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oluwatoyinadeol:
Prosperity is your right as a believer.. .dont be deceived be deceived.. .there is what to do to surely lay your hands on prosperity legally and without offending God.. .....dont die in poverty, show me a great man of God all across the world living in poverty. ...when you walk with God faithfully, you can be a pauper.. .

there are several men of God that are in poverty.....should I start with the Apostles? did u know Paul says they are poor, hungry and even in rags? do u read the Bible at all? is God sovereign in our lives or not?
and yes Paul is an example of many "men of God" who live in poverty because they have counted this world treasure that ur prosperity gospel preaches aa "dung"

I guess the early Christians where government cos they accepted low school fees and even did schooling for free way back then.........does anyone know why Sunday school was even a thing in the church

Adaowerri111:
i guess you are a christian ...so Which church does?

can u define what the church is according to the Bible?

oluwatoyinadeol:
You are spiritually insane. ...prosperity is not a sin and it is the right of a believer and salvation is just a beginner stage in the Christian journey, there are still manyadder to climb.. ..salvation alone will never deliver to you breakthrough.. ....it is never written anywhere in the scriptures that Jesus Christ lacked OR was poor, why should you carry poverty mentality.. .......search for wisdom.. ..you are too stupid spiritually, don't let a witch kills you and repent.. .idiot

No where in the Bible where it says Jesus was poor?
how about "He became poor that you might be rich" -- I bet ur pastor have used that line too
and again "the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head"?
really? can u show us Jesus' wealth during his earthly ministry?
so salvation alone cannot deliver someone? are u sure u a Christian? this prosperity gospel have eaten so deep into u that u have started to misyarn o...
please search for wisdom in the word of God....please! cos none of the disciples of Christ recognise this ur prosperity gospel o

NevetsIbot:
says the person who quoted me while i was refering to another person.,.., get lost

i quoted u when u tried to defend ur pastorpreneur with a bad logic...."God" didn't stop ppl ganging up to stop ur pastor from doing charity (loosing some real cool cash for another jet to some school boys)....but "God" is gonna give mouth odour to anyone who complains that the money he sees from his business is too much!!!

Adaowerri111:
Start attending living faith so you can understand certain things about the church, pay deaf ears to what you hear outside, its a different world entirely inside, living faith Don't prioritize offerings and tithes, you are just being misled by what you hear outside. come to think of it, will A pastor tell you what to give as tithe or offering?? no one will stop you coming with livestock or farm produce, i think Money is handy and mostly used as modern day tithe, my thoughts though

well winners chapel (Canaanland is close to where I stay) and I attended LFC during service year. yes they don't need to tell u tithe is compulsory, all they need to do is just read Malachi 3: 9-10 "dazzall"
thank God u said urs ur thoughts tho....but money was also in ancient Israel and it was "handy" but money was never tithed and it's a yearly thing and the tithe was abt 22% all together.....ur church doesn't do Tithe the way d Bible prescribes..... it's just all a con

Lennycool:
See you so it is wrong to suggest that he should pray for all the starving children in the world to get food for atleast a year? Why then? How can such selflessness be considered against God's will?
Or is it because you know it will never be answered?
As for the OP. Traditional worshippers probably experienced the same thing you mentioned. As do Muslims, and Hindus and any other religion you can think of. Do you believe that all their Gods are real too?
If not, then answered prayers are not proof of any God. Not unless the prayers are unambiguous.
Like praying for an amputees limb to regrow
Getting heads when you throw a coin 50 times in a row
Feeding all the starving children for a year
Getting snake eyes on dice fifty times in a row
E.t.c
These prayers can never happen by luck. Only a supernatural force can make them come through.

Bro relax...
did u read his post? and did u read my comment?
He set a rule about wat God ought to do and not that we should pray about it (they are 2 diff things)
again how does God doing what u described solves the problem of the world? and why can't we be so merciful to ourselves that we need God to do even things we can do? why can't we do our part? dis u even bother to know the mind of God ? are u not limiting Him to ur own standards? isn't this the issue I picked with him? why are u not addressing that?

NevetsIbot:
as we all know. Humans are not ever satisfied. Keep judging there.. Lets see how it improves your life.

I've gotten miracles nd healings thru his preachings. If you are spiritually dead, numb or ruled my distorting spirits, don't expect to understand anythiing from him.

Only a man God works with can achieve the feats Oyedepo has attained. If he indeed was a con man, explain the signs and miracles done by God thru him.. Does God work with a sinner? Does God build one?

Just get out of my face.. Yu clearly lack understanding and sanity of the spiritual mind

eiya....sorry oh! I tot I mentioned oyedepo but I never knew u both bear same name....
so why engage in the discussion with me if I needed to "get out of ur face"
even herbalists are capable of many such feats....it seems that the devil has disguised as an Angel of light and u didn't know it (or u forgot that verse)....or that "even the very elect can be deceived"?

I can see clearly through ur pastorpreneurs' business ventures being pinned on God and dashing the hopes of people by extorting them....open ur eyes and see....

Adaowerri111:
i meant Its a command from God not Oyedepo, Oyedepo can never force you ...he can only preach the gospel, decision is all yours.

NB weda you pay tithe or offering or you nor pay, Oyedepo is highly blessed and it will remain so, nothing can change it bro

what a pity.... command from God to enrich ur pastorpreneurs? I thought the command was for levites only and it was never to be money! please go and read ur Bible and stop being conned!
Oyedepo may be rich...even so are the Yahoo boys and our corrupt politicians....but blessed? really? have u read the "be attitudes"?

NevetsIbot:
if yu don't know anything sharrap.. Oyedepo used togive over a thousand students scholarship every year until some people ganged against him nd he stopped.

LASt month, an announcement was passed in church asking anyone interested in going for masters to enroll for open scholarship from papa.... It isnt restricted to just church members.

You claim to be a christian but you are as blind as the majority here. Oyedepo has helped billions thru God's help... Quit hating nd get a life

wat a silly post! so when he gives out money as a man of God in form of scholarship....ppl prevailed over hum and stopped him and he cudnt get God to stop them? but anybody who gangs up and complain abt high school fee God will give them mouth odour?

sheepishness is ur calling

NairaMaster1:
Is Ora Robert university in USA free? Are the government universities free? Are you paying the tithe? How much?

Oral Roberts? why mention to me another charlatan? probably Oyedepo's mentor!!! ignorant ppl pay tithes.....I do Christian giving. ..and I'd never give to ur pastorpreneurs..........

Adaowerri111:
you have to ask yourself if he forced anyone to pay tithes or offerings, its done voluntarily depending on your faith and I bet you aren't better than a tither.

oh! so it's voluntary abi? am not sure u know what Malachi 3 :9-10 reads!!!. by the way that's the most abused verse by ur chalartan pastorpreneurs

Pidgin2:
I'm bothered because he will never taunt Muslims like this.

beheading things na!!!

bezimo:
Don't mind them, they reason ignorantly.Thinking because it's church managed it should be free.Is the electricity and water fed to Canaanland free.Are Professors in those universities volunteering? Are the state of the art equipments in those universities bought and maintained for free.

no wonder the students from Covenant University are solving the problems of the country! I hear say dem don invent weed wey dey produce electricity na...!
so after boasting abt how much was used in building the school and with state of the art facilities in it, plus continuous Sunday tithes....u want the professors and lecturers to do it for free? u don't know that they know Oyedepo is all about business?
go with dollar tithe 2mrw o

if u wanna know how missionary school works! ask Oyedepo abt his own time in school....he might tell u

Adaowerri111:
there are a lot of secondary schools that are more expensive, the standard of the school is worth the fees, he never said the university was going to be a charity organization

did he tell the tithe payers that it wasn't going to be a charity organization? can u ask ur pastor how much he paid in his own time?
it seems many people need to read the history of the missionary schools and why they were built...
get off the weed ur "man of god" has fed u during service joor

mrvitalis:
He said a 10000 year old Adam was the first man

He said the earth is older than the sun

Never mentioned galaxies

Was just the God of the jews

Couldn't even defeat his human enemies needed man to do that

Etc

10000 year old Adam? and I believe ppl said it was 6000? but the Bible never mentioned it to be any of those.

earth older than the sun? and u discount this because u personally tested the age of both the Earth and the Sun or u just believe in a guy u never knew? well u also have to believe u were an ape too....tho we can't test that....

does not mentioning galaxies mean God is unaware of them? so not mentioning something assumes it must have been non existent or not known?

was just God of the Jews? was Abraham a jew? Isaac and Jacob nko? Job?

on the last point, I probably should ask.
where did u get that from?
have u read the Bible?

stop passing ur misinformation around as facts

mrvitalis:
U mean same bible that said adam was the first man?? Or the one that said 2x all the animals on earth was fitted into 136m x36m ship

Or the one that said a 40 days rain would flood the earth.. .

Or the one who supports murder,, ethnic cleansing, stealing, betrayers adultery etc??

Seriously thats not a God i should worship

again Christians will still laugh at u....and infact we do....try getting the information right and stop passing ur misinformation around......

seriously please tell us wat kind of a god u'd worship? I bet it wud be a god that perfectly fits within ur understanding and not greater than u even in morals....so basically u'd make god in ur own image and den worship it----that's not a god any reasonable person wud worship

donnffd:
You know if you were a muslim and prayed to allah instead of the yahweh, those things would still have happened, does that mean allah exists?

You can try this experiment with any religion that believes in a supernatural being, the answer is always the same, you pray and your prayer gets answered, but how do you know it was yahweh that was answering your prayers?

The human mind is a powerful thing and easily deceives itself, we always long for a big and greater being in our lives or society, if its not God and religion, then its advanced aliens or something like that, its in our genetic makeup.

You have given two instances where you prayed a personal prayer and God answered you, but have you stopped to think about the other millions of people in the world today that are far worse than you were when you prayed, and they keep praying and they keep dying in starvation and disease, do God hate them?, what about the cancer patients praying to God for a healing, do God despises them? Why dont their prayers get answered also?...just asking an honest question.

People go to church and give testimonies of how God made them have a contract or how he helped them find their car keys but forget the millions in the world suffering and dying with no sign of help coming from anywhere even with constant prayers, why are religious people so self absorbed?

Well, if God answered your prayers, and he really exists, then ask him to solve world poverty and hunger, cure cancer and all diseases, stop natural disasters from happening and heal amputees...then we would know God is real and he does infact answers prayers.

colossal ignorance...solving world problem even wen d world reject his offerings to make them whole? every time I hear or see people type this I just can't help but see their ignorance, that statement shows that u have set the rules of right and wrong for "god" and this mere action makes that "god" not greater than u are. did u even think through abt the standards God will uphold? does the world meet that standard? Please think before u suggest that next time...

mrvitalis:
Because we can't explain it as of today doesn't make it gods hand work..

Science has always told the world that we don't have all the explanations but surely there is an explanation for everything

There may be a God yes.. But the one in the Bible... The way he was described?? Is definitely not the God who created this world

and ur reasons are?

mrvitalis:
Am a realist.. what sparked the big bang we don't know as of today

Why was the law of conservation violated thats basic science.. E =mc2

Christians are the most lebral religion over the years they have learnt to be

All religion are scams.. Seriously i laugh at Christians...u warship a God that is a God of the Jewish people only.. . Or is there anywhere in the Bible he talked of being the God of all the tribes??

Islam is a copied work from a phydophia we know
. The rest dont really mean much to the world population

Science will always say we might not know today but we will one day know

Religion calm to have all the answers

and Christians laugh at you too for not even understanding what the Bible teaches regarding what u just mentioned

Bro Science and Scientist are different and even scientists hold different views.....some believe in "God" while some don't believe in any deity. yet many are those whom have becomes theists due to the hard evidence and the questions that science poses to them... our origin leaves the atheists and evolutionist at a rather difficult position. I dare say it takes more faith to believe we are here by accident than it is to believe we are the work of a being that transcends our realm.
we can and may seek Him but let this be clear, we can't find Him...He only reveals Himself to whom He wills. we can't control or question His choices on such issues...for He is greater than us all...He loves us but has no need of us...but we need Him to know why we are here

why is it that no one is talking about the fact that this people are scammers. the fact that people paid with their atm cards thro their POS? the person I knew said that they even collected 1k and gave #100 to a guy that told dem his tfare is #100? y'all scared or ashamed to admit u v be swindled of ur cash? well I laughed at the person who told me abt the ordeal. she parted with 2k (for this change era). she realized that the name on d account she saw on the POS had been flagged false (after getting home) on nairaland as a fake recruitment company. the name on the account according to her was "Betfil Global" while she thought it was "Alpha Resource Consulting" but she blamed the whole incident on jazz (juju). I told her she was sweet talked and I wud love to experience the so called jazz....gud day ppl

zeemahn:
The sun matters so much not only to plants but also to animals and man. It is our source of light remember? Don't try to sound like a genius. It only make you look dumb. Sorry

Rule? The sun wouldn't have been necessary if there *WAS* a light source. Isn't this easy to grasp?

As for contradictions in your fairy-tale...google can show you hundreds. I'm not here to baby sit and spoon feed your deluded brain.

I still insist. god means over 6000 things. Ask around.


Don't bite the fingers that feed you. Science is open to criticism and modifications. Same cannot be said of religion. Why do you visit a hospital when you are sick? or go to school? Why don't you visit churches when sickness strikes? Why don't you read your bible and use it's teachings to develop cure for cancer, AIDS, and invent useful things too? Your life depends on years of scientific research. Actually, you gain little from religion!

Science has filled a lot of gaps in knowledge. eg we now know that disease is not caused by demons; we now know that the earth is well over 6-8000yrs rendering the genesis account false; we now know that most plants need light and the sun is the source of that light; we now know that contrary to what genesis says, the moon does not produce light, rather, it reflects light from the sun; we also know that the earth is way smaller than the stars making it impossible for them to fall inside the earth; We now know that the human body is composed of materials we can study and understand;...I could go on and on.

I don't need to lie to prove anything.
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it seems u can't give up on contradicting ursef abi? tell me now, which is important to the plants and animals? the sun as a physical object or the light from the sun? will any other object able to provide light like the sun do for the plants and animals? please answer....

it wud seem u will dodge the fact that God cud have used a supernatural light source before the creation of the sun....

and ashamed that u have now moved away from ur main argument that God created vegetation before he created the sun.....I told u that it is only in ur deluded mind that u do not see that the condition needed for the vegetation to thrive was already in place....

again u show us no where in the Bible where it is mentioned that the earth is 6000 years old....like I said the only thing that u can get that is 6000 years is from the Creation of Man....go back to ur science table and learn how the expansion factor of the universe affects time.

u claim and insist "god" means 6000 things.....well again I will tell u that it is false (and I insist too)

u haven't done justice to the fact that I told u that ur so called science just caught up to the fact that the universe isn't eternal...or u believe scientist have always seen the earth as having a beginning? like I said the Bible got this fact right even before ur so called scientist got it....

look at what d country has turned it's future to?

wisemen045:
''The day after Roswell'' by Colonel Philip J. Corso (a former Pentagon official) blew the lid off the UFO cover-up. An interesting read for the poster and any other who has ever wondered about the leap in technology in the last century.

I also recommend books by Zecharia Sitichin and Erich Von Daniken. Several abound on the internet. Just google them!

Happy reading!

all these people u mentioned are just jokers....are u sure u did a proper research on their claims? many common sense debunking have been offered up against their theories. and to claim leap in technology is due to aliens simply means u know nothing of an exponential progress and u seem to limit the human brain too much

zeemahn:
Sure! Light not the sun. genius. So what was the light source before the sun during creation according to the bible?

Genius. So you mean when God said 'let there be light'; stars, animals, the sun and man appeared and started producing light? Contradiction indeed!

Sticking to the topic? sure but mind you, 'God' means over 6000 things depending on who you are talking with. Fact!

Keep using your fairy tales to fill gaps. Meanwhile every new discovery made in the scientific field fills one of those gaps. You are surely running out of space

Lol at self proclaimed atheist. So what are you? world proclaimed fairy tale believer? The truth is around me and part of me. I accept it whole heartedly and it shows in how I live life everyday. I do good without hope for reward in an imaginary place and I despise evil not because I will burn eternaly if I do evil but because I have evolved to know the effect it has on my kind. Morality is in our genes. How else can one define TRUE freewill?

at last admitting that the sun z not wat matters to plant but light....finally it's sinking in....

tell me a rule that says the Creator has to mention the light source? can't that light source be supernatural? the so called fairytale has no contradiction in it....u wer d problem since u started commenting and now ur confusion is being cleared up gradually....now u start asking which "god" did it? and that "God" means 6000 things isn't true (again let's leave the numbers out....it's not helping ur cause)
u mean that same science dat didn't catch on to the fact that the universe had a beginning until recently? what gaps has it filled? please tell us.
yeah truth is all around u and in u....who is arguing that? please look for a better lie joor

lolzzz...someone has watched too much ancient aliens videos and have swallowed the lies....well do a proper research and see how much falsehood it spreads....
the pyramids were built by men not any supernatural force was needed....

a religious person knows that there are beings in other dimensions that interfere with our earth they are called (angels, demons and even gods)....science is slowly getting to where religion left off....

how does finding an "alien" negate religious beliefs? and does this mean our universe isn't created?

zeemahn:
1 Photo synthesis-Thats the importance of the sun to plants. Maybe I'm gisting with someone who never had agric and intergrated science classes in his lifetime. who knows? what do you want us to decide? the bible is supposed to be accurate and precise. You seem to be in a state of cognitive disonance here lol

2 Sure! The sun and other stars. The others comes from animals, and man made sources.

3 Sorry, which of the over 6000 gods are you talking about? If you think being logical and knowing some basic science makes me have an ultimate mind then I've discovered another reason why black Africa is still backward.

4 Said a Christain who believes that his own big book containing fairy tales is authentic than other numerous books containing fairytales. What was I even expecting? Something worse maybe!

questions, is the sun as a physical body required for photosynthesis or light? seems u need to go back to that agric class again....


can there be other sources of light other than the sun and stars? my guess is you answered it, hence u contradicted itself

let's stick to the topic (the existence of God, leave the numbers out for another time)

fairy tales to those who are stuck on to the natural world that it can be fully explained and when we confront them with many other things events that are unexplainable, they start saying we don't know science (e.g Evolution crap)

a self proclaim atheist should at least be knowledgeable and ready to accept the truth (maybe not about God but about every other thing, and that includes the fact that the creation account makes sense)

zeemahn:
So you exposed me? Now clap for yourself.
Science of day and night? Google helps those who help themselves. Don't let religion to make you extremely lazy.
Show me where I said all plants need sunlight to survive. Or you are exposing yourself. And the bible did not even talk about plants needing sunlight or not.What the bible showed was that
1-Light was created before the sources of light logical blunder
2-plants were created before the sun(which is essential for their survival) another logical blunder
What did stone age men that wrote the myth know about plants needing sunlight or the sun being the primary source of light? nothing I guess.

Yet you where bringing logic into the issue. Logic is not compatible with your creation myth brother thats why I said you are contradicting yourself. I don't expect you to agree that your divinely inspired stone age fairytale writers made logical blunders.

Meanwhile I am observing the drift. But whatever shape you want this argument to take I'm ready!

now that u have been exposed for all to see that not all plants (I never mentioned oxygen) need sunlight to thrive, u then conclude that God's omnipotence must be illogical... must the sun be the first object God must create? or u think our laws of nature has a demand on what God can do? please henceforth engage reasonable and show why d order of the creation is impossible and not why God should do it in an order "ur almighty mind" proposed!


Another statement full of contradictions and logical blunders and ohh, you even helped me to conclude? Thanks but no thanks! This does'nt sound like me. I mean, I dont reason like you

sound

yes of cos u can't reason like me... let's review wat u had accused the creation story of

1. that God created plants without sunlight

now please answer me this one question before I can show how contradictory u sound....

what is the use of sunlight to the growth of the plants?

when u carefully answer dis, den let's decide if this has been provided for before the plants were created.

2. your argument says that light was created before the source of light: my question is, do u know all d sources of light?

3. on the source of light issue, it wud seem u hold God to a standard of "you can't have light without telling the source it's from" ... this here shows that u must have an "ultimate mind" as I pointed earlier

4. it's stone age myth, thanks we have been told severally.... but this myth has preempted modern science concerning the origin of the universe for years by positing an absolute beginning.... this stone aged people must know nothing at all

zeemahn:
Logic? What is the logic behind creating luminance before the sun and other stars?
Or creating plants only to sustain them temporarily before creating the sun? Then you're talking about some plants that don't need oxygen but still talk about gods omnipotence, and the creation myth not being a scientific exploration yet you're talking logic? Where is that luminance today? Do you even know the science about day and night? You contradicted yourself many times.

Meh, I see a confused man sinking with his straws.

wen u r exposed u do sound like a broken record....if the creation account is a myth....prove it....dont just say it

secondly tell us about the "science of day and night"

how did I contradicted myself....dont just write expressions, prove it

now that u have been exposed for all to see that not all plants (I never mentioned oxygen) need sunlight to thrive, u then conclude that God's omnipotence must be illogical... must the sun be the first object God must create? or u think our laws of nature has a demand on what God can do? please henceforth engage reasonable and show why d order of the creation is impossible and not why God should do it in an order "ur almighty mind" proposed!

zeemahn:
Then he commanded, “Let the earth produce all kinds of plants, those that bear grain and those that bear fruit”—and it was done. So the earth produced all kinds of plants, and God was pleased with what he saw.

Check your bible for more info.

Gosh. You shouldn't be asking for,this. Bibles are everywhere

God only knows how many times this question will be asked only to show how embarrassing it is for the person asking....
Bro, am not sure u read the creation even....wat was the first command in the creation story? Plantation or Luminance? please read and answer....

again

it wud seem that u have forgotten it's a creation event and not a scientific exploration of how plants survive....at the creation of vegetation was there light or not? please answer! if u say not, how come that was marked the third day since the Bible defined day before hand?

it wud seem u r naive of the fact that some plants do survive n live even without sunlight? moreover from the creation event....God created "lights" and den named the ones we see in our sky as "sun" and the "moon". it wud seem that those are not the source of the light which was commanded afore time.

so how cud the plants not thrive even without them creation of the sun? (I wudnt even discuss the omnipotence of the Creator and His ability to sustain the created vegetation temporarily before concluding the events)

study to object logically and stop attacking strawman

weselomo:
keep blasphemy and think u are making sense. I got confuse too but I will not again.
we were thought never to ask or find about who created HIM

who told u not to ask?