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sinequanon:So do atheists attach "truth value" to atheism? |
vooks:I think something has to be a belief before it becomes a cult/religion What happens to those who don't subscribe to it? They are ridiculed, denied teaching jobsActually a great deal of "non-subscribers"(using your term) are teaching....in fact the texas board for education was at a time headed by a creationist(not sure who is currently) -How much money is expended on evolution?It depends on what you mean....it is funded scientific and academically(that I can tell you) -How evolutionists spin garbage to explain away inconsistencies? Need examples? Distant star-light problem affects both worldviews. Go check how they work around itwell it's a bit immature to call people "evolutionists" don't you think,I do wonder why you term yourselves "creationists" though.. - How much or evolution is critiqued? Is it not taken and presented as 'fact' whereas it is not even a theory?No theory is taken as facts because knowledge is never 100% complete...theories rather encompasses facts to form predictive statements about reality and perhaps past occurrences.. In short, you are talking about evolution,remove the log in your eyes broYes I am talking about evolution,not proselytizing it, thank you for the clarification ![]() |
sinequanon:And again by your logic since we follow alphabets(a-z) in english language,we are actually following the "god" of english language,lol ![]() You can equivocate the terms "god,religion,atheism,creationism" all you want, it's not going to magically make anything you assert as true... ![]() |
sinequanon:So not believing in "god/gods" is a religion?.....so by your definition creationists have as many religions for the "god/gods" they don't believe in + the one they do believe in. ![]() This sounds a whole lot like a typical creationist equivocation fallacy. |
vooks:So you are a young earth creationist afterall,hercjay these people want to indoctrinate you into young earth creationism....its better you learn about them beforehand... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism They believe adam lived with dinosaurs dude....lol! ![]() |
Hiswordxray:Does love keep a record of wrongs? |
HercJay:Brother its best I inform you that the link the fellow in the above post gave you is a bait to lure you into "Young earth creationism",if you don't know what that means read here http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism |
italo:The bible makes the claim of the "god" you worship and in it,it terms human beings as being made in "the image of god"..... You say "undefined" yet you associate him with omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience.I always employ fair skepticism to every theist....I want you to define your terms....the attributes I listed in my response to you(on a different subject) were alleged attributes(i even indicated that they were)....so do you agree with those alleged attributes or do you have yours? ![]() Do you want me to be perfectly truthful in answering you? Why do you want this? You got it from nature?Should I be seeking false information?...you claimed this below Where does he get the idea of a perfectly truthful being?And I asked you what a "perfectly truthful being" would be, because there is no theme I know of that qualifies.. *I'm not trying to prove the existence of God to you. I'm only telling you what I know to be the reason for our fascination with beauty and environment. You are free to keep seeking the answer all over the place...or to believe that beauty is the absence of fear like plaeton said...or anything else.You made positive statements here as though they were facts and I queried you on them... Can you explain how the environment is beautiful and how it captivates you? (I can ask questions too)No I can't,because it is a totally subjective experience(atleast in the context you're asking) |
italo:Well there's a certain level of being awed that takes an "I don't know how this happened" stance to appreciate. Take for example...a land next to a lake filled with flowers,do you appreciate it more when you know how it happens or when you don't?.. Or even take for example,tribal natives who don't know what a mirror is...they'll gaze in awe and you won't(that-is if you know what a mirror is).. It can also be felt when something unexpected happens.....so can an "omnipresent,omnipotent,omniscient god" feel any of this without breaking any of its alleged attributes? |
Is there even such a thing as "spiritual problem"?..I've noticed that anyone using those terms just refer to difficulties that are re-current. |
GooseBaba:Nice post... |
Hiswordxray:Well one thing I'll never do is presuppose what someone else is thinking like you do,because it is dishonest.. And I'm totally prepared to change my mind if presented with anything concretely validate-able,are you? ![]() |
Hiswordxray:What other section would have fitted, literature? ![]() Do worry davien, I know you are struggling to come to the light but try to be more clear and precise with your questions. You know philosophy can't give you the answer you seek and that his why you posted it here but with the way you present your questions you would end up getting philosophical answers and you would go home with nothing.I would appreciate philosophical answers because it encourages thinking....the "answers" you are pushing abolished any form of rational thought... It is God your soul cry out for. It time for you to let go of your ideology and unfruitful reasoning. Reason with your heart and you would find the answers you need. Don't be afraid there is no harm in trying.I don't understand a thing here...reason with my heart?.."soul"?...."god"? Those words used to have meaning till I realised it was subjective and unique to everyone(hence has 0 definite meaning), so can you explain them to me? |
italo:Can you tell us all what a "god" is and how you deduced it to be the "author" of nature? God alone is perfect truth, perfect love and perfect beauty.So how does something that is termed by you as "perfect truth and love",responsible for beings like us that lack "perfect truth and love" When we seek perfect truth, love and beauty in his creature (which we cannot find), it is we innately seeking God the perfect one.You seem to be pushing an ideology here, can you explain how the unknown(which we cannot find) is evident of an as yet undefined "god"? E.g why would a man want his partner to never liie to him? Where does he get the idea of a perfectly truthful being?I doubt I or anyone has the idea of what a " perfectly truthful being" would be,can you tell us anything concrete about where the idea of this being originated and how you know it to be true... Where does humanity even get the word "perfect" from...when nothing in the physical world is perfect?The term varies in contexts.....perfect may mean consistency...perfect may mean completion....perfect may mean alot of things....so the ball is in your court to tell us which aspect best applies to this idea of yours... |
Ranchhoddas:He is a typical Nigerian fundamentalist...scaring people into giving up their lives to adopt an "obey or else" mentality... |
I can't find a day I'm not captivated by nature(both the good,bad,beautiful and ugly side)..but I'd like to pose deep questions... why are we captivated?... why does the environment produce deep feelings of euphoria? when or where did these feelings develop? why are we at the mercy of them? And why do we imbue them with meaning? These are philosophical questions....if you can contribute in any other way meaningfully ,then please do.. |
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Who told the story of Victor if he became deaf,dumb and crippled? |
Hiswordxray:Sadist by definition,is deriving joy in the cause of human pain.. And I do contemplate about the human lives of both parties....nigerian soldiers don't have the experience nor the tactical capability as compared to foreign military,so they are basically out in the open....while the extremist group were indoctrinated into a death-trap inwhich faith in a magical promise supersedes reality(much like your faith). Plus,you're trying to justify "god"(allegedly) killing 42-children with two she-bears by equivocating it to the war on terror nigeria has with boko harm The war we have with boko-haram is specifically to stop the killings of fellow nigerians....it was enacted when all diplomacy failed..it would also be retracted if the group surrendered. The "god"(in the bible) killed 42 children without warning and with 0 justification and wasn't disturbed one bit by it.. Nigerians like you and other apologists,try to slot in excuses to the gaps in the action displayed by your deity..hence you tried to portray it as though the 42 children were little devils about to commit a horrendous act.. Hiswordxray :And let's not forget that it's still this deity that(allegedly) drowned everyone for being "evil"(allegedly), and yet didn't solve the problem of evil itself.... so if your guess was right,that the children were evil......would killing them stop evil people from approaching the prophet or does everyone with evil intent have to be killed around the prophet?... And by using the logic of the bible, everyone that ever approached the prophet,have to be killed for being "evil" ![]() |
Hiswordxray:Those details are irrelevant(even your bible didn't list them)...but it was written that they were killed for mocking a bald prophet....is this different from the terrorists that attacked "charlie hebdo" for drawing the "prophet mohammed" If you should see Osama or Alduf Hither when they are just 10 years old and somehow you knew who they will be in the future. Won't you kill them if you have the power?Besides the fact that you're question doesn't apply,I would not kill anyone...If somehow I could influence them positively then I would... Killing someone to prove "killing" is wrong is ironic don't you think? |
Hiswordxray:So since we have different "faiths" on the planet...are they all real? Is the faith in tooth-fairies based on reality? |
Hiswordxray:So to you, nigeria sending soldiers to fight terrorism is the same as "god" sending two she-bears to maul 42 children? Who caused more harm....children making fun of a bald guy(like most kids do) or terrorists? ![]() |
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Why do Christians like lying to each other... http://myths.answers.com/other/human-hoax-giant-skeletons-found |
like I'm surprised? ![]() |
truthman2012:You are applying it wrongly.... Here's an analogy,because erosion forms soil and micro-organisms are a part of soil doesn't mean erosion creates micro-organisms,do you understand? |
RikoduoSennin:You are very wrong....first of all you didn't read the reviewed paper and if you can show me how this paper was falsified in anyway then please do.. I said you didn't review the paper because it addressed all the issues you put up above and the "weakless universe" was calculated and simulated to contain helium.. in our universe,a collapsing gas cloud with hydrogen begins to fuse by the weak interaction p+p→D+e++νe (17) once the temperature of the core rises above about 107K. This reaction is obviously absent in the Weakless Universe and naively appears to be a serious bottleneck to stellar ignition.However,we showed that for˜ηb 4×10−12,the synthesized elements of BBN included a large fraction of deuterium. The presence of a much higher fraction of deuterium allows collapsing clouds of hydrogen gas to skip this low,weak interaction mediated process(17)and go directly to p+D→3He+γ. Subsequent burning occurs by the standard chains 3He+3He→4He+2p D+3He→4He+p Well, we can because its a lot of coincidence that we have the right value/amount/Mathematical constants for life to thrive here on Earth. Eg What will have happened ifAt first glance and rudimentary thinking this appears to be correct...but lets consider the "weakless universe",at first glance and rudimentary thinking didn't you rule out helium formation and yet calculations and simulations proved it being created regardless? ![]() The truth of the matter is that we tend to think this laws are puzzle-pieces I.e miss one and the whole picture can't be gotten..but in reality,they are just emergent properties of the universe,we can't tell if lowering or increasing one wouldn't end up changing the rest still leading back to a fully-functioning universe and cannot tell if variations of any of this laws could take place while the rest remain fixed...so in summary,if you can't demonstrate there being a must for the laws we have then you have no case.. I am sorry if I have offended you, it was not my intention. I only meant for Evolutionist- others who believe such to comment on it.lol,I understand .Please do read on the peer reviewed article on the "weakless universe" or google the for pdf format. ![]() |
truthman2012:lol....If you had read anything about the subject you'd know it has nothing to do with the existence of human beings...you're leaping from astronomy to biology.. |
truthman2012:Has your browsing capability expired or you're too lazy to make the research? |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxmee94T560 The pastor said the boys intelligence' made him more dangerous.. |
vooks:Be precise please.. |
dd12345:Thank you |
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