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Eberex:
The solar system as well as the whole galaxies can NEVER be covered by man, NEITHER its knowledge nor size. Then you cannot expect man to fathom how large it is. God is the creator of everything. Any attempt to try and measure how big God is is total madness!

please search before making broad statements...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_System
http://www.noao.edu/education/peppercorn/pcmain.html
And if you can assert without evidence who/what made everything then I could say as well that a space-chimp made everything.

This claim is made by perhaps virtually every theist that wants to offer apologetics to the question of where "god" is.

My issue with this is that,besides the fact that the doctrines involved makes no such claim(or atleast claims "god" coming from "the clouds" ).

There is virtually no way to even state whether space and time has an outside,because it(space and time) encompasses all of existence..It would be the same as claiming space has an edge.
So if space-time encompasses all of existence(as far as we can tell),then what does the theist mean by claiming "god" lies outside existence as though it were known that existence contains an "outside"..

If you would like to offer your views to this,please do.

PastorOluT:
We are created for far more and death couldnt have been the end, so where do u spend the rest of ur life after death?

do dead people still have lives?

This is the best you can come up with? anecdotal tales of "once in a...."?

all4naija:
The major reason is that that human beings are reasonable animals with high curiosity and nature has a lot of things to offer in that direction which need answers!

Nice..

lastmessenger:
Commando you have not answered my question. I guess you are here in Defence of your brother. Try harder and Goodluck.

Thank you...although don't be surprised if your actions here are used against you..

lastmessenger:
Which commandment do you know Mr commando?

Well "mr commando" wants you to just not be a hypocrite about your beliefs and your actions.

lastmessenger:
Joke of the century. Nobody will listen to you.
You are feeling bad huh? Have you forgotten how you attacked me and called me a paranoid schizophrenic? How you continuously made derogatory statement about my faith. Now you want the mods to come help you. You are on your own

Well be the bigger person and let it pass you by...and aren't you violating your 9th commandment by bearing false witness?

johnydon22:
lolzzz... what are the xyz of evolution?
answer should be: Go read it up, if you ever read books you wouldnt have been asking such questions!!!
(Scientific books are not like the buy bull that have millions of interpretations, everybody given it their own meaning ignoring the literal meaning...Scientific books are straight and gives one explanation and means exactly what it says no different interpretations)
WE NEED A LIBRARY IN NAIRALAND... AM NOW CONSIDERING OPENING A PDF E-LIBRARY FORUM HERE ON NAIRALAND....People need more books!!!

That's a good idea....a topic with the header "library" should be in the science section where pdf files can be uploaded....then If anyone doesn't know about certain theories,they can readily get it there and read...atleast refusing to do that would prove his/her intellectual dishonesty..

Hiswordxray:
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You keep asking questions but all the questions you have asked are the wrong ones. The right question is "how can I be saved?".
Well, I'm getting tired of answering the wrong questions but I would answer this last one.
When Adam sinned all men died. Everybody was born dead but yet every person still has the ability to limit the advancement of death in their lives but we all failed. We couldn't manage this disease but we allowed it to spread still it totally intoxicated us.
We fail, but God still loves us and He ran to our rescue because we can't help ourselves. God didn't give us any conditions, He simply gave us the cure.
"Namely, the righteousness of God which comes by believing with personal trust and confident reliance on Jesus Christ (the Messiah). [And it is meant] for all who believe. For there is no distinction" (Rom 3:22).
The cure is meant for everybody, their is no needed requirements because God's solution is all inclusive. All you have to do is take this cure by believing because it is by faith we receive that which He had already given us.

What's the use of you insisting i join your religion when i'm not convinced of any of its claims?...And you've failed miserably to account for everything I asked.....so goodbye..

Hiswordxray:
Unbelievers are spiritually dead and that is the greatest disease in the whole universe. God loves you so much that he provided a cure which is Jesus. Therefore not believe in Jesus is the greatest harm anyone could do to himself.
This terrible disease call "death" would lead to a meaningless and frustrated life and at the end Hell. You would experience both hell on earth and Hell after you die.
God loves you and desire to cure you, so take the cure now.

What led to the disease of death and why is the cure not free for unbelievers?......since "god" is love and love is unconditional,why is "god" conditional towards unbelievers?

Hiswordxray:
Sin is not just something bad that you did against God but it is also something that you do against yourself that could destroy you.
When God atone for your sin He is not doing it to appease His anger but He is doing it to save you from the destruction you and invited into your life. God atone for your sin because He loves you not because he is angry and keeping record of your sin.
Like I said before, love doesn't keep record of wrong but it cares about others. God atone for you sins because He cares for you.
“For this is like the waters of Noah to Me; For as I have sworn That the waters of Noah would no longer cover the earth, So have I sworn That I would not be angry with you, nor rebuke you." (Isa 54:9).
God had sworn never to be angry with you (His covenant people/born again Christians) therefore there is nothing we can do that could make God angry with us.

Okay....since "sin" is something bad you do to yourself is unbelief a "sin" and what harm is it to the unbeliever?

dajoaneke:
Then why did God flood the earth? Wickedness filled the earth... Why did Christ die? Because the world was sinful and wicked. Back in the days, everybody get juju e de serve. Thats why you hear generational curses, family juju etc. Our forefathers were wicked, believe it

We've reached a point where we can say for certain that a "global flood" as told by the "bible" never happened...otherwise we'd find life-forms like trilobytes and cows on the same strata and we'd also not find geological features unique to certain environments...plus civilizations that were recorded to have existed never ceased existing at the time of the alleged "flood"(e.g The Egyptians )

vanen2:
It is easy and comfortable now to attack those led by the Spirit of God, and call out "gnostics" and "mystics" those who hear and follow Jesus' voice....But wait till society crumbles with the calamities to come, and the collapse of the central bank, and the ensuing chaos...Then these people will be hungry for a word from God as to what to do, for all their crutches will be taken away....a word from God for direction will be desperately sought....Seek Jesus NOW dear friends, hear from him NOW...Then, you will have direction THEN....

Take a good look people,this is what happens when conspiracy theories meet christianity...

AllNaijaBlogger:
We meet again, Mr Sinequanon.

I see that you are not happy.

I don't believe he is ever happy when he opens a topic...and I'm sure he's pissed because he was served back with the same rhetoric he uses to equivocate terms...

mmsen:
mogbo?

christians act as though they they were pooped into existence...

italo:
I know. "Nothing did it. It all just happened out of nothing."



Maybe someday I'll have enough faith to believe that.

No one has made any positive claim here but you....thank you for your opinion though

sinequanon:
Dude, the discussion ended when you said there is no such thing as an "atheist outlook".

This is an irreconcilable difference of opinion.

I enjoyed your childish and amateurish use of psychology to try to extend the discussion, but all good things have to come to an end.

I made a correction that the minimum requirement required to be an atheist is to not be convinced "god/gods" exist....and thank you for the ad hominems,that only shows your inability to continue in a coherent discussion like this....

Hiswordxray:
No, but love always put others first.

If love doesn't keep a record of wrongs then how can "god" atone for sins?....there should be no atonement if "god" is love and love doesn't keep a record of wrongs.

italo:
To be frank, I don't intend to try to prove God's existence to you because I dont think you are ready for it.

I came here to tell you what I know for sure.

You are free to keep searching for meaning all over the place.

Many of us have found the essence of life long ago.

Good for you then, the rest of us don't style with "god did it"...

sinequanon:
I think that is a question you should ask yourself.

The reason you cannot lay out your points specifically and directly is indeed pathetic. The reason you do it is because you lack confidence in your own opinions, and know that you cannot express them convincingly.

You don't seem to understand anything here.. you awoke a dead topic just because you where ticked it addressed creationism differently..and now you're accusing me of not expressing my points convincingly,if that were true then you wouldn't need to comment in the first place now would you?

truthman2012:
Which double standard?

You can examine islam to soon go into extinction but can't examine your own religion

truthman2012:
No.

Why the double standard?

sinequanon:
Which mythology are you trying match? That in itself influences your outlook.

This is really pathetic....is this how you creationists get when you're cornered?

truthman2012:
With dirty and wicked acts of muslims all over the world, islam will soon be no more.

While jihadists get killed and are killing their fellow muslims in their attempt to eradicate Christianity, coupled with large conversion of muslims, the religion will soon finish itself. This is good news for lovers of God.

For further reading: www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm

Can you say the same for christianity?

sinequanon:
There is no point us discussing something you don't see.

One of us is an atheist and the other a creationist who has to rationalize and filter reality to match mythology...so now tell me where you got the idea of an "atheist outlook" from,I am very interested to know...

bushdoc9919:
Oy....I am actually an Old Earth Creationist....I was merely linking him to ideas about the topic.

Young Earther I am not!

Good

sinequanon:
You can be an atheist, or have an atheistic outlook, without being religious. You can be an atheist without following athe[b]ism[/b], or anything else. I have suggested that there are atheists who are indifferent, (or even 'strong atheists' who can account for themselves maturely and articulately in their own words), but these are few and far between.

There is no such thing as an "atheist outlook",the minimum requirement to be an atheist is to not be convinced of the "god/gods" claims people make.

All I am saying is that their is a religion of athe[b]ism[/b]. And most atheists follow that religion.

There's not a "religion of atheism",you are merely equivocating terms...
much like saying since 2 is a number,and 6 is also a number...therefore 2=6.

I cannot decipher your point, if any, here.

Can a position that is about the lack of knowledge of a substance,make a truth value stance about said substance?

vooks:
Get a job, life

I do have a job,thank you..I just want hercjay to flee from the reptilian claws of creationism and its adherents...

vooks:
you are cultic, can't stand debate or logic so you are preempting this by ad hominem

Really? why did you choose to neglect the fact that you were directing him towards creationist beliefs?

sinequanon:
Yes.

Just go through the posts on this forum. All the swearing and ranting by atheists is over what they believe to be true or untrue. Most of them do not adopt a position of indifference.

I understand that a majority of atheists here are "strong atheists",a truth value cannot be assigned to an agnostic(or lack of knowledge) position....if you still insist that a truth value can be assigned to a "lack of knowledge",then I urge you to fish one outside of theism/atheism e.g bigfoot or ojuju

vooks:
This is not a battle of wits where you win and I lose. Are you suffering from inferiority complex?

You tried to lure an innocent christian(hercjay)into your creationism fundamentalist cult,and I notified him to know what he's coming across