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I didn't blame the pilot at all. things can go wrong even on new engines.
If you ask me (1) I suspect a sabotage (2) I blame the authorities for giving license to the wrongest sef of people. Jimoh Ibrahim included.

manny4life: Let me state this, I WILL NOT speculate on events nevertheless, here's my opinion.

To clear up confusion, airplane slightly nosedive to correct the negative angle of attack (stall) on the wings. When an airplane stalls, it's has a low speed airspeed(stall speed) reading. Pushing the nose down corrects the stall "JUST ENOUGH" to smoothly apply throttle to accelerate your climb out, and reduce rate of descent.

There's no evidence of proof it was a stall, even if if it was, whether it was properly corrected or not, and what other factors contributed to it is what we're yet to know.

Let's not speculate. It's not accurate and unfair to assume if the pilot could maintain a thousand feet because you have to consider the odds working against the plane and the pilot such as weight/balance of the aircraft, what systems/controls where deployed, was autopilot at work, powered out engines, etc.

Experienced pilots correct stalls at high altitudes, but at low altitudes without power, it's takes REALLY GOOD Pilots and God to do so. In addition, some pilots are under intense pressure that they correct stall incorrectly(see Colgan 3407).

In addition, like I previously stated, when there's no power (THRUST) to generate "LIFT", the weight and drag effect becomes greater. Things to consider: The airplane was on "final approach" to the airport, pilot deployed flaps (halfway)say about 15degrees or even full flaps, spoilers (armed), brakes(set), landing gears(extend/set), and the endless list.

The gears, spoilers, flaps cause drag to slow the aircraft upon it's slope descent. Perhaps, there was enough weight and drag to increase the rate of descent of the aircraft. Like I previously stated, I don't want to assume, only the FDR can explain what happened that Sunday afternoon.

Again, I cannot speculate events - if the airplane glided or not, idk, we don't know the time interval when the first/second/third engines went out. We don't know of ANY hard facts, so I will not assume on this.

The American plane you talk of US Airways "Cactus 1549", look at what @Jakumo has explained (thanks to him). In response to you, Cactus 1549 total flight time from KLGA Runway 4 to Hudson was 6mins. I don't know where you got 10mins interval.

Listen to TRACON radio, cactus couldn't make it to either of the airport, Capt Sullenberger requested for Teterboro in NJ which was closest to him, but because airspeed on descent was increasing, after all, he was at about 2,700ft, when TRACON granted him clearance inbound to Runway 1 at Teterboro, he replied "unable", the AT controller asked him what runway do you want? He replied "Hudson". This was experience at work, coupled with different things.

Few thing to consider in both aftermath: Cactus used a 1999 Airbus (A320) Aircraft, which by standard is averagely used, abt 10years prior to the accident. Unlike DANA that used an airplane that was 20+ years. Cactus wasn't tail heavy, it had one of the best fly-by-wire systems, that could correct itself in emergencies, something I doubt DANA air did have. I mean there were so many odds against DANA, the NTSB report will shed more light on this.

If the scenarios where same, had DANA landed on water, there would have been survivors and had Cactus landed on bldgs, there would have been severe casualties.

Unfortunately, that's for the FDR to determine what the communication was between Radar Approach and DANA Air. Let's not mix up roles of both; Radar approach gives you briefing on initial and final approach based upon updated traffic pattern around the designated airport, crews execute the approach, descent and landing. Whatever happened in-between, you and I don't know.

I'm definitely NOT blaming the pilot nor his First Officer nor anyone, however, IMO, Radar Approach had done when they think best. If at all we're to blame them, it's for not directly clearing them to the closest runway available, instead they told them to contact the local tower. There's nothing ATC could have done irrespective of whoever talked on the radio. Nigeria is not like U.S. where they have about 4,000 airports of different sizes and capacity, so proximity was an issue.

Believe it, under intense pressure, most pilots make fatal decisions, most act unknowingly out of emergency and pressure. If you go to ERAU, there's a class called Flight Psychology, even experienced pilot can't handle pressure when a multiple of things go wrong in the cockpit. The FDR will explain what went wrong, but my best bet is that multiple things went wrong in the faulty plane through no fault of the pilots but the equipment they flew.

MoD

Well he was right in a way. He didn't collect a bribe of $600000 as the papers said. What he did was receive a payment of $500000 being a good civil servant trying to get the facts straight for ordinary nigeria on the probe report. And yes his other colleague got the remaining $120000.
Are you kidding me?
Nigeria!!!! What a travesty!
That guy should be sent to the dungeon !

At least people knowledgable enough are talking. Thanks to that guy that talked about lift, thrust etc. very correct too.
Now that brings me to the point. This plane plunged nose down and never recovered. If planes can nose dive to build speed you will expect that with 5000 ft to ground he could manage to reduce a thousand feet or so and then glide past a building or possibly make it to airport. This went down. Didn't glide. We all saw the American plane glide for that low before landing on water and if you check your facts it took them about 10 mins or more between engine failure and landing on water.If there was no building around the crash site this Dana plane would have still crashed seeing that it plunged nose down. So that's my argument.
By the way from the so called pilot conversation with the tower you would expect the plane would make it to the airport. At least they were told to line up for emergency landing. What Happened in between? If they didn't believe they could make it to airport I suppose the conversation would have been more alarming than that.
So are we saying a professional pilot of over 22 years didn't know common physics or is incompetent? Isnt it just easy for the authorities to place fault on the dead as they can't defend themselves than take the responsibility of their incompetence and corruption? And wickedness if I may add.

Jakumo: Same as you would with power: Get the nose down QUICK and dive to build airspeed, only pulling slightly back on the flight yoke to reduce rate of descent after that stall warning alarm falls silent, stabilizing the bird into a controlled glide that is hopefully on course to the nearest avialable runway.

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I Thot Demuren was told to step aside after the crash?
Does he also call the shots from his parlour?

Whatever policy they have in place, a MAY DAY call must go directly to the relevant office which in turn must take appropriate action immediately. What they did was play information ping pong between NAMA and THE TOWER as they were bunch of incompetent people who know nothing about emergency response which is a course in itself. I. Can imagine them saying Oya Oga wetin we go do now? I can imagine the sluggish attitude due to not knowing what to do. I blame the relevant authorities as well as Dana for this crash.
The stupid information released to press is just to kill peoples anger.
I notice a lot of people have referred to the aircraft that landed on water in America last year. Note that the engines failed but the airline didn't plunge. It landed normally on its belly. This one plunged! Another line of thought. Didn't Levi Ajuonuma just say recently he didn't want to be part of the subsidy scandal and will resign? By implication of that statement he was going to reveal the truth for his childrens sake? Now the only guy that was ready to let the whole nation know the truth happened to be on a poorly maintained aircraft that eventually crashed.
Take it or leave it. I don't trust this engineered report from whoever.
Now wait and see. Subsidy probe report will come out soon and guess what they will say its the truth and nothing but the truth but how will the ordinary Nigerian know the truth when the truth was killed in a plane crash. True words from Femi kuti. Truth dey travel the thing con get accident. Truth con die. Chei. Afterall we re beginning to see new drama unfold between Farouk and Zenon oil.
The more I think about it the more I wish I had some supernatural powers. These national idiots will be the first to die when I rule the world.
Nairalanders I urge you not to be gullible. Have an open mind. One day nigeria shall be rid of all it's enemies if nigeria survives! Someday. Very soon!
My heart bleeds for the families of the lost ones. Only God will comfort you and know that the blood of the dead will hunt a those involved in this crash.

muffins99: Does anyone have evidence that the ATC gave the wrong advice .i.e there was a easier/ more assessible landing space for the plane? Would the control tower have given better responce? Please bear in mind that there are protocols for communication between pilots and airports so maybe someone can confirm that the 'reported' communication was not according to protocol or that a better one can be put in place. if we can identify a better way of doing things, hopefully these recommendations will reach the right people and will save lives in the future. May the victims' souls rest in peace!

PS: Everyone knows there's a high likelihood that the plane was not properly maintained but that is one issue; communication problem is another.

I find this interesting? And I read some gullible people saying it was destined to be like that?
How is a pilot's distress call routed to NAMA control when it's meant to go straight to the control tower? Na gsm call? Abi na demuren number he call? Haba
What about the time lost between that communication.
I sincerely don't believe anything this report suggests. Who released the report? The same agency that allowed a faulty aircraft fly in the first place or The indulgent parastatal who is ready to say anything as long as some 'millions are flown in plane to abuja'.
I'm sorry if I sound this way but years of following lies upon lies from anything Nigeria. I take this news with a pinch of salt!
Especially when a legislator will accept bribe on subsidy probe
Nigerians be wise. These guys are just playing on your intelligence!

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Assuming Dana is not insured by Jimoh Ibrahim's Nicon Insurance or any other Nigerian company!!!
Also lets assume the crash cause is identified as purely accidental. Cos if not genuine or if the terms of the insurance have been violated (I hope it's not but in Nigeria, highly possible), then we can rest assured they will be compensated.
My heart still bleeds for Nigeria.
I could have been on that plane.
I came into Nigeria briefly and i remember my sister telling me to fly dana btw ABJ-LAG. Thank God i stuck to Arik after the only aero i took made loads of noise in the air and struggled with its tyres . As a matter of fact i left naija before the end of my visit as i got fed up with everything.
How long are we going to continue and say God Help Us? Heaven help those who help themselves they say.
The people have to stand up and demand justice. i had a flicker of hope during the subsidy rally, but just like that, NLC decieved us again as usual. I cant stop crying for the untimely loss of 153 lives and for Nigeria

kandiikane: No, it doesn't but the money will come in to good use e.g funeral costs and for many who lost their breadwinners, it will help them.

but everyone Jimoh Ibrahim's history.
How did he get an airline license?
And Nigerians kept quiet?
and then he comes out trying to debunk claims by ex finance chief?
And the police and senate are over looking these claims too?
WTH
I just wish i could say i'm glad i'm out of Nigeria. But my people what about una?

my assumption too. at this point the plane is usually that low that it coulldnt have exploded immediately at impact. surely there was a few moments before it exploded! Nigerians need answers!!!

enitan2002: A plane at that point is flying less than 230knots, and its about 3,500ft......do the maths, what could have happened for a whole passengers in the aircraft to have perished.

Some questions that need answers.
An observer alleged tht someone trapped in the plane made calls to his family to let them know what happened. he said it took about 5 mins or so before explosion. is this true?
How long did it take for rescue workers to get there?
Is there any chance that if proper measures were in place, some lives could have been saved?
the pilot made a call to report the incident 11 nautical miles (21 km)to airport. what effort was made by ground emergency officials?

MoD