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Christianity EtcRe: The Innercity Missions Of Pastor Chris by dare2think: 6:51pm On May 25, 2011
^^^

- Shakes head-

If you can't understand or refuse to understand my reply, shame.

Again, no point having a constructive engagment with you.
Christianity EtcRe: Child Abuse? by dare2think: 6:14pm On May 25, 2011
@ Martian


Just saw a programm on Tv in which the indoctrination of children was addressed. It was mentioned that as well as good morality is passed on to the children, prejudice I.e Homophobia and others, is also passed on to this children.

In that respect, I agree with some of your views.
Christianity EtcRe: The Backlash Against Tithing - A Must Read by dare2think: 5:15pm On May 25, 2011
Azibalua:
There is also an increasing awareness of the real reason for tithing,it's principle and effects in the world,everyday more and more people pay their tithe,
Very soon more people will come to the light of gods word
grin grin ;
Hilarious,

Which world??
Christianity EtcRe: This Is Not Another Pastor Bashing Thread! by dare2think: 4:51pm On May 25, 2011
muskeeto;


Dude-----------PARAGRAPHS

angry
Christianity EtcRe: The Innercity Missions Of Pastor Chris by dare2think: 4:45pm On May 25, 2011
This is what he said:

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

This is what you said:
Joagbaje:
And who told you Jesus wasn't collecting money?

Jesus wasnt saying it is wrong to have money. There is a different between a rich sinner and a rich saint. The saint gives his money to serve God. He is rich towards God.

All things belongs to God. He makes men rich.
He even mentioned it twice for clarification, yet your are still trying to dilute and twist it to justify yourself.   Ofcourse if you use it (riches) to serve God it is commendable but it still does not change what Jesus said.
Christianity EtcRe: The Innercity Missions Of Pastor Chris by dare2think: 4:37pm On May 25, 2011
Azibalua:
What makes you feel he was not the richest man on earth?
What do you understand by the rich man and the needle?
If he was not concerned about earthly riches why did he create them?
-Sighs-

Are you telling me the person that made this statement ;

Matthew 19:23-24 (New International Version)

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

Was the richest man on earth?

Wow, I'm speechless.
Jesus even said it twice.
Christianity EtcRe: Deeper Life Church And My Issues by dare2think: 4:28pm On May 25, 2011
Joagbaje:
Have you received the infilling of the holy spirt ?
What is the "Infilling" of the holy spirit?

How do we know if one has this Holy spirit?
Christianity EtcRe: Deeper Life Church And My Issues by dare2think: 4:26pm On May 25, 2011
Joagbaje:
I think you need a pastor .
Why??

Why can't we discuss and learn from each other.

Must the "Pastor" do the thinking for you?
Christianity EtcRe: If Jesus Should Come And Preach In These Pentecostal Churches Today! by dare2think: 2:48pm On May 25, 2011
He will weep and just turn back.
Christianity EtcRe: This Is Not Another Pastor Bashing Thread! by dare2think: 2:09pm On May 25, 2011
@papido

I like your approach too, though I don t agree with some things you said , I respect your stand.


But be careful, do not depend or exalt Or put complete trust in your fellow man, You will be disappointed, only God is infallible.

In my view, no need for jets when their are still hungry people in the country.

Good luck, I'm sure your are a pleasant dude.
Christianity EtcRe: This Is Not Another Pastor Bashing Thread! by dare2think: 1:08pm On May 25, 2011
@papido
thanks for the insight.
However, pls how did you come to the conclusion that the source of his income is from personal gifts? Where you there when he was recieving them?
From the way you sound you seem to know a lot about him.
Or are you a member of the church group that deals with finances? I'm only asking since I don't know, and you seem to be aware of the details of the church.
Or did you research it just like the "oyinbos".

By the way, I don't "hate him ", asking questions and debating on issues does not equate to hatred.

Thanks smiley
Christianity EtcRe: The Innercity Missions Of Pastor Chris by dare2think: 8:33pm On May 24, 2011
Joagbaje:
You should know by now if your questions are getting insincere , I will stop reponding to you. If it's ridicule you are out for. Bit if you seek truth and you want to discuss . Let's look into our bibles and see what God says. I didn't say Jesus differentiated . I dont like people who manipulate my posts to ridicule . I'm only trying to point to you the understanding of that passage. You believed by that passage that God is against being rich. And that's what I'm trying to correct. He is against a man putting trust in riches instead of God. But he is not against riches . That rich man had his trust in riches. He can't give.
I agree with the Bolded.

But you initiated that there is a difference between the "rich sinner" and the "rich saint". But Jesus never used those terms in the bible when he was discussing about the Rich man and the Needle.

But you chose to differentiate them yourself thereby distorting the real saying of Jesus Christ. Dont Think you can just come on a public forum and spew things unchallenged. Here is not a church congregation.
Christianity EtcRe: The Innercity Missions Of Pastor Chris by dare2think: 8:25pm On May 24, 2011
Joagbaje:
You should know by now if your questions are getting insincere , I will stop reponding to you. If it's ridicule you are out for. Bit if you seek truth and you want to discuss . Let's look into our bibles and see what God says. I didn't say Jesus differentiated . I dont like people who manipulate my posts to ridicule .
You are guilty of the same offense you are accusing me of.


When did I mention that God is against being rich?
Christianity EtcRe: The Innercity Missions Of Pastor Chris by dare2think: 8:21pm On May 24, 2011
Joagbaje:
You should know by now if your questions are getting insincere , I will stop reponding to you. If it's ridicule you are out for. Bit if you seek truth and you want to discuss .
Dude, that is your prerogative. If by challenging your assertions you call it ridicule then you, my friend, are afraid of the same truth that you speak of.
Christianity EtcRe: Child Abuse? by dare2think: 8:08pm On May 24, 2011
Martian:
@dare2think
I don't think all religious people are ignorant but if a person dismiss information or knowledge that he would otherwise accept if it wasn't because it conflicts with his religious convictions, then the person is being delibrately ignorant. I think you will also agree with me if I say, religious convictions can also make a person ignorant. Examples abound on this website and you make comments about it all the time.
I agree.
Christianity EtcRe: Child Abuse? by dare2think: 8:04pm On May 24, 2011
Martian:
@dare2think

I think you believe in god simply because you believe in the claims of christianity but I'm sure you don't believe in allah, zeus or vishnu simply because you have FAITH that yours is the real deal.[/b]Try to understand why you don't believe in vishnu and you"ll understand why I don't believe in yours.  [b]You reject everybody elses claims but protect yours from the same scrutiny, once you scrutinize yours with some intellectual hionesty, you'll become an atheist. You seem logical,smart and informed so if you're still a christian after you look at it objectively, the conclusion could be that you're scared of the uncertainity of death, you like the warm feeling and hope christianity gives you, or the indoctrination could be permanent.
I dont do any of the bolded.  I never disregard other faiths (Did I disregard you?).  If you read my post on this forum, I challenge bigoted views and obvious hypocrisy. And I subject scrutiny to all faiths including mine.

I feel the fear for the uncertainty of death is natural maybe that't why alot of people are into religion. Truth is, I dont know, I can only speak for myself.

Are you afraid of death?
Christianity EtcRe: The Innercity Missions Of Pastor Chris by dare2think: 7:40pm On May 24, 2011
Joagbaje:
Jesus was called fraud too . It's not an issue . I will still speak the truth.
dare2think:
By the way, YOU ARE NOT JESUS.
Joagbaje:
What has this got to do with me?.
Stop the comparison then. undecided
Christianity EtcRe: The Innercity Missions Of Pastor Chris by dare2think: 7:36pm On May 24, 2011
@ nukeboy?

Simple question, he keeps evading, funny guy I tell you

@ Joagbaje

Just answer the simple question

Did Jesus differentiate?
Christianity EtcRe: The Innercity Missions Of Pastor Chris by dare2think: 7:27pm On May 24, 2011
dare2think:
Did Jesus differentiate between the "rich sinner" or the "rich saint". Did he not say "rich man".
You missed this bit out.


I never mentioned Money in my post.


By the way, YOU ARE NOT JESUS.
Christianity EtcRe: The Innercity Missions Of Pastor Chris by dare2think: 7:13pm On May 24, 2011
lol, Joagbaje

Please supply the evidence that Jesus collected Tithes and "seeds"

Did Jesus differentiate between the "rich sinner" or the "rich saint". Did he not say "rich man".

Why do you always give your own interpretations to justify your arguments. That is scary and fraudulent. You keep falling for the names that you are being accused of.


Pls correct me if I am wrong.
Christianity EtcRe: Child Abuse? by dare2think: 6:53pm On May 24, 2011
I get you Martian and I see your points, But I have to say, Personally I have an innate feeling about the presense of a strong force within me. Whether it is due to the induced indoctrination you say, or the fear, I dont know. BuT I believe in God,

However I still acknowlegde the havoc religion has done to humanity and how It has been used as a source for manipulation.
I feel the true essence of religion has been corrupted and Individuals use the text to satisfy their "fears" and greed. Througout documented history, some people who claim their faith is the epitome of love and salvation often do the opposite and contradict themselves. This forum is a case study.

I feel there are some valuable teachings we can get from religion i.e loving thy neighbor and helping the poor. I do not feel as you are , Martian, that I am better than you because I believe in God or because you dont share my beliefs you are condemned to hell. That is not my position.

Fact is, crime is commited accross the spectrum of humanity, religiuous or non-religious. And morality is dependant on the individual and influenced by circumstances and environment. One of the Irony of some folks on this forum that I noticed is that they seem to pen prosperity on religion. Which is clearly not the case as prosperity is a natural phenomena that crosses the boundaries of religion. There are several rich Atheist as there are several rich individual of other faiths. That is my view.

One more thing, do not view theist folks as Ignorant. Evryone is entitled to their beliefs and faiths just as you are entitled to your beliefs but debates must not be avoided as we must continue to question each other so we can learn and also look within.
smiley.  
we can still chat more if you want.
Christianity EtcRe: The Innercity Missions Of Pastor Chris by dare2think: 6:20pm On May 24, 2011
Zikkyy:
One thing i can tell you, it's not from tithe and offerings or even first fruit or offer 7 smiley I dont get paid for teaching half truth smiley i don't sell rhapsodies handouts. I've done some bit of teaching but always ensure i deliver the complete package, no need for the participants to buy my ROR handout smiley Paul would have been rolling in millions/billions of shekels if he was selling his writings/letters smiley Imagine how much his estate would have been grossing today smiley Anyways, it your turn to respond to my question smiley

Bad timing angry you dont even know when to laugh angry truly sad sad
Lovely Reply,

Imagine if Jesus collected tithes and "seeds", the guy would have been the richest man in history.  But that would have contradicted his view about the RICH man and the NEEDLE which our "prosperity" brethens always shy away from.

"My God is not a poor God", Pls when did God ever get concerned about earthly riches.

Hypocrites is too nice a word for their kind.
Christianity EtcRe: Child Abuse? by dare2think: 6:05pm On May 24, 2011
Joagbaje:
It doesn't matter the indoctrination of children. When Christians pray the way they ought,the power of salvation will break through the Walls and barriers of false religion. Salvation will be wrought. Only if we spend time on our knees enough.
Which are the false religion?

Is it the little boy's fault (the boy in the pix) that he was born in a muslim region??

What about those in predominatly muslim states, where they were born and died, generation after generation. Are you calling their religion false just because you might have been "lucky" to be born in a christian region.

How is that fair?
Christianity EtcRe: Child Abuse? by dare2think: 5:55pm On May 24, 2011
@Martian

I just read over my post again (I did not construct the post well), and it looks as though am questioning your assertions but Infact , I agree with you.
But bigotry seem to be the order of the day. Everyone is trying to prove their religion is the right one. If only we spend all that effort on humanity the world would be an utopian entity right now.
Christianity EtcRe: This Is Not Another Pastor Bashing Thread! by dare2think: 5:06pm On May 24, 2011
del:
Violent, as your name sound so is your mind. you are discussing what you does not know. i will encourage you to start a research on how Bishop oyedepo got his wealth and get back to people on this forum.
Foreget about violent,

How did Oyedepo get his wealth?

Indulge us, so all this "blasphemy" stops.
Christianity EtcRe: Why The 'Daddy' Craze In Our Churches? by dare2think: 5:03pm On May 24, 2011
dayokanu:
The only Papa i recognize is Abbas Akande Obesere, PAPA Tosibe
lol
Christianity EtcRe: Is This True About T. B Joshua? by dare2think: 5:01pm On May 24, 2011
Joagbaje:
If he
at least you admit there is a "Power" so the next thing is "what kind of power"

But for your information , pastor chris had been working miracles from secondary school days. Preaching in villages and distributing free bibles.
Where you there?? or wass he the one that told you this?
Christianity EtcRe: Child Abuse? by dare2think: 4:59pm On May 24, 2011
mazaje:
If children were to be presented with the bible,koran and other religious text on their 21st birthdays and told to accept the stories and assertions of the books, majority of the kids will laugh and will NEVER accept what they read. . . . .Religion is culture and culture is a way of life. . . .People have to be indoctrinated at an early age and made to accept that their own version of mythology is right while other versions are wrong. . .Children just accept because they have no reason to believe that their parents are lying to them. . . . .
This is what I don't understand, and nobody seem to be able to answer me,

If I were born in China, 97% chance I would be a buddist and I would laugh at the concept of another faith.


Why cant we all get along??
Christianity EtcRe: This Is Not Another Pastor Bashing Thread! by dare2think: 2:47pm On May 24, 2011
@muskeeto

Martian was being sarcastic.
Christianity EtcRe: Is This True About T. B Joshua? by dare2think: 10:59pm On May 23, 2011
Joagbaje:
In the first place , God didn't send us to do police work by trying to know who is a man of God. But the bible says rather if a man comes to you as a minister, you should be careful who you receive as a minister . The bible tells us how to judge a minister . And that is by what he profess . Who is Jesus christ to him. What is his concept of salvation.i.e how many ways to salvation? Is Jesus come in the flesh or in the spirit. Did Jesus resurrect bodily?
undecided

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