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Katsumoto: Dede1

You can keep trying to use word play to befuddle the argument but i will my eye on the ball. To suggest that there were no bini, yoruba, ishan, itshekiri in the armed forces before 1966 is silly. That was never in question. The fact is that there was a recruitment drive after the biafran incursion. Similarly to how many young boys join the military when there is war just like duri g WW2 and after september 11.

I will respond in full later as i am on my fone.

Silliness lies with moronic dimwit who remotely thought western region was under occupation by Nigerian soldiers from northern region in 1966. And by extension, Yoruba and its allies in southern provinces of Nigeria could not stand up to Gowon and soldiers from northern because there was no Yoruba or Edo or Ishan or Urhobo or Itsekiri or Ijo or Ejagam or Efik in uniform of Nigerian armed forces colors. In addition, these aforementioned ethnic groups begged Gowon and northern regional political elite to be allowed into Nigerian armed forces because of Biafra or fear of Biafran nation. What a silly conjecture.

Why did they fail to, at least, stage a public demonstration against Gowon and Nigerian armed forces when Biafra was being attacked in July of 1967?

ACM10: Chei! Someone are really bitter o. He claims that the interview from a principal actor should be discarded, while the tales of his obscure "balanced" historian should be believed as an authentic account. He enters a debate with a predetermined opinion. He uses strongarm tactics to bully everyone that believes otherwise. He doesn't respect the views of other people. He prides himself as NL intellectual. He can descend so low to quote articles from gossip sites. I can only feel sorry for you.

What else do you expect from a person who thinks Ubani (Bonny) was part of Mid-western region of Nigeria and we should count August before July?

Katsumoto: Dede1

You sure love pain and punishment.

We have had this debate extensively in the past and while I do not care whether you accept the figures produced by Norman Miners and Robin Luckham, I will for the benefit of those who haven't followed our previous debate on this subject, humour you. In January 1966, there were approximately 10,500 men in the Nigerian armed forces. Out of the 10,500, the Yoruba and contributed a mere 6% approx, while the North produced 54% and Igbo (including mid-western) produced 30%. The Igbo with its 30% proportion of trained soldiers and millions more of new recruits lost the war, yet you were expecting the Yoruba with its 6% of trained soldiers to get involved in a conflict that wasn't its own? Clearly, we can see why the Biafrans lost; you have no concept of strategy. You believe it is courage and manpower alone that wins wars? You are so naive and bound to repeat the mistakes of the past.

It is on record that after the debacle of the Biafran incursion into the mid-west and west, there was a huge recruitment of sons from the Yoruba, Bini, Urhobo, itshekiri, and other non-igbo mid-western areas. These people had hitherto, been largely neutral or sympathetic to the Biafrans. Most of these new recruits went into Murtala's 2nd Division. The 3rd Division of course had many Yoruba sons but these were the Yoruba sons who had joined the Army before the start of the war and formed the nucleus of Adekunle's command and had been a part of the Lagos Garrison Office. If your argument is that Yoruba sons fought against Biafra, then the other side will also roll out names of Biafrans who fought against Biafra such Ike Nwachukwu, Ekpo, Elechi Amadi, Isaac Boro. If your sons can fight against you, why emphasis that those who aren't your sons fought against you?

Any student of war history will tell you that strong nations who had strong neighbours will have fought a series of wars. Not one side wins all the wars. France and England fought a lot of wars, many of the greeks states fought one another over several centuries. The romans had many wars with the visigoths, Carthaginians, Gauls, etc. As big as the Roman empire was, it did not win all these wars against lesser nations. The Oyo fought the Nupe during the 15th century and the Nupe were successful on the first occassion but would lose other wars to the Oyo. Oyo was sacked by Ilorin whose forces were made up of Solagberu's Yoruba Muslims from Oke Suna and Afonja's Yoruba armies mixed with Hausa slaves (Gobirawa). Ilorin could only sack Oyo after Lanloke laid siege to Oyo Ile. There were several powerful kings/chiefs who were no longer the influence of Oyo and who were all suspicious of the others. Some of there were Adegun (Onikoyi), Atiba (who would be Alaafin after fall of Oyo Ile), lanloke (Ogodo). Alaafin Amodo in wanting to increase his power sought an alliance with lanloke by giving his daughter to lanloke. Unfortunately, lanloke killed the Alaafin's daughter and fearing that he would be attacked decided to attack Oyo ile first. He successfully laid seige to oyo ile and after Oyo sucummbed to his siege, Ilorin walked in and destroyed Oyo Ile.

The most significant war between the Yoruba and Fulani was fought by the Ibadan who defeated the Fulani invasion army in 1840 at Osogbo. I challenge you to mention the wars in which the Fulani defeated the Oyo.

I guess laud mouthing is inherent with regard to the statement of pain and punishment. I have tempted you to give list of Yoruba officers after I supplied fractional compilation of Igbo officers in Nigerian armed forces as January 15, 1966. Since there is no goofy dingbat with such published statistics on the Internet, you have fallen flat on your face.

The art of denial and lying through the teeth is my beef in all these historical twists about the Nigeria/Biafra civil war. The 2nd and 3rd Divisions of the Nigerian army of 1966 were swelled by officers and ranks drawn from Yoruba, Edo, Itsekiri. Ishan, Urhobo, Ejagam, Ijo and Efik peeps in a calculated anticipation of invasion of Biafra by Nigeria. Again it is an art of buffoonery for anybody to ingest the idea that the aforementioned ethnic groups joined Nigeria as a result of Biafra’s incursion into mid-western region. This shameful conjecture is one of the reasons Nigeria will never amount to anything. The chronicle order of events has been recorded as they happened from July 29, 1966 to January 20, 1970 yet a person has audacious pedigree to tell bold lies in public.

Nigeria had declared war on Biafra on July 6, 1967. By July 27, 1967, elements of 3rd Division built up by men drawn from Yoruba, Edo, Itsekiri. Ishan, Urhobo, Ejagam, Ijo and Efik who were trained on the Escravos, Midwestern region, led by Adekunle with support of Nigerian naval flotillas commanded by Nelson Soroh had attacked and captured Bonny, Eastern region.

It is clear to even a blind man that Nigeria - Yoruba, Edo, Itsekiri. Ishan, Urhobo, Ejagam, Ijo and Efik had initiated invasion of Biafra with capture of Gakem, Obollo Afor, Enugu Ezike and Bonny by July 30, 1967 before Biafra reacted with its incursion into Nigeria by August 8, 1967. I guess in Yoruba counting of days and months, August comes before July. If not, I do not know how you arrived at the conclusion that Biafra initiated the attack.

As for Oyo ile, my data resourcefully informed that Oyo ile was sacked by Nupe and had nothing to do with Afonja debacle in Ilorin.

Cowards are born not manufactured. Like typical demeanor of human nature, cowards can also show spate of bravery that can stun a cagey veteran when deceptively incited. I have said and will continue to lament that the art of repeated and deliberate falsehood can never turn into truth. The silly side-mouthed talk of Yoruba land being occupied by northern regional soldiers in 1966 remains one of most damnable conjectures that surfaced during or after the Nigeria/Biafra civil war.

My educatiive assumption assertively indicated both 2nd and 3rd Divisions of Nigeria army of 1966 was filled to the brim mostly by officers and men from Yoruba, Edo, Ijo, Ishan, Ejegam, Efik, Urhobo and Itsekiri. It is akin to night that follows the day the most senior army officers of these divisions were Yoruba. It does not take less than three years to produce army officer of the rank, 2Lt in the army. Even there were brothers of the rank LT or higher that fought at the battle of Ore not to mention there were some brigade commanders of the rank majors and Lt Cols of Yoruba extraction yet loons would want us to believe Yoruba had nobody in uniform in 1966. I could bet that Yoruba had more officers in Nigerian army in 1966 than entire northern region.

There is no doubt Yoruba had suffered series of pitiful defeats in hands of Nupe and Fulani. Anybody who can remember the place of Oyo Ile, then capital of Oyo Empire, would agree with me on this plank. However, it is an igneous deception and borderline criminality to cite wrestling matches such as Kiriji the reason Yoruba lost its balls on the wee hours of the night when the son of the soil was murdered in the Ibadan, new Oyo ile, of Oyo/Oodua nation.

Katsumoto: In spite of all that, you failed to address the questions posed by PhysicsQED.
In typical fashion, you attempt to discredit others without supporting information, introduce irrelevant information, and fail to address the pertinent issues. See below again

I am of the view that you are vast enough to realize that Otu Edo was not a typical political party but an organization with strong political ramifications. All candidates from Otu Edo outfit contested the election under the platform of NCNC.

I said it before now that praise singers of Rochas Okorocha will blame the contractors when the first wave of rain storm hits Owerri. The people of Imo State do not know any contractor and may careless about what a contractor does but they know Rochas Okorocha whom they voted as governor of Imo State to take care of the contractual businesses of Imo State.

Katsumoto: If they are not frustrated, they are biased or they are anti-Biafran or they are stooges, or they are quacks. It never ends; you never accept other accounts that run counter to your positions.

PhysicsQED provided a writer from an individual named Ben Lawrence and you subsequently christened the writer Udo Udoma so as to be able to provide a rebuttal to a very just and legitimate question. There was no Udo Udoma in the write-up; please answer the questions properly. If you don'y know, just say you don't.

This is the reason I am not trigger-happy in pulling the craps from obscure essays to support my first hand facts. When one goofy or hack writer puts junk on the Internet, it becomes gospel according to Saints. The quotes PhysicsQED provided was copied from Udo Udoma who was NCNC decamped member, fooled by Awo, mercilessly beaten by primary school headmaster in regional election and ran back to NCNC.

One must understand that the leader of NCNC in eastern region of Nigeria about 1950 was not Zik but Eyo Ita. However, there was mutual respect and political understanding between politicians in NIP, UNP and NCNC.

PhysicsQED: Dede1,

If you have a better understanding of historical facts, I want you to verify something for me. In an article called "Revisiting Nigeria's Political History", a writer named Ben Lawrence made the following claim:

"Even then in 1951, only a few NCNC members won election to the Eastern House of Assembly on their party's ticket. In the old Calabar Province, for instance, the NCNC won two out of 13 seats. The two went to Professor Eyo Ita and an ally in Calabar Division,

the famous Mazi Mbonu Ojike, NCNC top brass and deputy mayor of Lagos, was beaten by Chief Ezerioha, an Independent, to whom with Chief Kingsley O, Mbadiwe (alias K. O.) tactically tagged to win a seat in Orlu Division. Reuben J. Uzoma, an Independent, also won from Orlu Division. So no NCNC man was elected from there, although they all later cast their lot with the party. [/b]In Onitsha, the hometown of Zik, the NCNC was floored. [b]Justice Louis Mbanefo, an Independent defeated NCNC candidate to the Eastern House and subsequently to the Central House of Assembly. Most of the Eastern victors swung to the NCNC to form the government because of the respect they had for Professor Eyo Ita, founder of the West African People's Institute (WAPI) Calabar, in the East. The Western Region was more politically organised on party basis and general franchise. The NCNC and its supposed allies thought they had 51 seats and that the Action Group and allies had 29 seats. But on that day of judgement at the inauguration of the Western House, the Action Group had 45 seats and the NCNC 35."

http://www.nigerdeltacongress.com/rarticles/revisiting%20nigerias%20political%20history.htm

I only want your analysis of the parts in bold and to confirm whether they're true. I don't care about whether Mr. Lawrence got the details right in the rest of this quote because it won't be relevant to my point.

In the part in bold he claims that independents defeated NCNC challengers and then later went with the NCNC when the government was formed.

You referenced the majority of Otu Edo going NCNC as if it were an indication that there was some preexisting agreement between all Otu Edo members and between the Otu Edo and the NCNC that all Otu Edo members would opt for the NCNC when the government was formed.

The issue here is, for the Eastern region, did these particular independents (Chief Ezerioha or Louis Mbanefo) have some preexisting agreement with the NCNC to swing to the NCNC upon successful election? And if there was some preexisting alliance with the NCNC before being elected, why compete directly against the NCNC's candidate for election? Wouldn't it make more sense to just contest directly as an NCNC man or to not run in order to cede the position to the NCNC's actual candidate?

I find this example (Chief Ezerioha's example, Louis Mbanefo's example) hard to reconcile with your insistence that those who eventually swung mostly to the NCNC in the west automatically had a real and acknowledged pre-existing agreement with the NCNC to opt for the NCNC upon election merely because of their political party - since we can see that some independents in the east that swung to the NCNC blocked and even defeated NCNC candidates in certain instances.

The bolded in the above post seemed to come from a frustrated Udo Udoma. It is a pity he referred to certain politicians as Independents when there was none. These so-called independents from eastern region, including Udo Udoma, were politicians who got upset with certain NCNC policies. They joined local parties such as NIP and UNP yet ran under the platform of NCNC. Those who ran on the platform of other national parties beside NCNC lost their deposit. It may interest you that Udo Udoma was such politician who later ran under AG and lost to primary school headmaster.

@rhymz

Bros, I do not bother posting such authentic masterpiece as you did in your last post because I really want these people to continue to wallow in the propaganda started in 1966 and continued till this day by Nigerians. It is not out-of-place to state unequivocally that northern, western, mid-western and non-Biafrans in eastern region were busy decorating lies and propaganda throughout the duration of Nigeria/Biafra civil war.

Sometimes it is very amazing to read conjectural craps most Nigerians put up as facts.

PhysicsQED: You seem convinced that S.O. Ighodaro carpet crossed because people said he did. Wouldn't it make more sense to show that he actually had some pre-existing arrangement to contest as an NCNC member than to just continually assert that he carpet crossed because people said he did?

If he said he was not an NCNC member before the election, which he did, I don't see what point you have.

I do believe that tribalism is better than distortion of historical facts for cheap political reasons. Did it occur to you that Humphrey Omo-Osagie was not a member of NCNC? Have you pressured yourself to inquire why majority of Otu Edo representatives ended up in NCNC fold in Ibadan?

Having read and researched deeply the political history of the cesspit called Nigeria, the most humanistic thing to do about sorry state of Nigeria is disintegration. I guess some truth will surface if all or most ethnic groups in Nigeria go their different ways for a new beginning.

PhysicsQED: Do you actually know what S.O. Ighodaro's political views were prior to the 1951 election and whether he leaned toward the NCNC or the AG?

Get that book and find out. If he stated that he leaned towards the AG before the election, which he did, and denied being a member of the NCNC, which he did, then I don't see what the issue is as far as him "carpet crossing". The only issue seems to be that he didn't tell the two other representatives (Humphrey Omo-Osagie and Chike Ekwuyasi) of Otu Edo contesting alongside him that he was for the AG, but he did state that he was not an NCNC member before the election.

Ighodaro was the Iyase of Benin for a long time after serving in the Western Region's government, so I don't know what you mean by persona non-grata.

Did the book actually inform you about the modalities of the elections in 1951?

Katsumoto: You have started again with beer parlour gist; T9ksy has been waiting for your own results of the 'cross carpeting' incident for over a year now.

Please post your results or forever hold your peace.

Barrister Samuel Osarogie Ighodaro, first Benin Lawyer and later, Iyase of Benin.

Katsumoto: So many ignorant people on NL; even if they are ignorant, using logic can also help in analysing a scenario.

Awo was charged with Treasonable felony in November 1962 and sentenced in September 1963

In March 1966, Awo wrote to Ironsi from prison asking to be released but was ignored by Ironsi. Between January 1966 and July 1966, Ironsi was Head of State and Ojukwu was Governor of the Eastern region.

Gowon was sworn-in in the evening of July 30 1966 but made his announcement as Head of state of August 1st.

Obafemi Awolowo was released from prison on the 8th of August 1966; exactly 1 week after Gowon's ascension. Awo was driven to Ikenne in Murtala Mohamed's car.

On the 8th of August 1966, who was paying the wages of the Warden at the Federal Prison in Calabar? Was it not Gowon? Who was also paying Ojukwu's salary as the Governor of the Eastern region?

Ojukwu wants us to believe that while he was in power with another Igbo as Head of State for 6 months, he could not release Awo from prison but could release Awo from prison exactly one week after a new government, one which he did not recognise, headed by Gowon was formed.

Ojukwu could not have released Awo from prison because he didn't have the powers to do so. He was only being an opportunist when he made that claim.

The Yoruba soldiers released by Ojukwu were released after the war started in 1967 and all stayed in Biafra to fight on the Biafran side.

What information do you expect undiscerning onlooker to draw from the above the post about the Gowon, Speech and signing of instrument of pardon for Awolowo and other?

PhysicsQED: ACM10,

The 1951 tribally motivated "carpet-crossing" myth was debunked in long detail in an article called "In Defence of History" by Odia Ofeimun decades ago. It is included as an appendix to the book Awo & Nigeria (1984) by Ebenezer Babatope. Get that book from a library somewhere and read the article in its entirety at the end.

Please do not go there with you slide show. I read about on Benin dude or Edo man who was also involved in the carpet-crossing incident. Due to the Chief’s selfish indulgence, the people of Benin declared him and his family politically persona non grata in Benin till today.

Katsumoto: I caught you out in a BIG lie; you stated that Gowon, in his speech on the 1st of August, conceded that he had no right to exercise over the Eastern region. And now that I have posted Gowon's speech, you claim it is crap. Why is it crap? Is this not the speech in question? What deducted reasoning do you need to interprete a speech? He may have been a mere colonel to you but he was the HOS of Nigeria and he ruled Nigeria for longer than any other in Nigeria's history.

You seemed to have issue with your facts. In the alleged Gowon speech you posted, he did not address himself as Head of State (HOS). Instead he made the public broadcast as Army Chief of Staff.

My question remains does an army chief of staff have the authority to signed an instrument of pardon for convicted felons in Nigeria? My response was to one of youe posts which indicated Gowon signed an instrument of pardon for Awolowo and others during his August 1, 1966 public broadcast.

Katsumoto: See Gowon's speech on 1st August below, please find where he stated that he didn't have control of the Eastern region. All he said was that there were no violent incidents in Enugu and Benin.



This is Lt-Col. Y. Gowon, Army Chief of Staff, speaking to you.



My fellow countrymen, the year 1966 has certainly been a fateful year for our beloved country, Nigeria. I have been brought to the position today of having to shoulder the great responsibilities of this country and the armed forces with the consent of the majority of the members of the Supreme Military Council as a result of the unfortunate incident that occurred on the early morning of 29th July 1966.



However, before I dwell on the sad issue of 29th July 1966, I would like to recall to you the sad and unfortunate incidents of 15th January 1966 which bear relevance. According to the certain well-known facts, which have so far not been disclosed to the nation and the world, the country was plunged into a national disaster by the grave and unfortunate action taken by a section of the Army against the public. By this I mean that a group of officers, in conjunction with certain civilians, decided to overthrow the legal government of the day; but their efforts were thwarted by the inscrutable discipline and loyalty of the great majority of the Army and the other members of the armed forces and the police. The Army was called upon to take up the reins of government until such time that law and order had been restored. The attempt to overthrow the government of the day was done by eliminating political leaders and high-ranking Army officers, a majority of whom came from a particular section of the country. The Prime Minister lost his life during this uprising. But for the outstanding discipline and loyalty of the members of the Army who are most affected, and the other members of the armed forces and the police, the situation probably could have degenerated into a civil war.



There followed a period of determined effort of reconstruction ably shouldered by Maj-Gen. J. T. U. Aguiyi-Ironsi but, unfortunately, certain parties caused suspicion and grave doubts of the Government’s sincerity in several quarters. Thus, coupled with the already unpleasant experience of the 15th January still fresh in the minds of the majority of the people, certain parts of the country decided to agitate against the military regime which ad hitherto enjoyed country-wide support. It was, unfortunately, followed by serious rioting and bloodshed in many cities and towns in the north.



There followed a period of uneasy calm until the early hours of 29th July 1966, when the country was once again plunged into another very serious and grave situation, the second in seven months. The position on the early morning of 29th July was a report from Abeokuta garrison, that there was a mutiny and that two senior and one junior officers from a particular section of the country were killed. This soon spread to Ibadan and Ikeja. More casualties were reported in these places. The Supreme Commander was by this time at Ibadan attending the natural rulers’ conference and was due to return on the afternoon of 29th July. The Government Lodge was reported attacked and the last report was that he and the West Military Governor were both kidnapped by some soldiers. Up till now, there is no confirmation of their whereabouts. The situation was soon brought under control in these places. Very shortly afterward, at about the same time, there was a report that there were similar disturbances among the troops in the North, and that a section of the troops had taken control of all military stations in the North as well. The units of Enugu and the garrison at Benin were not involved. All is now quiet and I can assure the public that I shall do all in my power to stop any further bloodshed and to restore law, order and confidence in all parts of the country with your co-operation and goodwill.



I have now come to the most difficult part, or the most important part, of this statement. I am doing it, conscious of the great disappointment and heartbreak it will cause all true and sincere lovers of Nigeria and of Nigerian unity both at home and abroad, especially our brothers in the Commonwealth.



As a result of the recent events and the other previous similar ones, I have come to strongly believe that we cannot honestly and sincerely continue in this wise, as the basis of trust and confidence in our unitary system of government has not been able to stand the test of time. I have already remarked on the issues in question. Suffice to say that, putting all considerations to test-political, economic, as well as social-the base for unity is not there or is so badly rocked, not only once but several times. I therefore feel that we should review the issue of our national standing and see if we can help stop the country form drifting away into utter destruction. With the general consensus of opinion of all the Military Governors and other members of the Supreme and Executive Council, a decree will soon be issued to lay a firm foundation of this objective. Fellow countrymen, I sincerely hope we shall be able to resolve most of the problems that have disunited us in the past and really come to respect and trust one another in accordance with an all-round code of good conduct and etiquette.



All foreigners are assured of their personal safety and should have no fear of being molested.

I intend to continue the policy laid down in the statement by the Supreme Commander on 16th January 1966 published on 26th January 1966.



We shall also honour all international treaty obligations and commitments and all financial agreements and obligations entered into by the previous government. We are desirous of maintaining good diplomatic relationships with all countries. We therefore consider any foreign interference in any form will be regarded as an act of aggression.



All members of the armed forces are requested to keep within their barracks except on essential duties and when ordered from SHQ. Troops must not terrorise the public, as such action will discredit the new National Military Government. Any act of looting or sabotage will be dealt with severely. You are to remember that your task is to help restore law and order and confidence in the public in time of crisis.



I am convinced that with your co-operation and understanding, we shall be able to pull the country out of its present predicament. I promise you that I shall do all I can to return to civil rule as soon as it can be arranged. I also intend to pursue most vigorously the question of the release of political prisoners. Fellow countrymen, give me your support and I shall endeavour to live up to expectations. Thank you.

If you quit posting craps from Nowa Omoigui and pay more attention to deductive reasoning than not, you could save us all the headache of reading junks. When did a mere Lt Col and Army Chief of Staff have the authority to sign an instrument of pardon for convicted felons in Nigeria?

@ ACM10

Please do not waste your precious time on acute revisionists with deliberate mode of denial of facts and commission. I could not stop laughing when the poster wrote about logic when, in fact, he failed to proffer iota of logicality when citing the so-called public broadcast by Gowon to Nigerians on August 1, 1966 in which Gowon said he has no control over eastern region.

Is it not plain idiotic for one to sign an instrument of pardon for Awolowo and others when such person has also informed the entire public he has no control over the region where the aforementioned convicts were imprisoned?

shymmex: ^^^^Dede1 and his pseudo-history... Bwahahahaha

This is going to get to 27pages!

You seemed to be allergic to simple truth hence your ill-informed utterance of pseudo-history. Someone has previously loaded you with misguided sense of logic or lack thereof of signin an instrument of pardon for Awolowo and others when the signer does not have authority over the territory in question.

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I am so happy that Yoruba people and non-Biafran southerners have congregated here again to unload irresponsible falsehood about the events of July 29, 1966 to May 29, 1967.

It is unfortunate Yoruba peeps who are shouting their voices hoax about broadcast of August 1, 1966 made by Gowon failed to see the damning politics in signing the release of Awolowo from prison when on the same broadcast, Gowon informed anybody with ears that he (Gowon) did not have control over eastern region of Nigeria.

It is only a moronic dingbat will accept the fact that Lt Col Ejoor, Commodore Wey and Lt Col Hassan Katsina constituted the executive council that anointed Gowon the Head of State.

It would have been balanced art of contortion if these deluded revisionists have iota of decency to mention to undiscerning onlookers on the board that Lt Col Ojukwu issued a counter radio broadcast to the one Gowon gave on August 1, 1966.

You people are great and it is very refreshing to read your inherent interest in Igbo highlife music. I love the following outfits and songs

Eastern minstrel Band
Eastern Brothers that metamorphosed in Oriental Brothers in Lagos.
Joe Nze
Peacocks (Abiriwa)
Osadebe
Oliver DiCoque
Skylarks
Ali Chukwuma (Alice Nwanyi muu)
Oriental Brothers
Ikengas in London (Asampete Nwanyi Oma)
Adaure by Cardinal Rex-Lawson
Abaraka
Ikenga Superstars
Mike Ejeagha
Celestine Ukwu
Douglas Ederi Chukwueke (Olariche Supersonic)

[quote author=norabenok ]Fashola, it is not a perception that the southeast area is marginalised through state creation, it is true. State creation was meant to redistribute development funds to all over Nigeria. To that regard, education of future generations should be Nigeria's priority number one. Today, the number of students in one state in the southeast by far outnumbers the total number from six northwest states. Put the other way, the southeast is under funded and its area getting underdeveloped due to its five-states only structure. But the southeast gives its oil and gas revenues to Nigeria. People in the area are under represented in Nigeria's polity. Those southeast people who live in Lagos must resort to the 5 states in the southeast for anything in Nigeria. So is Fashola not selfish by suggesting creating of LGAs instead of new states? A sixth state in the southeast must be created now. As for immunity, whoever his hands are clear must not be afraid of the law.[/quote]Not Six, Bros. It should be seven for southeast zone to equal number of states in one certain political zone in the jungle. If the all states in certain zone are economically unviable, what political concern or headache does it give to Fashola, Lagos State or Southwest zone? Why are Nigerians so insecure and ridiculously selfish?

I guess when Nigeria slide into the path of disintegration, Fashola will mount the political pulpit to tell agitators their nation will not be viable economically. Please someone should inform Fashola to stop using one brush to paint every item on a political block.

Germannig: Some Igbos are really styypid locating expensive ventures outside Igboland in an inflammable society like Nigeria. All the Boko Haram bombings and the signs that Nigeria may break up means nothing to them? There are very few cardiac centers in Nigeria and no matter the location within Nigeria, Nigerians who will not be able to travel overseas for medical matters will patronize it. Why not build it in the SE? How many Yorubas and northerners build things outside their regions?

You have spoken well bros. Most Igbo people are irredeemably deluded about the concept called Nigeria. Sometimes, I give it up to Yoruba people. When flood rushes under the bridge in Nigeria, a downcast Nwankwo Kanu shall be looking for help in Owerri, Enugu, Awka, Umuahia, Igwe Ocha, Asaba or Abakiliki. If a bystander rightfully informs him to go to Abuja for help, knowing full well that Abuja or northern region is no-go area; people will term the bystander as wicked person.

All these sacking and appointing are clear examples that Nigeria is a piece of joke. I could not stop laughing when I read that minister of defense was also sacked for internal disorder.

The president should have established internal security apparatus with fangs. I remembered when GEJ fired the minister of interior and I wondered if there was any security group controlled by the minister. In real countries, interior ministry controls the crack outfits such as internal wing of KGB, M15 etc.

Fashola has exemplified one of the reasons Nigeria tends to gravitate towards the area of greater disorder. The main reason why Nigerians opted for democratic system of government is its basic adherence to equality of all men before the political process. If mere viability of certain area is the reason we choose a particular system of government, democracy will board last.

Therefore it is an art of political irresponsibility for Fashola to adduce viability as a major precursor for state creation.

[quote author=Dudu_Negro]Dede, if this is true, then it would mean that the level of corruption which formed the basis for the Igbo coup plot and assassinations was present in the formations which constituted the power coalition/partnership in close ratio numbers; and hence the grievance and unleash of guns and bullets should equally have claimed those it did, in addition to Igbos. So why were there no Igbo casualty if indeed Igbo enjoyed equitable partnership in government and corruption?[/quote]One of the redundant problems you seemed to embrace is to paint the issue of January 15, 1966 episode in tribal colors. I shall not attempt to hold brief for the January 15, 1966 army boys but will try to proffer educated reasons. Unlike your wild assumption on the ratio of ministers in NCNC and ethnicity, more Yoruba would have been killed than Igbo because of the number of Yoruba ministers under NCNC and NPC/NNDP agreement. 1966 NCNC was not all about Igbo.

However, I honestly think the coup plotters targeted ministries and individuals they thought precipitated much nepotism, financial improprieties and fanned ember of tribalism in Nigeria.

T9ksy: Haba dendirin, why do you find it so difficult to answer a simple question?

I repeat, did Zik not formed a union with the NPC, as a junior partner? YES or NO?

WHEN was Ademoyega recruited into the coup plan and WHAT task was he given?

Didn't ask you about any book or the title thereof.

Olodo ni Dendirin, NCNC and NPC formed a coalition government as equal partners. Other than the post of Prime Minister, NCNC had more ministers with portfolio than NPC. There was nothing such as junior or senior partnership in the coalition government erected by NCNC and NPC.
You have made me believed you have issues with factual facts. By the way, I urge you to read more about the tangibles during coalition government between NCNC and NPC than lazing around and loud mouthing.

quid: I remember when Saro-Wiwa and other Ogoni leaders were killed by Abacha, most elderly people in the SE were like ,"What goes around comes around". I never understood until I found out Saro-Wiwa's involvement in the Abandoned Property poo after the civil war.

Until Southern tribes negotiate their co-existence, they will keep selling each other out and whining about their evident foolishness and lack of political sagacity.

There is nothing to negotiate among southern Nigeria’s ethnic groups. It must be to your tents all ethnic groups. Ndigbo must be ready to fight for Igbo land and must engage in more aggressive measures in the face of Nigeria disintegration.

T9ksy: You are not only an "agbaya" but also an olodo to boot. Despite all your turenchi, you still failed to answer a simple True or False question.Bottomline is, Zik and his NCNC party formed a union with the sardunna's party (NPC) as a junior partner inspite of the open hatred the latter display towards southerners especially ibos. That is a fact which even you with all your proclivity for revisionism can't rewrite.

As for Ademoyega, yes he was not ibo but can you tell us when he was recruited and what operational task was he given? Afterall, he was a Major

too, like the rest of the main coupists.


@ PointB, can you post here what SLS has to say about your people?.

If you are not agbaya kobo kobo, you are definitely an olodo from Ota. I guess you and the moronic hack writer thought 1957 was 1959 after the federal election that decided the strength of each political party in what shall become Nigeria.

As for Ademoyega, he was even dangled as one of the “Five Majors”, a title to one of the books that gave explicit account of the events that took place in 1966.

740megawatts: Why do some people like derailing threads on NL? It is evident that this write-up has been conclusively summarised in the last two paragraphs.



TRUE OR FALSE?



TRUE OR FALSE?

If your answer is true, then it follows the heart of this write-up. However, if you think it is false, please back it up with facts and figures of the period mentioned, not with an over-flogged write-up of Mallam Sanusi which is not representative of the 1957 and 1966 era as presented above. Shikena!!!

If you deemed the 1957 crap included in the skewed essay as remotely truth, then you are truly a Nigerian. In 1957 constitutional conference for Nigeria’s independence, the northern region never threatened secession but indicated it was not ready for full regional autonomy talk less of signing off on independence for entire Nigeria. Even though Lennox Boyed seemed more to agree with northern region, both western and eastern delegates threatened to walk out of the conference. When the next conference was scheduled towards the end of 1957, Zik indicated his absence to the meeting and it was postponed to 1958.

Of course, the planning of January 15, 1966 was not exclusively executed by young Igbo amry officers as the hack writer would want us to believe. I guess Major Ademoyega was Igbo too.

@OP

The post is an arrant nonsense from hack writer who is enemy of the Ndigbo. There shall never be a socio-political unity among southerners in Nigeria. Seeing the concluding part of this conjectural crap reinforced the zeal in me to call Ndigbo to stand up for a United Igbo Republic.

This ninny thought by repeating falsehood, a truth is made.