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Empiree:
Who told you Christianity compatible with islam. Hell, there is a huge space btw religion of Paul and religion of God. Let's see what you got

U never cease to amaze me, I never said "Christianity is compatible with Islam" --- read again

and if u don't know abt Paul (the man muslims wish to hate but cudnt -- a greater than allah and muhammed), just keep quiet

http://badmanna./2014/03/24/the-intellectual-triunity-of-god-by-joel-parkinson/?relatedposts_hit=1&relatedposts_origin=4620&relatedposts_position=2


I'd like Trinitarians to read this

Empiree:
Empty post. All you have to do is proof "Jesus is God". Enough of this empty post. But before you defend it, let me quickly remind you there are many other Christians who defer from your creed

if mine z empty, den urs z emptier cos even many muslims have creeds dat differ from urs!...I dnt need to prove to u dat "Jesus is God", I guess u read d Bible? what happened to d "prologue of John"

CANTICLES:
Instead of you to think deep about his questions, you are busy defending what u dont understand... Infact Answer This:

1) If The Trinity doctrine is true, and they are truly one, WHAT HAPPEN TO THE Father and holyspirit, WHEN the son died for three days ?? Did they also die ??

If they are truly one , why didnt the Father and holyspirit also dead ?




... next

Again u start with the premise of God's nature and Being same as that of "humans"---

Now let me expose ur rather silly arguments, since u already conceived d fact that I was supposed to answer a question u hv yet to pose...

1. If Jesus, the Father and HolySpirit are one (according to ur erroneous undastnding of the Trinity), then did u forget that even "humans" are spirits beyond the body and spirits don't die? How much more God guess u shld answer dat

2. according to our understanding of God's Being (One) shared by three (3) centres of Consciousness (Persons), Jesus died, while the Father is on His throne ruling in heaven, while the HolySpirit goes on to convict the world of sin...Jesus is God, the Father is God, the HolySpirit is God...the Father isn't the Son whom are in turn not the HolySpirit...they are different Persons but same Being described as "God" --- unless u just confuse urself and make a false type of Trinity n want me to respond to it...

Stop displaying ur ignorance on the Trinity! Pls

Empiree:
Simple, isn't? Those fellows who believe in trinity or that Jesus is God are polytheists. Aren't they reading the same Bible.

that makes me wonder, cos I just see u ignore all d texts of the Bible that says Jesus is God and identifies Him as YHWH

Empiree:
Shut up already and admit your defeat. You are done like dinner. You are defeated. Yea, run away.

well, I just stumbled upon dis and if I have time, I will address ur misuse of Biblical texts and show dt its nt compatible with islam

CAPTIVATOR:
U think name in that context is a literal name.

So, what is the personal name of the holyspirit ?




SO , Holyspirit= the Father ... Lol

So the father will give u himself when u ask for holyspirit ?? Luk 11:13

So the father actually descend as a dove during Jesus baptism ?

from this ur reply I now know dat u don't even know wat Trinitarianism is about. If u dnt know the difference between "a person" and "a human being", den how can u grasp it wen the trinity uses the words "Person" and "Being" to summarize the so so Scriptural doctrine of the ONE Being of God shared by three co equal, eternal and powerful Persons?

CAPTIVATOR:
" God is ONLY one" Gal 3:20 NOT three in one

I guess a bit is clear to u abt d use of the words, Trinity and Bible--so makes those ur points invalid....now u quote

Gal 3:20, "God is Only one"

May I ask which translation u r using? cos I don't find d word "only" in the ones I checked....and if I permit u to use dat seemingly wrong translation, then can I ask, "God is only one (what?) or (who?)...cos we Trinitarians believe that there is only One God and God is One in his Unity!!!

CAPTIVATOR:
YAHWEH is the name of the MOST HIGH GOD ( psalm 83:18) NOT Jesus .

OR Give me the scripture that says " Jesus IS YAHWEH" ?

I guess u r new to Bible exposition, try refute the passages above that identifies Jesus as YHWH! Check above and stop being ignorant of dis simple fact

The book of Hebrews 1 says

"8 But of the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever,
the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom." 9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.""

and also

"10 "And, "You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; 11  they will perish, but you remain;
they will all wear out like a garment, 12  like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same,
and your years will have no end.""

...these are quotations from the book of Psalms 45:6-7 and 102:25-27 which identifies Jesus as YHWH and acribes Eternality to the Son of God!!! Even the Father calls Him God and Creator of all things (if you are the creator of "all things", den u urself aren't a created being)...if Jesus is YHWH, den the Bible says in the shema' i.e

Deut 6:4
"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one."

shows that our Human nature can't be compared to God's, that's why Trinitarians do not seek to claim to fully grasp God's nature and Wisdom, but it seems that these "anti-Trinitarian" groups wud know all of God (by using d human nature, hence God is no more dan us in a sense)... I believe many of the don't even know wat the doctrine of Trinity teaches, but dey just attack it

CAPTIVATOR:
Learn , Something important and profound:

GENTLEMAN .... Whenever someone tries to teach you a
doctrine that is UNscriptural, he will always
be forced to use words that are
unscriptural.

First of all, NOWHERE in the Scriptures
Is God referred to or called a "trinity." !

Second, the word "THREE" is never used
In reference to Who or What God is. !

Thirdly, God is NEVER described as " three in one" in the scriptures

well the Word "Bible" isn't in the Bible, and are u so ignorant that truths doesn't necessarily have to be expressed in single words or sentences? U said God is never described as "three in one", ok, show where God is described as "one in one" The word Trinity is used to sum up a "divine truth" of God's nature, just as the word Bible is used to refer to "His written word to us"...pls do a lil more thinking before u type "empty words" as these

CAPTIVATOR:
I Could now go through all the Scriptures
that support the doctrine of the trinity,
however, there is a problem --THERE ARE
NO SUCH SCRIPTURES!

So let’s do something else. Let’s look at a
few Scriptures that Trinitarians claim add
credence to their theory. I will take no
more than a few pages to try and clarify
the Scriptural teaching on who, what, and
how many Gods there really are.

First of all we must dispense with I John
5:7 which reads in the King James Version
"For there are three that bear record
In heaven, the Father, the Word, and
The Holy Ghost : and these three are
one."
There is a problem with this verse. The
words that I typed in bold print are not
Scripture. They should NOT be in the
Bible. There are many Bibles that do not
contain these words. Here are a few:

The Concordant Literal New
Testament: "...seeing that three there
are that are testifying, the spirit, and
the water, and the blood, and the
three are for the one thing."

New World Translation of the Holy
Scriptures: "For there are three
witness bearers, the spirit and the
water and the blood, and the three
are in agreement."

A New Translation by James Moffatt:
"The witnesses are three, the Spirit
and the water and the blood, and the
three of them are in accord."
The Emphatic Diaglott: "For there are
three which testify; the Spirit, and the
water, and the blood; and the three
are of one."

The Emphatic Diaglott has a footnote:
"This text concerning the heavenly
witnesses [as found in some
versions] is NOT contained in ANY
Greek manuscript which was written
earlier than the 15th century. It is not
cited by ANY of the Greek
ecclesiastical writers; nor by ANY of
the early Latin fathers..."

The Holy Bible--New Catholic
Version: "For there are three that
bear witness [in heaven: the Father,
the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and
these three are one. And there are
three that bear witness on earth]: the
Spirit, and the water, and the blood;
and these three are one."
The brackets are supplied by the
translators. This version also has a
footnote:

"According to the evidence of many
manuscripts, and the majority of
commentators, these verses should
read: ‘For there are three that bear
witness: the Spirit, and the water, and
the blood; and these three are one.’
The Holy See reserves to itself the
right to pass finally on the origin of
the present reading."

The New Testament from 26 Translations:
Footnote, page 1183:
"The words between ‘bear
record’ (verse 7) and ‘the
spirit’ (verse 8 ) are now recognized
as not adequately supported by
original manuscripts."

As those words were hand written in a
copy of a manuscript as late as the 15th
century and do not appear in ANY Greek
manuscript, they have no place in the
inspired Word of God.

http://bible-truths.com/

and why shld people take u seriously cos I don't know any Trinitarian Christian who based his theology on this verse!!! U shld hv done just a lil bit of studyin of the scriptures before spewing this...and u shld do dat by first putting off ur pre supposed "theology" and read honestly!!! see dat Jesus is described as no creature can!!! See Jesus' identification as YHWH

so ppl seems to be scholars all of a sudden on d Bible... had a good laff tho'...

Aint it just true?

Brandomg: Sorry for responding late. Please try the following link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army. You can also try searching on google. Mentioning one is a starting point, and what I am trying to achieve is to show Christians that people can always twist any religion to perpetuate evil.

u still haven't gotten off d runway! any other example cos u know dt wit islam, d list is endless...

mazaje: you are yet to show that what i have stated is not reality. . . How is your religious experience better than that of a hindu or a muslim?. . .How is your own religion better than that of a hindu?. . .

personally I dnt think its worth sharing with someone whom sees every religious person as being "born" into the faith that they hold on to...that's ur illogical reality

cleopatra001: I forgot to add:must be a university graduate too,tnx.

na wa for u oh! Na so u go add and delete. Tseew

Amee1: Xtrian should learn Hebrew or Aramaic to avoid errors 4rm bible. Muslims are learning Arabic b4 start reading Qur an that is why Qur'an does nt have errors & protected by God.

wishful thinking

mazaje: you can genuinely have conviction of uoyr faith but it is mainly as a result of indoctrination and wiring. . . That is the only way you will accept that the creator of the universe got a virgin pregnant and gave birth to himself in a story that was written close to 2000 years ago by people you do not know and have never meet. . People who wrote contradictory account of what they claimed happened. . . It is all conditioning. . Same way a muslim also believes that the creator of the universe revealed this special message he has for mankind in Arabic to a man that lived about 1500 years sgo in Arabia. . .all religious experience and convictions ate all the same. . They ate all equally valid or invalid. . Your religious experience is not better than that of a budfist monk, a hindu , or a muslim. . . .there us nothing special in your religion in reality its just like that of others. . .it us a man made system abd has no divine origin. .

yep! only valid in ur world of illogical reality

Question: "What is the book of Enoch and should
it be in the Bible?"
Answer: The Book of Enoch is any of several
pseudepigraphal (falsely attributed works, texts
whose claimed authorship is unfounded) works that
attribute themselves to Enoch, the great-grandfather
of Noah; that is, Enoch son of Jared ( Genesis 5:18).
Enoch is also one of the two people in the Bible taken
up to heaven without dying (the other being Elijah),
as the Bible says "And Enoch walked with God, and he
was not; for God took him." ( Genesis 5:24; see also
Hebrews 11:5). Most commonly, the phrase "Book of
Enoch" refers to 1 Enoch, which is wholly extant only
in the Ethiopic language.
The biblical book of Jude quotes from the Book of
Enoch in verses 14-15, “Enoch, the seventh from
Adam, prophesied about these men: ‘See, the Lord is
coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy
ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the
ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the
ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly
sinners have spoken against him.’” But this does not
mean the Book of Enoch is inspired by God and
should be in the Bible.
Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a
non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes
Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we
should give any additional authority to Epimenides’
writings. The same is true with Jude, verses 14-15.
Jude quoting from the book of Enoch does not
indicate the entire Book of Enoch is inspired, or even
true. All it means is that particular verse is true. It is
interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book
of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch in
the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam,
prior to the Flood ( Genesis 5:1-24). Evidently, though,
this was genuinely something that Enoch prophesied
– or the Bible would not attribute it to him, “Enoch,
the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these
men…” ( Jude 14). This saying of Enoch was evidently
handed down by tradition, and eventually recorded in
the Book of Enoch.
We should treat the Book of Enoch (and the other
books like it) in the same manner we do the other
Apocryphal writings. Some of what the Apocrypha
says is true and correct, but at the same time, much
of it is false and historically inaccurate. If you read
these books, you have to treat them as interesting
but fallible historical documents, not as the inspired,
authoritative Word of God.

mazaje: You are a christian ONLY because you were born into a christian home, if you were born into a hindus family in indai you would have been Hindu, if you were born into a Shia family in Iran you would have been a Shia muslim. . .You are a christians today ONLY because you were born into the religion any other statement you make is false. . .You did NOT convert into christianity from another religion so what are you saying?. . .

am saying in ur world a person can't genuinely hv conviction of his faith. 1 gets into any faith only thro birth!!!! Wat an illogical reality u hv there friend

mazaje: Why do you need to be taught about Mohammed when you were already thought that Jesus is the only way to god?. . .It automatically condemns Mohammed since Mohammed's teachings are against what Jesus stood for. . .Stop threatening me with babalawo. . .You think if babalawo is real Nigeria will be the cesspool that it is?. . .Nigerians will be driving their babalawo made cars, planes, visiting babalawo for sugery, our military will be wearing babalawo made bullet proof vest and babalawo will help us develop our economy, but because it is a sham and make belief you guys take it hook line and sinker. . .The greatest magiacians alive today are all white men. . They perform magical feats NO babalawo in Nigeria can ever perform, they divide people into two, levitate in the air, make animals disappear, walk on burning coal, make accurate future predictions. . .Live inside ice for days etc on on camera and in front of many spectators. They do it in the open yet these same people have come out to say its all tricks and there is no supernatural power involved in what they do. . examples are Richard Angel, Darren Brown, James Randi, David Copperfield etc. . Their Video are on youtube. . .They all use tricks. . .You see your local babalawo using tricks to deceive people and you go haywire. . .Lets all the babalwos come together and develop the economy of your state, until them keep your mythical beliefs to yourself and stop threatening me with trash. . .

again I wonder how else one needs to show u how illogical ur argument is? How can I know it condemns Muhammed when I don't know whom muhammed is and what he believed and what muslims believe while growing up? dnt worry, wen they perform charm on u, I just hope u undo d "tricks", perhaps u will use youtube to undo them. U remind me of what I used to be. dnt worry, u'd soon see when it hits!

mazaje: If you were not born into any religion then why did you end up as a christian?. . .Are your parents not christians?. . .Where you not taken to sunday school?. . .Why do you deny that allah is god when close to 2 billion people accept him as god?. . .What about Brahama?. .About 1 billion Hindus accept him as the supreme god. . .All these people also responded personally to these gods I have mentioned so why is your own case different?. . .

can u now see how right I was? Now u r asking him why he is defending his faith, instead of ur assumption that he is a Christian because he was born into a Christian home (and that doesn't even make one a Christian - the concept has been abused by ur types for too long). Now he uses d argument of multiplicity of gods as if that holds any water! again dis is just showing ur ignorance!

mazaje: You are obviously not saying the truth. . .Going to church all these while has throught you that salvation can ONLY be found through Jesus. . .It thought you that Jesus is the only way to god without which you will end up in hell or the other side. . .Going to church all these while never thought you that Mohammed is the last messenger of allah and that those who agree to his teachings will have salavation and be saved the way you do. . .Christianity is BASED on blind faith. . .Now tell me how do you which one is true. . .Christians believe that Jesus died and ascended into heaven from somewhere in Israel, muslims also believe that Mohammed ascended into paradise on the back of a horse from the Masjid Alaqsar. . .Which of these is true and which is not?. . .Your answer depends on which religion you have been indoctrinated with but the reality is that blind faith is what makes you believe these things. . .If not blind faith explain to me how a virgin can give birth or how a man can live inside a fish for 3 days. . .

I do not know whether I shld say u reason or not. Does going to schl makes u undastnd all d subject u were being taught or are u being indoctrinated as such So not teaching me abt Muhammed means they condemned muhammed and said I shld view muslims as goin to hell? How does not telling u abt me means am condemning me? See how illogical u sound? Again u said Christianity is blind faith, well am nt gonna contest wit u cos u just dnt wanna know what it is about! Well like I said, to u everytin has to be before ur eyes, but wen babalawo nack u juju, u go begin know abt invisible realms too! I actually don't expect u to reason well, cos part of reasoning well means to evaluate the situation before u attack.

mazaje: Every religion is about indoctrination that is why they start teaching you about it at an early age. . .they don;t just teach you about the religion they also condemn other religions and tell you that all other religions are false and evil. . .they will tell you that only your religion is the true religion and the true way. . .The truth that is found in his religion is the same truth that is also found in other religions. . .All religions are equally valid or invalid. . .Who be babalawo?. . .Another nonsense. . .

see how glaring u keep committing d same error over and over...I hv been a church goer at a very young age and was never indoctrinated nor even know why muslims go to mosque or that they view God differently until wen I decided to study both Christianity and Islam myself and even teach my "Parents" what these faiths are about. so again stop committing these stupid errors! Christianity is not based on blind faith! Try doing a gud study before u bash it. Well, I dnt pray u know whom/what a babalawo is, but wen u do, u'd recant ur statements for sure.