₦airaland Forum

eniolaamos7:
I sense you are a student or a graduate of the school. You had better come to reality and accept the aestheticism over your vaunted unilag.

There is nothing special there, abi u no see the south African uni own thread

Nothing really impressive or out of this world here, still same old block structure no architectural masterpiece here. Drone shots of unilag still best so far

One4me:
Odarfey, it is that ingrate called Obaseki that brought shame to Edo and he must be booted out immediately.
Imagine going around begging and prostrating for everyone in sight, just because of his desperation?

BTW, Yorubas and Edos are from the same origin and we consider ourselves as BROTHERS.

Still yet, it is shameful for Tinubu to want to control Edo

Enwhen:
Yea , my 30% , is for a northern Christian ...which is also a bad option in the north ...the common mentality in the north , doesn't believes in soutberner faith in Islam, as such ,a northern christian VP, would be like a Chrstian-Christian ticket to most northerners.

That's the down side of national politics for you Yoruba Muslims

TayserMahri:

[b]chikungunya[/b]is transmitted via mosquito bites...not eating rodents

Or by biting your tongue from trying to pronounce it

Enwhen:
I gave him 30% in SS with the hope of his money, Edo , politics of the south which will also count but may not favour him...30% is the highest and best in Baba Tinubu can get in the SS and SE...Baba Tinubu won't be a good choice for the south against a northeeners even as a Muslim , mostly when he now pick a Muslim VP which will be the best for him in the north .

If Tinubu being a Muslim picks a Muslim Vp you can as well reduce his vote to minus 5 from SS/se

Auladimeji:
Brain you no get

Scanning for sense......

Result: Head not detected

gallivant:
There is more economic activity and skyscrapers in this neighbourhood than the entirety of Ghana.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVcJohPXgAI6rQd.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVcJohTWAAAPqhs.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZGpC9sXYAITdzJ.jpg

Last time I was here Kenya and Ghana had an alliance, what happened?
You even admitted to Ghana being ahead of you in lots of ways
I miss kazikazi

Buhari would rather kiss their foot, if it was him

NOETHNICITY:
Like we don't know that ibori controls Delta politics and Wike controlling things in the overall PDP
Even the PDP national chairman was handpicked by wike
Stop being a hypocrite

Iboris runs delta ok
Woke has no political weight outside Rivers State and that's a fact same with ibori for Delta on like our lazy Edo neighbours

Enwhen:
SenatorDave u got this completely wrong becuase u have not live in the north...Baba Tinubu cannot even will the south completely let alone the north, even with Starboy VP , it would be difficult, mostly if the PDP present a northern candidate from the north east...Baba Tinubu in South would be like ; SW = 75%....SE = 30% , SS = 30% ...as such, any southerner that goes into election with a northeeners with such percentage in the south would be a big loser...let us not decieve ourselves , Nigeria is completely divided , There is no way a southerner can defeat a northerner in any ballot presently, cos Baba Buhari has made is clear that he will not be part of 2023 politics , and is a fact with his records...the early the southerner get this fact the better...those who live in the north know this fact

What ss state is Tinubu getting his 30% from?

Yoruba muslims already said no, plus hope you don't plan on taking our Lagos with you because we won't allow it

NOETHNICITY:
I rather beg Tinubu than beg wiked wike

Each ss/se states run politics independent of each other no God father across board.
Shame on Edo for disgracing us all the time, begging a Yoruba man
Tueh

Yustash001:
Drone shot in trouble

He no even near Unilorin not to talk of U.I

Unilorin was by far the worst

ChinenyeN:
The concept of "cultural continuity" (with respect to the Awka-Orlu axis and the artifacts) seems to be evading darfay.

Cultural continuity you say?

The art work suggested that Igbo race of the 8th century were more advanced than those of the 18th century

Edo people should better vote out APC, oshiomole don sell Dem to Yoruba Muslims. A south south state governor going to beg Tinubu for endorsement. Only in Edo
Shame on Edo
Edo take back your mandate

pazienza:
We are not Nok. So whatever happened in Nok stays in Nok.
You are irredeemable. All experts who studied Igbo ukwu agreed it's an Igbo civilization, but a bitter frustrated Igbophobic entity on NL thinks otherwise and wants us to take him serious.

Igbo ukwu civilization belongs to Ndiigbo. That's all there is about it.

Move on.

Baseless igbophillic speculations

IDENNAA:
Oga, what is wrong with you? Those artifacts bear motifs consistent with Anambra groups like the Python , Ichi etc. How do you explain that ?

Pythons have always occupied those areas probably even before humans, so that's not a strong point
I don't know what ichi is but even at that igbo migrants might have borrowed it from them


@Nowenuse what's your take on this topic bro?

RedboneSmith:
Lol. Those artifacts highlight a culture that is still quite identifable with cultural norms in the whole Awka-Orlu zone. There is no doubt in any scholar's mind that ancestors of the modern Igbo of that general area made and used them.

How did the igbos of say the 18th century regressed so so much from their ancestors

upjohn:
I don't think so, Mister

So why the fuhck is it here?

pazienza:
More like its not the narrative that satiates your Igbophobic mindsets and wishes.

You are probably looking for a hypothesis that could pin those art works to non Igbo groups.

Sorry! Bad market.

Even Nok culture is said to be that of a lost civilization and there is no proof of being ancestors to middle belters as we know it. The Igbo ukwu bronze work were most likely carried out by a lost civilization who were displaced by Igbo migration into the area.

DuBLINGreenb:
That money done lose oh Chinese loan would have been better

True talk

pazienza:
Of course. Civilizations rise and fall.
Igboland civilization was at a decline at that point in time.
But the civilization still belong to us.
Perhaps environmental change forced the people to move around alot and more emphasis shifted from Art to survival. With no writing, those with the knowledge probably died without passing the knowledge fully to the next generation, etc..

Makes more sense but it's just one of many possibilities

pazienza:
What equal sophistication are you taking about?
Looks like you are drunk on Lagos-Ibadan express way media falsehoods.

Igbo society was very sophisticated and up to-date. Relative to other African groups.

That we don't have one lazy fat tyrant sitting on a chair called King, who dictates for everyone else, doesn't mean we are not sophisticated.
Democracy is more sophisticated than Monarchy, incase you don't know.

The artifacts did not match the reality of the people inhabiting that area as it the time it was discovered
Are you saying the Igbo society regressed?

RedboneSmith:
You're not an archaeologist. You are not an anthropologist. You are not a historian.

Yet you lie down in your room and challenge the professional work of people who are actually trained in the fields, and who did thorough field work. I'm talking specifically of Thurstan Shaw now. At this point, anybody who is doubting the age of the Igbo-Ukwu bronzes, with no alternative, better scientifically-sound dating methodology is just a troll. Babatunde Lawal raised doubts about the dates in the 1970s, and Thurstan Shaw gave a resounding defence and even exposed Lawal's ignorance of archaeological methods in the process.

Those bronzes are over a thousand years old. Find some way to live with that, dear. That they look 'modern' to you is testament to the sophistication of the civilization that produced them, and not an indictment of the radiocarbon dates obtained from the sites.

I don't even know how you think that because no bronze works of equal sophistication was being made in that area in 1900s, therefore the original makers couldn't have been Igbo. No terracotta or brasswork was being made in Ife in 1900 that match the naturalism of the ancient Ife sculptures, but I do not see anyone suggesting the Yoruba couldn't have made the ancient works. The Italians of the Dark Ages weren't building aqueducts and sophisticated road networks like their ancestors were doing before the fall of the Roman Empire. I'm yet to see anyone suggest this means the Romans didn't built aqueducts.

Civilizations rise and fall. Igbo Ukwu declined sometime in the 15th century. The archaeological records suggest this.

And in case you didn't know this, the Igbo Ukwu art match the general culture of that area of Igboland. You can observe ichi marks on the faces of the Igbo Ukwu bronzes. You can see representations of the sacred python which was venerated in that area. The marks and motif on some of the ware are very similar to the marks made on ozo doors. Even the pottery are similar in style and execution to the pots made until recently in Awgu called pots of valour.

But you don't know any of this. You just lie in your room stewing in green jealousy because there is nothing as remarkable as these from your own group.

All I was asking for was further proof

If those art work is as old a thousand years old with no proof of equal sophistication within such axis at which they were found at a much later date, then it was definitely of a now extinct civilization that might have been proto igboid or a now extinct or assimilated neighbouring group

RedboneSmith:
Lol. You're really struggling to 'prove' to yourself that these artifacts are:

1. Not as old as they are known to be.

2. Not made by the ancestors of the modern Igbo.



Keep it up.

Keep deceiving yourself

1,100 year old metal object wey dey in perfect,
1,100 plate with handle yet igbos were using Calabash pre 1900's even igboid and pazienza won't believe thid

RedboneSmith:
Lol. Those artifacts highlight a culture that is still quite identifable with cultural norms in the whole Awka-Orlu zone. There is no doubt in any scholar's mind that ancestors of the modern Igbo of that general area made and used them.

Was the awka orlu own anywhere near as advanced as the pictures of what I'm seeing?

RedboneSmith:
Lol. Those artifacts highlight a culture that is still quite identifable with cultural norms in the whole Awka-Orlu zone. There is no doubt in any scholar's mind that ancestors of the modern Igbo of that general area made and used them.

Look at the pattern on that bowl, it's definitely machine carved or do you know of any crude tool that could have created same pattern of identical size on that plate that had handle (which is even rare for precolonial shit)

lablonclacla:
Lol......the editing has distorted the pictures. No doubt OAU has some of the most beautiful architectural buildings but due to lack of maintenance, they are becoming shadows of themselves. Most haven't been painted for decades. Reason is why UI and UNILAG are far ahead.

Take for example no hostel in UNILAG or UI can ever be this bad and unkempt like these ones in the first two pictures. Now compare this to the worst hostel in unilag Enijoku from the last two pictures and see what i am talking about.

Guy why? See fatality! You is savage, chill u have not

And to think Eni njoku is considered the worst male hostel in unilag. Shey Dem don finish El kanemi yet?

Skepticus:
Yes, it is the pic of their oldsite.

Josites, gather here!

Please help us understand, what then happens to the old site especially after years of investment in it?

AmuDimpka:
Do you know that the meaning of Ndi Igbo ... Means the people of the ancient .... Igbo has been civilised

There is no proof to suggest that those artifacts if truly that old, aren't of a lost civilization. That's my own point