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pazienza:
Do you mind quoting any part of that website that stated that the school was founded in 1980 and established in 1979. http://www.esut.edu.ng/

I await!

Why are you so dishonest? Recall that I've always maintained that you are a fraud. Was that the link you initially posted in defense of your assumed ASUTECH establishment and founding dates? Go back to page 10 of this thread and there you'll see the Wikipedia link you posted. Here it is anyway:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enugu_State_University_of_Science_and_Technology

and below is the section where it says founding happened in 1980 and establishing happened 1979. Happy reading:
Enugu State University of Science and Technology
Enugu State University of Science and Technology (ESUT)
Type
Public
Established
1979
Founder
Jim Nwobodo
Vice-Chancellor
Professor Luke Okechukwu Anike
Students
50,000 [1]
Location
Enugu , Enugu State, Nigeria
6°51′24″N 7°23′45″E / 6.85667°N 7.39583°E
Campus
(Agbani campus)
Urban
(Enugu campus)
500 hectares (1,200 acres)
Nickname
ESUT
Website
www.esut.edu.ng
The Enugu State University of Science and Technology (ESUT) is a university in
Nigeria that was founded as ASUTECH on July 30, 1980.
The university was conceived with the aim to establish an institution that must be closely related to society........

pazienza:
Lol! The point is that the Yorubas and Edos claim that Zik opposition to secession clause in the constitution must be seen as Zik and Ndiigbo stopping them from secession, when it is on record they never declared secession at any point in Nigerian history and was stopped by Zik or Ndiigbo.
The airheads argue that secession clause must be equated to secession, and so far we had shown they are two different things all together.

This is not about What Biafrans think about the British illegal occupation of Africa, and the illegality of Nigeria since no Nigerian ethnic nationality was consulted to vote before Nigeria was created.

This is about winning the Edos and Yorubas at their own game, using their own rules.

The secession clause blackmail used by Yolobas and Edos if followed to logical conclusion like I had shown so far, is redundant, irrational and a cheap blackmail.

No country's law supersedes the universal human rights, Nigeria being a signatory to it, cannot violate it.
Right to self determination is also sacrosanct!

Since they were all still part of Southern Nigeria as you claimed, and there was no Eastern region
then, what stopped Awolowo from fighting for their inclusion in Southern Nigeria since he too was a Southern Nigerian like Zik.

Knowing your diabolical mind, if Zik fought for the inclusion in Southern Nigeria and then Eastern region, you Igbophobic beings would have still accused him of being a land grabber, who was out to expand Igbos territories by proxy.

There is no pleasing Igbophobic beings by an Igbo man. He is condemned for his actions which are misinterpreted and twisted to make him a greedy villain and then by his inactions which are distorted and logic turned on its head to present him as being too weak, docile and disillusioned.

This comment is totally irrelevant to what you quoted which itself was a response to your attempt to justify Zik's bid for Western Premiership with constitutionalism. This one particularly has nothing to do with secession issue at all.
Despite having proven on another comment that Igbos rejection of the secession clause was tantamount to holding Edos, Yorubas, Hausa-Fulanis, Urhobos, Ijaws, etc back in the union against their wish, I will still oblige you here with the explanation.
When AG through Enahoro and Awolowo in different constitutional conferences made that proposal, the Zik-led and Igbo-dominated NCNC vehemently opposed it arguing for a unitary state with an overwhelmingly strong centre and terming the clause inimical to national unity. But with time Zik won Northerners to his side and together with the British support began to threaten the AG with prosecution for treasonable felony. AG had to reluctantly drop the clause off their agenda for fear of British crackdown on their members.

pazienza:
Well, contrary to your claim, the Union Treaty of
1707 had in it the clause which granted Scotland’s
demand of the right for legislative autonomy within
the UK. Read it over again. It was you who
referenced it. Now, it was that clause David
Cameroon invoked to direct the Scottish Legislature
in 2012 (The Edinburg Agreement 2012) to go and
deliberate over it and come out with a working
document on the manner to go about the
referendum in 2014.

Lol! There is no secession clause in the Union treaty of 1707! Yes Scotland was granted legislative autonomy that was still under Westminster. Catalonia had a similar arrangement granted unto them in Spain. But ultimately, the decision to allow referendum to hold was beyond the powers of Scotland and Catalonia.
While UK out of magnanimity decided to support Scotland Referendum, Spain didn't do same for Catalonia.

This whole talk about secession clause is redundant.

I would no longer bother myself with researching your claims because you poorly comprehend what you read only for me to arrive there and see a different thing. It has been your style here.
and like I have told you the resistance to Igbos' attempt to goad others into secession is a moralism issue and not one of constitutionalism. Get that into your head.

pazienza:
4. There was everything to show that Zik’s quest to
hold Nigeria together was not propelled by blind
optimism but by the pursuit of a vainglorious title
of “Zik of Africa” and subconsciously a pro-Igbo
agenda of domination which he and his surrogates
like Onyeama had already declared. The massacre
of Igbos in Jos and Kano in 1945 and 1953
respectively, the Northerners open chanting of
born-to-rule – a philosophy antithetical to
democracy, Ahmadu Bello’s open castigation and
demonizing of Igbos (Zik himself inclusive) at
every opportunity, frequent demands for de-
amalgamation by Northerners, etc were all enough
eye openers for an innocently blind optimist. Zik’s
argument might be intellectually sound but it was
far from the reality kissing everyone in the face.
And you know that idealistic people normally sound
very intelligent since the imaginative world of
alternate reality is full of utopian images.

You are yet to provide any concrete evidence of Zik believing in Nigerian union not being genuine, other than your jaundiced opinions which count for nothing.

What other evidence do you need that would be more convincing than the fact that a man saw his brothers being killed daily by those he wanted a union with but continued seeking that union? Are you mentally retarded to understand simplest logic? As long as he was not a psychiatric patient then an ulterior motive was the driving force behind that conviction. What greater obligation does a genuine leader owe his subjects than to secure their lives first by any reasonable means possible which in that case was to give up that "national unity" pursuit immediately? It takes people who are alive to enjoy the fruits of any kind of unity being pursued on their behalf. Even Ojukwu later made a detour from "one-Nigeria" pursuit in the face of unabated Igbo massacres in the North. Most Igbo academics of today have come to the inevitable conclusion that Zik was propelled by the vanglorious "Zik of Africa" Title. You alone are the odd one out.

Nowenuse:
You see, this is why i love the yorubas. Yorubas really do not care about minority groups. They are the only majority group who really respect the rights of minority groups. They have left Edo and Delta people to be their own.
What about tribes like Bariba, Igala, Igbirra, Nupes, Ogori e.t.c? These are middlebelt tribes that share so much in common with yoruba, infact if care is not taken you easily mistake them for yorubas. Many of them even speak yoruba fluently as 2nd languages in their homelands, yet u will never see yoruba force them or arguing with them to be yoruba.
What about the yoruba speaking Kwara, Kogi and Delta (Itsekiri n Olukumi) people? You hardly hear Yorubas arguing over Ilorin or Lokoja or Warri, having a heated issue with these middlebelt yoruba speakers, unlike Igbos who you always see insulting and antagonizing many SS groups just because they fail to accept Igboness or Igbo brotherhood.

There are Yorubas in Benin republic and Togo, but those in Nigeria do not kill themselves over these people. Imagine if there were Igbo tribes in Cameroon and beyond, we would have not drank water in peace because of Igbo claims day and night. Why is it always Igbos?

Igbos completely lack the leadership skills as a majority group to treat minority groups well and win their hearts just as among the Hausas, Fulanis, Kanuris, Shuwa arabs, Bauchis, Nupes and many northern muslim groups do. They think it is about bragging, arguing and insulting day and night that will help them with the SS. Attache by force.
Hausa-fulanis welcomed a lot of these northern minority groups to their lands, gave them equal oppprtunities and that was how many northern tribes accepted Hausa-fulanis the more. But igbos cannot even accept themselves let alone other groups to fluorish and succeed in their lands. That was how an Abia state governor sacked all the Imo state workers in their state.

They are not diplomatic but arrogant and full of themselves. They don't know the power of diplomacy hence they have lost the solidarity they used to enjoy from some minorities. They think force and cheap blackmail can change their fortunes. When an eastern minority expresses sincere fears about the proposed SE/SS Biafra, instead of carefully and honestly addressing his questions they resort to accusing him of being misled by Hausa-Yoruba divide and rule tactics thereby suggesting that the minority man has not a mind of his own to understand things by himself. And with that insult the man just walks away and resolves in his mind never to agree with them.

pazienza:
In response to the Middle Belters quest for their
own identity, the Core North has let them be. They
no longer call them their brothers.
Likewise the Yorubas who have left the Western
minorities of Edo Delta be, and no longer drag
them into the Yoruba brotherhood.
But Igbos have refused to let the Eastern Minorities
be despite all their struggle for their own separate
Identity. They derogatorily labell them as artificial
creation by Obasanjo wheras they (Igbos) joined
the North to vote in that same OBJ, any SS person
that expresses genuine misgivings about biafra
inclusion they demonize him, blackmail him with
claims of being used by Hausa-Fulani despite
themselves were the first Hausa-Fulani slaves in
Nigeria's history. Why can't they let Eastern
Minorities be? Why? Why? Why? Is brotherhood by
coersion or by consent?

Igbos never stopped the Ogonis, Ibibios, Efiks, Annangs, Ijaws, Ekoi, etc from being themselves.
We sure don't want to have anything to do with Edo. Igbanke, the only Igboid group in Edo state, is currently pushing for exit from you tribalistic bunch.

So, why exactly is an Edo like you shamelessly attaching to groups in SS you have no cultural or boundary relationship with? Why do you think you have more right in SS, a region you are merely an appendage to than an Ndoki/ Asa SEner from Abia state, whose Ndoki/Asa brothers who share contagious boundaries with them are natives of Oyigbo in Rivers state. An Egbema man in SE, whose Egbema brothers are in ONELGA Rivers, An Ogbaru/Onitsha/ Obosi man from SE whose brothers are in Enu-ani Delta state, an Oguta man whose brothers are in Ogume Delta state?

Do you see how your desire to forcefully attach to groups you share no cultural or traditional commonwealth with had blinded you?

Look at Igbo people indigenous to Cross Rivers state: https://www.nairaland.com/3425009/meet-isobos-igbo-speaking-tribe

You expect SE to not embrace them all so that your attache by force expansionism arse will be happy?
Lol! Cry more! Cos it won't happen.

All these are trash for the dustbin. All the SS tribes have warned you never to identify them as Biafrans. You are just flogging a dead horse. The Old Eastern Region is dead and buried.
A supposed majority latching onto minority tribes for relevance is a sign of defeat and irrelevance actually. You may even take away your Igboid groups from the SS, but leave the non-igboid alone to live their lives as they please. They are free to decide their destiny the same way you seek to define yours.

You claim Edo is a muslim state yet Ojukwu attacked it claiming he wanted to free the people from Islamic North. You wanted to free moslems from moslems? How silly you people are! Edo is a Northern State unrelated to SS people yet that was the first place Ojukwu invaded in his expansionist drive leaving univaded the places you claim are more closely related to Igbos. Were Igbos by that action not guiltier of forcefully attaching themselves to people with whom they were not realated in any way? Was that not the usual Igbo Stupidity and sense of poor judgement fueled by greed after other people' lands? And that exactly is what you have been manifesting here. South Beasts.

pazienza:
[b] http://www.newsexpressngr.com/news/5362-
Igboland-to-get-Islamic-University-to-be-located-
in-Afikpo-Ebonyi-State-Boasts-the-best-Islamic-
secondary-school-in-Nigeria
At this time that the wave of christian evangelism
is sweeping the other parts of the South there are
daily reported cases of free will conversion of
young Igbo boys and Girls to islam in Enugu,
Ebonyi, etc. Find it here: http://
www.nairaland.com/3163005/young-igbo-woman-
reportedly-converts
https://www.nairaland.com/2999326/islamization-
afikpo-igbos-80-percent
http://ukpuru.tumblr.com/post/114749550692/
muslim-festival-anohia-village-afikpo-igbo
That suggests that if Dan Fodio's had not been
halted at Auchi and therefore had been able to set
foot on Igbo land it would have been a walk over.
And this nonentity is here describing Edo as a
Northern state without any regard for the voluntary
islamization of Igboland or the pronounced upward
tilt of the coastline at the points exactly adjacent to
Edo. [/b]

Sensationalism report at best. The Muslim population in Afikpo are at best 2% of the population. Being a Muslim in Igboland is considered abominable, the person becomes a social reject and loses respect of the traditional Igbo society.

However, Igbos are tolerant people, so no one would kill anyone for being a Muslim.
By the way, establishing a Muslim school mean nothing there is a Muslim school in Uwani at the heart of Enugu South metropolis. Those schools are mainly for indigenous Muslim populations in the SE, the Igbo converts are few.

How exactly does this suggest that Dan fodio would have an easy ride in the thick jungles of SE? You are a bad comedian.

The Afikpo muslim population is growing everyday. You now claim it is just 2%, but you initially insinuated there was no indegenous muslem at all in Igbo land. So how do I believe you again on this?
I am still not surprised that you can't see how that suggests that Dan Fodio would have had an easy ride. I am used to your poor comprehension. Dan Fodio would not have had any resistance or even needed any force of arms in converting to islam a people who are in the 21st century willingly proselytizing themselves at a time other peoples are abandoning islam for Christianity even right in Sokoto the seat of the Caliphate where Dan Fodio rose from.
You claim islam in Igbo land is deemed abominable and that Igbos are tolerant of it. That sounds contradictory. Tolerance for abomination?

pazienza:
[b] The tropical rain forest, another feature of
southernness covers nearly 80% of Edo but is
totally absent in Enugu and Ebonyi which are in the
Guinea Savannah – a feature of Northernness.
If latitude were to really matter then the North
should be classifying Benue as too Southern
compared with other Northern states. Likewise the
arm of Kogi which extends deep down beside
Anambra should make Anambra too close to Kogi
to be in the South. Even the Igbos indigenous to
Benue State have become Hausa-Fulanis by your
silly Geographical location logic.
If not for deep seated envy arising from a sense of
loss and irrelevance why do Middle Easterners
always have sleepless nights over the composition
of the SS when their own Biafra cohesion is in a
sorry state courtesy of the rancor between
Nwazurike and Nnamdi kanu?
The practically yoruboid Itsekiris in Delta have no
cultural or historical ties with the Ogojas in C’River
any more than the Ogonis (of Ghanaian origin)
have with their contiguous ijaws yet they are both
in the SS, the Ijaws in Ondo State are not even in
the SS but that does not disqualify them from the
SS brotherhood, the Ebus in Delta (an Igala
offshoot) have no cultural ties with the Ibibios of
Akwa Ibom, yet they now see themselves as
brothers. The South-South unity and sense of
oneness is therefore founded not on cultural
similarity or geographical location but on a shared
objective of freedom from WAZOBIA oppression of
which Igbos are number one culprit.
The US is a country of extremely diverse peoples
totally unrelated by culture who have however
found a common identity through their shared
objective of a free society. That is the modern
trend, hence it is extremely primitive, blind, crude,
unenlightened, backward and bestial for anyone to
still be basing it on ethnic similarities or
intermarriage.
The SS has come to stay and there is absolutely
NOTHING you can ever in your miserable life do
about it. We have evolved our identity from the
ashes of WAZOBIA oppression. [/b]

Lol! SE is an entity, Imo and Abia are more Southern than any part of Edo will be, and are more tropical than any part of Edo, not that it matters.

No sensible Igbo have any problem with SS, we only scornful of those who hide behind the "We SS people" tag to claim parts of Igbo speaking people in current SS as part of their madness like you are currently doing.

Stick to Edo. Stop talking about relationship between Ijaw groups, or other groups( Ebus, Ogoni,Itsekiri, etc)tell me about relationships between Edo and groups in SS.

No evidence of Igbo marginalization of any of our non Igbo neighbors. But we know that Edo was a blood thirsty expansionism geared empire now reduced to minorities.

Ofcourse, SS has come to stay, and Edo will remain a minority amongst minorities there.

Edo is closer to the coast than any part of the Middle east. That you can't change. Edo has a direct sea port. The Middle East ca never have.
Guinea Savanna is a feature of Northernness and Enugu with Ebonyi fall wholly into it.

I have told you the relationships. Small groups in Edo North speak mutually intelligible languages with others in C'River. It is not as if all these similarities are even as important as the shared objective of freedom from WAZOBIA domination and oppression.
Youe are envious of Edo's glorious past. Stick to your Biafra and reconcile Kanu and Uwazurike first before talking of the unity of the SS.
You say no sensible Igbo man has any problem with the SS, yet you have been derogatorily calling the SS an artificial group which is not recognized in the constitution as if the constitution recognizes the Sad East. then you've indicted yourself as an Igbo man not sensible.

All SS people are minorities. There is no overwhelming majority, so we conduct our affairs democratically and based on issues as no single tribe has the advantage of numbers to ride it rough over others. Igbos don't like this at all. That you concern yourself more with the affairs of the SS than the SE means you find the SE inferior. Jonathan said it is a tree with ripe fruits that people throw stones at.
All the SS groups have unanimously told you in clear without equivocation that they are not part of you an will never be, but you have refused to listen, and like a stubborn fly hovers around an injury, you have continued to covet the SS.
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/11/biafra-count-us-out-s-south-tells-agitators/
http://crossriverwatch.com/2016/06/biafra-steer-clear-of-our-state-cross-river-youths-warn-ipob/
A people who pride themselves as great should not be seen gluing themselves to previously insignificant minorities. It is actually a testimonial of weakness.
I don't know weather it is the Yoruboid Itsekiris of Delta you want to share a joint country with despite labelling Yorubas traitors.
There was agression of Igbos against all southern minorities during the war.
http://saharareporters.com/2014/10/20/bayelsa-community-marks-day-resistance-against-biafran-soldiers-tife-owolabi
http://rethinkingbiafra..com.ng/2012/10/biafran-war-crimes-horror-in-midwest.
http://pointblanknews.com/pbn/articles-opinions/the-unknown-victims-ethnic-minorities-1967-1970/
https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=eYJtDgAAQBAJ&pg=PA128&lpg=PA128&dq=atrocities+of+Biafran+soldiers+in+Benin+city&source=bl&ots=AoyB3ktGaJ&sig=R0uvuJU3KLvF-EQifRWpgeDBjvM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjjlPaA1-_SAhWEOBQKHVFdCLsQ6AEIRzAJ#v=onepage&q=atrocities%20of%20Biafran%20soldiers%20in%20Benin%20city&f=false

pazienza:
[b] If not how come
an investigation into the time of his premiership
with Akintola as deputy indicted Awo but left
Akintola smelling of roses? Why was the same
probe not extended to Zik who was the first
Nigerian to be indicted of corruption by even the
colonial authorities over AfDB finances? The truth
was that all the players in the first republic namely,
Balewa, Ahmadu Bello, Awo, Akintola, Zik, Okpara,
Okotie-Eboh, Mbadiwe, etc were all corrupt. You
can get the facts here. http://www.mondaq.com/
Nigeria/x/490434/White+Collar+Crime+Fraud/The
+AntiCorruption+Legal+Framework+And+Its+Effect
and here http://
www.nigeriacommunicationsweek.com.ng/e-
business/fighting-corruption-a-war-for-all
Only Awo’s own was made an issue because of his
opposition to the Arewanistan-Biafra coalition.
And in any case the NEPU and NPC which Zik
teamed up with were both Core North-controlled
Islamist parties, while the UMBC which Awo
aligned with was a Middle-Belters’ party founded
and controlled by a Christian called Joseph Tarka.
Also Awolwo never sought alliance with both NCNC
and NPC at the same time. It was Akintola who,
entirely out of his own accord, went to Ahmadu
Bello to, in his capacity as the premier of Western
Region, negotiate. Recall that even before
independence Akintola, against Awolowo’s
disapproval for anything Islamist North, had
already been serving as a minister under Balewa’s
shadow regime which the colonial masters put in
place in 1957 preparatory to their final exit.
Akintola would later still visit Ahmadu Bello on the
eve of the January 15 coup to suggest they both
flee the country before the day of action which
Bello declined. [/b]


This is not about others! This is about Awolowo. Was Awolowo found guilty of financial misappropriation? Yes! Was he found guilty of treasonable felony? Yes!
So what else are we talking about? Are you saying because you think other politicians were dirty too, therefore Awolowo should have been spared from facing the full wrath of the law? Are you for real!

Of course, Awolowo political naivety exposed him to the law, his greed and lust for power alienated his scion Akintola who went and exposed all his shady deals to Tafawa Balewa, who then had to use them to catch Awolowo.
Between Awolowo corruption and his alienated political former son, Akintola, any neutral being would find the root of Awolowo misfortunes, but a bitter Igbophobic being is more interested in roping Zik and Ndiigbo in.

There was no telling if Akintola was acting on his own or for Awolowo, total avoidance of the situation was a pragmatic solution.

Awolowo had no problem working with the North, he worked perfectly with Gowon and was at the helm of the starvation policy to keep Nigeria one, the same country he labelled " Geographical expression" not long ago.

Before then it was public knowledge that Zik was indicted by the colonial authorities. But the Arewanistan-Biafra FG would not probe him too because he was their Man Friday.
So because Awolowo was dirty other politicians who even got dirty before him should have been let off the hook? Then why are Igbos accusing Buhari of selective anti-corruption war if we have to go by your logic? Then you people should stop calling for the prosecution of Amaechi, Fashola, Rochas, etc since they are part of the government of the day like Zik and Akintola were back then even though they were equally corrupt.
Awolwo worked with the North to teach Zik and Igbos a lesson on how bitter it could be for a Southerner to collude with the Northern establishment. Do me I do you, man no dey vex.
Had Awolowo been behind Akintola's visit to Balewa two things would have happened:
1. Ahmadu Bello, blunt as he was, would have later confronted Awolowo with the inconsistency while Awolowo was rejecting their offer from jail.
2. Akintola would not have later accused Awolowo of being responsible for Yoruba marginalization in the sharing of portfolios. He would have accepted that his alleged Yoruba marginalization was not caused by Awo.
But while the tussle lasted all Akintola kept harping on was that Awolwo's aversion to alliance with the North robbed the Yoruba nation of portfolios in the government, and that his democratic socialism would not work except the Yorubas aligned with the North to displace Igbos.

pazienza:
[b] Recall that it was at that point Zik sent Okpara to
Ibadan to mend fences with AG through his wife
who really forgave Zik and Okpara. And that was
where Awo made mistakes because Zik later still
abandoned them in UPGA to accept appointment
again in the NNA of Akintola-Balewa. If I were in
Awo’s shoes I would have accepted Balewa’ offer,
come out of prison, aligned AG with NPC, accept a
position and with Zik out in the cold, proceed to
deal with him too, Akintola, and Okpara with the
same Bello and Balewa behind me. I would not
mind if the coup plotters later killed me too.
Now the question is, if Awo did double faced
dealing, why would Zik later seek refuge politically
with him and his party when he was being
pummeled by the NPC?
As for the bolded: Funny enough, Zik, who
according to you, decided to later align with Awo
for beliving that Awo would not leave him in the
lurch this rime around, was the one who ended up
leaving Awo in the lurch once more to join the NNA
again. See your puerile logic?
Another illogicality of this claim is that Zik
eventually decided to strike a deal with a man
whom his (ZIK's) own government had already
convicted for "corruption" and was even already
serving the jail term. Why align with a criminal if
he himself was not a bigger one? Does that portray
Zik as a man with a sound sense of judgement or
as a shameless desperado who could condescend
to any level in pursuit of any ambition? [/b]

How exactly did Zik abandon UPGA? Was NCNC not behind AG in Western regional legislative election of Nov 1965?

Ofcourse, Zik knew that alliance with Awolowo was safe in 1964. Seeing as Akintola had dealt Awolowo political career a fatal blow. With Akintola( Yet a Yoruba- Arewa alliance) already aligned with Balewa in NPC, Awolowo never had the option of any possible alliance with Balewa, Zik knew that alliance with Awolowo then was safe. Awo had no options, Zik calculatons were spot on.

It would appear Zik would always be criticized and questioned by It Igbophobic entities, regardless of his alliance or non alliance with Awolowo, if he is now being questioned for aligning with a convicted Awolowo.

You have never read that Zik later went to join NNA after the 1965 elections were badly rigged against UPGA and the results declared and accepted by Akintola?
The Akintola-Balewa alliance did not pass for a Yoruba-Arewa alliance because majority of Yorubas rejected it and pressed their rejection home with massive riots which took the lives of Akintola's supporters. But the Zk-Balewa alliance was endorsed by Igbos as there were not even public condemnations of it from the East.
After the rigging of the 1962 censuses against the South, Zik had already abandoned Balewa to start seeking ways of teaming up with AG to fight back. In fact Okpara and Okotie-Eboh, from whose eyes the scales had begun to fall, had started warning Zik to retrace his steps from the side of Northerners. Only Akintola was therefore left in the web. With the East gone from him, Balewa knew very well that his alliance with Akintola alone would not get him votes from the West except by massive rigging which he on his own would not want to do. The only option left was a genuine Yoruba-Arewa alliance defined by Awolowo's involvement which Awolowo however declined. So with that scenario Awolowo's career was still very intact if he had wanted to be as unprincipled as Zik.
Of course Zik had to be so questioned. A principled politician would not have sought a deal with another politician convicted by a government which he was part of. That meant he knew the conviction was politically motivated from the beginning.

pazienza:
Charles Onyeama speech had been quoted out of context.
Domination in that context meant "out competition" in a meritorious manner.
Without Quota system in place, Igbos will always dominate most sectors in the country and that was what Onyeama spoke of. The Yorubas closer to Lagos and received the Western education first, yet Igbos closed the gap fast and furious and were set to "Dominate" the the sector.
I think this is more of understanding than anything else.
If Igbos want to dominate any sector of the country, as long as they were going to do it purely on merit, then it is fair, the onus was on others to up their competition and not to feel the need to pull the Igbo man down.

Charles Onyeama speech was harmless and was only spurring Ndiigbo to up their efforts so as to dominate.
He wasn't stopping other groups from upping their efforts to dominate.

Either way,Onyeama wasn't Zik, Your attempt at pinning him on Zik is rather diabolical, and he was not preaching hate message against any Nigerian group.
There was no evidence whatsoever on ground that Ndiigbo controlled anything in then Nigeria through coercion over other groups other than through merits.
The Willink commission report more than emphasized this. http://scannewsnigeria.com/news/willink-report-1958-the-following-are-excerpts-from-a-the-report-of-the-commission-appointed-to-enquire-into-the-fears-of-minorities-and-the-means-of-allaying-them-otherwise-known-a/

Igbo domination was always merit based.

All great nations feel superior to the neighbors, as long as such superiority is pursued through meritorious means, the neighbors are only required to up their effort to keep in touch!
Awolowo and the rest of Nigeria were more interested in cutting the Igbo wings, than growing their own wings to meet the Igbos on the sky.
Awolowo made hate speeches towards the Igbo.
Likewise Akintola and Saraduna:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y1Zpk4DrlA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk83xIRwI2o

This inquiry was carried out in 1958 but Onyeama made his threat in 1945. Had he made his own declaration after the publication of that report it might have been understandable that he has thereafter always been quoted out of the context of that report. But he made his declaration 13 whooping years before the inquiry and its report were ever made. So other than an oppressive mindset, there was really no existing background context out of which he was quoted.

As for Ahmadu Bello: before then Northerners had never really hidden their fear of the dynamism of southerners generally and irreconciliable cultural and religious differences between the North and South, so they asked for secession but were disparaged by Igbos. Of course that appeared to them like Igbos had an ulterior motive for wanting to stick to a people who did not want them and other southerners generally. And they had the right to see it that way. So they chose Ahmadu Bello to protect them from the Igbos who were not only trying to stick to them unjustly but would as well not allow them exit the union to safety from unwanted competition that might possibly result in the pollution of their cherished culture and religion. Remember we've agreed that any people have the God-given right to seek a separate existence for any reason whatsoever. Thus they had to elect Ahmadu Bello to protect them from Igbos which he did for them perfectly. In the interview I hear Ahmadu Bello ask whether any of the numerous school leavers of Northern origin were being appointed into Southern parastatals and the answer was a big no. So it was a two way guilt.
I don't understand Yoruba hence I can't comment on Akintola video.

pazienza:
[b] Your claim that there was no retaliation on Ziks
part is yet another face saving volte face from my
poser challenging you on the propriety of Zik’s
decision to seek vengeance through a means which
collateralized the future liberty and lives of
innocent Southerners:
3. Hear yourself initially:
“Lol! After Awolowo introduction of tribal politics in
the 1951 Western region election to win the region
for his AG, what option exactly did he leave for
NCNC but to align with the North.
And moreover, while NCNC aligned with NEPU, AG
was also aligned with UMBC, both NEPU and
UMBC being the minority parties in the North.
The circumstances behind the aligning of NCNC
with NPC was hinged on Awo's treachery where he
wanted to play Zik a fool, but was instead
checkmated by Zik who left him in the lurch. Awo
would later play the same game successfully
against Ojukwu. For while Awo was posturing as a
middle man in search of alliance with the East, he
was also searching for a possible alliance with the
North.”
The above by you obviously suggested that Zik’s
decision to team up with the NPC was inspired by
a quest for vengeance. But now you changed tune.
Awo’s persecution was political. [/b]

There was nothing like minority North. It was always one North. Gowon was also a minority Northerner.

In the context of events, both UMBC and NEPU were the opposition parties to NPC in the North. Your idea of watering down that fact behind Northern minority veneer is funny. Awolowo teamed up with a Northern opposition party called UMBC, Zik teamed up with another Northern opposition party called NEPU, that was the situation of things.

There was no vendetta on part of Zik towards awolowo, it was more of self preservation, no one wants to be dealing with a person of questionable loyalty.

Why are you this dishonest? The claim that UMBC was a minority party came from you not me. I only quoted you and supplied my counter arguement. Please re-read your comment and see the quotation marks I placed around the statement in reference to it as a claim by your very self. So why deny what you earlier said and trying to make it look like it came from me? What I said was that UMBC was a party founded and run by a Christian Joseph Tarka which made Awo's decision protective of the South as christianity would not inspire feudalist tendencies, while Zik first aligned with NEPU (a party founded and run by a moslem) and later on went into a greater alliance with NPC the bigger and even more islamist party of Feudalists.
It is necessary to state here that if NEPU were genuinely an opposition party to NPC in the North, then it should have pulled out of the its alliance with NCNC immediately Zik decided to go with NPC. But it didn't.
Please stick to your claims!

Deadlytruth:
The Truth Of The Western Region Assembly Cross-carpeting Accusation.

First Nigeria Regional Elections:
Western Nigeria 1951 Elections
Matthew Mbu and history:
Ambassador Mathew Mbu is a well-
respected Nigerian. But in this piece,
veteran journalist, Mr Felix Adenaike
challenges some of his claims about
Nigeria's past 'Falsehood may have
its hour, but it has no future' -
Francois D. Pressense
In what seemed his 48th
independence anniversary gift to
Nigerians, Dr. Matthew Tawo Mbu,
politician, lawyer and diplomat, gave
The Nation an interview run in its
October 1 edition addressing some
political issues in Nigeria of which he
had been a key player. Among
others, he spoke on the Western
Nigeria election held in 1951, two
generations ago, and repeated the
claim of the National Council of
Nigeria and the Cameroon (NCNC)
that it won that poll, but had been
robbed of victory. Then as now, Dr.
Mbu did not provide any evidence to
substantiate the NCNC claim.
Dr. Mbu said of that election held on
24 September 1951 that: "Dr.
Nnamdi Azikiwe was betrayed by the
Western Region of Nigeria, not by
the electorate, but by the leaders.
The NCNC won the election against
the Action Group (led by Chief
Obafemi Awolowo), but the Action
Group introduced what was
unknown to Nigerian history",
namely, "carpet crossing. They
Action Group bought members of
the NCNC to join the Action Group
after these people had won election
on the platform of the NCNC. Zik, the
leader of a majority party in the
Western Region became the Leader
of Opposition overnight".
Reminded by the interviewer that the
late Chief AMA Akinloye had
maintained in his lifetime that he
and his group had contested the
election on a neutral platform from
the NCNC, Dr. Mbu said: "That is his
version. He is entitled to say what he
wants to say. I don't want to say ill of
the dead. He knew he was NCNC and
his group was NCNC. Adelabu
remained NCNC. He stuck on to
NCNC till he died".
The late Dr. Kingsley Ozumba
Mbadiwe said in his autobiography,
Rebirth of a nation, among others
that: "But in pursuance of the policy
of creating a political climate healthy
enough to make one a citizen
wherever he lived, Dr. Azikiwe
contested and won the general
elections in 1951 into the Western
House of Assembly. To stultify this
policy of one Nigeria in favour of his
tribally-based philosophy, Chief
Awolowo got some elected members
to cross carpet from the NCNC to his
AG side. Zik the victor lost. And
Awolowo's party was able to form the
government of the Western Region."
At a news conference in Lagos on 20
September 1989, more than two
years after Chief Awolowo's death,
Dr. Mbadiwe returned to the topic
saying: "Dr. Azikiwe and his party
won the majority of seats in the
Western House of Assembly. He was
due to be elected the Leader of
Government Business, when
overnight, the Action Group
introduced the notorious carpet-
crossing. By this manipulation,
members who won under the NCNC
crossed over to the Action Group
building it to become the majority
party in the West. As a result of this,
Chief Awolowo was elected Leader of
Government Business and Dr.
Azikiwe had to resign."
Neither Dr. Mbu nor Dr. Mbadiwe
named the members of the NCNC
who contested the election on the
party's platform and later joined the
Action Group to enable Chief
Awolowo form the government to
the exclusion of Dr. Azikiwe. These
are weighty allegations such that
they would have assisted their
readers to clear the issues rather just
repeat their own version of the
events at that time in the hope that
such repetition would turn
falsehood into facts.
To avert conflicting claims over
candidates, Mr. Harold Cooper, the
Government Public Relations Officer,
wrote to the parties to furnish a list
of the candidates contesting election
on their platforms. Only the Action
Group complied with this request
and its list of candidates was as
follows:
1. Ijebu Remo Division - Obafemi Awolowo and M.S. Sowole;
2. Ijebu Ode Division - S.O. Awokoya,
Rev. S.A. Banjo and V.D. Phillips;
3. Oyo Division - Chief Bode Thomas,
Abiodun Akerele, A.B.P. Martins, T.A.
Amao and SB Eyitayo;
4. Osun Division - SL Akintola, JO. Adigun, JO Oroge, S.I. Ogunwale, I.A. Adejare, J.A.
Ogunmuyiwa and S.O. Ola;
5. Ondo Division - P.A. Ladapo and G.A. Deko;
6. Okitipupa Division - Dr. L.B. Lebi, CA
Tewe and SO Tubo;
7. Epe Division - SL Edu, AB Gbajumo, Obafemi Ajayi and
C.A. Williams;
8. Ikeja Division - O. Akeredolu-Ale, SO Gbadamosi and FO
Okuntola;
9. Badagry Division - Chief
CD Akran, Akinyemi Amosu and Rev.
GM Fisher;
10. Egba Division - J.F.
Odunjo, Alhaji A.T. Ahmed, CPA Cole,
Rev S.A. Daramola, Akintoye Tejuoso,
SB Sobande, IO Delano and A
Adedamola.
The others were as follows:
11. Egbado Division - J.A.O. Odebiyi, D.A.
Fafunmi, Adebiyi Adejumo, A. Akin
Illo and P.O. Otegbeye;
12. Ife Division -
Rev S.A. Adeyefa, D.A. Ademiluyi, J.O.
Opadina, and S.O. Olagbaju;
13. Ekiti Division - E.A. Babalola, Rev. J Ade
Ajayi, S.K. Familoni, S.A. Okeya and D
Atolagbe;
14. Owo Division - Michael
Adekunle Ajasin, A.O. Ogedengbe, JA
Agunloye, LO Omojola and R.A.
Olusa;
15. Western Ijaw Division - Pere
EH Sapre-Obi and MF Agidee;
16. Ishan Division - Anthony Enahoro;
17. Urhobo Division - WE Mowarin, J.B. Ohwinbiri
and JD Ifode;
18.Warri Division - Arthur
Prest and O. Otere, and
19. Kukuruku Division - D.J.I. Igenuma.
Of the names on the list, only MA
Ajasin from Owo Division, which
comprised Akoko then, did not run
because of party solidarity and unity
in Owo. He stood down for A.O.
Ogedengbe and R.A. Olusa to contest
two of the three seats, which they
won, while D.K. Olumofin won the
third for the NCNC.
Three secretaries of the Action Group, who ran as independents and won were:
1. Egba Division- Alhaji D.S. Adegbenro
2. Ekiti Division - J.O. Osuntokun, and
3. Epe Division - S.O. Hassan.
At the close of polls on 24 September
1951, the Action Group had won 38
of the 72 seats in contention out of the total of 80 in the Regional Assembly. The shortfall was due to the fact that elections had been postponed in Lagos and Benin due to security concerns. Lagos had five seats in the West Regional Assembly all later won by the NCNC in the election of 20 November 1951, while Benin had three all later won by Otu Edo candidates in the election of 6 December 1951.
Of the 68 candidates on the list furnished by the Action Group to the Government PR
Department, 38 of the elected AG
members were from that list, and were as follows:
1. Ijebu Remo - Obafemi Awolowo and M.S. Sowole;
2. Ijebu Ode - Rev. SA Banjo and S.O. Awokoya;
3. Oyo - Bode Thomas,
Abiodun Akerele, ABP Thomas, TA Amao and SB Eyitayo;
4. Osun - S.L. Akintola, J.O. Adigun, JA Oroge, S.I. Ogunwale, I.A. Adejare, J.A.
Ogunmuyiwa and S.O. Ola.
Other elected AG members from the
list were:
5. Egba - J.F. Odunjo, Alhaji
AT Ahmed, Rev. S.A. Daramola and
Prince Adedamola;
6. Egbado (now Yewa) - J.A.O. Odebiyi, D.A. Fafunmi and A. Akin Illo;
7. Ekiti - E.A. Babalola
and Rev. J. Ade-Ajayi; Badagry - Chief
CD Akran and Rev. G.M. Fisher;
8. Ikeja - SO Gbadamosi and O Akeredolu-
Ale;
9. Ife - Rev. SA Adeyefa and SO Olagbaju;
10. Owo - AO Ogedengbe and RA Olusa;
11. Epe - Safi Lawal Edu;
12. Okitipupa - C.A. Tewe;
13. Western Ijaw - M.F. Agidee;
14. Ishan - Anthony Enahoro, and
15. Warri - Arthur Prest.
In addition to the Action Group and
the NCNC, there were local/divisional
parties such as the Ibadan People's
Party (IPP), led by Chief AMA
Akinloye; Ondo Improvement
League, and Otu Edo of Benin. At the
end of poll, the standing of the
parties was as follows:
1. Action Group - 38;
2. NCNC and its loyal Independents - 25;
3. IPP - 6
4. Ondo Improvement League - 2.
5. Otu Edo candidates won the three
Benin seats, namely, Chief SO
Ighodaro, Chief Humphrey Omo-
Osagie and Chief Chike Ekwuyasi.
Chief Ighodaro opted for the AG,
while the latter two went to the
NCNC. And of the six IPP elected
members, only Adegoke Adelabu
joined the NCNC. The rest of them:
AMA Akinloye, Chief DT Akinbiyi
(who later became the Olubadan of
Ibadan), Chief SO Lanlehin,
Moyosore Aboderin and SA
Akinyemi, opted for the Action
Group. The NCNC National Secretary,
the late Chief Kola Balogun had sent
declaration forms to the IPP
assemblymen asking them to declare
for the NCNC but Chief Akinloye
returned all the forms uncompleted.
The three AG secretaries who had
run as independents - Adegbenro,
Osuntokun and Hassan, five IPP
members, one Etu Edo, and one
Ondo Improvement League, Chief
F.O. Awosika; and Chief Timothy
Adeola Odutola (Independent, Ijebu
Ode) had swollen the number of the
AG elected members. All the
transactions had taken place before
the inauguration of the Regional
Assembly on 7 January 1952. These
were not known members of the
NCNC, nor did the party publish their
names on the list of its candidates,
but claimed them as its "members,
supporters or sympathisers",
according to inimitable Zik in his My
Odyssey, " It takes more than
speculation to claim a person as a
member of your political party". You
cannot just be under the
"impression" as Zik had claimed that
they were and go ahead to field them
as electoral candidates.
For over a
half century, the NCNC is yet to
provide evidence to back its claim
that it had won the West Regional
election in 1951.
Mr Cooper absolved his department
of responsibility for the controversy
generated by the NCNC after the
election. At a post election news
conference in Lagos he said that "Of
the winning candidates, the names
of 38 were on the list sent to me by
the Action Group. The six successful
candidates at Ibadan were all among
those who had been identified to me
as representing the Ibadan People's
Party. No claim of any kind had
reached us about the party affiliation
of the remaining successful
candidates." Why did the NCNC not
send a list of its candidates for the
poll to the Government PR
Department before that poll? And
why have Dr. Mbu and the others not
published the list of NCNC
candidates to substantiate their
electoral victory claim in over 50
years but merely kept reaping false
claims? The records of the poll
conducted in the West and all over
Nigeria by the colonial administration are available at the National Archives and can be accessed by any honest researcher.
In this matter, it is facts that speak,
not what some political/ethnic
partisan said or did not say.
Dr Azikiwe's frustration was not only
in losing the regional election, he
also lost the election to the House of
Representatives held on 10 January
1951 at the House of Assembly, Ibadan, among NCNC members. The total tally for the 1951 poll in the 80 member Western Regional Assembly was as follows:
1. Action Group - 38;
2. Independent/AG - 15;
3. NCNC - 24;
4. Independent/NCNC - 3.
Three
members of the NCNC who had been
elected to the House changed party
allegiance that day ahead of the
House of Representatives vote. They
were: Chief SY Kesington-Momoh, JG
Ako, and Awodi Orisaremi, from
Urhobo and Kukuruku Divisions.
They were running for the House of
Representatives and wanted Action
Group votes. Kesington-Momoh and
Ako were elected, but Orisaremi went
back to the NCNC. That was all the
carpet-crossing that took place on 10
January 1952, namely, three at first
to the AG and one back to the NCNC.
From the vote tally, it is clear that the
NCNC and the Independent /NCNC
totalling 27 seats altogether out of
80 seats could not have formed the
Government of Western Nigeria.
Even if the local/divisional parties
had chosen the NCNC, it would still
be some seats short of 41 required to
form the government. The Action
Group won 38 seats; its independent
candidates - Adegbenro, Osuntokun,
Hassan and Odutola won four seats
making a total of 42 seats. The AG
could have formed the government
without the support of the other
small parties. It did not have to
"bribe" anybody to join it to form the
government. Since politics is a game
of number, only few principled
politicians would not be disposed to
joining the winning party, in this
case, the AG.
Dr. Mbadiwe also claimed in his
book: "Successful NCNC men who
were not Yoruba were scared away.
Dr. Azikiwe who won a seat to the
Western House (of) Assembly from a
Lagos constituency decided to resign.
Since membership of the House of
Representatives was by an electoral
college in the regional house, no
NCNC from the West came to the
House of Representatives in Lagos".
This is blatantly false. Zik resigned
because he lost election to the
federal house from the West, while
Prince Adeleke Adedoyin, Dr. Ibiyinka
Olorun-Nimbe, Chief Frank Oputa-
Otutu, Chief Denis Osadebey and Sir
Odeleye Fadahunsi were elected
from Ibadan to Lagos. Who ever
scared non-Yoruba NCNC people
from the West? Chief Denis
Osadebey succeeded Adegoke
Adelabu as Opposition Leader in the
West and the likes of Humphrey
Omo-Osagie, Festus Okotie-Eboh,
Chike Ekwuyasi, Fidelis H Utomi, Obi
Osagie, Yamu Numa, GO Oweh and
GB Ometan were non-Yoruba NCNC
in that Assembly.
As Mme De Stael says: The "search
for the truth is the noblest
occupation of man; its publication is
a duty". Dr. Mbu and his political
entourage have chosen their own
side of history. It remains to be seen
whether or not history will absolve
them. Their contemporary audience
is composed of intelligent people
who will search after the truth
without inheriting the political
prejudice and stereotype of their
lying grand-parents. That is the way
ahead for Nigeria. And "the greatest
friend of truth is time; her greatest
enemy is prejudice". - CC Calton

I still await your response to this. Please don't "forget". Thanks.

pazienza:
Maybe, Edos,Yorubas and Arewa should have known that Ndiigbo shared no direct boundaries with them before they ganged up and invaded our lands in Biafra to commit war crimes.

Isn't it. Ironic that a people who committed so much against Igboland and her people and show no remorse are accusing Ndiigbo of hate?

(1) "Among the large majority hailing from that
tribe (Yorubas) who are most vocal in inciting the
complete extermination of the Ibos, I often heard
remarks that all Nigeria s ills will be cured once
the Ibos have been removed ..." Dr Conor Cruise
O'Bien (21 December, 1967, New York review).

It’s (mass starvation) is a legitimate aspect of war,
" Anthony Enahoro, Nigerian Commissioner for
Information at a press conference in (New York,
July 1968)
"Starvation is a legitimate weapon of war, and we
have every intention of using it against the rebels, "
Mr Alison Ayida, Head of Nigerian Delegation,
Niamey Peace Talks, Republic of Niger, July 1968)
"


"Bestialities and indignities of all kinds were
visited on Biafrans in 1966. In Ikeja Barracks
(Western Nigeria) Biafrans were forcibly fed on a
mixture of human urine and faeces. In Northern
Nigeria numerous Biafran house-wives and nursing
mothers were despoiled before their husbands and
children. Young girls were abducted from their
homes, working places and schools and forced
into sexual intercourse with sick, demented and
leprous men".
Mr. Eric Spiff (German War correspondence
Eyewitness, 1967

And we still have U tube video of Igbophobic utterances of Yoruba and Arewa leaders before 1967, we also have Oba Akenzua infamous article about Ndiigbo in 1965.
Yet other than group pride or self praise, we can't find any Igbo hate message or actions towards these people pre 1965 or the war proper.

The so called Igbo hate today towards these Igbophobic entities and persons, are direct reactions of Ndiigbo to barrages of Igbophobia emanating from those quarters. Our fore runners ignored those hate messages and actions, the present Igbo youthful generation will not. We will return your Igbophobia back to you with 10 times more hate than you directed at us.




Atleast our hates against each other wasn't as bad as those Yorubas had for each other that led to all of them killing each other in Kiriji wrestling matches called "war".
Anambra and Imo despise each other in your dreams, just keep dreaming.
Osu culture is not widespread all over Igboland. It's not practiced in many parts of Igboland and it had since been phased out. The culture and logic behind it isn't one to be understood using today's ideals.


Lol! Even Germany was divided into East Germany and West Germany by allied forces, with Each part
of Germany being ideologically parallel to Each other. A price the Germans had to pay for losing the WW2.

The division in Igboland today between SE Igbos and the SS ones is a fall out of Igbos losing the civil war, and was encouraged by the FG as part of its post civil war policy of balkanizing Igboland to prevent future insurrection.

But like East and West Germany one day United, so shall the entire Igbo speaking people and that day is already coming, many persons from those groups are beginning to ask hard questions, Uche Okwukwu, an Ikwerre man is the current Secretary of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo, the admin of Proudly Anioma, Proudly Igbo Facebook page is an Ukwuani son, The foremost Igboist and historian, Osita Mordi is an Ika man, so better savor this division while you can, the veil of division you placed is currently wearing thin.

NB. Enu-ani share direct boundary with Edo state.

Was Igbo collusion with the North to jail Enahoro, Awolowo, etc not worse than hate speeches? Actions speak louders than words. Were you expecting Oba Akenzua to send thank you cards and gifts to Igbos in 1965 while seeing his brother Enahoro languishing do death in jail courtesy of Zik's subservience to Arewa people? Only Igbos live in glass houses and yet throw stones. They give others blows but when the blows are returned they complain it was disproportionate. They colluded with the North to hound Middle Belters and fellow Southerners, and when the opportunity came those Southerners too teamed up together with the Middle Belt to pay them back, but they began to cry victimization. Hypocrites!

Those who murdered sleep are now looking for sleep.
We were on our own in Benin when you attacked us in addition to having colluded with the Arewa, your friends, to jail our leader and representative. Were we wrong to have defended ourselves? You had problem with Arewa but invaded Edo. If not for mere expansionism drive, why could you not just use Benin for the mere purpose of transit on your way to Lagos in your quest to dislodge Gowon? Was Gowon's office in Osadebey House, Benin? Did Edo people stop you from just transiting through Benin to warrant cracking down on them as retaliation?
If you had resisted the expansionist temptation to stop over and occupy Benin you would have arrived Lagos on time and caught Gowon relatively unprepared to launch any meaningful reprisal. But the usual Igbo greed which inspires the pursuit of numerous rats simultaneously led to catastrophic defeat with innocent lives lost.

DocHMD:
Where is the slamming? You think Pazienza is your fellow deluded illiterate you can push around? You never jam!

The same person who regurgiated the cross-carpeting saga propaganda but till now has not been able to respond to the details I posted about the truth of the matter?
You are as empty as himself. The deep calleth onto the deep, and the shallow onto the shallow.

blues2022:
@ the bold, are you not contradicting yourself? If the Ijaws in Ondo, that is a south west state, has natural ties with their south south counterpart, as you claimed, will it not be against logic to speak against the affinity that south east Igbos share with their south south brethren?

Who is denying the Igbo brotherhood with the SS igboid? It is up to them to decide. And I have seen SS Igboids deny SE affinity. The threads are all over here on NL. But I am yet to see an Ondo Ijaw deny his affinity with the SS Ijaws or vice versa.

pazienza:
Did Zik and Nwobodo stand on Ambrose Alli path towards establishing the University?

Yes, the Ekweme who stood on our way did that on behalf of the Zik and Igbos who gave him to NPN as a bargain.

pazienza:
From the party being an Igbo- Arewa party to Igbos being the stepping stones to power. You really ought to keep your absurd stories straight!

When and how was Ekwueme swept off with Cash by IBB?
Igbos were VPs for Awolowo and Shagari in the 1979, and Zik was also running for the presidency, it's called spreading your tent wide!

PDP was the ruling party throughout the Nine states of the old Eastern region. Both the Igbo and non Igbo parts with GEJ emerging the VP in 2007, yet we are supposed to believe the party was an Igbo- Arewa alliance? The same party that OBJ controlled its rigging machinery in his famous "do or die" politics between 1999- 2007, that seized the entire SW from AD, barring Lagos, with strong Yoruba men like Adedibu holding forth in the SW axis?

You need help.

And how exactly did Edos treat Enahoro and Akenzua that both had their heads up Gowon's arse? Right, they made one of them the Oba of Bini later.

Okorocha has been criticized by Ndiigbo, even termed OkoroAwusa and Ngige political career took a tumble ever since he started identifying with APC and it's roots.

You know nothing about the Igbo politics.

Poor comprehension again. Being an Arewa-Biafra party does not obliterate the fact that the Igbos were always the junior slave partners used to do dirty jobs and later dumped. It happened in the first Republic. It was almost happening in the second republic before Buhari swept all that away. It happened again in PDP when Igbos were dumped after being used by Arewa to endorse OBJ their trusted lackey. Remember OBJ later described as “gentleman’s agreement” the promise to give Igbos the 2003 PDP ticket?
Yes Igbo sons were VPs for both Awo and Shagari while Zik ran for presidency, but Igbos voted for the Arewa-Biafra combination which the Shagari-Ekweme ticket represented.
OBJ was never truly representative of Yoruba interest. In fact his anti-Yoruba disposition endeared him to Northerners. Whichever Southerner hates his own people and is always ready to displease them, such the North falls in love with. Examples are Azikiwe, OBJ, Anenih, etc.
You claim PDP was a national party yet through its 16 year reign Igbos were sidelined all through as per the presidential or VP ticket. Is that a suggestion that Igbos are not part of the nation? After accepting 16 year discrimination as a nationalistic trend tomorrow you’ll complain of marginalization and expect anyone to take you seriously. Ride on!
Enahoro and Akenzua protected us during the war, and till today we honour them.
Okorocha’s political career tumbled on identifying with APC yet he won re-election post merger of his APGA faction with APC. Chai! Chai! Chaaaaaaaiiiiiiii……! What happened to logical reasoning based on chronology?
To a very large extent Jonathan’s presidency was accidental. We SS people accept it. We don’t lie and beat our chests like Igbos. Unfortunately GEJ was not the best the SS could offer as he too on adopting the name “Azikiwe” became a misadventuring “One-Nigerianist” struggling to please the Feudalist North to the detriment of the entire South and Middle belt which gave him bloc votes in 2011. We would have preferred Donald Duke.
Do Igbos even have any politics for anyone to know let alone understand? A people who termed APC a party of the devil and in just less than 15 months all their frontline politicians (Nwobodo, Nnamani, Andy Uba, Kalu, Ekwunife, etc) later began trooping into it thus leaving the SS in the lurch? What politics do such people have? I know you’ll soon come and disown these guys as Yorubas and Fulanis whose ancestors migrated into Alaigbo and intermarried as far back as 1500 AD.

pazienza:
I could not for the life of me, make any sense of the above ramblings. You appear to be living in a world of your own.

Zik had the right to contest for elections at any part of the country. Why he chose Lagos and what he had to offer are simply irrelevant questions. He had the right as a citizen and resident of the Western region and exercised them.

What exactly did you smoke? The Eastern region was created by Bernard Bourdlion in 1938, the almagation of the North and Southern Nigeria took place in 1914, hope you saw the difference in the timeline?

How exactly did Awolowo fought for re inclusion of Kwara into Western region? By playing along with Gowon and advising the dissolution of the regions into dysfunctional states in futile attempt at creating ripples in Biafra?

Fulani man was elected the Mayor of Enugu by the Enugu city council and not by Zik, because he resided in Enugu and was involved in the politics of the region. Zik was a Lagos resident and deeply involved in the politics of the region, do the maths.

7. I would not expect you to make any sense out of it. We are talking of moral propriety and this fraud is talking of constitutionalism as if the constitution back then was drafted and agreed upon by Nigerians themselves. The same people who base their call for secession on the fact that Nigeria’s constitution was a British document are here again justifying their own brothers political misadventure on that very fraudulent British constitution. Never able to maintain a single line of argument. The only consistent thing about them is inconsistency. If constitutionalism confers rightness on anything then the 13% derivation, the crackdown on Ipob protesters, etc are all morally right since they are all allowed by the constitution.
If not for your abysmal comprehension ability you would have known that after amalgamation the areas of Benue and Taraba, collective called Munchi back then, still remained in the Southern Region till the early fifties when they were excised into the Northern Region – the same time Zik was away in Ibadan fooling himself.
Awolowo’s irredentism predated Gowon’s era. Go and read his book titled “Path to Nigeria’s Freedom”.

pazienza:
There is no ambiguity or illogicality on the ASUTECH establishment date on ESUT website. The site unequivocally stated that the school was established in 1981 as the first state University in Nigeria.
Here is the link again: http://www.esut.edu.ng/

And you have been turning logic on its head just to pin your miseries on Igbo persons( Ekwueme, Ironsi, Zik, Ojukwu) and Igbo people in general.

6. Are ambiguity and illogicality synonymous? The contents of the website you referenced failed chronological logic. How could a school be founded in 1980 yet established in 1979? Human’s prepare websites and are not infallible. It is like agreeing that 1 + 2 equals 7 just because a website says so despite actually knowing that the answer is three. Biafra education!

pazienza:
[b] The difference between Zik's and Igbos' initial
derive to preserve Nigeria and that of the Scottish
King's drive to preserve Britain was that while
those who initially sought to preserve Britain did so
based on genuine on-ground evidence of hopes as
to the workability of UK, Zik and Igbos sought to
preserve Nigeria right in the face of preponderance
of evidence to Nigeria's non-workability. Secondly,
despite how genuinely hopeful they were of its
workabiltiy, the founders of UK unanimously
allowed for a constitutional provision for exit just
in case of later dissatisfaction in any quarters. But
in Nigeria Zik and Igbos made demons out of those
who moved motions for such exit provisions, with
Ironsi and Ojukwu later promulgating Anti-
secession Decree. Ojukwu nearly killed Isaac Boro
for daring to pull out of Nigeria. Ironically the
same Ojukwu in less than 15 months later declared
to pull out of the same Nigeria? What really
changed other than power possession which
slipped off Igbos' hands on account of Ironsi's
ouster? Suffice it to say therefore that had power
remained in the hands of Middle Easterners they
would never have later come to find Nigeria
distasteful, thus secessionist movements would
have been alien to them. This is why anyone who
compares UK with Nigeria is an uninformed victim
of moronic plague.
Those who deny others freedom don't deserve it
themselves.......... Abraham Lincoln. [/b]


There is nothing whatsoever to show that Zik desire to preserve one Nigeria wasn't based on blind patriotism and pan Africanism. He was born in the North, lived in the West and originated from the East. He genuinely saw Nigeria as one entity.
Nothing on ground showed that Nigeria was beyond salvaging in the years pre Civil war.

Nope. Non of the 21 articles of the treaty of union in 1707 made mention of secession clause.

Which was why the Scottish parliament propounded the Scottish independence referendums Bill in 2013.
Which England endorsed. The laws are made for men, not men for the law.

Also, there was no secession clause in the formation of malay federation, yet it never stopped Singapore from leaving the federation.
Look at what Lord Lansdowne had to say on the secession clause ish:

“… any State voluntarily entering a federation had
an intrinsic right to secede at will, and that it was,
therefore, unnecessary to include it in the
Constitution.”
~ Lord Lansdowne

So this secession clause blackmail by Edo and Yoruba Igbophobic beings aimed at blackmailing Ndiigbo into a failed Colonial union is a non starter.

Zik never made demons out of Awo or the North that wanted secession clause inserted then, he simply was a better intellectual and presented a better argument for unity of the union. Nevertheless, he was only one person with no army to command, nothing stopped Awolowo or the North from secession, I mean, who would have held them back?

Ironsi and Ojukwu protected the integrity of the Eastern region. Adaka Boro was not asking for referendum, he was asking for outright secession with his band of freedom fighters, at a time leaders of Ijaw like Opigo were with Ojukwu.
Biafra movement had Igbo, Ijaw, Efik, Ibibio elements to it, so it wasn't just an Igbo movement, and Ojukwu was open to a UN supervised referendum in all Biafran territory including non Igbo ones, an option Gowon declined.

"The unprecedented mingling of all groups and
settling of many minority people in the Ibo
heartland during the course of the war was simply
taken for granted. Nonetheless, the Biafran regime
was unreservedly committed to plebiscites in any
disputed areas within Biafra, or on borders, so
that people involved could determine their
allegiance. It was proposed that these plebiscites
be conducted under international( UN or
O.A.U)supervision, and with adequate safeguard
against punitive retaliation
The federal government rejected the plebiscite
proposal, obviously because it implied the
recognition of Biafra and the substitution of a
democratic vote for force of arms. Had the
plebiscite been held, a ceasefire would have had
to be declared, neutral observers would have been
on scene, and the secession would have been
revealed as a people's movement". The New York
Review of Books, Volume 14, Number 8. April
23,1970.

"In an authoritative and detailed memorandum on
the background, cause and consequences of the
Nigerian civil war issued in November 1968 by
more than sixty British subjects, including Sir
Robert Stapleton, the last British governor of the
Eastern region( 1959-60), it was concluded that of
the 37 percent of the population which they
estimated that minority group represented in
Biafra, only 10% would favour continued
association with the federal government". The.
New York review of Books, Volume 14,Number 8.
April 23, 1970

4. There was everything to show that Zik’s quest to hold Nigeria together was not propelled by blind optimism but by the pursuit of a vainglorious title of “Zik of Africa” and subconsciously a pro-Igbo agenda of domination which he and his surrogates like Onyeama had already declared. The massacre of Igbos in Jos and Kano in 1945 and 1953 respectively, the Northerners open chanting of born-to-rule – a philosophy antithetical to democracy, Ahmadu Bello’s open castigation and demonizing of Igbos (Zik himself inclusive) at every opportunity, frequent demands for de-amalgamation by Northerners, etc were all enough eye openers for an innocently blind optimist. Zik’s argument might be intellectually sound but it was far from the reality kissing everyone in the face. And you know that idealistic people normally sound very intelligent since the imaginative world of alternate reality is full of utopian images.
Well, contrary to your claim, the Union Treaty of 1707 had in it the clause which granted Scotland’s demand of the right for legislative autonomy within the UK. Read it over again. It was you who referenced it. Now, it was that clause David Cameroon invoked to direct the Scottish Legislature in 2012 (The Edinburg Agreement 2012) to go and deliberate over it and come out with a working document on the manner to go about the referendum in 2014.
Yes it is undeniable that any people have the right to seek secession from any union whether such right is canonnized or not. However my contention has more to do with morality than legalism. In UK the other parts did not oppose Scotland’s demand for legislative autonomy in 1707 or term it a demand inimical to national unity as Zik and Igbos did to others in Nigeria. Not even David Cameroon, whose England was in power as at the time of Scotland's demand, refused to entertain arguements for the canonization of the Edinburg Act unlike Igbos who, against public opinion, promulgated an Anti-Secession Decree at a time they were in power. But here we are with Igbos who criticized and resisted all corresponding moves in Nigeria now goading everyone else to go violent about a reversal. That is the absurdity and afterthought others are refusing to tolerate from them. Had the power equation in Nigeria been to the favour of Igbos they would not have been seeing any injustice about Nigeria by now.
If Ojukwu really had regards for referendum, then why could he not at least advise Ironsi to do same to test Boro’s people’s opinion before he (Ojukwu) attacked Boro? Which plebiscite did Ojukwu and ironsi conduct before they promulgated the Anti-secession Decree? That makes nonsense of the accusation that Gowon rejected plebiscite. What goes around comes around.
Your claim that some Ijaw leaders’ comradeship with Ojukwu justified his crushing of Boro’s NDR vindicates the FG’s sustained crackdown on IPOB protesters since a lot of Igbos too are currently in Buhari’s cabinet and are anti-Biafra Movement.



As for the bolded, here is a link that Zik and Igbos held them back: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War
It states thus:

The AG insisted that Lagos, a Yoruba city which was situated in Western Nigeria must be completely recognised as a Yoruba town without any loss of identity, control or autonomy by the Yoruba. Contrary to this position, the NCNC was anxious to declare Lagos, by virtue of it being the "Federal Capital Territory" as "no man's land" - a declaration which as could be expected angered the AG which offered to help fund the development of other territory in Nigeria as "Federal Capital Territory" and then threatened secession from Nigeria if it didn't get its way. The threat of secession by the AG was tabled, documented and recorded in numerous constitutional conferences, including the constitutional conference held in London in 1954 with the demand that a right of secession be enshrined in the constitution of the emerging Nigerian nation to allow any part of the emergent nation to opt out of Nigeria, should the need arise.(Author(s): Tekena N. TamunoSource: The Journal of Modern African Studies, Vol. 8, No. 4 (Dec., 1970), pp. 563–584 [42] ) This proposal for inclusion of right of secession by the regions in independent Nigeria by the AG was rejected and resisted by NCNC which vehemently argued for a tightly bound united/unitary structured nation because it viewed the provision of a secession clause as detrimental to the formation of a Unitary Nigerian state. In the face of sustained opposition by the NCNC delegates, later joined by the NPC and backed by threats to view maintenance of the inclusion of secession by the AG as treasonable by the British, the AG was forced to renounce its position of inclusion of the right of secession a part of the Nigerian constitution. It should be noted that, had such a provision been made in the Nigerian constitution, later events which led to the Nigerian/Biafran civil war would have been avoided. The pre-independence alliance between the NCNC and the NPC against the aspirations of the AG would later set the tone for political governance of independent Nigeria by the NCNC/NPC and lead to disaster in later years in Nigeria. .......Thank God that the author of referenced Journal is neither a Yoruba nor an Edolite but a Rivers or Bayelsa man. So accusation of self-favouring revisionism will not hold here.

From the above on "no man's land declaration" it could be seen that Igbos had always coveted other people's lands from time immemorial. So much so that they rejected having the capital city just in pursuit of land grabbing objective.

pazienza:
SS is but a artificial creation that is not even backed by the Nigerian constitution. Yes it has come to stay, but it's only moronic to think that Edo has more deeper relationship with Cross Rivers or Akwa Ibom than SE who have been co inhabiting with those groups for centuries just because Edo was added to SS, or that Edo now has more connection with the people of Rivers state than Abia or Imo people, When the Ndoki Igbos are found in Rivers, Abia and few villages in Akwa Ibom and the Egbema people are spread between Rivers and Imo state, and the Etche being of same stock with those in Ohaji Imo state.

Inter marriage between those groups and SE predates colonial era and still continues today.
Jay jay Okocha though being from Enu ani in Delta would show more affiliation to his fellow Igbos in SE than with far Edo people that he can't communicate with without speaking English.

I can't image how a SWestern located Edo, that is bordering on NC, has more relationship with any of Rivers, Cross Rivers, Akwa Ibom than SE. Even looking at it from the map of Nigeria.

5. Without prejudice to the fact that Igbos are actually more unrelated to any SS ethnic group, I can tell that you exude ignorance of the existence of Edoid tribes like the Egenni, Epie etc in Rivers and Bayelsa States. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engenni_people. https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/weekly/index.php/notes-from-atlanta/13466-what-s-really-president-goodluck-jonathan-s-ethnic-group
https://www.writing.com/main/view_item.php/item_id/1725677-nigerias--president-and-bombing
There are Ijaws, Itsekiris and Urhobos indigenous to Edo State and are enclaves within the Binis. Some Edo North tribes speak mutually intelligible languages with some minute tribes in Northern Cross River. Only Akwa Ibom is totally unconnected with Edo State in the SS.
Your attempt to define Edo State as Northwards with your map is at best stupid and reeks of ignorance. Southernness is not measured by latitude but by closeness to the coastline to which Edo is closer than any Middle East State. On account of direct access to the sea through Benin River Edo had a sea port at Gelegele in the past and is being revived now. Does any part of the Middle East have such access to the sea for a seaport establishment?
The lower South Western tip of Edo State is just 30km from the adjacent coastline but the most southern tip of the most southern Middle Easst state of Abia is 43km from the coast.
The northernmost part of Edo (Imoga) is 220km from her adjacent coastline while the corresponding part of Enugu is 300km from the coast. Even the Northernmost tip of Cross River is farther from the coast (230km) than that of Edo though closer than Enugu’s.
The tropical rain forest, another feature of southernness covers nearly 80% of Edo but is totally absent in Enugu and Ebonyi which are in the Guinea Savannah – a feature of Northernness.
If latitude were to really matter then the North should be classifying Benue as too Southern compared with other Northern states. Likewise the arm of Kogi which extends deep down beside Anambra should make Anambra too close to Kogi to be in the South. Even the Igbos indigenous to Benue State have become Hausa-Fulanis by your silly Geographical location logic.
If not for deep seated envy arising from a sense of loss and irrelevance why do Middle Easterners always have sleepless nights over the composition of the SS when their own Biafra cohesion is in a sorry state courtesy of the rancor between Nwazurike and Nnamdi kanu?
The practically yoruboid Itsekiris in Delta have no cultural or historical ties with the Ogojas in C’River any more than the Ogonis (of Ghanaian origin) have with their contiguous ijaws yet they are both in the SS, the Ijaws in Ondo State are not even in the SS but that does not disqualify them from the SS brotherhood, the Ebus in Delta (an Igala offshoot) have no cultural ties with the Ibibios of Akwa Ibom, yet they now see themselves as brothers. The South-South unity and sense of oneness is therefore founded not on cultural similarity or geographical location but on a shared objective of freedom from WAZOBIA oppression of which Igbos are number one culprit.
The US is a country of extremely diverse peoples totally unrelated by culture who have however found a common identity through their shared objective of a free society. That is the modern trend, hence it is extremely primitive, blind, crude, unenlightened, backward and bestial for anyone to still be basing it on ethnic similarities or intermarriage.
The SS has come to stay and there is absolutely NOTHING you can ever in your miserable life do about it. We have evolved our identity from the ashes of WAZOBIA oppression.

In response to the Middle Belters quest for their own identity, the Core North has let them be. They no longer call them their brothers.
Likewise the Yorubas who have left the Western minorities of Edo Delta be, and no longer drag them into the Yoruba brotherhood.
But Igbos have refused to let the Eastern Minorities be despite all their struggle for their own separate Identity. They derogatorily labell them as artificial creation by Obasanjo wheras they (Igbos) joined the North to vote in that same OBJ, any SS person that expresses genuine misgivings about biafra inclusion they demonize him, blackmail him with claims of being used by Hausa-Fulani despite themselves were the first Hausa-Fulani slaves in Nigeria's history. Why can't they let Eastern Minorities be? Why? Why? Why? Is brotherhood by coersion or by consent?

Among all the Southern tribes the Igbos are the most similar to the Hausa Fulanis in terms of shared values and attitude. While it would be understood that islamization in Edo, and Yoruba parts resulted from Dan Fodio's forceful evangelism, that of Igbo land has been 100% voluntary. The best islamic university in the entire country is going to be established in Igbo land. Find it here:
http://www.newsexpressngr.com/news/5362-Igboland-to-get-Islamic-University-to-be-located-in-Afikpo-Ebonyi-State-Boasts-the-best-Islamic-secondary-school-in-Nigeria
At this time that the wave of christian evangelism is sweeping the other parts of the South there are daily reported cases of free will conversion of young Igbo boys and Girls to islam in Enugu, Ebonyi, etc. Find it here:https://www.nairaland.com/3163005/young-igbo-woman-reportedly-converts
https://www.nairaland.com/2999326/islamization-afikpo-igbos-80-percent
http://ukpuru.tumblr.com/post/114749550692/muslim-festival-anohia-village-afikpo-igbo
That suggests that if Dan Fodio's had not been halted at Auchi and therefore had been able to set foot on Igbo land it would have been a walk over.
And this nonentity is here describing Edo as a Northern state without any regard for the voluntary islamization of Igboland or the pronounced upward tilt of the coastline at the points exactly adjacent to Edo.

pazienza:
There was no retaliation on Zik part, after all, Zik would still go into alliance with Awo AG subsequently when Zik was sure that Awolowo wasn't going to leave him for the lurch by going behind to seal a deal with the North.

Awolowo was proposing a posibble union between AG and NCNC in 1959 when he Awolowo was also secretly working for a possible deal with Balewa, this was similar to the game he played between Gowon and Ojukwu.

No. Awolowo greed and lust for power was what set the Western region ablaze, rather than treat Akintola as a political heir, like Zik saw Okpara, Awo saw Akintola as a political enemy and set the tone for the crisis that took place in the West. Akintola needed Balewa help to neutralize Awolowo, it had nothing to do with Zik.

Awolowo was also found guilty of financial misappropriations and treasonable felony by Coker's commision and rightly jailed. He was the architect of his downfall, his leadership failure alienated Akintola, forcing Akintola to seek Northern Help in dealing with Awolowo, yet the North couldn't deal with Awolowo if he was innocent.
Trying to pin Awolowo self inflicted misfortunes on Zik and Ndiigbo is at best demonic.

Your claim that there was no retaliation on Ziks part is yet another face saving volte face from my poser challenging you on the propriety of Zik’s decision to seek vengeance through a means which collateralized the future liberty and lives of innocent Southerners:
3. Hear yourself initially:
“Lol! After Awolowo introduction of tribal politics in the 1951 Western region election to win the region for his AG, what option exactly did he leave for NCNC but to align with the North.

And moreover, while NCNC aligned with NEPU, AG was also aligned with UMBC, both NEPU and UMBC being the minority parties in the North.

The circumstances behind the aligning of NCNC with NPC was hinged on Awo's treachery where he wanted to play Zik a fool, but was instead checkmated by Zik who left him in the lurch. Awo would later play the same game successfully against Ojukwu. For while Awo was posturing as a middle man in search of alliance with the East, he was also searching for a possible alliance with the North.”

The above by you obviously suggested that Zik’s decision to team up with the NPC was inspired by a quest for vengeance. But now you changed tune. Awo’s persecution was political. If not how come an investigation into the time of his premiership with Akintola as deputy indicted Awo but left Akintola smelling of roses? Why was the same probe not extended to Zik who was the first Nigerian to be indicted of corruption by even the colonial authorities over AfDB finances? The truth was that all the players in the first republic namely, Balewa, Ahmadu Bello, Awo, Akintola, Zik, Okpara, Okotie-Eboh, Mbadiwe, etc were all corrupt. You can get the facts here. http://www.mondaq.com/Nigeria/x/490434/White+Collar+Crime+Fraud/The+AntiCorruption+Legal+Framework+And+Its+Effect and here http://www.nigeriacommunicationsweek.com.ng/e-business/fighting-corruption-a-war-for-all
Only Awo’s own was made an issue because of his opposition to the Arewanistan-Biafra coalition.
And in any case the NEPU and NPC which Zik teamed up with were both Core North-controlled Islamist parties, while the UMBC which Awo aligned with was a Middle-Belters’ party founded and controlled by a Christian called Joseph Tarka.
Also Awolwo never sought alliance with both NCNC and NPC at the same time. It was Akintola who, entirely out of his own accord, went to Ahmadu Bello to, in his capacity as the premier of Western Region, negotiate. Recall that even before independence Akintola, against Awolowo’s disapproval for anything Islamist North, had already been serving as a minister under Balewa’s shadow regime which the colonial masters put in place in 1957 preparatory to their final exit. Akintola would later still visit Ahmadu Bello on the eve of the January 15 coup to suggest they both flee the country before the day of action which Bello declined.
Awolowo once more demonstrated his revulsion for the Islamist North by rejecting Balewa’s offer of being released provided he would just kill his enduring all-Southern-parties-alliance dream and align with the NPC from which Zik had become alienated over the brazen rigging of 1962 censuses. Recall that it was at that point Zik sent Okpara to Ibadan to mend fences with AG through his wife who really forgave Zik and Okpara. And that was where Awo made mistakes because Zik later still abandoned them in UPGA to accept appointment again in the NNA of Akintola-Balewa. If I were in Awo’s shoes I would have accepted Balewa’ offer, come out of prison, aligned AG with NPC, accept a position and with Zik out in the cold, proceed to deal with him too, Akintola, and Okpara with the same Bello and Balewa behind me. I would not mind if the coup plotters later killed me too.

Now the question is, if Awo did double faced dealing, why would Zik later seek refuge politically with him and his party when he was being pummeled by the NPC?
As for the bolded: Funny enough, Zik, who according to you, decided to later align with Awo for beliving that Awo would not leave him in the lurch this rime around, was the one who ended up leaving Awo in the lurch once more to join the NNA again. See your puerile logic?
Another illogicality of this claim is that Zik eventually decided to strike a deal with a man whom his (ZIK's) own government had already convicted for "corruption" and was even already serving the jail term. Why align with a criminal if he himself was not a bigger one? Does that portray Zik as a man with a sound sense of judgement or as a shameless desperado who could condescend to any level in pursuit of any ambition? No wonder he, a PhD holder, agreed to be a powerless a ceremonial head under a grade II teacher just so that Igbos might be compensated with ministerial portfolios as if that was more important than preventing the Feudalists from ascending to power. So unprincipled a man! He even referred to himself as a political prostitute - a gene which he transmitted to all Igbos.
In the case of Ojukwu, it was simple. When they met in Calabar, Awo first advised him against violent secession, but it fell on deaf ears. Then he asked him for two weeks to think deeply about subscribing to a violent means of secession against his pure civilian disposition before going ahead with declaration. But in less than three days later while Awo was on his way back to Ibadan the news of Ojukwu declaring Biafra (probably due to changed circumstances beyond his control) caught him by surprise.
Question again: If Awo really played double negotiation with both Zik and Bello in 1959, would Ojukwu have confided in him over plans to declare Biafra? Let logic prevail over sentiments. Ojukwu himself would later, at the age of elderly maturity and better understanding of life, review his earlier opinion on Awo, hence he attended Awo’s burial and showered encomiums on him, but never attended that of Zik.

pazienza:
Ahmadu Bello born to rule rhetorics was tribal because it was aimed at subjugation of other groups, Zik speech was not but mere praise meant to
inspire group pride and confidence on his Igbo audience, he never talked about subjugating any Nigerian group with force.

The Awolowo you accuse of tribalism never made any public utterance of superiority on behalf of Yorubas in the name of merely encouraging their pride.
Any open and public proclamation of tribal superiority is a subtle threat of subjugation of others.

Another Igbo man inspired by Zik had this to say in 1945:

”Igbo domination of Nigeria is only a matter of time”- Charles Onyeama, a prominent Igbo lawyer and member of the Central Legislative Council, 1945. (Page 204 ”Ethnic Politics In Kenya and Nigeria” by Godfrey Mwakikagile).
Now tell me again that he used “domination” just to encourage Igbos’ sense of pride.

DocHMD:
We actually use to condemn ourselves in public while you shielded you own and thought 'Igbos are mumus who are not united'.


But truth be told even from an unbiased mind, you were slammed thoroghly with the truth, you are just too ashamed to accept.

A people who still praise Zik despite he misled them into a marriage with the jihadist for which they later paid with 3 million innocent souls in search for divorce.
Your brother was slammed thoroughly and you have rushed to his aid before the end of the fight. Why not allow the contest to end before coming to declare results uninvited?

DocHMD:
But the truth is that all through your argument you sounded very pained and was running from pillar to post and changing rhetorics. Even a blind man could see your struggles against Pazienza's real and deadly truth. Suck it up buddy.

As if anyone would expect a housefly not to be on the side of a wound.
Why won't you support your Igbo brother? Do Igbos ever agree their own person is wrong?
Has there even been an instance where Igbos criticized and openly condemned their own people even when clearly wrong?
I have been busy all day today and I am preparing my responses now.

Nowenuse:
This is one fact many empty headed igbos are not aware of.
Igbos lived in decentralized and scattered settlements in pre colonial times and it would have been very easy for them to be conquered and islamized by hausa-fulanis were it not people from Benue-Plateau, Wukari-kwararafa (Taraba) and Igala (Kogi) who waged wars with and defeated Danfodio from pushing further southwards.
Likewise Bini kingdom waged them (jihadists) from Auchi-Esan axis.

Igbos stand on the liberty they enjoy from other's sacrifices and insult same people. A people who were existing as tiny independent villages this without any king let alone any standing army. We would have allowed the Usman Dan Fodio soldiers to wipe them off had we known.
I am in Benin too right now. I will inbox you so that we can meet.

And come to really think of it:
What programmes or good governance did Zik think he had in stall for the Western Region which his own Eastern Region was not more in need of? Why did he not want to govern his own people? Were they ungovernable? After all there were already issues of the Eastern Region's relative neglect by the colonial authorities as of then.
Why did he not begin his charity from home? Any charity which does not start from home is a huge fraud and a Trojan Horse.
It is sad to note that today's Benue, Kogi East Senatorial District and parts of Taraba were all part of the Eastern side of the Southern Protectorate as at 1900 thus giving the South a huger population enhanced bargaining power over the North, but that while those boundaries were being gerrymandered by Bello and the imperialists towards getting those places into the already too large Northern Region, the Zik who was supposed to be in Enugu leading the resistance to that move was actually far away in Ibadan struggling with Awolowo for the soul of the Western Region and later crying that Awolowo deployed tribalism to rob him despite being untrue. Meanwhile Awolowo secured the Western Region strongly and was leading irredentist movements to get Kwara back into the Western Region. And an ignorant Biafra is here regurgitation lies of Awolowo cheating Zik with tribalism.

Even if Zik had made a Fulani man the mayor of Enugu, common sense dictated that he should have moved up North to seek premiership of the North as reward rather than westwards. He wanted Peter to reward him for the favor he did to Paul. Asinine!

The Truth Of The Western Region Assembly Cross-carpeting Accusation.

First Nigeria Regional Elections:
Western Nigeria 1951 Elections
Matthew Mbu and history:
Ambassador Mathew Mbu is a well-
respected Nigerian. But in this piece,
veteran journalist, Mr Felix Adenaike
challenges some of his claims about
Nigeria's past 'Falsehood may have
its hour, but it has no future' -
Francois D. Pressense
In what seemed his 48th
independence anniversary gift to
Nigerians, Dr. Matthew Tawo Mbu,
politician, lawyer and diplomat, gave
The Nation an interview run in its
October 1 edition addressing some
political issues in Nigeria of which he
had been a key player. Among
others, he spoke on the Western
Nigeria election held in 1951, two
generations ago, and repeated the
claim of the National Council of
Nigeria and the Cameroon (NCNC)
that it won that poll, but had been
robbed of victory. Then as now, Dr.
Mbu did not provide any evidence to
substantiate the NCNC claim.
Dr. Mbu said of that election held on
24 September 1951 that: "Dr.
Nnamdi Azikiwe was betrayed by the
Western Region of Nigeria, not by
the electorate, but by the leaders.
The NCNC won the election against
the Action Group (led by Chief
Obafemi Awolowo), but the Action
Group introduced what was
unknown to Nigerian history",
namely, "carpet crossing. They
Action Group bought members of
the NCNC to join the Action Group
after these people had won election
on the platform of the NCNC. Zik, the
leader of a majority party in the
Western Region became the Leader
of Opposition overnight".
Reminded by the interviewer that the
late Chief AMA Akinloye had
maintained in his lifetime that he
and his group had contested the
election on a neutral platform from
the NCNC, Dr. Mbu said: "That is his
version. He is entitled to say what he
wants to say. I don't want to say ill of
the dead. He knew he was NCNC and
his group was NCNC. Adelabu
remained NCNC. He stuck on to
NCNC till he died".
The late Dr. Kingsley Ozumba
Mbadiwe said in his autobiography,
Rebirth of a nation, among others
that: "But in pursuance of the policy
of creating a political climate healthy
enough to make one a citizen
wherever he lived, Dr. Azikiwe
contested and won the general
elections in 1951 into the Western
House of Assembly. To stultify this
policy of one Nigeria in favour of his
tribally-based philosophy, Chief
Awolowo got some elected members
to cross carpet from the NCNC to his
AG side. Zik the victor lost. And
Awolowo's party was able to form the
government of the Western Region."
At a news conference in Lagos on 20
September 1989, more than two
years after Chief Awolowo's death,
Dr. Mbadiwe returned to the topic
saying: "Dr. Azikiwe and his party
won the majority of seats in the
Western House of Assembly. He was
due to be elected the Leader of
Government Business, when
overnight, the Action Group
introduced the notorious carpet-
crossing. By this manipulation,
members who won under the NCNC
crossed over to the Action Group
building it to become the majority
party in the West. As a result of this,
Chief Awolowo was elected Leader of
Government Business and Dr.
Azikiwe had to resign."
Neither Dr. Mbu nor Dr. Mbadiwe
named the members of the NCNC
who contested the election on the
party's platform and later joined the
Action Group to enable Chief
Awolowo form the government to
the exclusion of Dr. Azikiwe. These
are weighty allegations such that
they would have assisted their
readers to clear the issues rather just
repeat their own version of the
events at that time in the hope that
such repetition would turn
falsehood into facts.
To avert conflicting claims over
candidates, Mr. Harold Cooper, the
Government Public Relations Officer,
wrote to the parties to furnish a list
of the candidates contesting election
on their platforms. Only the Action
Group complied with this request
and its list of candidates was as
follows:
1. Ijebu Remo Division - Obafemi Awolowo and M.S. Sowole;
2. Ijebu Ode Division - S.O. Awokoya,
Rev. S.A. Banjo and V.D. Phillips;
3. Oyo Division - Chief Bode Thomas,
Abiodun Akerele, A.B.P. Martins, T.A.
Amao and SB Eyitayo;
4. Osun Division - SL Akintola, JO. Adigun, JO Oroge, S.I. Ogunwale, I.A. Adejare, J.A.
Ogunmuyiwa and S.O. Ola;
5. Ondo Division - P.A. Ladapo and G.A. Deko;
6. Okitipupa Division - Dr. L.B. Lebi, CA
Tewe and SO Tubo;
7. Epe Division - SL Edu, AB Gbajumo, Obafemi Ajayi and
C.A. Williams;
8. Ikeja Division - O. Akeredolu-Ale, SO Gbadamosi and FO
Okuntola;
9. Badagry Division - Chief
CD Akran, Akinyemi Amosu and Rev.
GM Fisher;
10. Egba Division - J.F.
Odunjo, Alhaji A.T. Ahmed, CPA Cole,
Rev S.A. Daramola, Akintoye Tejuoso,
SB Sobande, IO Delano and A
Adedamola.
The others were as follows:
11. Egbado Division - J.A.O. Odebiyi, D.A.
Fafunmi, Adebiyi Adejumo, A. Akin
Illo and P.O. Otegbeye;
12. Ife Division -
Rev S.A. Adeyefa, D.A. Ademiluyi, J.O.
Opadina, and S.O. Olagbaju;
13. Ekiti Division - E.A. Babalola, Rev. J Ade
Ajayi, S.K. Familoni, S.A. Okeya and D
Atolagbe;
14. Owo Division - Michael
Adekunle Ajasin, A.O. Ogedengbe, JA
Agunloye, LO Omojola and R.A.
Olusa;
15. Western Ijaw Division - Pere
EH Sapre-Obi and MF Agidee;
16. Ishan Division - Anthony Enahoro;
17. Urhobo Division - WE Mowarin, J.B. Ohwinbiri
and JD Ifode;
18.Warri Division - Arthur
Prest and O. Otere, and
19. Kukuruku Division - D.J.I. Igenuma.
Of the names on the list, only MA
Ajasin from Owo Division, which
comprised Akoko then, did not run
because of party solidarity and unity
in Owo. He stood down for A.O.
Ogedengbe and R.A. Olusa to contest
two of the three seats, which they
won, while D.K. Olumofin won the
third for the NCNC.
Three secretaries of the Action Group, who ran as independents and won were:
1. Egba Division- Alhaji D.S. Adegbenro
2. Ekiti Division - J.O. Osuntokun, and
3. Epe Division - S.O. Hassan.
At the close of polls on 24 September
1951, the Action Group had won 38
of the 72 seats in contention out of the total of 80 in the Regional Assembly. The shortfall was due to the fact that elections had been postponed in Lagos and Benin due to security concerns. Lagos had five seats in the West Regional Assembly all later won by the NCNC in the election of 20 November 1951, while Benin had three all later won by Otu Edo candidates in the election of 6 December 1951.
Of the 68 candidates on the list furnished by the Action Group to the Government PR
Department, 38 of the elected AG
members were from that list, and were as follows:
1. Ijebu Remo - Obafemi Awolowo and M.S. Sowole;
2. Ijebu Ode - Rev. SA Banjo and S.O. Awokoya;
3. Oyo - Bode Thomas,
Abiodun Akerele, ABP Thomas, TA Amao and SB Eyitayo;
4. Osun - S.L. Akintola, J.O. Adigun, JA Oroge, S.I. Ogunwale, I.A. Adejare, J.A.
Ogunmuyiwa and S.O. Ola.
Other elected AG members from the
list were:
5. Egba - J.F. Odunjo, Alhaji
AT Ahmed, Rev. S.A. Daramola and
Prince Adedamola;
6. Egbado (now Yewa) - J.A.O. Odebiyi, D.A. Fafunmi and A. Akin Illo;
7. Ekiti - E.A. Babalola
and Rev. J. Ade-Ajayi; Badagry - Chief
CD Akran and Rev. G.M. Fisher;
8. Ikeja - SO Gbadamosi and O Akeredolu-
Ale;
9. Ife - Rev. SA Adeyefa and SO Olagbaju;
10. Owo - AO Ogedengbe and RA Olusa;
11. Epe - Safi Lawal Edu;
12. Okitipupa - C.A. Tewe;
13. Western Ijaw - M.F. Agidee;
14. Ishan - Anthony Enahoro, and
15. Warri - Arthur Prest.
In addition to the Action Group and
the NCNC, there were local/divisional
parties such as the Ibadan People's
Party (IPP), led by Chief AMA
Akinloye; Ondo Improvement
League, and Otu Edo of Benin. At the
end of poll, the standing of the
parties was as follows:
1. Action Group - 38;
2. NCNC and its loyal Independents - 25;
3. IPP - 6
4. Ondo Improvement League - 2.
5. Otu Edo candidates won the three
Benin seats, namely, Chief SO
Ighodaro, Chief Humphrey Omo-
Osagie and Chief Chike Ekwuyasi.
Chief Ighodaro opted for the AG,
while the latter two went to the
NCNC. And of the six IPP elected
members, only Adegoke Adelabu
joined the NCNC. The rest of them:
AMA Akinloye, Chief DT Akinbiyi
(who later became the Olubadan of
Ibadan), Chief SO Lanlehin,
Moyosore Aboderin and SA
Akinyemi, opted for the Action
Group. The NCNC National Secretary,
the late Chief Kola Balogun had sent
declaration forms to the IPP
assemblymen asking them to declare
for the NCNC but Chief Akinloye
returned all the forms uncompleted.
The three AG secretaries who had
run as independents - Adegbenro,
Osuntokun and Hassan, five IPP
members, one Etu Edo, and one
Ondo Improvement League, Chief
F.O. Awosika; and Chief Timothy
Adeola Odutola (Independent, Ijebu
Ode) had swollen the number of the
AG elected members. All the
transactions had taken place before
the inauguration of the Regional
Assembly on 7 January 1952. These
were not known members of the
NCNC, nor did the party publish their
names on the list of its candidates,
but claimed them as its "members,
supporters or sympathisers",
according to inimitable Zik in his My
Odyssey, " It takes more than
speculation to claim a person as a
member of your political party". You
cannot just be under the
"impression" as Zik had claimed that
they were and go ahead to field them
as electoral candidates.
For over a
half century, the NCNC is yet to
provide evidence to back its claim
that it had won the West Regional
election in 1951.
Mr Cooper absolved his department
of responsibility for the controversy
generated by the NCNC after the
election. At a post election news
conference in Lagos he said that "Of
the winning candidates, the names
of 38 were on the list sent to me by
the Action Group. The six successful
candidates at Ibadan were all among
those who had been identified to me
as representing the Ibadan People's
Party. No claim of any kind had
reached us about the party affiliation
of the remaining successful
candidates." Why did the NCNC not
send a list of its candidates for the
poll to the Government PR
Department before that poll? And
why have Dr. Mbu and the others not
published the list of NCNC
candidates to substantiate their
electoral victory claim in over 50
years but merely kept reaping false
claims? The records of the poll
conducted in the West and all over
Nigeria by the colonial administration are available at the National Archives and can be accessed by any honest researcher.
In this matter, it is facts that speak,
not what some political/ethnic
partisan said or did not say.
Dr Azikiwe's frustration was not only
in losing the regional election, he
also lost the election to the House of
Representatives held on 10 January
1951 at the House of Assembly, Ibadan, among NCNC members. The total tally for the 1951 poll in the 80 member Western Regional Assembly was as follows:
1. Action Group - 38;
2. Independent/AG - 15;
3. NCNC - 24;
4. Independent/NCNC - 3.
Three
members of the NCNC who had been
elected to the House changed party
allegiance that day ahead of the
House of Representatives vote. They
were: Chief SY Kesington-Momoh, JG
Ako, and Awodi Orisaremi, from
Urhobo and Kukuruku Divisions.
They were running for the House of
Representatives and wanted Action
Group votes. Kesington-Momoh and
Ako were elected, but Orisaremi went
back to the NCNC. That was all the
carpet-crossing that took place on 10
January 1952, namely, three at first
to the AG and one back to the NCNC.
From the vote tally, it is clear that the
NCNC and the Independent /NCNC
totalling 27 seats altogether out of
80 seats could not have formed the
Government of Western Nigeria.
Even if the local/divisional parties
had chosen the NCNC, it would still
be some seats short of 41 required to
form the government. The Action
Group won 38 seats; its independent
candidates - Adegbenro, Osuntokun,
Hassan and Odutola won four seats
making a total of 42 seats. The AG
could have formed the government
without the support of the other
small parties. It did not have to
"bribe" anybody to join it to form the
government. Since politics is a game
of number, only few principled
politicians would not be disposed to
joining the winning party, in this
case, the AG.
Dr. Mbadiwe also claimed in his
book: "Successful NCNC men who
were not Yoruba were scared away.
Dr. Azikiwe who won a seat to the
Western House (of) Assembly from a
Lagos constituency decided to resign.
Since membership of the House of
Representatives was by an electoral
college in the regional house, no
NCNC from the West came to the
House of Representatives in Lagos".
This is blatantly false. Zik resigned
because he lost election to the
federal house from the West, while
Prince Adeleke Adedoyin, Dr. Ibiyinka
Olorun-Nimbe, Chief Frank Oputa-
Otutu, Chief Denis Osadebey and Sir
Odeleye Fadahunsi were elected
from Ibadan to Lagos. Who ever
scared non-Yoruba NCNC people
from the West? Chief Denis
Osadebey succeeded Adegoke
Adelabu as Opposition Leader in the
West and the likes of Humphrey
Omo-Osagie, Festus Okotie-Eboh,
Chike Ekwuyasi, Fidelis H Utomi, Obi
Osagie, Yamu Numa, GO Oweh and
GB Ometan were non-Yoruba NCNC
in that Assembly.
As Mme De Stael says: The "search
for the truth is the noblest
occupation of man; its publication is
a duty". Dr. Mbu and his political
entourage have chosen their own
side of history. It remains to be seen
whether or not history will absolve
them. Their contemporary audience
is composed of intelligent people
who will search after the truth
without inheriting the political
prejudice and stereotype of their
lying grand-parents. That is the way
ahead for Nigeria. And "the greatest
friend of truth is time; her greatest
enemy is prejudice". - CC Calton

pazienza:
Zik introduced tribal politics in 1938 when he pulled
out of NYM on account of his candidate's loss of
the movement's chairmanship.
What Awolowo fought against in 1951 was inter-
regional intrusion. His Outburst that "It would
appear that the god of Igbos had placed Nigeria's
destiny in Igbos' hands" Was also another tribal
slur that preceeded the 1951 saga. Moreover Zik
never actually won that election. Only the usual
Igbo propaganda machine held out this lie for
decades. The stats are available and I will post it
soon.


In what planet could Zik had introduced tribal politics in Nigeria, when his candidate in the 1938 NYM election was not an Igbo, but a Yoruba in the person of Samuel Akinsanya!
How exactly could Zik supporting a Yoruba candidate be the cause of the Yoruba- Igbo rift that Awo introduced to win the 1951 elections?
What Awo fought in 1951 was inter tribal intrusions.
Moreover, nothing in Zik speech was tribal or indicative of desire to subjugate any other group. It was at best, self praise, which is expected seeing as he was addressing an Igbo gathering.

Why even say such at all knowing fully well that journalist were recording and would definitely report it in national dalies for public consumption?
It is like saying Ahmadu Bello's born to rule chants were not meant to subjugate anyone.
It is as well like arguing that Buhari's dog and baboon proverb was not inimical to peace since he rendered it in Hausa language to BBC thus addressing only his own people.

pazienza:
In addition to the litigation angle to the
establishment of AAU, the chronological defect of
your account of the founding and establishing of
ESUTECH punctured your lie. How could a school
be founded in 1980 and then established in 1979?
Was time counting backwards then? You have
refused to answer how it was possible for the
Anambra Government which got sworn in on
October 1 1979 to have gone through all the
numerous rigours involved in preparation of a bill,
sponsoring same and signing it into law all within
less than three months before Jan 1 1980.

You being silly and trying to save face.

Until now, you are yet to provide any links other than a speech by an Igbo man in a newspaper to support your claim of AAU being the first state University in Nigeria.

I had since provided genuine sources from ESUT official website, which affirmed the school as the first state University http://www.esut.edu.ng/

And a link from AAU official website : https://www.aauekpoma.edu.ng/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=103&Itemid=172

All you have so far is your schizophrenic mis representations and delusional bending of facts.

You are shameless.

Thank God it was an Igbo man like you that created the link which I referenced. And you have been jumping from tree to tree like a monkey in your attempt to separate Ekweme from Igbos for the litigation.
The chronological illogicality of the ESUTECH website kills its own claim. The three month legislative procedure impossibility buries it completely.

pazienza:
If we even take it hypothetically that the above
donation list is valid, then the fact that only one
Yoruba man's donation dwarfed all Igbos'
donations combined is an evidence of Yorubas
superiority to Igbos as regards love for education.
Likewise Ibru's own alone dwarfs the combined
Igbo ones. Is that not still a confirmation of the
superiority of Edoids over the entire Middle East as
regards love for educational development? It still
was an evidence that Igbos were not happy with
Ambrose Alli's court victory over the Arewanistan-
Biafra FG, thus they donated paltry sums just for
tokenism.


Lol! How much did you bitter beings donate to ASUTECH and IMSU during their own inauguration in 1981 and 1982?

Bitter beings!

Did we ever take Anambra Governor to court over his right to establish ASUTECH to warrant the need for donations-like expiation at the point of its actual establishment?