@wallg123,

Thanks a lot for this explanation and reassurance. My mind is at rest now.

wallg123:

It shouldn’t be a problem since you’ve already uploaded the expired passport.Your ILR comes as a card. So they don’t need your new passport. If they’ll ask for extra forms of identification if they need any… all the best

Hello Wonderful people in the house,

Please any advise on what to do if new nigerian e-passport has not come as at when one wants to apply for ILR? We have done biometrics and still waiting for passports but while filling the ILR form, i indicated that new passport is delayed and gave the reasons, i also said I'll upload new passports as soon as its delivered and at the "compulsory documents to be submitted section", it asked to submit old passports. Just want to know if this will not be an issue because i won't want passports to affect the 28 day rule.

Hello @humblemoi,

I went online and used the below link and it was really helpful. It will ask you questions like when visa was issued, when you entered physically and BRP expiry and calculate when you should start the ILR application. It corresponded with what @Demoore advised.

https://immigrationstory.uk/en-gb/tools/ilr-calculator

humblemoi:
Hi People,

May I ask if there's a form of calculator to know when it is best to apply for ILR?
Or when do you recommend making the application?

I am asking on the basis that, the date of first issue and entry are weeks apart.

Thanks.

Thanks a lot Demoore, I actually read from page 1 but my confusion was the expiry date on my BRP cos i was aiming to apply 28 days b4 BRP expiry.

Really appreciate your response and explanations.

Demoore:


Hi deebaby05,

Congrats in advance, you are nearly there.

You are eligible to apply for ILR Set M 28 days before the 5th year anniversary of your ARRIVAL in the UK. I suggest you aim to apply between 26 - 20 days before your 5years anniversary. All the best.

PS: I encourage you to read this thread from the beginning as the question you asked has been previously answered on page 2.

Good day wonderful people in the house! Congrats to those that have scaled the ILR and naturalisation hurdle and goodluck to those of us coming behind.
Please i need an urgent clarification, i and my kids will be 60 months in Dec 2022 but expiry on our BRP is May 2023. When can we apply for the ILR? 28 days b4 Dec 2022 or 28days b4 expiry on BRP. Really confused.

Thanks

I checked out University of Worcester and their deposit is NOT £500. Their deposit is 50% of tuition fees.

Futureukstudent:
wow...just like university of Worcester. Their deposit is 500pounds and also flexible in payment. And their offer too is same day of applying. I am also surprised people aren't talking about it here too

@chrisj2,

You are right and correct concerning all the points you listed below. how many years i be for UK nau, African mentality still dey my head ooo lol, still trying to shed off some.

And they wouldn't know private university from the government and also read my mind to know i won't pay such amount for her to japa while still a student , I'll rather wait for her to finish and use the remaining visa validity to japa lol but ppl have done that before and worse sef , i even know somebody that came thru school to UK and spent well over 3.5M to agent and didn't even step foot in the school,

Ahhh chrisj2, i only budgeted £750 for her trip ooooo, e never reach her 1 year upkeep, e remain small sha if we use oanda.lol. No be our naira wey no get shame and value?

I think getting a visit visa after university without a job earning 6 figures will be harder, don't you think?

Thanks chrisj2, you are appreciated.

chrisj2:
I am sorry to say that your niece is not an immediate close member of your family. Your siblings and your parents and children if any abroad comes first.

I think you are looking at it from a Nigerian or African point of view... Your niece could be from your father side or mother side and they could be numerous...

The fact that you are responsible for this person in the African way does not change the ties to you and the way the ECO look at things...

Just imagine: you have said this person is being looked after by yourself and parents are no longer but you want to spend more than she needs in a year for a 12 days visit.

Being in University or even 1 month to the exam is not a strong enough ties on its own. Giving the state of Nigerian universities and the constant strikes, it is not unreasonable that someone can still japa from the country. We have had students come on sports or cultural visits that refused to return or even Olympians.

Save the money you want to spend now and take good care of her in Nigeria and invite her when she finished her university.

Easter hols travelling for 12 days is not essential travel for her or the UK - again, sorry! Times are different now.

*Was there no tourism and visit in the rejection letter

@ giselle237, thanks a mil.

Really it's after some thing has happened then we start regretting. I made a mistake saying the truth that her parents are late but i didn't want anything to come back and bite me so i said the truth.

She's in final year (year 4)and will be having her convocation in November and i plan to be there, she'll graduate before Christmas and her final exams will be in July 2021, what can be done in this case? I will definitely rake loads of pictures.

I told her we'll likely reapply in 6 months time so we can build up the monthly upkeep i send to her and yes i pay her school fees, couldn't get previous receipts from my Stanbic app, could only get some from GT and others kept saying couldn't retrieve details but i tried to generate my statements and it worked so that will come handy next. I pay her fees direct to the school account.

We actually submitted a detailed letter from the school with her school ID card and i submitted pictures from when she was in primary and secondary school together but i guess it's the no ties back home but am the only tie she really has.

I'll see about the job aspect that is if we don't go the student visa route cos i don't want a 2nd refusal record ontop visit jare

Please do you have any input concerning what they mean about the accommodation?

Thanks giselle, i really appreciate your extensive write up.

giselle237:

Sorry about this.
Her parents could have been her ties but sadly they are late but this does not stop anything.
What year is she in now?
And how long is her course in Nigeria for?
If it is a 4 year course, apply for her to come during the Christmas holidays of the 4 year course... like before her final papers.
Basically hang on the fact that she has studied for almost 4 years and is about to bag her degree and will certainly not throwaway those years to come and become an illegal in the Uk.
Pending this time, build up facts of financials been from you to her.
Say monthly u send her upkeep money for all months of the years till whenever u want to apply for d visa.
Also who pays her sch fees?
U can also do same for her fees. Like have paper eveidnece of this payment and anyothe rpayment that connects her school.

Then she should get introduction letter from her school stating when she started the course, how long she has been in d schl, what course she is in and when she is graduting.
They shud also state that she has no academic or financial deficiencies.
Also have her attach all her school reports, id card, schl payments and every and anythin that shows this school has been on for years. Basically let them know that her graduation is in few weeks or perhaps few months and she can’t throwaway all these hardwork for nothing..
this is her tie to Nigeria, bleed it very well..

If u have pictures together before her parents died or after, add all this to ur case

She can also get a part time job as a student.. or if u have a company or friend who has a company acct that can be payin her monthly for part time work this will also show her commitment to Nigeria. Did her parents leave any property in her name? House or car or anything at all? Provide this.. this shows she will come back to Nigeria, it ties her to the country.

If you can even come back to Nigeria before her next application, do come back and take lots of pictures with her. Indicate this in d application, that due to the denial u had to fly in to see her because she is your family and family rights are essential.
Also write a cover letter letting the home office know all these things and that u have no reason to want to keep her in the country illegally. Tht u feel bad and responsible and just want her to come for a holiday to take off stress from school and other things.
U have to come from all angles.

Thanks chrisj2,

This is actually my next plan. (wink wink � ) I know ooo, she actually was missing her cousins and e no easy to carry myself and 4 kids go naija, thats big gbese ooo with ILR around the corner so i felt it will be cheaper for one person to come rather than 5 ppl going.



quote author=chrisj2 post=99539522]Instead of the Home office or UK government to say that they only want essential travellers coming in just like they say to their own people wanting to travel out... They are not advisng that on their Visa website (are they?); Instead they are suckering people into applying for visas when the majority will be rejected one way or the other.

If they did not reject on finances, they will go for ties or doubts as to whether the person will return to Nigeria or no tourism taking place or any other reason or reasons.

The best way to get your niece is to wait for her to finish her university education and then sponsor her as a student - wink wink; if you know, you know[/quote]

@chrisj2

Thanks for your input. We actually submitted a letter from her school to show she's still in school and fees already paid. Plans was for her come during the Easter period hence why we put arrival and departure datrs around then.

I never mentioned tourism but to visit family in the invitation letter. We have ppl that are in the university and got visas, its just unfortunate she was refused.

Please i want to know which other family member is closer than a niece? This is a girl am paying her fees and monthly upkeep. The reason i kept it to 12 days was because she will have to go back to school and i thought staying more will be a red flag if we've said she's in school, don't you think?

I applied for her with the knowledge that being in school will help as she'll be graduating soon and we might not get a letter from the school. we've been apart for more than 3 years now, she has always lived with me with both mom and dad late.


Anyway, i believe it is what it is with UK and their visas.

chrisj2:
Inviting someone of University age outside the main summer holidays is a red flag in my opinion.

It is probably more her age and no concrete ties to Nigeria which you have unfortunately stated inadvertently in your post here too...

Why would she return back to Nigeria after just 12 days visit.

If you are going to invite a family member for a visit - they have to be closer than your niece and not for just 12 days - what can be achieved in 12 days.

Also tourism was mentioned - no need to mention that during this present pandemic period...

Sorry!

It is not that straightforward as you having the money or accommodation to support your family member.

Applying for visit or tourist visa now is likely going to be refused. I mentioned this months ago

Dear all,
I applied for my niece to visit me and my family but she was refused. The reasons are funny and really i cannot understand what they wanted. I said she was coning to visit family and not tourism. I included some of the transfers i made to her for her upkeep and also a transfer to the school for her school fees to show that her school fees has been paid and she'sdefinitely going back to finish her studies. Am really sad because am all she's got as her mum my sister and her father are both late.

I thought if one is sponsoring another and listed the person as unemployment cos she's still a student, then its the sponsors record they look at but they are looking at her own financial situation and accomodation and i stated truthfully that when she's not in school, she stays at my late fathers house, a family house.

Please i need advise incase of reapplication which i don't plan to do anytime soon.

Thanks giselle237,

I was finally able to upload the documents using my phone. Don't know why i couldn't using my desktop. So do i still need to scan and send all the documents to my niece via mail so she can print them and take along to TLS for the biometrics?

You are well appreciated for dedicating yourself to answering questions without pay. Lol

giselle237:

U have to log in through the email u were sent when you paid. Not to go to tls page urself, log in from the email and you will be able to access tls platform.

And if u still dnt understnd, u dnt need to send any documents to Nigeria tho, everythin used is scan copy sir/ma. Simply scan to whoever will be using it and that’s all. Physical documents are not collected anymore.

Hello Oggg/all,

I was able to get an appointment date for self service but can't upload, the upload link on TLScontact is asking for username and password and no where to register for that. Please am i doing anything wrong? Or should i just amend the appointment and pay for assisted but then that means i have to send all the documents to nigeria. Please help ooo as i haven't invited anybody b4.

Thanks

Oggg:

Physical documents are not needed. Only scanned copies will do.

Oh, thank you soo much.

Oggg:

Physical documents are not needed. Only scanned copies will do.

Good day wonderful ppl,

I have finished everything concerning my niece's application to visit , all my documents are here with me and she has a letter from her university with her but am wondering if it's a must to courier my payslips, tenancy agreement, Invitation letter etc to her in naija though I've done all the upload here. If yes, pls any advice on which courier to use cos i googled and saw royal mail which is closer to me.

Thanks for all suggestions and advice.

giselle237, you are wonderful, thanks and pls accept my virtual hugsss. If i catch you, you'll get real hugs

giselle237:

If she is over 18, she is meant to complete her form or at least allude to doing so....
as for the rest of your questions, you are on the right track.

Hello good people,

Please i need a quick help, am filling the form for my niece to come for a visit, at the declaration part should i declare that she's the one submitting the form as she's over 18 or pick that am submitting the form for her? Also is total of £750 ok to put as amount to use in sponsoring her, am just buying her ticket and small change for get to buy stuffs when going back to naija.

Also since she's a student and has no savings to sponsor herself can i put £1 in the question that asked how much she had personally, can't skip and it's not accepting 0?

Thanks

Thanks a lot mimilyrics, my thought too

mimilyrics:
Select temporary since your current leave is time-limited and not indefinite.

Good people in the house, pls i need a clarification. Am planning to invite my niece in the university for a visit and am on FLR, a question in the form wants to know if am on temporary visa or on a permanent stay in the UK, am confused which to tick though am thinking its temporary since i haven't gotten my indefinite yet. Pls help. Thanks

@ tayeby78
I will suggest your hubby go online and fill the form for "If your BRP has not arrived "on gov.uk/brp as it is more than 10 days after getting the decision letter. I got our BRPs before the decision letter, can you imagine? But cos there was validity error, had to send the cards back to be cancelled and 4 days after got the re-issued cards cos they said the cards will come within 7 days.

tayeby78:
Will post our support letter here in due course.

Please Lamakinde have you received your BRp yet? Its been over 2 weeks and hubby hasn't received it yet and he has emailed and called the.. how long did yours take after you got the approval letter/email?

@Lamakinde
Thanks a lot for this.This is why this forum is da bomb!!! I no waste time at all, i have applied for me and my 3 dependants . I sure hope they come thru unlike the scam they pulled saying free 1 year visa for NHS and healthcare workers meanwhile they already pegged the free visa for just 3,000 people so na first come, first served.

Lamakinde:
If you work in the Health care sector, please try to apply for your refund as long as you worked between March 2020 to October 2020. See caption below. You are eligible for 200 pounds and also able to claim another six months later.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigration-health-surcharge-applying-for-a-refund

I beg Aphrodite007 no keee me with laugh oooo, infact my belle dey pain me with laugh. Dem no kukuma get shame at all, nothing concern them but to suck all the suckables anyhow but i dey beg everything and every beggables, make e no reach 4k per person, na serious gbege be dat oooo for me and my ducklings 4x£4k =£16k ahhhhh Godforbid the devil. Ha ha ha ha ha but come ooo is it every year they increase the fees?

Aphrodite007:


I like that idea of saving towards it. Before we reach that time and you hear that the fee is now 4K per person Shame is no longer catching them, they have seen desperate cows to milk

Yes, you are right cos i read on an immigration site that for ILR application, you need to present both B1 test of English and the Life in the UK test.

You are funny about donations ooo, me with my batallion need more than donations ooo, we need humanitarian aid abi na gofundme sef go good? Lord help us all! ������� We'll get there. Immediately after i applied for the FLR, i started saving monthly using Loqbox and moneybox, don't want to start panicking close to that time and i need discipline else one thing or the other will keep taking the money out of my account.

deept:


you need the life in the UK test to apply for both the ILR and naturalization. But if you do it once, it will cover for both since i does not expire

You need to prove your english proficiency for all applications, don't know which english proficiency test you need to do because i never used test but it is required at all stages. i used Naric for spouse and FLR (same one) and i plan to use it for my ILR in next year, na application money i dey try gather now. Donations are welcome

I thought you need to do the B1 for ILR. Is the Life in the UK test not for Naturalisation and citizenship application? Which i learnt you can do that anytime b4 the Naturalisation application because it doesn't have an expiry date. From my findings, you need B1 for ILR application and Life in the UK for naturalisation/citizenship application.

Pls enlighten me, can you use the Life in the UK test for both ILR and naturalisation? If yes, then that's good, not that one will do B1 and then do Life in the Uk test again, all these tests sef.

deept:


congratulations, ILR should be same docs+ life in the UK test

Yes you are right @Aphrodite007, i actually thought i was expected to exhaust the 42 months, JJC like me but the customer service staff explained that i could apply for ILR once am 60 months or wait 28days b4 the date on my BRP expires and enjoy the dash but at the end of the day, i got a mail from FHR2 that the validity on the BRPs were wrong so to send them back and be issued new ones. They actually sent 3 BRPs instead of 4 BRPs, they stopped the generation of the 4th one when they discovered their error.

Aphrodite007:


I think she just assumed that they expected her to exhaust the 42 months before applying for the ILR. Someone explained to her that she just has to do her 60 months to make the ILR application, irrespective of the extra 11 months they dashed her.

Thank God we are hardworking people and don't give up easily so will always disappoint them. We are here to stay and give our kids a better life and not their fault, abi, na our country with very bad uncaring, wicked leaders cause am. Meanwhile na we dey work the work for here pass. corona or not. Immigrants full the health sector. You know they promised Health workers 1 years free visa extension? Well it was kind of a scam cos they still said a lot of people were not eligible quoting some silly reasons, they only planned to give just 3000 people the free extension and once they reach that number, no more.

Increasing the IHS just like that even with the current situation of cut hours, no jobs was not fair at all, very insensitive. My saving Grace was that i applied b4 the increase, how i for do with 3 children, that means extra £2,240 ontop £8,208 plus paid appointment £276. This people dey actually milk us, all we work, na for dem pocket. It is well ooo my dear. Tkia

Aphrodite007:


As in! Home Office just sat down and said, “let’s milk the immigrants dry! Even though most of them have lost their jobs. If they can’t afford it, they should go back!”



Thanks love. I figured out that was what happened. It is well.

The IHS was increased from £400 a year to £624 from October 2020 so for 2.5 years, it's £1560. Really sad but can we refuse to pay? Take heart, it's well.

Aphrodite007:
Hi @lamakinde

Is it right to be charged 1560 for the IHS of the flr(m) visa?

The same website says that it’s 400 per year. And the flr(m) is for 2.5 (right?), so I expected that I would pay £1000, not this £1560 that I’m seeing.

don't worry it will be ok. You'll get your reply soon. Did you use the App? I used the appointment centre and got our BRPs less than 3 weeks after biometrics. A friend that used the app is yet to get a response too and he applied online since June.

tayeby78:
Congratulations@lamakinde. My Brother ibnlaw who applied in April just got his extension email yesterday as well.....we that we applied in July are still waiting. Please pray for us

Funny thing happened to me... visa was to expire 24th August, i applied for myself and 3 kids a week before but couldn't get an appointment till September 23rd and this was paid for, so ontop of the huge amount £8.2k, added £276 for paid appointment, no problem, God dey. You won't believe, not up to 3 weeks later, we got 3 BRPs in the mail dated 7th October instead of 4 BRPs. Really fast and no decision letter or mail as others received but i noticed that the validity on the BRPs was 42 months instead of 30 months making my route 6yrs+ instead of 5 years. I was shocked so i sent a mail to the email provided if there's issue with BRP validity and reply was that we don't fall under the category for Administrative review and gave me number to call, called the number and the lady said, the extra 12 months on my validity doesn't matter, that i could choose to apply for ILR when i complete 5 years or b4 the validity expires which could give me time to save and i also asked about my daughters missing BRP. She said it will come, that though we applied as a family, they are treated individually.


Dear Mrs W

RE:

Further to your email to the Admin Review Team.

 

Please note that this mailbox is only for use by applicants who have applied for leave to enter or remain in the UK under the following main categories:

 

Tier 1, 2 or 5 Migrant under the Points Base System

Tier 4 Migrant under the Points Base System

HMF Forces

ECAA Turkish National

 

Therefore the visa application category applied for, Family Route Spouse and dependants of a Settled Person in the United Kingdom is not a visa category applicable to Administrative Review and therefore we are unable to assist you with your enquiry.

 

You will need to contact our Customer Services team on General Enquiry Line 0300 123 2241, Monday to Thursday, 9am to 4.45pm Friday, 9am to 4.30pm quoting your reference number for them to redirect your enquiry to the Settlement visa team or alternatively, email/contact the Settlement visa team their details should be mentioned in your visa approval letter.

 

Kind Regards

 

 

Working From Home due to COVID-19

TM32  
Admin Review Team

Appeals, Litigation and Admin Review (ALAR)

Home Office

UK Visas and Immigration
PO Box 663

Salford

M5 0LW




After waiting 10 days and still no BRP, i filled the form on gov.website and like 2 days later, i got a mail from FHR2 (written ontop of my first email for Admin review which i was told was not applicable to me) apologising that they made a mistake on the validity and to send back the wrong ones to be reissued the correct ones.

 

Dear Mrs

 

Thank you for your email below- I note your comments.

 

I can confirm that the incorrect expiry date was input onto your application. A stop was placed on the BRP cards to prevent delivery but the TNT courier delivered them to you in error. Your daughter- card was not issued as the mistake was realised before her card was generated.

Please could you return the cards by recorded delivery, quoting to the following address:

Home Office

FLR(M)

5th Floor Vulcan House Iron 

Sheffield

S3 8NU

Once we receive the cards back we can reissue new ones to you.  

Please accept my apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused you.

I await the return of the incorrect cards.

Kind regards



UK Visas and Immigration

Home Office

I concluded that the Admin review forwarded my email to the right email even though they told me they couldn't assist me and this was good, my problem is with the customer service team who do not have a clue and yet dishes out advice and information which could be misleading and cause issues in future.

In all, i thank God, my employer never bothered/stopped me working cos in addition to me carrying them along, they are also aware that you are permitted to work as long as you applied b4 your visa expired and waiting for home office response and that Home office has backlogs.

Timelines
Online Application 17th August 20
Visa expired 24th August 20
Biometrics 23rd September 20
BRP dated 7th October 20

I received my BRP same day my document came back. I got the document with a letter that my BRP will be sent i think in a week ( cant remeber exactly except i look for the letter) and not long after a delivery guy came with my BRP.

teejay231:


Please if you don't mind me asking did you receive any letter after biometrics? Also did you receive your documents before you received your BRP or did it come afterwards? Thanks

Congrats Ronvlaar,

Good decision you took and it made off. Happy for you. I actually thought of re-applying too for my kids with priority but fortunately we got an expedite hearing cos they are minors for 1st week of next month.

The best thing actually is to address their refusal and re apply if the money is available to have rest of mind cos this appeal of a thing takes time. the waiting is terrible.

I ll be going there with God and ready for them with all documents and plenty of tears. lol�

Safe trip

ronvlaar:
First application (standard)
August 2017
Denied December 2017

Appealed in January 2018

Reapplied in April 2018 (priority)
Biometric 6th April
Documents sent in 9th April
Application being prepared for consideration mail 17th April
Passport ready for pick up mail 15th May
No decision made mail sent
Decision made 11th May
Passport picked 17th May
Approx 24days after biometric

Big thanks to Lexus for always answering all my annoying questions and all the best to those still waiting.

yes 4 weeks excluding the time to receive the biometric letter. really i can't remember the exact time frame btween when i posted the replacement form and when i got the enrolment letter but i remember that 2/3 days after i posted the form, they deducted the money.

teejay231:


That is 4 weeks excluding the time to receive the biometric enrolment letter. How long after posting the replacement form did you get the biometrics enrolment letter? Thanks.