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@sweetnecter



Pls read the thread before jumping to conclusions.


after reading through, pls get back to me.

and if you don't understand, simply ask me to explain why I listed those assertions.


ps- (no offence intended)--- I dont care which religion is bigger than whatever----I care about what religion has done positively to humanity.

beautiful culture and dresses.


nice girls too.

death is inevitable---whether you talk about it or not.

^^^^

Thanks for the correction.

it is still important to outline the "perceived" wrongs perpetrated in the name of religion and discuss about it.

The darkness should not be ignored and the light should be encouraged.

We cant pretend that all is perfect when it is not. That is deceit.

Joagbaje:
@snowy
Beautiful ,snowwy. We don't need to curse darkness, instead of cursing darkness ,you just turn on the light. Many are busy cursing what they perceive as darkness yet , they have no light to shine.

What is it about you that is shining? you don't know these people---especially as these is a faceless forum. how do you know they are not shining?

are you shining?

IF YOU DO NOT WANT CRITICISM-----IT'S EASY

JUST;



STOP SPREADING FALSE DOCTRINES AND LIES.

STOP FAKING MIRACLES

STOP ENRICHING YOURSELF OF THE BACKS OF POOR PEOPLE-( THEN SAYING YOUR GOD IS NOT A POOR GOD)

STOP MOLESTING OUR CHILDREN

STOP MANIPULATING THE BIBLE AND QUOTING OUT OF CONTEXT

STOP THE BIGOTRY

STOP WORSHIPPING MEN.

STOP DECEIVING PEOPLE.


AND THE LIST GOES ON.

You are poor if you criticize your government
You are poor if you criticize islam
You are poor if you criticize Abacha
You are poor if you criticize Ojukwu
You are poor if you criticize self-acclaimed "men of God"
You are poor if you criticize Joagbaje


-SIGHS-

@ Snowwy


Pls read the above----be objective----


We have to be "poor" to say our mind about what we feel is wrong. ( you see the resultant of the prosperity doctrine)




@iniedi


does your church not collect money/tithes/offerings from poor people?

very sad.

@ Iniedi


There is no such thing as luck?

Really?


I wonder the amount of preparation lottery winners do before winning the lottery? SO, they are not lucky?

I wonder who invented the word "luck", if there is no such thing as luck.

Why don t you try winning the lottery without luck. Or getting a contract without luck.

Why dont you try crossing a busy highway without luck----

Joagbaje:
Ordained by God through the ministry of laying on of hands. Paul was ordained . Timothy was ordained. So every christian doesn't have the MOG ordination .

1 Timothy 4:14
14 Don't neglect the gift which you received through prophecy when the spiritual leaders placed their hands on you to ordain you.

Its spamdare ( I keep alternating from phone to computer, never mind)

So, who Ordained Pastor Odulele? (His mentor is David Oyedepo)

Who Ordained Pastor Terry Jones that burnt the quran leading to the death of innocent people?

Who ordained the Pastor In the WACO incident that lead to massive suicide of the congregation.?


Who ordained this guys and the present MOG'S? 

God?

Are you telling God will instruct "Mogs" to buy Jets, but God cant instruct them to go to the village in kenya where children are dying of hunger.  Are those children not God's children.

God can't instruct them to go to people with inadequate healthcare and can't afford 3 square meal? But the guys he "ordained" travels around the world in luxury, drive big cars and live in big massion?

God?

Your God is not a God of poverty?


BUT HE COLLECTS THE TITHES AND OFFERINGS OF POOR PEOPLE?


God ordained these MEN,  ARE YOU SERIOUS??

@ snowwy

I am challenging certain MEN with questionable characters not God.

Joagbaje:
This thread is not about crime. If a man commits a crime . He should face the music legally. Either he be a man of God or man of the devil. This thread us about Walls of doctrinal diferences in the churches  lack of tolerance of others based on doctrines .

You are a very funny dude?

Your post indicated we should leave "men of God" alone.

I gave a reason and example why we cant leave these self-acclaimed "men of God" alone in reference to your post.

Then you say this thread is not about crime??


Why then use a generic term, (Men of God),that criminals and paedophiles use??

Joagbaje:
Far from it.  I love to be challenged. As long as we dwell on the bible.
My admonition is to my fellow christian . What I taught is based on the word. I don't know if you're born again. Any spiritual knowledgeable person will understand my exhortation.

Lol.  You crack me up. "spiritual knowledgable person"-----"born-again"

Tell those to your members.

Any "spiritual person" would understand the diversity of humanity?
Any "spirituial person" would know religion was used to enslave our fore-fathers?
Any "spiritual person" would know that hardwork and luck results to prosperity and not enriching his fellow man under the guise of "MOG"

You can emulate them, you can worship them, whatever,  THEY ARE MEN and they sin just like you and I.

They lead people to Christ yet they dont live like Christ??  THE IRONY.

Stop the hypocrisy.    

@ Snowwy

What do we do to a pastor that molest the children of the church??

Let him continue while we leave him to God?

What if that child was your Son? what do you do.

We have to address this issues and not just call any tom, d,ick and harry "men of God", did God tell you they are his men?

Check the story of the "WACO" incident in America, Where a "man of God"  told people God told him everyone should commit suicide---AND THEY ALL COMMITTED SUICIDE- BECAUSE NOBODY WANTED TO CHALLENGE THE WORD OF GOD.

No authority should go Un-challenged, except the word of God----not the word of MEN, with their various interpretations-

Why would God give us a Brain---if we decide not to use it.

Joagbaje.

I said "richness is a result of hardwork and  or luck alone"

you said

Joagbaje:
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 Where did you get this lie? The bible? What do you understand by "the blessing of the lord"

Unlike you, I have facts.
LUCK ;

Here is a list of the 10 biggest winners (uk):


1. Nigel Page, 43, and his partner, Justine Laycock, 41, who live near Cirencester, in Gloucestershire, became Britain's biggest-ever winners when they scooped a prize of £56 million today.
The pair shared Friday's overall EuroMillions jackpot of £113 million with one other ticket which was bought in Spain

2. Les and Sam Scadding from Newport, South Wales, and a syndicate of seven Liverpudlian call-centre workers shared a staggering £91 million in November last year.
Mr Scadding, who said he was lucky to be alive after beating cancer, was £68 overdrawn on the day he bought his ticket. The unemployed mechanic had been out of work since the previous Christmas.
Meanwhile, the Liverpool syndicate - dubbed the "Magnificent Seven" - each banked £6.5 million.
The group, all employed by Hewlett Packard to carry out IT work at a BT office, only started playing the Lottery together four months before their win.

3. Lottery officials had to appeal for Glaswegian Angela Kelly to come forward after she scooped more than £35 million.
The Post Office worker had left her winning EuroMillions ticket in her handbag for three days before checking the numbers.

4. Someone scooped £26.5 million in August 2007 but the winner opted to avoid publicity.

5. A family of builders, the Sturts, from Dorking in Surrey, banked £26.1 million just last month.
Taxi driver George Sturt, 75, believed the win was a gift from his late wife who died from breast cancer just six months before their windfall.
He vowed the Sturt family would not give up their jobs, following their luck.

6. Brian Caswell, from Bolton, Greater Manchester, won just short of £25 million last June.
The 74-year-old, a retired export manager, insisted he would not let the money change his life but said he would buy a flash car and go to Rio.
The pensioner, who scooped half the jackpot on the EuroMillions draw, said he and wife Joan, 72, would not move far from their modest home.

7. In 1995, double glazing businessman Mark Gardiner popped the champagne corks after sharing a record £22.5 million jackpot with business partner Paul Maddison.
But before the glasses were filled, Mr Gardiner's estranged wife was reportedly demanding half his share of the cash.
The two friends, from Hastings in East Sussex, spent more than £20 a week on National Lottery tickets, picking numbers at random in their office.
They only discovered their luck when Mr Gardiner went to the local bowling green to play a match and realised he had not checked the week's numbers.

8. Camelot had to launch an appeal for cancer patient Iris Jeffrey, 58, to come forward and collect her cheque for £20.1 million in 2004.
Just months after being diagnosed with the illness, the Belfast housewife hit the jackpot.
Her win went unclaimed for three weeks until the mother of two spotted the appeal on the news and dug out her ticket.
She immediately pledged to splash out on family and friends, with a new washing machine her only luxury.

9. The Benson Family thought their luck was in when they landed £20 million in 1995 but while they were out collecting their winnings, thieves broke into their home on the Boothferry Estate, in Hull, and stole jewellery of great sentimental value.
Terry Benson, an electrician, later appealed to the burglars to return the stolen items which included a pearl necklace he had bought his wife Brenda on their 30th wedding anniversary.
Some of the stolen property was later recovered following the plea for information.

10. A group of butchers scooped a cool £20 million in September 2000.
The Walter Cross syndicate, of Robert Perrie's butcher, in Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire, bought their ticket at the next-door grocer's shop.


Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/813275-lottery-winner-top-10-success-stories-in-the-uk#ixzz1OIFd3xlX


HARDWORK; (WORLD)

1. Carlos Slim Helu:
He is the wealthiest person in Mexican Telecom Tycoon Carlos Slim Helu, his stake in America rose 35% in a single year. Now he owns a stake worth approximately $23 billion. His total worth is estimated as $73.5 billion, up $18.5 billion in just 1 year.

2. Bill Gates
Bill Gates took the 2nd position with an estimated worth of $53 billion. After the 50% growth in the price of Microsoft Stock. Bill gates have been the richest man for almost 14 to 15 times

3. Warren Buffett
He has an estimated amount of $47 billion after a $10 billion jump in his stake at BerkShire Hathaway

4. Mukesh Ambani
Leader of Reliance Industries, which is India’s most vulnerable company. Mukesh Ambani inherited his corporate from his father who founded the company. He has an estimated amount of $29 billion

5. Lakshmi Mittal
Mittal is running the world’s largest steel manufacturer. Mital;s total worth is an estimated amount of $28.7 billion

6. Lawrence Ellison
He is the 6th richest men in the world. He Is a self made founder of database gian Oracle his stock prices rose to 70% in a year. Estimated $ 28 billion amount he has.

7. Bernard Arnault
It is a French fashion company. Arnault is now developing Shanghai Business property. His fortune is worth $27.5 billion

8. Eike Batista
Brazil’s richest man grew his money from $19.5 to $27 in a year. His ambition is to become world’s richest man. His money comes from his Oil and Gas exploration company, OGX

9. Amancio Ortega
4500 stores in 73 countries. Money worth $25 billion is none other than the Spanish Fashion mogul’s company

10. Karl Albrecht
The 90-year old German is an owner of discount supermarket chain worth $23 billion. He had this market just after the World War II.

AFRICA

[b][/b]Aliko Dangote: The richest black man. A muslim. Started with a loan from his father.


HOW MANY OF THESE GUYS VISITED "MOG'S" BEFORE THE GETTING WEALTHY?  HOW MANY WAS "BLESSED BY YOUR MEN OF GOD?    WHERE ARE THOSE BLESSED BY YOUR MOG'S? WHERE IS THERE LIST.


Again stop deceiving people.

I have stated hardwork with luck make you successful and I have included proofs.  Where is your list included with your proofs?

@joagbaje

A minister has the power to make men rich?

Are you serious?

Is that minister GOd?

Is every member of that minister's church rich?

Why are you equating mortals with with God?

Who makes athiest/ Muslim/ buddist rich?,  Your "mog's" ?

Richness is a result of hardwork and luck/ or luck alone,  And it happens across be spetrum of humanity.

For you to say a human possess the ability to bless another human with wealth is misleading and deceitful.

The richest people in the world worked their a.s.s off.   Your Mog's got wealthy of the the infacstructure  and influence of the church.    

Check the 1st ten richest people in the world and show me a pastor or man of GOd, the one with the ability to make another rich.


Such travesty. Stop deceiving people.

Dorox


Pls don't go anywhere. We need guys like you to say the bitter truth to these fraudsters.

Welcome.

Benodic

Dude. You took the words out of my mouth.

At the end of the day. We are all GOD or NATURE's children.

Love should transcend religion or doctrine. Unfortunately, the religious folks that are meant to preach love and compassion are busy preaching doctrine in a bigoted manner.

Ironic.  

Nice one benodic.

Schindler's List

Humanity is the most important aspect of our humanity. I agree with the Lady above. Doing what is right for your fellow human without expecting anything in return.


LOVING THY NEIGHBOUR REGARDLESS OF THEIR BACKGROUND, RELIGION, RACE, SEXUALITY AND WHATEVER.


The Irony is; Schindler was not even religious, yet he saved religious people at his own detriment.

very inspirational movie

yommyuk:
The policy that I have adopted on NL is not to engage the following.

1. Skeptics
2. Mockers
3. Athiest

I will tolerate muslims to an extend.

Christian brothers and sisters are my delight.

Why?

Maximize the value of my time spent on NL.

Had the early Christians followed your principle, Christianity would have died a long Time ago. Debates are inevitable factor in humanity.

Because they are people too, and this is a people orientated site where everyone is entitled to their opinions regardless of their background.

Why the discrimination?



If you want a site where you don't want a certain calibre of people,

My advice,

Create your own site.

Crash. ---Racism/discrimination
Saving private ryan----Sacrifice
Coloured Girls-----Women empowerment/ black women issues
Atwone Fisher----Child abuse



When I think of more i'll let you know

Nice one Jesoul,


Kinda understand where the op is coming from.


By the way, since we are on the movie thinghy,  Jesoul, have you see schindler's list ?

That movie made very deep impact to my conciousness. Truly deep. I inclined towards a more humanistic approach to life rather than a theological pathway, which always seem contradictory if we are to be honest.

Deepsight and Jesoul,

Have you seen the movie, if so what are your assessments?

@deep sight

I fully understand the political connotations and historical resemblance.

But what similarities has got with spiritual enhancement if I may ask?

pls indulge me.

@ Gentle me, sorry --(Tonye-T)

Since I am "rolled" in, I might as well respond to your childish antics.

Firstly, your rudeness seem to me to come as a result of a disturbed childhood, were you abused and deprived so bad that you seem to harbour a lot of anger in youself?

Either you are a very young individual or a very ignorant adult, whichever way, you need to find a source to vent your frustrations and anger.  We all have different opinions and views and it is inevitable we clash, but dude, your manners are repulsive and I really feel sorry for those around you because I am sure they are embarrased for you.
Gentle me (the sexual expert)or Tonye- T (the tithe crusader), whichever one, you give Christianity a terrible name and your attitude reflects your reasoning capacity. Shameful.

"Militant Christianity"

Am sure you feel you are doing God or Jesus a favour by your repulsive behaviour. I give it to Joagbaje for his matured response when under criticism. You on the other hand behave like a Dog that has been starved for days.

By the way, am responding from my Office's computer, so technically am not Jobless.



@ Frosbel, Earswide, Ogajim, Kunle oshob.

Ps stop feeding this troll.   Debates are inevitable in life and we all have different opinions. People should learn to construct their views appropriatly in order to achieve sensibility and coherence. This Troll must not be given the food he thrives on. Attention.

So pls help him out and ignore his antics.  I'll start.

Thanks

Tonye-T are you Gentle me??
 

If not,  do you know him?

Just checked the Guys history and it seems the dude likes you a lot.##  He seem to keep referring to you in most of his post (Tonye this , tonye that)


.  How come you repeated the very same questions he asked me and Frosel, then he magically modified his post to a meaningless one.

Is is because *whispers*  Gentle me frequents the sexuality thread? not that there is anything wrong in it. Or is there?

lol

^^^^^^^^^

The inevitable will happen no matter how long.



to the Other fake "MOGs",

YOUR TIME WILL COME

Ogoamaka99,

pls indicate any fallacy in my post and I'll correct myself.
All those "men of God" mentioned in my post committed the atrocities indicated.

Seems you have a problem in accepting reality and truth.
1 false pastor does more damage to Christianity than 1000 atheist.

Prove my post wrong or hide your face in shame.

^^^^^^^^

A pastor that molest the children of his church is not only a fraud but a peadophile- Pastor Odulele (uk)

A pastor that beats his wife to coma is not only  a fraud but also a coward- Pastor Gbenga osho (Nig)

A pastor that burns a Quran that lead to the death of innocent people is a fraud and a terrorist- Terry Jone (Florida)


Put your faith in Men, you will be disappointed.

Only God is infallible.

We need to wake up, these Men are just humans like you and I. They claim God speaks to them, Why cant God speak to you?


Religion does not bring prosperity, hardwork and luck brings prosperity. Hence, people accross the spectrum of Humanity can be prosperous including Atheists.

Christians die, muslim die, athiests die, pagans die-----------  Christians prosper, muslim prosper, pagans prosper, 50 cent prospers, dangote prospers, King of saudi prospers.

Prosperity is phenomenal, and any religious leader that is propagating and  "selling" a phenomena is a FRAUD. 

SIMPLE

@ tayo-d

I commend your approach on this tithe issue. Though I don't agree 100% with your post, the maturity of your response reassures that there are still sensible folks out there who can construct there arguments positively.

I believe the new generation pastors have abused the concept of tithes and offerings. Their lifestyle contradicts the humility Jesus exemplified.

Hopefully we can have a constructive chat when I'm chanced. We can both learn a thing or two without the interference of militant Christians. You'll notice them by their shameful posts.

Nice one dude.

I'm only stating my observations and have no insidious motives.

1. I never engaged in a debate directly with you.
2. I really don't care about the bloody debate.
3. I get no points/money/credibilty for stating my observations.

Why gentle man changed his post is puzzling and thanking me for a comment directed to someone else in that manner is more puzzling. Then you appear a min later to say the same thing is beyond puzzling.

Hence my reason for asking if you are the same person. Just an observation on my part.
I once had another ID when mine was blocked temprorarily so I don't know what the fuss is about.

Except of course if there is a motive on your part. Is there?

@ tonye t

You are welcome.

But dude, Pls look up "SARCASM".

By the way, are you GENTLE ME ?

Because he just wrote something similar to your recent post, then he decided to modify it, hence the incoherent post.

Am sure Frosbel noticed.

What is going on?

The ambassadors of Christ are really putting on a show here. God must really be proud about this debate. Atheists must be having a good time.

Never knew we had militant christians. Use and mis-use of bible text in display. Insults thrown all around. Exactly how Jesus spread in the good news.

What a shame.