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Jodera:
If you can't call them to be at par, then what are supporting the stats for?

And please don't say we have different styles during both of them era. Both played under Wenger and Giroud immediately replaced Van Persie, so you can't say the teams or style was different

I am talking about downplaying Giroud cos of those mocking him for WC show.

His stats never won him Golden boot for Arsenal. Rvp got Boot at Arsenal and Man U. 30 and 26goals respectively.

Giroud can't lace RVP Arsenal boots. Let him try Yakubu Aiyegbeni fes. Who was the last person to score 26G/A for Arsenal sef? Auba?

Jodera:
So you agree that Giroud was on Par with Van Persie and Auba during their time here?

Error initially. "Without stats" corrected.


I can't call them to be at par. We should never forget the style of play is totally different even if they are both forwards. That's why i was laughing when i saw some comments mocking Giroud for not scoring at the WC. I just shake head. That guy was the intro to a new style of play for national teams.


His goals surpassing Igwe in national team is also indicative, not conclusive. OG sha was wasteful at Emirates sha.

Spy360:
I think it's correct to say. However, stats are facts that when presented as evidence should be accepted.

If I say I spend millions daily for example, and you doubt it. Then I bring facts to prove it, like a bank statement, you should accept the facts as long as you don't have any counter evidence, even if you still don't believe. That's my problem with Jodera. After going to viewing centre to hear beer parlour analysis he will come here to argue with no evidence.

Lol. All stats are facts
All stats are evidence
Make person no go dey shalaye without evidence. For one sample size, there can be stats and counter-stats. Both are still facts/evidence. It's now left to see which is affecting maximum output the most. If the counterfact is that max one, it wins!! Simple!!!
For your bank statement example, that falls under irrefutable facts!! However, since football get sentimental value in the mix, one may still choose to stand by their weak premise. Doesn't make it any more factual than the irrefutable one.

That is why i personally will continue to complain about our output vs last season. I'm not too comfy like others just cos we 2nd. By 2nd week of January we MAY be 4th if City continues to win and outscore us(for example). We can also be 1st again since out of top 4, we have the easiest next 5 fixtures( unless we flop and disappoint)

Jodera:
Any football fan that relies solely on stat is just trolling.

Yeah. They SHOULD NOT be ignored either. They spice up the analysis. Anyone wey no wan analyze with stats dey play. Not, e no dey play. The person dey gba!! Students of Statistics know these things.

Jodera:
Stats is just like Mini Skirt, cos it don't reveal the main important things.

That's why you'll be bold enough to say Nketiah is a better player than Jesus in arsenal because he scores more goals than him. That's why you'll say Giroud is on par with Van Persie, Adebayor and Auba in arsenal shirt. Mind you, 2/3 of the trio have won golden boot while the last one was a golden boot contender.

If you don't think Stats is to complement what we watch and not a "stand alone" criteria, then you can be watching your football in livescores/sofascores. They give good stats

Borrowing the words of komek on super Eagles thread

"Stats are indicative, not conclusive"

And we all know that one has to still react to indications for maximum output regardless of what one is comfortable with. Hence....

11 teams have scored more open play goals than us this season. Last season we scored 71 open play goals. Halfway through the season, we have score just 19. Chelsea has scored more open play goals than us. Make it make sense. That's 1 open play goal/match.

Our attacking threat has collapsed by half!!

Last season tactics also changed to accommodate Kai and Raya the most.

We are 19games away from what we so crave to change the history for good.
I'm glad the Liverpool games(last season draw and this draw) has exposed a lot about upfront.

The expected goals from our attackers this season is lower than Aston Villa's. Eeeiiiiiii😤


January, pls!!!!!!!!


I know var controversy dey. But it should not distract us from this drought of creativity and FINISHING. How painful for team like Barca that year vs Chelsea, creating Alll chances, only to get eliminated by a Torres goal.


Are the two wingers on a downhill of form? Or the tactics needs tweaking?

Seeing what Jerry is doing with mamelodi is why i was clamoring for our women's NWFL teams to get serious with this continental business. Better stepping stone. They better not miss out this time. They need to win it!!


Where is Olowokere sef?

Safe to Conclude that the Recruitment department of NFF is dead or useless. Pinnick did most of it during his time and one wonders how that became the job description of The Nff president. It's like Bubu being Petroleum minister. It also shows that influence should be the top priority of such department.


Whatever any insider wants to say to counter this will not cut it for me. We need to step upper, permit me. Abi na to dey influence invite list dem sabi pass?

Cecco90:
25 man list is out

Joker midfield. This man thinks na qualifiers we still dey play abi na friendly. Why must the midfield be think ALWAYS?

Where does he and nff that wanted 27 list, expect the creativity and fluidity to surface from without at least one new blood in the middle? Going forward, 7 should be the least invited for a tournament if we want to be serious. This is jokes. We have creativity issues and look at that midfield. Only iwobi is the dribbler there. Smh

BlueRayDick:
Drink water , sleep and u will be alright .

What's the meaning of this now?

Roland17:
Where was the overlap abi me and you watch different matches? Why is our attack on the right with Saka now stalling since Tomi went down? Tomiyasu is excellent at overlapping and putting sweet crosses in. Opposing coaches have to account for Tomiyasu’s overlap because it stretches the field horizontally. White offered absolutely nothing offensively.

What we saw was Odegaard constantly getting the ball at the edge of the box and just spamming/ forcing crosses. If White overlaps, Westham would have to move their defenders wide and outside the box to contain his threat and crosses. They can sit inside the box and stay compact because nothing is happing in the wings because of a lack of threat.

My point is

Is it White you want me to rely on for this overlap? Tomiyasu is a different case entirely. What he brings to the table is everything White offers and even more in attack to help any attacker that's right in front of him. White can never do anything different from the usual. Tomi does always. So we are saying same thing but Saka still needs that breather, with Tomi or with White. So his own individual game can help that attack overall.

Roland17:
As it stands opponents are not worried about an overlap from either side. White takes one away from Saka, if he continues to overlap, Moyes and opposing coaches will be forced to pay attention and stop sending the double or triple against Saka. Moyes did not have to do anything differently because Arteta did not do anything differently.

My point is despite this overlapping, what did it yield? All Moyes did was sit deep and wait for counter. Basic!! Yet we can't crack em. Well errors ruined the game anyway. But White?? Lol

Unlimited22:
Lol. Saka is being double marked, not triple marked.

He's been linking well with Odegaard. Let your RB push up and stop hanging back to cover for the 'inverting' Zinchenko and you'll see.

Have you been paying attention to even the commentators in last 5 games?


I rest my case.

BlueRayDick:
Lolz .

We are just at match day 19. The league is a marathon bro .

What matters is how we react to this set back going forward . No team will go unbeaten from
Now till the end of the season.

Na make we mount our guard gong forward

Nothing Just about these numbers if the title is the target. We weren't just "justing" last season at this crucial time of the season. This is our 1st home loss. That leaves Villa, Liverpool and City as teams yet to lose at home. Let's be using the latter two to gauge progress abeg. We can't keep doing this! The approach tonight was terrible. The tactical tweaking too. Our wingers are on drought mode too compared to last season. Nketiah is still out highest goalscorer. Nothing concern champions to be with "no team will go unbeaten"! That one kon be consolation for us? Really??

And i know very well that i am not overreacting.
As you said, let's see the next fix up.

Unlimited22:
He's offered you a solution. Let your right back overlap. Simple.

Did you read what i typed? The overlap carries one shirt away from the 3 marking Saka. That leaves 2. 2! Is that solution??

Roland17:
This is what happens when White never overlaps. If White is instructed to overlap, he will take a defender away from Saka, it is that simple, it doesn’t require moving anyone or complicated tactics..

It never works with teams that sit deep. White takes one of 3 marking Saka. How is that now a solution?? Something needs to change in approach so that boy sees even more space to exploit. That is his strength. Aren't you tired as well about the 3 man marking?

mostob:
Ode can be really frustrating sha. If na dat him wavy hair no dey let am play well, he should cut it off. Simple pass, baba go dey dance kurukere. Come see the way I was fuming during the match.

More experienced teams would just resort to consistent outside shots from centre as opponent wan sit deep. We can't crack deep teams like last season. Even Nketiah is not such a technical player for that. Its not jis strength. Odegaard played rubbish tonight. But so did Nelli and Saka.


This team better be clinical and super clinical. Cheap goals are the most annoying of last 7games. I pray we get zinny replacement asap. Make he sef turn sub.

BlueRayDick:
We had the ball for the first 10’minutes of the match and we didn’t do anyting with it . That was our undoing .

Every other thing was secondary .

We go again next time !

30 shots
8on target. Smh


Dispossession 13times with Odegaard and Zinny major culprit.


Now we are at that junction where GD is important once again. +18. If city win, and villa win too, we are straight to 4th.

It's time Teta starts a new plan to make Saka isolated like Salah. Guy has 2 to 3 shirts always on him. If making him central can work and Jesus takes his wing, all well and good. This 3on1 is bringing NOTHING if you're honest.

mostob:
These players should be investigated for match fixing. Did they deliberately lose or na swear dem swear for them?

they had all the time to rest well, yet see nonsense display. Tooooooooo predictable. Arteta better give these two wingers competition asap. Seems they're now super comfortable. Rubbish!!

Make we sef score. Na everytime var? 😒😒😒

See how blunt the attack is. Forget chances abeg, we aren't even getting any on target. Many still think this team will get 88goals this season? Isokay!! Saka is out of ideas

Dispossession is now what opponents wait for. Self destruct. All they need na counter. Smh.


That 1st goal, if Saliba was not dragged apart, it wont go in. See the faces near the goal. What's most painful is we never seem to get accurate shots from outside the box since Partey and Xhaka are no longer in XI. Smh

We need a midfielder to utilize this emptiness in the centre of our opponents box. Everything is just wide attack. Nothing from centre. Not even one shot off target. I've taken the L from this game though. But at Emirates

36goals

Lowest of top 5.

Attack is blunt. Odegaard and zinchenko losing possession in b2b games, costing us the major points eventually. Can't even cross and nod as no Kai in XI. Smh. Really smh.

I no understand this airplane mode the LHS dey on o

Nelson is the current face of Hale. ESR injury don make am comot that title. Now we have about a dozen Hale End boys doing way above the level, with about 5 balling on EPL standards already.


If it is hard for a fit Nelson to see more minutes, then by inference, e go hard to see our desires come through for these boys. Bench appearance no be am. 2minutes, 5minutes, 7mins. Let's just them.

Reminds me of a teenager that a manager was bringing on to just come get mins in injury time. All it took was 2minutes to influence the game on it's head. Manager is satisfied with draw, teenager made it a win. His career took the spin up from there. You know this player. Lol.


I hope they get minutes really

BascoVanVeli:
Super Eagles friendly win vs Argentina


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S61qfRentTw

The quick decision making i talked about in that 1994 afcon clip vs Zaire and same in this clip. If our attackers can just replicate it, working together and showboating later, we'll go far in this AFCON. I pray we utilize our setpieces advantage too. What a game vs Argentina. I miss the Arsenal Iwobi gaan.

Jodera:
Lol... It has nothing to do with Sama.ntha bro

Me laidis, na 2days dem knack too. I guess it's just Nairaland doing their thing. And we weren't the only victims too

I said so cos the reason given on Twitter was abuse and bullying report that went unchecked. Na dem sabi sha. Just back in time for our game

AndSunGorilla:
Victor addresses himself as the boy from Olusosun!!!

a street in lagos na.

Just the way rivers boy wey dey sing dey shout I'm from bariga. That kine thing.

Because of investigation, they no gree me login for 2days. But I'm Back sha. I guess it has to do with a southie babe, Samantha or so. This whole brouhaha.

What's the future like for young local managers, male and female, of Nigeria's female teams-

Flamingoes
Falconets


It looks like there's no actual fellow to make us stop recycling old coaches. What's going on? Are there very much younger, technically minded coaches?

Lush100:
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Very possible.

The difference between 1st and 8th could be 5 or 6points.

For example the diff between 1st and 3rd is currently 1 point

Was actually 8points. But that climb shows the consistency from 15th week to 38th week. That is no mean feat atallll. Arsenal was in 15th too. 9points behind City. Both started the climb, but city got 9wins in a row to top by 25th week. Impressive one. We kon finish 8th that year, losing 13.

We've really come a long way. 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿