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@ tonye t

I love your belligerent attitude, your Christian mannarism is worthy of emulation.

Jesus must be very proud.

OP,


Do what you need to do. You must take both parties serious.

Today, let me feed the trolls.

Jesus said :

Matthew 19:23-24 (New International Version)

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.


The above is what I understand by the "eye of the needle". Exactly what Jesus said, It is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Heaven is the aspiration of any TRUE CHRISTIAN

The saying was a response to a young rich man who had asked Jesus what he needed to do in order to inherit eternal life. Jesus replied that he should keep the commandments, to which the man stated he had done. Jesus responded, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

The young man became sad and was unwilling to do this.



before I go here is another version of the "eye of the needle"

Many have misunderstood the message of Christ in these words, for they have mistakenly equated “the eye of a needle” with a sewing needle. Camels do not go through the eye of a sewing needle, so this makes little sense. In the days of Christ cities were surrounded by walls for protection against invading enemies. Gates were set in the walls to allow people and materials to come and go. These gates were closed at night and in times of danger, but it was still necessary to allow a limited flow of people in and out. Therefore, built into the large gates was a small door which could be opened to let a man in or out. This small door was called “the eye of the needle.”

Camels at the time were used for transport of goods. They would be piled high with merchandise and goods to be traded. If a man came to the gates after they had been closed and needed to enter, it was possible to go through and take his camel along, but it was very difficult. The master of the camel would have to take all the merchandise off of the camel, and the camel would have to go through the gate on his knees.

This is a picture of how a rich man must enter the kingdom of heaven. Getting on one’s knees speaks of humility, and removing all the goods from the camel’s back speaks of the necessity of Christians being unburdened from their possessions.

Matthew 19:21-22 Yahshua said to him, "If you wish to be perfect, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieved; for he was one who owned much property.



Source:  http://thelatterdays..com/2010/04/wilderness-survival-for-christians-part_07.html.

Whichever way you choose to look at it, it is still hard for a rich man to enter heaven according to Christ?  You may not understand the above  if you find it hard to comprehend with written English.


So, newmi and azibula, I have answered the questions. Now, let me return it to you.


WHAT DO YOU UNDERSTAND BY " THE EYE OF THE NEEDLE" according to how Jesus mentioned it in the bible.

Please do not reply, if it has nothing to do with JESUS.




Eye of the needle
Camel.

Pictures included to enhance understanding. (Children loves pictures)

@ wetu

I agree with your last statement.  Alot of people don't pay tithe around the world yet they are richer than religious people.
How many tithe did dangote pay to the church?
Yet he is richer than any other black man in the world.
How much tithe did the wealthy Arabs in the middle east pay to the church?

Wealthy atheist?
Wealthy Sikh?
Wealthy pagans?
Wealthy Muslims?

SOme of these people got wealthy without stepping into a church talkless of
paying tithes, yet they are tremendously rich.

What then is the purpose of paying tithes or sowing seeds in order to prosper when "un-believers" get rich without doing it?

Simple logic.

But fraudsters would feed on the[b] ignorance [/b] of others and misqoute the text of the bible to say otherwise.

@ chukwudi

dude, I ask those questions all the time

Who says they are men of God?
Has God told anyone they are his men?

Oyedepo said he had a vision for 18 hours from "God" to liberate the world from oppresion 30 yeas ago.

Please sensible folks, does the world look less oppressed?
Who seem to have benefitted from this "call"?


Self-acclaimed men of God.

^^^^
what a lovely christain reply.

J12:
Nobody knows?

FACT.

phantom:
kai, so this oaf is still at this, , well i guess if you pull people out of a shithole and on to a dump,you' re become a hero, i have always said LAGOS IS LIKE WEED, GETS YOU HIGH, BUT THE SH.IT IS KILLING YOU GRADUALLY, , many lagosians need a full psych evaluation, that city has em f.ucked bad,

I acknowlegde Amaechi is doing his best. But seriously, how do you assess Fashola's perfomance in comparison to other Govs in their states aside from your state?

I love that Benny hinn's Armani jacket,

Eko Ile:
I don't think so. Fashola is doing a great job while[b] the other [/b] one is incompetent and spending more money with little to show for it.



what Fashola is doing is based on Lagos state's yearly budgets, but [b]Rivers state's yearly budget is higher than Lagos state, so why is it that this is all the ugly and aimless crap you have to show for all that money for just 5 million people against Lagos state's 18 million people

Obviously, there is some mago mago going on or your hero is just plain a lousy, clueless and incompetent administrator.

Based on the above facts alone, you really should be mad, not jumping all over the place with some silly mediocre and roadside pictures,[/b]

dare2think:
In your view, is their any Gov, aside from Fashola, that you feel is trying his best to serve his people?

Eko Ile:
We are talking about Fashola, you are free ask me that irrelevant, silly and pointless question the minute I start talking about other governors.

Bigotry is affecting the way you reason. Not cool.

By the way I'm a fan of fashola as well, I only asked a simple question.

@ bicici

List of some famous people;

Dangote, Theo phaphilis, Alan sugar, Barrack Obama, Curis jackson, Steven spielberg, ratko mladic, Mark zuckerberg, fatai, Platini, Ronaldo, RONALDINO, wAYNE rOONEY, Pastor
Albert Odulele, Joseph Goebbles, osama

How do their names correlate with their destiny?

Included in those names are 2 phedophiles, 1 racist, 1 rapper, some billionaires, 1 terrorist, Some footballers, some CEO's, A WAR criminal.

Do you know the name of the racist? and one of the peodophiles?, 

I will tell you after your next post,  But pls guess


muskito, you sef try guess

In your view, is their any Gov, aside from Fashola, that you feel is trying his best to serve his people?

@ bicici

Personally, I dont believe your name has anything to do with your destiny. I feel your fate-not faith- has more to do with it.

Look at the list of successful people in life and compare it with the list of the Baddest and craziest people in history

What is the difference?

Nothing.

^^^^


nice one.

Joagbaje:
True , poverty is not of God. It's based on ignorance .

Poverty is not of God??

Who is the God of poor folks?

So, people who are not in poverty, i.e Rich and Middle-class are of God, but not poor people?

And you are speaking on behalf of God??

And you are a pastor?? lol, funny world.

^^^^^^

They did not finish nigeria, Nigerian leaders finished Nigeria.

They did not show a movie or simulation.


THEY SHOWED REALITY.

@ Eko-ile & phantom


Really no need for arguments as their is a general consesus that both Govs have been efficient.


Atleast its good to see folks argue about achievement rather than the opposite.


They are both trying in my opinion

It's funny how the momentum has shifted from the problems highlighted in the documetary to the Poster and the news-station.

The content is what needs to be addressed. Yes aljazeera may be biased, yes the Poster lives in SA, that  still does not take away problems shown in the program.

This thread is not about India's slum, or SA's riches, or the bloody station. This is about the plight of your fellow Nigerian. These issues needs to be discussed and to shed light on our failed systems. questions must be asked;


How did it reach this state?
What are the priorites of the government?
How do we identify the right set of people to lead us?
How do we enforce our human rights?

There are problems in every country, But we are talking about Nigeria now and Nigeria's problem. Shame on our leaders-past and present-  (Respect to only a few). I pray those with the power to change these people's lives but chose to embezzle will not see the friuts of their children (Yes, Im that angry)

If we only have One of him in every state in Nigeria the progression would accelerate faster. I hope all gov-elect can emulate his standard.

You can be cynical------But His name is being enshrined as one of the most performed representative in Nigeria---------


I wish I could work for him. He seems inspirational.

Do not potray Jesus as someone concerned with Riches just to justify and suit your doctrine. It is shameful and Deceitful.


If Jesus was rich, Who did he leave the earthly riches with??

Peter? Thomas? His mother?

-shakes head-

The problem with Christianity are the so called Christians themselves.

So Newmi,


Which context are we to believe?


I agree with this person's context;


1) His pre-existence, because he became poor. He had been rich. Yet not in this world. He did not lay aside wealth here on earth after he had possessed it, for he had none. He was not first rich and then poor on earth, for he had no earthly wealth. The Socinian interpretation is, that he was "rich in power and in the Holy Spirit;" but it was not true that he laid these aside, and that he became poor in either of them. He had power, even in his poverty, to still the waves, and to raise the dead, and he was always full of the Holy Spirit. His family was poor; and his parents were poor; and he was himself poor all his life. This then must refer to a state of antecedent riches before his assumption of human nature; and the expression is strikingly parallel to that in Philippians 2:6 ff. "Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God, but made himself of no reputation," etc.

(2) he was rich as the Lord and proprietor of all things. He was the Creator of all John 1:3; Colossians 1:16, and as Creator he had a right to all things, and the disposal of all things. The most absolute right which can exist is that acquired by the act of creation; and this right the Son of God possessed over all gold, and silver, and diamonds, and pearls; over all earth and lands; over all the treasures of the ocean, and over all worlds. The extent and amount of his riches, therefore, is to be measured by the extent of his dominion over the universe; and to estimate his riches, therefore, we are to conceive of the scepter which he sways over the distant worlds. What wealth has man that can compare with the riches of the Creator and Proprietor of all? How poor and worthless appears all the gold that man can accumulate compared with the wealth of him whose are the silver, and the gold, and the cattle upon a thousand hills?

Yet for your sakes - That is, for your sakes as a part of the great family that was to be redeemed. In what respect it was for their sake, the apostle immediately adds when he says, it was that they might be made rich. It was not for his own sake, but it was for ours.

He became poor - In the following respects:

(1) He chose a condition of poverty, a rank of life that was usually that of poverty. He "took upon himself the form of a servant;" Philippians 2:7.

(2) he was connected with a poor family. Though of the family and lineage of David Luke 2:4, yet the family had fallen into decay, and was poor. In the Old Testament he is beautifully represented as a shoot or sucker that starts up from the root of a decayed tree; see my note on Isaiah 11:1.

(3) his whole life was a life of poverty. He had no home; Luke 9:58. He chose to be dependent on the charity of the few friends that he drew around him, rather than to create food for the abundant supply of his own needs. He had no farms or plantations; he had no splendid palaces; he had no money hoarded in useless coffers or in banks; he had no property to distribute to his friends. His mother he commended when he died to the charitable attention of one of his disciples John 19:27, and all his personal property seems to have been the raiment which he wore, and which was divided among the soldiers that crucified him. Nothing is more remarkable than the difference between the plans of the Lord Jesus and those of many of his followers and professed friends. He formed no plan for becoming rich, and he always spoke with the deepest earnestness of the dangers which attend an effort to accumulate property. He was among the most poor of the sons of people in his life; and few have been the people on earth who have not had as much as he had to leave to surviving friends, or to excite the cupidity of those who should fall heirs to their property when dead.

(4) he died poor. He made no will in regard to his property, for he had none to dispose of. He knew well enough the effect which would follow if he had amassed wealth, and had left it to be divided among his followers. They were very imperfect; and even around the cross there might have been anxious discussion, and perhaps strife about it, as there is often now over the coffin and the unclosed grave of a rich and foolish father who has died. Jesus intended that his disciples should never be turned away from the great work to which he called them by any wealth which he would leave them; and he left them not even a keepsake as a memorial of his name. All this is the more remarkable from two considerations

newmi:
My sister please e don reach to ask. Because l often wonder if these people have scriptures like this detached from their bibles

2 Corinthians 8:9
"For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich"
now some persons like that nuclear bonboi will be quick to want to say "oh the bible was refering to spiritual riches" sorry to disappoint you it doesn't suggest such from the context. Jesus was rich and well funded other for starters how would he had comfortably feed and cater for all his daily needs

yet he said this?

dare2think:
Matthew 19:23-24 (New International Version)

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

Azibalua:
Our christ is not a sissy
He never gives up,
He ll pat a lot of us on our backs and for some
[b]He ll encourage them to do more[/b]And for others
Hmmmmmm

You are right, Jesus will encourage some to do more, to collect more tithes and seeds. Because he really needs it, his transportation to and fro is not cheap you know. He also needs to take back to God his own 10%.

So believe me, he wont even encourage them, he would put pressure on them. God really need those tithes and offerings.

^^^^^^
Matthew 19:23-24 (New International Version)

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

cherry-pick your favoured verse, it still does not shadow what he (Jesus) said about " RIches".     

There is nothing wrong with being rich, but it is wrong to align it with spirituality and closeness to God.
All manner of people from different faiths are rich, pagans and atheist are rich.Good people and bad people are rich. Richness is an earthly phenomena.
Any religion or doctrine mainly focused on prosperity only serves the deceitful purpose of the leading elite, hence the fact that they are richer than the majority of those they claim to lead.

playboy19:
God is God to all men but there can only be 1 CEO in a company and only one President in a country (at any given time), so fingers can never be equal.

I agree.

But I disagree with the notion of God not being a "Broke God", as I feel God is not concerned with earthly "riches". The soul and potential damnation, I feel, is what he is concerned with.

He owns the world anyway, so there is nothing to be broke about.

being broke is an human attribute.

playboy19:
Well, i'm trying as hard as i can to use it (my brain) but your idiotic theories are not quite comprehendable by a person of a low IQ like myself. So please try and school me a bit of what exactly you are trying to stress with your theories.

Do you expect him to be broke because he is a pastor or what? God is not a broke God.

So, who is the God of the poor people?

"Is your "pastor" a one man show? I would be greatly concerned about this. If you go to your fellowship's website, is he the only leader mentioned? Is his the only photograph prominently displayed? Is he the only one free to speak about truth and error? Must all others agree with him or face the consequences? Does your fellowship revolve around his personality and the personalities of his wife and family? Do this man and his wife act like benevolent royalty? Do his wife and children have more influence in the church than the elders? Is he the only teacher? Does he have veto power over every detail of the functioning of your fellowship? Are the "elders" yes-men who really just act as his staff? Or is there a continuing line of former elders who have tried to speak up and were slammed? Did your fellowship begin by a gathering of people at this man's feet? Or if he were to go on to bigger and better things, would half to three quarters of his audience leave? Do people refer to your fellowship as "John's Church" or "Pastor John's Church" or "Pastor Smith's Church"? Are people induced to stand in line to speak to him? To shake his hand? Does their heart go pitter-pat when he mentions their name from the pulpit? Do they wonder if he's thinking about them? Do they yearn for his approval and fear his wrath?"



Good questions?

ifyalways:
@OP,I'm going to tell u what i wud tell my sister and also pretend your hubby is my brother.
This man endured alot,deprieved himself alot of things to be able to get u over there.Perharps he never envisaged things wud get rough this way,maybe he had dreams and visions of u coming over and somehow,getting a "miracle job",could it be that things got rough at work for him?Don't go yet,pls this is a phase that wud pass away,biko.
What do u do spend all your day doing?when he gets back from work do u care enough to ask how his day went?His food ready and warm,house well kept?
You are not his slave honey but such lil' gestures goes a long way.
Make a joke out of the accent ish,when he walks through the door,meet him with a deep kiss,take his briefcase and in your best thick "igbotic-americana" accent go "love of my life hope u had a good day".Give him body massages at bed,talk abt your unemploymed state with him often and remind him daily to check out openings for you.

This phase too shall pass,stay and tame him!

Impressive.

@ nuclearboy

-shakes head again-



How can one ever blame the athiests.

Ferocious wolves