters).

In Africa, we are "mentally lazy", and are content with what another man tells us. They tell us their own interpretations and live a contradictory life. A very obvious one for that matter. But the moment you challenge--you are of the devil---you are of the "world", pls tell me are they in heaven.

Hypocrites is too nice a word  for them.

(Men of God, indeed)

^^^^^

Mabell,

who are the " men of God"?

what is everyone else?

Men of satan?

They are Human just like you and I----they dont have two heads, nor do they have a special head.  They have done nothing on earth that another person has not done-including fraud, miracles and whatever.

THEY ARE NOT GOD---they are self-accliamed "Men of God"---

Did God tell you they are his men.

@ joagbaje

have you cast out demons before?

^^^^^^^^^

Thank you.

"Mentally Lazy"===== The right words

@vislabraye


how did you come about your realisation?

Did you check all threads? or did you check statistics?

Or are you just surprised at the varied response "oyedepo's thread" gets?

Were you expecting massive support?

Just curious to know how you concluded he is the most discussed person on NL.

Hi, musqeeto

I've actually been around,discussing and debating and learning about how people reason and how they respond to reason.


Anyway what do you think about this thread's discussion?

@joagbaje

While I understand the importance of maintaining a positive attitude including speaking positively  so as to avert negativity, I feel without acting positively, talk is cheap.

Also, you can profess all day,through speaking, to be sucessful in life but if you fail to WORK towards your dream, your words are nothing.

With regards to averting negativity through positive talking, I am sure most people travel praying or being prayed upon and also having a positive mind towards their travels but accidents still happen.

Little children die-why?
Am sure most parent dont speak ill of their children-yet some still die.
The hospital is where I know people have the most positive attitude (Well try too), yet people still die there.

So, I disagree with Pastor Chris-  In my view, your words dont control your life- God controls your life. (and nobody understands how God works)

You can speak against death for how long as you can.----but it will still come.

@ sweetnecter

I have told you It was a random list.
The list includes elements that have been criticised.
I have not gone on the Islamic section to criticise Islam.

I have told you the inclusion was not intended to offend.

If you can't comprehend with that, good riddance.

Random is random- there was no ulterior motives.

Your continuous fascination with my user- name is complimentary, but stick to the issue being discussed. There really is no need to derail this thread, Islam was not the topic.

If it makes you happy- "you are poor if you critisize christianity"

happy now.

If I may ask, which church/s does this?

did you read the context of the thread?
What is wrong in listing a world wide religion in a context that you refuse to ask the meaning?

Will it kill you to simply ask Why I included Islam in the list?


B4 your blood start jumping at the very mention of "Islam"-----this thread was never about Islam, And my inclusion of Islam was not intended to offend anyone.


Sweetnecte; All you could have asked simply was; dare2think wht do you mean by the list?
                                                                          dare2think why did you include Islam in that list?

My answer would have been; my inclusion of Islam was only random and in reference to some people's insinuations that only "poor people critisize".

So I merely drew a random list of elements that have been subject to criticism to make a satire of the dumb assertion that "poor people criticize" as criticism happens accros the spectrum of humanity-so, technically not only poor people criticizes. Simple.

All you had to do was to ask what I meant by the statement before drawing your conclusion.

"this your thinking is daring"---unecessary and childish remark.