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Christianity Etc › Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by davien(op): 12:27pm On Jan 21, 2015
sinequanon:
No, that is not my logic. I don't attach any "truth value" to the alphabet. You could give me the French alphabet, or any writing system, and I could use that. I am not claiming that the English alphabet is "The Truth" or "the right one". I am using the alphabet as a tool, not following it as some sort of truth.
So do atheists attach "truth value" to atheism?
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by davien(op): 12:23pm On Jan 21, 2015
vooks:
Is evolution a cult?
I think something has to be a belief before it becomes a cult/religion
What happens to those who don't subscribe to it? They are ridiculed, denied teaching jobs
Actually a great deal of "non-subscribers"(using your term) are teaching....in fact the texas board for education was at a time headed by a creationist(not sure who is currently)
-How much money is expended on evolution?
It depends on what you mean....it is funded scientific and academically(that I can tell you)
-How evolutionists spin garbage to explain away inconsistencies? Need examples? Distant star-light problem affects both worldviews. Go check how they work around it
well it's a bit immature to call people "evolutionists" don't you think,I do wonder why you term yourselves "creationists" though..
- How much or evolution is critiqued? Is it not taken and presented as 'fact' whereas it is not even a theory?
No theory is taken as facts because knowledge is never 100% complete...theories rather encompasses facts to form predictive statements about reality and perhaps past occurrences..

In short, you are talking about evolution,remove the log in your eyes bro
Yes I am talking about evolution,not proselytizing it, thank you for the clarification smiley
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by davien(op): 12:08pm On Jan 21, 2015
sinequanon:
Well, I look at your posting style, and almost every sentence you write or idea "you" have is not your own. Your language, mode of expression, examples, mistakes, misinterpretations (and reaction to having them pointed out) etc. are practically identical to the vast majority of atheists. That is what makes it a religion. You are a follower, not a thinker. Ultimately, whatever you are following so assiduously is your god.
And again by your logic since we follow alphabets(a-z) in english language,we are actually following the "god" of english language,lol undecided
You can equivocate the terms "god,religion,atheism,creationism" all you want, it's not going to magically make anything you assert as true... smiley
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Creationism A Cult? by davien(op): 11:54am On Jan 21, 2015
sinequanon:
The only difference between a "cult" and a "religion", like atheism, is numbers of followers. A cult following is for low numbers, and a religion for larger numbers. Creationism and atheism are religions, not cults.
So not believing in "god/gods" is a religion?.....so by your definition creationists have as many religions for the "god/gods" they don't believe in + the one they do believe in. undecided
This sounds a whole lot like a typical creationist equivocation fallacy.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Actually Happened Before Genesis Chapter 1??? by davien(m): 11:44am On Jan 21, 2015
vooks:
The earth is 6,000 or so years young
Gap Theory is the most ret@rded attempt at marrying confusion to science
So you are a young earth creationist afterall,hercjay these people want to indoctrinate you into young earth creationism....its better you learn about them beforehand...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism
They believe adam lived with dinosaurs dude....lol! smiley
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by davien(op): 11:30am On Jan 21, 2015
Hiswordxray:
God is love.
Love is wisdom.
Such wisdom is incomprehensible by mere men.
Does love keep a record of wrongs?
Christianity Etc › Re: What Actually Happened Before Genesis Chapter 1??? by davien(m): 9:28am On Jan 21, 2015
HercJay:
If you have read anything about it, please kindly drop it here.
Brother its best I inform you that the link the fellow in the above post gave you is a bait to lure you into "Young earth creationism",if you don't know what that means read here http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by davien(op): 9:10am On Jan 21, 2015
italo:
There's no law that says the creature must have the full properties of the creator. Correct me if I am wrong.
The bible makes the claim of the "god" you worship and in it,it terms human beings as being made in "the image of god".....

You say "undefined" yet you associate him with omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience.
I always employ fair skepticism to every theist....I want you to define your terms....the attributes I listed in my response to you(on a different subject) were alleged attributes(i even indicated that they were)....so do you agree with those alleged attributes or do you have yours? undecided
Do you want me to be perfectly truthful in answering you? Why do you want this? You got it from nature?
Should I be seeking false information?...you claimed this below
Where does he get the idea of a perfectly truthful being?
And I asked you what a "perfectly truthful being" would be, because there is no theme I know of that qualifies..
*I'm not trying to prove the existence of God to you. I'm only telling you what I know to be the reason for our fascination with beauty and environment. You are free to keep seeking the answer all over the place...or to believe that beauty is the absence of fear like plaeton said...or anything else.

If you want proof for the existence of God I think you should open another thread.
You made positive statements here as though they were facts and I queried you on them...
Can you explain how the environment is beautiful and how it captivates you? (I can ask questions too)
No I can't,because it is a totally subjective experience(atleast in the context you're asking)
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by davien(op): 7:27am On Jan 21, 2015
italo:
Where did God tell you he can't be awed? undecided
Well there's a certain level of being awed that takes an "I don't know how this happened" stance to appreciate.

Take for example...a land next to a lake filled with flowers,do you appreciate it more when you know how it happens or when you don't?..

Or even take for example,tribal natives who don't know what a mirror is...they'll gaze in awe and you won't(that-is if you know what a mirror is)..

It can also be felt when something unexpected happens.....so can an "omnipresent,omnipotent,omniscient god" feel any of this without breaking any of its alleged attributes?
Christianity Etc › Re: How Were People Solving Their Spiritual Issues When There Was No Christianity by davien(m): 1:58am On Jan 21, 2015
Is there even such a thing as "spiritual problem"?..I've noticed that anyone using those terms just refer to difficulties that are re-current.
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by davien(op): 10:28pm On Jan 20, 2015
GooseBaba:
I think we are captivated by nature cause we are nature.. We're one with nature hence our love and hate relationship. Heck..! We as individuals dislike certain things about ourselves.. We are capable of good and not so good.. Nature does the same. It's part of our beauty..

Mama nature i hail ohhh.. cheesy
Nice post...
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by davien(op): 10:26pm On Jan 20, 2015
Hiswordxray:
Well, keep fighting it and keep pretending but you would soon get tired.
You know it is God you desire and you would come to him when you are ready.
Well one thing I'll never do is presuppose what someone else is thinking like you do,because it is dishonest..

And I'm totally prepared to change my mind if presented with anything concretely validate-able,are you? undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by davien(op): 9:27pm On Jan 20, 2015
Hiswordxray:
I wonder why my friend davien had to create this tread in religion section. I know he must be looking for religious answers but he end up asking the question in a philosophical way - guess he's too shy to come out boldly and asks for help from religious people.
What other section would have fitted, literature? undecided

Do worry davien, I know you are struggling to come to the light but try to be more clear and precise with your questions. You know philosophy can't give you the answer you seek and that his why you posted it here but with the way you present your questions you would end up getting philosophical answers and you would go home with nothing.
I would appreciate philosophical answers because it encourages thinking....the "answers" you are pushing abolished any form of rational thought...
It is God your soul cry out for. It time for you to let go of your ideology and unfruitful reasoning. Reason with your heart and you would find the answers you need. Don't be afraid there is no harm in trying.
I don't understand a thing here...reason with my heart?.."soul"?...."god"?
Those words used to have meaning till I realised it was subjective and unique to everyone(hence has 0 definite meaning), so can you explain them to me?
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by davien(op): 8:59pm On Jan 20, 2015
italo:
Because we and the environment share the same author - God.
Can you tell us all what a "god" is and how you deduced it to be the "author" of nature?
God alone is perfect truth, perfect love and perfect beauty.
So how does something that is termed by you as "perfect truth and love",responsible for beings like us that lack "perfect truth and love"
When we seek perfect truth, love and beauty in his creature (which we cannot find), it is we innately seeking God the perfect one.
You seem to be pushing an ideology here, can you explain how the unknown(which we cannot find) is evident of an as yet undefined "god"?
E.g why would a man want his partner to never liie to him? Where does he get the idea of a perfectly truthful being?
I doubt I or anyone has the idea of what a " perfectly truthful being" would be,can you tell us anything concrete about where the idea of this being originated and how you know it to be true...
Where does humanity even get the word "perfect" from...when nothing in the physical world is perfect?
The term varies in contexts.....perfect may mean consistency...perfect may mean completion....perfect may mean alot of things....so the ball is in your court to tell us which aspect best applies to this idea of yours...
Christianity Etc › Re: Danger Waiting For All Christians In The University by davien(m): 2:21pm On Jan 20, 2015
Ranchhoddas:
lol.I also learnt from the op that onan was the first man to practice the use of condoms.
He is a typical Nigerian fundamentalist...scaring people into giving up their lives to adopt an "obey or else" mentality...
Christianity Etc › Why Are We Captivated By Nature's Beauty? by davien(op): 2:05pm On Jan 20, 2015
I can't find a day I'm not captivated by nature(both the good,bad,beautiful and ugly side)..but I'd like to pose deep questions...

why are we captivated?...

why does the environment produce deep feelings of euphoria?

when or where did these feelings develop?

why are we at the mercy of them?

And why do we imbue them with meaning?

These are philosophical questions....if you can contribute in any other way meaningfully ,then please do..
Christianity Etc › Re: if jesus died facing firing squad, what would v been the symbol of christianity? by davien(m): 10:48am On Jan 20, 2015
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Christianity Etc › Re: Danger Waiting For All Christians In The University by davien(m): 10:41am On Jan 20, 2015
Who told the story of Victor if he became deaf,dumb and crippled?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Basic Frame Of The Bible. by davien(m): 8:39pm On Jan 19, 2015
Hiswordxray:
Exactly, that is why:
Judicial system is sadist because they sentence people to death for killing.
Nigerians are also sadist for sending and supporting soldiers to kill boko haram for murdering.
And you are also sadist for sitting down and doing nothing about the boko haram that where killed.

Truly God created us in His image. The sadist God created human to be sadist.
Sadist by definition,is deriving joy in the cause of human pain..

And I do contemplate about the human lives of both parties....nigerian soldiers don't have the experience nor the tactical capability as compared to foreign military,so they are basically out in the open....while the extremist group were indoctrinated into a death-trap inwhich faith in a magical promise supersedes reality(much like your faith).

Plus,you're trying to justify "god"(allegedly) killing 42-children with two she-bears by equivocating it to the war on terror nigeria has with boko harm

The war we have with boko-haram is specifically to stop the killings of fellow nigerians....it was enacted when all diplomacy failed..it would also be retracted if the group surrendered.
The "god"(in the bible) killed 42 children without warning and with 0 justification and wasn't disturbed one bit by it..

Nigerians like you and other apologists,try to slot in excuses to the gaps in the action displayed by your deity..hence you tried to portray it as though the 42 children were little devils about to commit a horrendous act..
Hiswordxray :
Do you know the evil within them?
And let's not forget that it's still this deity that(allegedly) drowned everyone for being "evil"(allegedly), and yet didn't solve the problem of evil itself....
so if your guess was right,that the children were evil......would killing them stop evil people from approaching the prophet or does everyone with evil intent have to be killed around the prophet?...
And by using the logic of the bible, everyone that ever approached the prophet,have to be killed for being "evil" undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: The Basic Frame Of The Bible. by davien(m): 4:22pm On Jan 19, 2015
Hiswordxray:
Do you know those children?
Do you know who there parents are?
Do you know the evil within them?
Do you know their future?
Those details are irrelevant(even your bible didn't list them)...but it was written that they were killed for mocking a bald prophet....is this different from the terrorists that attacked "charlie hebdo" for drawing the "prophet mohammed"

If you should see Osama or Alduf Hither when they are just 10 years old and somehow you knew who they will be in the future. Won't you kill them if you have the power?
Besides the fact that you're question doesn't apply,I would not kill anyone...If somehow I could influence them positively then I would...
Killing someone to prove "killing" is wrong is ironic don't you think?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by davien(op): 11:32pm On Jan 18, 2015
Hiswordxray:
What do you know about tangible things.
Faith is more real than anything you call real.
So since we have different "faiths" on the planet...are they all real?
Is the faith in tooth-fairies based on reality?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Basic Frame Of The Bible. by davien(m): 10:01pm On Jan 18, 2015
Hiswordxray:
The state send soldiers to kill people and they even reward them.
Everybody support the Nigerian army who are killing boko haram.
The state is a sadist by definition.
And all Nigerians are sadist by definition.
So to you, nigeria sending soldiers to fight terrorism is the same as "god" sending two she-bears to maul 42 children?
Who caused more harm....children making fun of a bald guy(like most kids do) or terrorists? undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: The Question Most Christians Fail All The Time by davien(op): 9:13pm On Jan 18, 2015
Hiswordxray:
God had given you the greatest proof and it lies deep in your heart.
huh
Christianity Etc › Re: by davien(m): 11:44am On Jan 18, 2015
Why do Christians like lying to each other...
http://myths.answers.com/other/human-hoax-giant-skeletons-found
Christianity Etc › Re: 'Boy Who Came Back From Heaven' author Confesses That He Made Up The Story by davien(m): 11:27am On Jan 18, 2015
like I'm surprised? undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by davien(m): 4:08pm On Jan 17, 2015
truthman2012:
Is man not part of the Universe, which you believe came to existence through cosmic inflation? The question that led to this was 'What Caused the Universe'? And you said it was cosmic inflation. Then, how did the cosmic inflation produce man?
You are applying it wrongly....
Here's an analogy,because erosion forms soil and micro-organisms are a part of soil doesn't mean erosion creates micro-organisms,do you understand?
Christianity Etc › Re: High Noon For Creationists: The Universe Evolves Life by davien(m): 4:02pm On Jan 17, 2015
RikoduoSennin:
I you really sure about that. Have you read other articles on this matter. Because I am of the opinion that:

If Weak Force is slightly stronger means - No Helium will have to be produced

If Weak Force is slightly weaker means- Nearly all the Hydrogen would have been converted into Helium.

Am I wrong, I hope I am wrong because if the above is right then it implies your source article above is wrong when it says Weak Force absence changes nothing.

Weak Nuclear Force- the force that governs the decay of radioactive elements and the efficient thermonuclear activity of the sun.
You are very wrong....first of all you didn't read the reviewed paper and if you can show me how this paper was falsified in anyway then please do..
I said you didn't review the paper because it addressed all the issues you put up above and the "weakless universe" was calculated and simulated to contain helium..
in our universe,a collapsing gas cloud with hydrogen begins to fuse by the weak interaction p+p→D+e++νe (17) once the temperature of the core rises above about 107K.
This reaction is obviously absent in the Weakless Universe and naively appears to be a serious bottleneck to stellar ignition.However,we showed that for˜ηb 4×10−12,the synthesized elements of BBN included a large fraction of deuterium. The presence of a much higher fraction of deuterium allows collapsing clouds of hydrogen gas to skip this low,weak interaction mediated process(17)and go directly to p+D→3He+γ.
Subsequent burning occurs by the standard chains 3He+3He→4He+2p D+3He→4He+p


Well, we can because its a lot of coincidence that we have the right value/amount/Mathematical constants for life to thrive here on Earth. Eg What will have happened if

1) Gravity were stronger or weaker on Earth

2) Electromagnetism is stronger or weak both on Earth/ our Solar system

3) If Weak force is slighty weaker or stronger

4) If Strong Force is slighty stronger or weaker.

The Results of any of the about, will mean extinction for man and animals even plants.
At first glance and rudimentary thinking this appears to be correct...but lets consider the "weakless universe",at first glance and rudimentary thinking didn't you rule out helium formation and yet calculations and simulations proved it being created regardless? undecided
The truth of the matter is that we tend to think this laws are puzzle-pieces I.e miss one and the whole picture can't be gotten..but in reality,they are just emergent properties of the universe,we can't tell if lowering or increasing one wouldn't end up changing the rest still leading back to a fully-functioning universe and cannot tell if variations of any of this laws could take place while the rest remain fixed...so in summary,if you can't demonstrate there being a must for the laws we have then you have no case..

I am sorry if I have offended you, it was not my intention. I only meant for Evolutionist- others who believe such to comment on it.
lol,I understand smiley .
Please do read on the peer reviewed article on the "weakless universe" or google the for pdf format. smiley
Christianity Etc › Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by davien(m): 1:30pm On Jan 17, 2015
truthman2012:
You need to defend the issue you raised and it is you who is lazy to state what you discovered in your reseach.

How did cosmic inflation lead to emergence of man?
lol....If you had read anything about the subject you'd know it has nothing to do with the existence of human beings...you're leaping from astronomy to biology..
Christianity Etc › Re: Scientific Proof That God Exists: For Atheists by davien(m): 10:58pm On Jan 16, 2015
truthman2012:
Cosmic inflation is defined as 'expansion of space'. Try to explain how this led to emergence of man, afterall he is a part of the Universe.
Has your browsing capability expired or you're too lazy to make the research?
Christianity Etc › Pastor Punches Boy For Not Taking "God" Seriously by davien(op): 5:31pm On Jan 16, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxmee94T560

The pastor said the boys intelligence' made him more dangerous..
Christianity Etc › Re: High Noon For Creationists: The Universe Evolves Life by davien(m): 5:01pm On Jan 16, 2015
vooks:
A truth seeker be me
Be precise please..
Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus' Two Natures: God And Man by davien(m): 4:59pm On Jan 16, 2015
dd12345:
@davien and others, if you av any question or want clarity, i will be online 2moro btw 8am and 5pm...thanks.
Thank you

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