₦airaland Forum

Ibime:
I think you are being facetious here. . . . the Aburi Accord devolved power to Biafra alright, but gave no power to the nation-states that make up Biafra. . . . again, I will remind you that it gave power to the Igbo, Yoruba and Hausa-Fulani. . . . full stop. . . . within Biafra itself, Ndigbo vehemently resisted the devolvement of power away from Enugu. . . . the Wa-Zo-Bia chess games NEVER took into account power-devolvement to the "minorities" within their region. . . . .if we consider that the smallest tribe in the old Rivers State was Ogoni with more than half a million people, do you not think that half a million people deserve power devolvement?. . . . and the Ijaw nation is 10 million strong. . . .so what makes you think that Igbos with 20 million deserve devolvement, but 10 million Ijaws do not?

I told you in my previous post that desperation is setting into your plank of argument. Please for sake of clarity, where did you plug the number of 10 million that you claimed represented numeric strength of Ijo people in the defunct eastern Nigerian? Even the combination of Ijo as citizens of both Nigeria and Ghana would not amount to10 million.

I hope you are still normal because most of the permanent secretaries that accompanied Gowon to Aburi were Ijo. It is cool to hear from you that during the summit in Aburi, Ijo people were neither Nigerians nor Biafrans.

[quote author=na_so link=topic=302497.msg4322791#msg4322791 date=1249816247]I hope you are not under immense pressure to function in this your self-appointed role of trying to hide the truth. You can still make your point without sounding abusive you know?

This man dey make me laugh. chei. 

Please as the "historian" of the house kindly explain the makeup (demograhic and geographic) of the Niger delta as designed by the british and explain how the Ijaws were not major players?

You have consitently made attempts at denying what is glaringly true at every occassion. It is either  a case of mischeavously  understating the returns from crude oil at the start of the civil war , or that  the Akassa war of 1895 being as a result of elimination of Ijaw middlemen in palm produce trade  and the actual producers being Ibos.

At some point you have maginified the drops of oil found in Owerri and Ikot ekpene  before it was discovered in commercially viable quantity in oloibiri. Then used this unsuccesful oil exploration activities in owerri as a platform to  ask  " where were the ijaws and Boro when oil was struke in Owerri?"  No one is fooled.

You are really working hard to sell this your theory of economic depedence of the ijaws on ibos before crude was discovered.

You are really very funny but note that all this mass of unrelated historical tales, can not derail me from my points in this discuss. Which are:

1. Adaka Boro to Ijaws is (if not more than) what  Ojukwu is to the Ibos. If Ojukwu is the HERO of ndigbo, same applies to Boro in Ijawland.

2. Before crude  oil was discovered Ijaws have a rich history of economical viable agro based activities. Hence were not economically reliant and  that at best the Ibos were economic partners.


In your response kindly highlight parts of my posts you have a problem with . This will make it easier for better clarification.[/quote]If you felt offended by the statement I made in my previous post, I respectfully tender my apology. I was humorously and amusingly bent when I wrote the statement.

You have maintained a clean debate even though your facts have left much to be desired.

For a starter, the delta created by the Rivers Benue, Niger, Imo, Anambra, Urashi and Utamiri popularly referred as Niger Delta covers the area with rough estimate of 23,000 square miles. 

I am trying very hard to discern the areas in the present day Bayelsa State that encouraged mere subsistent farming. There was a time Borokiri was a mosquito-infested useless swamp. I repeat I had traveled to Yenegoa when the community was under water. The only cultivatable lands within the eastern Nigerian coastline are found inland from maybe Okirika to rich soils of Igbo land, Ibibio, Annang and some part of Efik land.

Ibime:
Calm down hombre. . . . no need to blow gasket. . .   . . . . the condescending Dede1 sought to prove Biafras "fair treatment" of minorities by highlighting that each town had an administrator from that town. . . .how charitable!. . . . although that proves nothing because even in the contraption called Nigeria, we still have administrators from our own towns.

Dede1's tries to use his example to prove "fair treatment". . . . but to me, the only "fair treatment" was that Ojukwu apply the same Aburi accord to Biafra as he wanted Nigeria to apply to himself. . . . If Igbos deserve Aburi Accord in Nigeria, then Ijaws deserve Aburi Accord in Biafra. . . . but Igbos would not even consider giving them their own state for minor decision making, talkless of devolving power completely ala Aburi Accord. . . . the double standard is there before God and Man to see.

You are becoming uncontrollably ridiculous. Please get a handle of yourself. Ojukwu did not go to Aburi in order to negotiate terms for the Ndigbo. Rather Aburi summit was primarily between Nigeria and Biafra. During the period of summit in the Ghanaian town, Gowon and his ethnic group of Angas did not represent the cesspit called Nigeria. By the same token, Ojukwu’s stance in Aburi was not for Ndigbo but Biafra. The last time I checked though, Biafra represented the defunct eastern region of Nigeria.

Please Ibime, provinces are not towns or cities. Provinces are sub-regions that comprise many municipalities designed to enhance and bring the process of administration closer to the people. The administrators listed on my previous post were men of intellect, means and substances, well educated by every meaning of the word; education, well respected individuals with professional markings and men who could not be fooled by the sugar-coated gist that turned less stable individuals into deluded bunch.

Ibime:
I dont get your point here. . . as of today, Amaechi administers PH, Sylva administers Yenogoa and Uduaghan administers Warri. . . . . what does this have to with Aburi Accord? 

You are very funny individual indeed. What has Aburi Accord got to do with the minorities in Nigeria? To the best of my knowledge, Aburi accord was returning Nigeria to normalcy by observing the strict military parlance in Nigerian army, federalism, resource control between the central and regional governments, merit-oriented civil service and security for all Nigerians regardless of ethnicity or place of abode.

The Aburi's agreements did not deliberate on a particular right of ethnic groups in Nigeria. If you are bent on the creating events and recording them as they suit you, I would not constitute any impediment.

@Ibime


Some peeps from the eastern minorities, especially one of my friends on the Nairaland, had diligently continued to propagate falsehood how the Biafran leadership did not include the minorities in the running of affairs in Biafra. It must be recalled that Biafra was divided into provinces and each of the provinces was govern or administered by an individual from that particular province.

For example, Mr. Emmanuel Aguma administered Port Harcourt Province. Chief Frank Opigo administered Yenagoa Province. MR. S. N. Dikibo administered Degema Province. MR. S. J. Edoho administered Eket Province. Mr. Frank Ugbut administered Ogoja Province. Chief J. Udo-Affiah administered Uyo Province. DR. S. J. Cookey administered Opobo Province. Prof. Eyo Bassey Ndem administered Calabar Province. Chief Ekukinam Bassey administered Annang Province. These administrators ran their schools, paid their teachers and civil servants, collected taxes, maintained roads, and generally administered the provinces.

The act of fairy tale should be reserved for the kids.

@na_so

You are indeed a misguided fellow. As I said in my previous post, what was termed as Niger Delta by the British as indicated in your post is not the same as the present Niger Delta created by the lunatic and political idiots roaming the jungle called Nigeria.

As for the Shell D’arcy crude oil exploration in southern protectorate and Nigeria, I suggest you perform additional reading.

It is interesting to note how funny human beings tend to avail themselves with skewed the knowledge or lack thereof. It indicts academic laziness. In a bid to justify that making a hero out of common criminal such as Adaka Boro, some peeps from the other aisle of the debate had gone nuts to prove that one Igbo person fought the Nigeria-Biafra war on the Nigerian side. The issue in not what side certain individuals fought the war but making hero out of an individual that was completely none factor.

If the group I belonged had decided to pursue the southerners who really made Nigerian side rock during war, Adaka Boro probably would have been overlooked. I still wonder why few individuals are citing links that pointed to oblivious circumstances and posting skewed facts about Ike Nwachukwu and Ukpabi Asika. Ndigbo had never made these duo heroes and would not even attempt to suggest such confirmation.

Yes, Ike Nwachukwu served under 6th Brigade of 2nd Division of Nigerian army commanded by Lt. Col. Alani Akinrinade. It is a literary crime to suggest that the Brigade was involved in the massacre of more than 500 hundreds Igbo people in Asaba in order to justify the part many southerners played during the civil war. You should understand that the Biafrans kept intelligence of what was happening on the Nigerian side. The atrocity in Asaba was committed by elements or units under 8th Brigade of 2nd Division under the command of Lt. Col. Francis Aisida.

Unfortunately, some folks have gone from adequate contributor to ridiculously mediocre. The issue we had at hand was an attempt of making a hero out of a common criminal. Isaac Adako Boro was not a hero. The peeps such as Beaf, na_so, Sapeleguy and even Ibime had gone hair- wired in determined measure to twist truth and convert falsehood into truth.

@Sapeleguy

You tried very hard to blackmail both naijaking1 and me with such twisted post. But your intelligence or lack thereof reduced you to an inherent betrayal artist.

It is shame that peeps who are yarning for federalism do not understand the significance of the word. And it is must ridiculous that certain individuals would indulge in blatant falsehood in an attempt to register blame against Ndigbo.

Nigeria has never worked and will not work with federalism or without.

If British were out to establish administrative joints, places like Owerri, Aba, Onitsha, Uyo, Oron, Ikot Ekpene, Umuahia, Orlu and Okigwe would not have been urban cities. The places like Akassa, Yenegoa, Bonny and other backwater communities along coastal front of Nigeria would have been the only urban cities especially where the British once camped for trading. I had visited Yenegoa when the community was under water and mere visiting a neighbor was enhanced by canoe and believe me it was not too long ago.

The current talk of revolution in the cesspit called Nigeria amounts to feel-happy ranting. Nigeria lost its sincerity to stage revolution on July 1966. The only form of revolution the jungle will see is a fratricidal war of disintegration that will give rise to serious battles of expansionism and change of boundaries.

Ibime:
Yeah, we know the distinction between Eastern and Western Ijaw. . . . but what Batubo was challenging is that you said East > West.

Oh!!! It is my bad. I should have written that western Ijo is better than eastern Ijo. I hope you are satisfied now. Sorry to both Ibi and Otubo.

@Ibime

I am of the view you are not goofed with eastern Ijo and western Ijo too. I may inquire what you have been smoking if you are confused about Nigerian Ijo. When I referenced eastern Ijo, it meant Ijo people located in the defunct eastern region of Nigeria while western Ijo meant Ijo people located in both defunct western and mid-western regions.

Nigerians will never fail to amaze me. I could not believe the fact that the misguided sentiments that gave rise to previous corrupt leaders of the cesspit called Nigeria are being showered on Nuhu Ribadu.

Nuhu Ribadu is human fraud and con artist. A police man who had never successfully apprehended and persecuted a common criminal was promoted three to two ranks higher than his course mates and never question the motives behind such out of sequence promotion.

Anybody reaching for what he or she could not afford has a character issue. It has been allegedly reported that Ribadu borrowed 45 million naira from a father in-law to purchase a house in an exclusive zip code in Abuja. How does he intend to pay back this borrowed money? I hope it is not from services of the Nigerian Police Force. My people say that one-eye person is indebted to blindness.

Poor Nuhu Ribadu lacked self-esteem, self-criticism and judgment. It is funny that Ribadu is on the run and refused to appear before the court citing reasons of personal security or lack thereof. The dude clinging to the issue of lack of personal security in Nigeria worked in the Nigerian Police Force for more than 12 years as a high ranking officer and he never saw the needs to improve the security of fellow Nigerian who stood as an accused.

Nuhu Ribadu is naked hypocrite. I had rather vote for a criminal than a known hypocrite.

@Ibime, Bialegend0, naijaking1, Bialegend.

I appreciate your inputs in the on-going debate. If not for the free nature of Internet, we would not be contending with few backwater dimwits who had never made a trip outside the hut where their mother put to birth talk much understanding the geographical differences between eastern and western Ijo. Yet, the jackasses would navigate their way to a keyboards and lay waste to Internet bandwidths.

Ibime:


Calm down. . . . Dede1 is always clowning. . . . you have to take his words as tongue-in-cheek otherwise you would get offended.

There is nothing in the form of clown or hidden intention to offend. I wrote what I had experienced first hand. I can not bring myself to respond to a backwater dullard such as batubo.

The ill-informed product of incestuous behavior could not even recognize him or her self in a mirror. From the dirty maggot’s (batubo) reply to my post, there is no telling whose father is alien.

The irredeemable dirty son of a bitch could not discern where eastern Ijo ended and western Ijo started. In the history books, there were such nomenclatures and there is intention on my part to divide the Ijo people.

I have lived and stayed with Ijo families and my uncle’s wife is from Okirika. I am of the view that disparaging Ijo people (Bayelsa and Rivers State) in any form or shape, I have done same to myself. But this statement could not be applied to Ijo people with regards to Ndigbo.

From the civil betrayal to abandoned properties, the Ijo people have acted recklessly.

@Afam

I appreciate your concerns over Ribadu and Nigeria as well as your deserved opinions. By the same token, I would want you to appreciate my concerns and well deserved opinions over Ribadu and Nigeria too.

We can not begin to think about a better country for us when dissenters and contrarians are indicted in the courts of public opinions and personal sentiments. In my lifetime, I have seen Nigerian prominent politician(s) referred to Nigeria as a geographical expression. What could be more geographical expression than jungle? The last time I checked, I am entitled to qualify Nigeria with any word I deemed feat as long as no law is contravened.

[quote author=na_so link=topic=302497.msg4304392#msg4304392 date=1249489360]In the Akassa raid the Ijos were forced by the british to sell only to a sole buyer RNC at a price fixed by the british, this was detrimental to the sellers as there was buyer monpoly. Also note that at this time the ijos had established trade links with clients as far as liverpool, there were also some non-English( french and portuguese) interest in the palm produce.

This move by the RNC made the pricing unfavourable to the sellers hence some were forced in a desparate need for survival to resort to "smuggling" palm produce to other buyers. Things came to a head and the Ijos were forced to Attack the RNC.

You have tactically accorded to the status of middlemen to Ijos to diminish the role of Ijos in the production of palm produce. This is very wrong , while there was trade across tribal borders , the core of the produce here came from Ijaw land.
Oga I hope all this long story about two cups of oil in owerri and ikot ekpene before it was found in oloibiri in commercial quantity is not a ploy to erode the importance of Ijaws in the story of oil in nigeria? [/quote]I shall not label your efforts as misguided but loads of unfounded exaggerations about Ijo (eastern Ijo) that are even much better than western Ijo. I went to Yenegoa in late 70s and like any other community within Ijo has absolutely nothing that could pass as oil mill. In fact, ordinary farmland is scarce because every nooks and crannies are creeks.
I remembered going from one house to another on canoe.

Mind you that I have traveled wide in the Ijo land and can categorically state that palm produce is not the type of stuff associated with Ijo. If you claim supplying fish, smoked or non-smoked, and probably local Gin (aka mere), you may have valid point pal.

By the way, did Ijo attack trading boats of the Royal Niger Company or the company’s headquarters in Lokoja?

Ribadu is a typical Nigerian fraud and will remain so as long as I am concerned. I have tried to find reasons behind his rapid promotion within Nigerian police but could not find anything intangible talk less of tangible.

OBJ is not a fool by any stretch of imagination when he applied the same ploy to skyrocket Ribadu’s promotion to AIG. As a so-called messiah of the cesspit called Nigeria and a man of impeccable character, he would have questioned what prompted all the sudden heavy-handed promotions dropped on his laps.

It is funny that Ribadu has no outstanding police record and yet most inhabitants of the jungle are trying very hard to make a saint out of him. I shall never cut my nose because I despise my face.

@na_so


Ndigbo and Ijo (eastern Ijo) had co-existed and bonded together before the advent of Europeans. In fact, most if not, all the families in Ijo land had Igbo blood because either their great grandmothers or great grandfathers were Igbo. Ijo people are not known for producing palm produce and even when they do it is not of commercial quantity.

The Akassa raid was a ploy designed by the British to achieve among other things a direct trade of good and services with the suppliers instead of dealing with Ijo middlemen.

The crude oil exploration started in southern protectorate in 1948 in place known today as Ondo. After few years of unsuccessful efforts to find crude oil, the Shell D’arcy made a south-east bound move. This move landed Oil Company in Owerri in 1950 and hence Shell Camp is still existence in the Imo State capital. The first crude oil was struck in 1951 around a community located 8 miles north of Owerri. However, the operation was terminated due to high presence of natural gas and hostility encountered from the villagers. Shell moved its operation south bound to Ikot Ekpene and struck oil around a community known as Akata in 1953. The oil was not of commercial quantity and company was about to fold its operation but luck shun on its effort as the company struck crude oil of commercial quantity in 1956 at Oliobiri. 

It must be recalled that cities such as Port Harcourt had been developed from money profited from palm produce, timber, rubber and coal. I did not include fishery for a very good reason.

[quote author=na_so link=topic=302497.msg4301596#msg4301596 date=1249462530]@niajaking1 and dede1
On your claims that the IJaws were dependent on the Ibos until crude oil was discovered, I have asked just 2 questions:

1. Have you heard of the war between The royal Niger company and the Nembes in 1895? If yes what happened?

2. Before crude oil was discovered , the present Niger delta was named " OIL RIVERS PROTECTORATE" by the british . why?[/quote]You have been doing well until this latest post. Are you also insinuating that this latest craziness about Niger Delta predated the British colonial interest in Africa? Maybe the sack of Eko in 1861 by the British should also be attributed to the so-called Niger Delta. In addition, the Benin massacre of 1897 should be joined to the foolishness associated with the so-called Niger Delta. I am sure you were referring to Akassa raid of 1895 in the question where Nembes is mentioned. It is very elementary.

If you think that the oil in the Oil River was attributed to crude oil, you should dismiss yourself from this debate. And I take it that you did not even understand which of the rivers British termed Oil River. I would not disclose the identity of the oil river as indicated in your post.

erico2k2:
na wah, people will never learn, who told you guys that during the ceviul war the ND where brothers to Biafra eh?,I have said it again time without numbers, we in the Niger Delta owe nothing to nobody cos nobody except the NDs are helping us out OK, we never wished to be part of any other state than the Niger Delta REPUBLIC, and thats what is going to happen once we get our resource control,
For all your information Edo.Delta,Bayelsa and Rivers are gonna be Niger Delta Republic, anyone else care to join holla

It is a terrible decease when a person is meshed in delusion of grandeur. The level of idiocy displayed by this poster is very alarming. It is either that the poster is irresistibly blinded to reality or apathetic to education.

To be candid to the poster I plead with someone to inform this misguided fellow that as a geographical reference, Niger Delta does not exist within confines of the jungle called Nigeria. Again, there are estuaries formed by the combination of Rivers Niger, Benue, Imo, Anambra, Urashi and Utamiri. There are other estuaries formed by Rivers Escravos and Forcados. Mention should should be made about estuaries formed by Qua and Cross Rivers. To the dismay of your readers, you lacked the elementary knowledge of the issue in discussion.

There is not doubt that this poster seemed to have serious issues of transferring intuitive formation into a written form. To jolt the posters dull memory, Biafra was a country that represented the defunct eastern region of Nigeria. Again, Niger Delta had never existed and will never exist.

dominique:
when did Rivers state become East?

Sometimes I could not hold back from laughing my head off. One would thought that Nigerian generations of 1960s were morons but statistic shows that the present generations of Nigerians are not only moronic but imbecilic too.

Of course whenever the chieftains of northern oligarchy want anything done in the colonial contraption called Nigeria that will overwhelmingly fall within their socio-politico-economic interest, they have willing southern dancing partners to take the floor.

Whether it is the so-called One-Nigeria, quota system, Kaduna refinery or moving capital city to the northern region of Nigeria, there are insurmountable numbers of southern Nigerians ready to do the biddings for chieftains of northern oligarchy.

The blame of regressive Nigeria, manifested by actions of northern oligarchy, should partly hinge on the shoulders of moronic southern Nigerians.

@bombay

What a change of mind? I am glad that you have decided to educate yourself on factual facts rather than hugging make-belief sentimental craps that flood the forum by misguided folks.

Most of the article you have recently posted have collaborated my sentiments about the death of Adaka Boro. In addition, the aforementioned articles had eroded the ridiculous claims by few delusional Ijo peeps that the so-called emancipation of Niger Delta was an outcome of Akassa raid of 1897.

No more than one seat, both on regional or federal level, was ever won by a party or party alliance outside NCNC in both Brass and Rivers Provinces.

To allege that Ojukwu or any governor of eastern region of Nigeria had looked upon Ijo people with disdainful demeanor simply amounted to wild goose chase. I could recall that Ojukwu personal physician was an Ijo. Would it not amount to playing Russian roulette choosing a personal physician from the same ethnic group that the governor had wanted to be irrelevantly subjugated?

It is no surprise that the same doctor had to apologize to Ndigbo on behalf of the Ijo people for what appeared to be massive turncoats among Ijo people in the issue of Nigerian/Biafra civil war. He went further to state the Ndigbo should realize that Ijo is no power to either withstand the forces of Biafra or that of Nigeria.

naijaking1:
The point I read from Dede1 is that while Fajuyi remains a hero, there are also indeed other Yoruba heros, who simply did the right thing at great expense to their own safety.

It could not have been expressed better than you did.

nues aweso:
@Dede1, there you go again. Does anyone read a common factor of being an unsung Yoruba hero or is it just me?

I never strolled to this forum to create unfounded heroes or to deconstruct fanfare heroes erected by lip-servicing peacocks. I have no issues with the personality of Lt. Col. Francis Fajuyi whom I adjudged as a progressive soldier.

However, I would not waste a second’s moment to refute any conjectural falsehood such as the one concocted to manufacture a hero where one never existed. I repeat there was no time under the sun that Lt. Col. F. Fajuyi expressed the need to die with Ironsi by altering the words accredited to him

Again I am compelled to say that if Fajuyi had lived after the July 29, 1966 coup, the civil war would have been averted and cesspit called Nigeria would have divided too.

@ the viper

I appreciate your comments and just as you said, there are few unsung heroes from Yoruba.

Who could be more unsung hero than Lt. Col. Ayo Ariyo? A Sandhurst trained combatant soldier who has nothing to loose in prosecuting the war against Biafrans yet this second-in-command of the 3MCDO of Nigerian army had to resign his army commission instead of fighting the Biafrans at Calaber.

What about Wole Soyinka? Wole is a man of decent academic depth who spent three years period of the civil war in jail for constituting opposition to the war of attrition against the Biafra.

I must applaud the Ijebu Ode peasant cocoa farmers who, against all odds, stood up against the mighty Nigerian army in1967 demanding cessation of hostility against Biafrans. In order to subdue the unsung heroes from Ijebu Ode, Gowon had to unleash the combined efforts of war-tested members of 8th Battalion and their veteran commander Major Ochefu on the farmers.

@ Poster

What if the person’s real name tends to indicate the words referenced? For example, one of the Adaka Boro’s compatriot name is Nothingham Dic  k