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mazaje: The ONLY reason you are here telling me about the truth of your religion is because you were born into it. . .If you were born into a muslim or hindus home it will be a different trut you will be preaching. . .That is the fact. . .



You are saying this because you have been indoctrinated with the christian theology and as such it becomes the basis in which you view the world around you. . .If you were born into a Jewish family you would not be saying these things. . .You will actually laugh and mock people that say these things. . . .You are wired to believe that those that refuse to accept your religion are rebelling, but you forget that you also have refused to accept the religions of others.. Do you lose any sleep if a muslim tells you that you will spend eternity in hell for not accepting the islamic story and theology?. . .The answer is no, that is exactly the way me and others that do not accept your own man made religion and theology feel when you keep spewing your religious jargon at us. . .It only makes sense to you because you were born in the bubble and indoctrinated with it to see the world within it. . .Your life revolves around it because you were wired to and made to accept and see things that way. . .Others are also wired and made to accept other stories and other theology. . .There is no truth in your religion, just as there is no truth in the religion of others that you discard. . .They are all equally valid or invalid. . .They are all man made constructs to help them better appreciate life and this mysterious world we find ourselves in. . .

all this objection is based on ur assumption that "Christianity" is about indoctrination and that the person u addressed earlier has been brainwashed! Where u d one montoring his life? Why don't u ask him why he is passionately defending his faith instead of saying "indoctrination" Well I do not wonder wen u say its "man made" religion, but I do wonder if that means there is a "non-man made religion somewea". Well I guess to u, God doesn't exist and if He did, He couldn't have communicated at all. so keep imagining that if its not physical den its nt real. Perhaps wen 1 babalawo nack u juju, u go sabi better!

iamjane:

Let me read. Brb

I must say he looks funny *laffs* but he is ignorant of the text he is bashing! The Bible never said Cain dwell with people in the Land of Nod but "Cain settled in the land of Nod". The Bible never mentioned that prior to Cain's settling, people lived there. again, the guy foolishly ignores or is ignorant of the meaning of the word "Nod". Nod means "Wandering". So the land of Nod means "Land of Wandering". So much for bashing!!! Next!

Brandomg: The lords resistance Army has killed, abducted females for Christianity just like BH. Has this happened or not? How did these verses help us "appreciate God's nature?" Rubbish. The same way you are angry I quoted the bible is the same way a Christian quoted the Qua ran which was the reason for my response. You cannot claim to be clean while putting on good cloths when you have poo in your anus. All I said is for him to quote the verses the same way he told us to quote the Qur'an, I don't know why you are angry. Anyway, thanks for the insults.

pls try to engage meaningfully. So u can only mention one organisation? And pls tell us their argument and how they actually say its a Christian mission. Let's see ur source

One thing I do believe is that, at the time the human writers (under God breathed inspiration) penned d Bible, there were no errors in it, but as time passed on, due to age of the manuscripts and scribal errors, these so called "errors" crept in, of with majority if not all of the discrepancies have been duly explained and dealt with!

some people over look the fact of "scribal errors" and even think of the Biblical times as one of the ones we have today. One really need to know how fragile this manuscripts really are.

italo: While you believe the Bible fell from the sky into the hands of the gods of men you call men of God of all the millions of shops you call "denominations."

...and you want us to follow those millions of contradictory traditions...

yawnz!

I wonder why people call the Muslims who make daily headlines "fanatics". These muslims are only doing allah's biding! Why don't u just leave dem with the proper title of "Muslims", while the so called peace and quiet ones (really the ones whon are yet to seek virgins and aljana) shld be called "pseudo-muslims".

study islam and undastnd the mind of these terrorist! The only way aljana is sure in islam (without allah having a choice but to reward u as such) is to die in Jihad!!! Or why do u think muslims continually pray for muhammed? (dude ddnt die in war, and he wished he did). Stop calling them fanatics, if u do, its misinformation to the people! They are the true muslims

Watch the video, very short! Son of Hamas leader, tells us his story and Hamas' mission!

http://
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KakxXN5Z-XI

Muslims will never tell u abt the Gaza-Israeli conflict! How did d war started Who first incited d violence? Why are civilians dying in Gaza? Can't d govt evacuate d ppl from d area? Or they wanna use them to attract sympathy? U can call me a "Kafir" and 'll be proud if u do!!!

adsonstone: What kinda question is the bold?

The ambiguity of a statement is in relation to the subject of the discourse.

In relation to the issue the Pope was addressing- forgiveness of people that do not believe in God and what sin is to them, without mentioning "heaven" or saying anything about it makes it ambiguous.

Here's the original letter.

w2.vatican.va/content/francesco/it/letters/2013/documents/papa-francesco_20130911_eugenio-scalfari.html

...and here's an English translation of it.

m.repubblica.it/mobile/r/sezioni/cultura/2013/09/11/news/the_pope_s_letter-66336961/?ref=search&mfil=1

Here are reports from Catholic sources and general media considering the statement.

www.catholicvote.org/atheists-can-go-to-heaven-did-pope-francis-say-something-new/

www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-assures-atheists-you-dont-have-to-believe-in-god-to-go-to-heaven-8810062.html

I've pointed out what I meant...and I hope there's nothing else.

bro, why don't u just give it up! do u think dis catholic will stop defending the pope that is just anoda god in catholicism forget dis dude joor, he believes his church gave us d Bible and dat we all shld ff the traditions of the so called "one true church" while ours are fakes!

Funny how true it is!

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/world/asia/some-pakistani-women-risk-all-to-marry-for-love.html the fruits of islam

Some people sha want God to be answerable to them, and even demand that God shld take away our free will as a proof of His existence. seeking God isn't d same as "demanding he shows up"

italo: Anyone can do good, even Atheists. Because we are all redeemed, though not all saved.

Anyone who follows/claims to follow God/religion and does good as a result has done God/religion proud...even though he/she might still be in error. Was the good Samaritan a Jew or Christian before he could make Jesus proud?

Don't get too excited that I mentioned a Protestant. There are Catholic saints who gave their lives so that others may live. E.g Maximillian Kolbe.

A heretic is one who obstinately persists in heresy. I have no evidence that Mary Slessor did so...or that all Protestants do so.

I challenge you to quote me saying "all Protestants are heretics." You cant! Because I never say so. Majority of them are just innocently fooled by their greedy and proud heretic leaders/ministers/pastors.

We Catholics dont condemn everyone to hell, like some of you Protestants. Remember ChrisOkotie and the like.

yes, u dnt condemn everyone to hell, but u condemn "protestants". If u r not proud to really tell us what Catholicism is or u dnt know it, let ur brothers on dis site teach u. http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/

PAGAN9JA: baaa/............baaa..............baaaaaaa

I hope you atleast understood what I said above in your native Goat language, since you are still a learner in human language.

how can I undastnd d bleating?! am nt a goat na...keep insulting others, it seems that's d only proof u can come up wit. well we appreciate ur desperation

PAGAN9JA: Do you seriously need sources when you have "LIVE" examples on this thread?!

like I said, one has to be a "genius" of ur type to not ask for source

PAGAN9JA: mary slessor was known to spread bad rumours against all Pagan African religions in order to gain converts.

Now each religion is different from the other, depending on the ethnic group.

and this sly tactic of hers actually worked.

For example, In Maguzawa-Hausa religion, Ifa Orisha (Yoruba) religion, etc, etc. , twins are not killed. Yet pastors in these areas preach against indigenous religions for a crime they never comitted! Even Today.


And we all are aware what evil the spread of christianity in Nigeria has caused. You dont need to be a genius to figure that one out.

wow, I tot the first post was d proof? What wud u call dis?! If she spreads rumours, what am I supposed to say u r doin? Where is ur source where one can confirm dis?! It seems one will have to be ur kind of "genius" to not ask

PAGAN9JA: I just proved it you re.tard!

oh I see, ur vileness is d "kindest lot" and stopping d killin of twins is d "evilest lot"...what a proof

The mention of God irks some people so much. We always ask questions and expect God to conform by answering. Smh! Why don't we just command Him regardless of "His" will anyways! Perhaps that's what some want.
God is answerable to us - atheist (gnostic/agnostic)

PAGAN9JA: shut up. she is the worst and evilest of the lot. Your statement proves it. see how you blindly accused my Hausa ancestors of whom you know nothing of for killing twins.

This is a result of her works.

Gods curse on christianity and christians.

why curse wen u can prove it?! We wait to see d proof that she is the "evilest of the lot"

JMAN05: ok, but by saying "the closest you can get to", it will seem as if YHWH is not the actual letter by letter transliteration but it is.

However, the point your source made is that the closest to how the word was pronounced is Yahweh not Jehovah. that Jehovah was in error as it were. I will do more research on that. But it is worthy to note that english call words the way it seem easy, not to say it as it is in hebrew.

YHWH is the transliteration of the letters but the pronounciation closest to YHWH is Yahweh

Weah96: It's enough to tell you that you are a lazy person. Pacifist is the opposite of warmonger. You should have checked before addressing me like an adversary, since you obviously don't know the meaning.

u never grow tired of ranting...so if one isn't a "pacifist" den d person must be a "warmonger"? Smh!

JMAN05: ok, I will comsider the subject further. but I didnt understand ur last sentence.

saw the error now, it was supposed to go "...which the closest u can get to by writing the
Hebrew letter (4 in number) is YHWH

Weah96: Yours is a lost cause, my friend. It is you with the BP issues, judging from your comment. Since you're not a pacifist, what are you? A warmonger?

see? U just called someone a "lost cause", isn't dat enuf to tell u ur BP is high (over high dey worry am sef)....u can ask google the last part of ur post! guy let ur BP rest. or seek God!!!

Weah96: Because most believers are not pacifists like you. It feels good to mock someone who claims to know what happens when we die. Keep your claims to yourself, or express them and get ridiculed.

exatly my point. see as him BP high!!! And am nt a "pacifist", so stop attacking strawman!!! Like its been said, why dnt u just ignore "nothing" instead of getting high BP over nothing?! U really gave me a good laff u know

www.islam-watch.org/authors/138-jake-neuman/1552-the-obscenity-of-islam.html contains pictures of islamic brutality, allah's will and love

Whenever God is mentioned, some people BP dey always rise. I believe in God and I won't look down on other who don't. So y dnt y'all atheist just let those who believe in God be? afterall u can spend ur time doing sometin that matters instead of arguing against an "invisible man in the sky" as u all say. make una let una BP cool down oh!

http://m.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28381455 so much for the Spirit of Islam and Ramadan!

CanadaCars: Php 2:9-10 is not refering to Almighty God it is refering to Jesus whom Almighty God exalted to very lofty position because of his loyalty and faithfulness, please read that scriptural text carefully it is quoted below.
"Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth"
So my friend Almighty God cannot be exalted because he is Almighty and does not need to be exaulted, it is Jesus that was exalted by his father Jehovah or YAWEH, which is the name of God.

where is the name of God, YHWH first given in the Bible, and by who?

JMAN05: The fact is: no one can say with absolute certainty how the name was pronounced by the ancient Hebrew. Even if Yahweh is the proper pronunciation, Jehovah could be viewed as how it sounds in English. English does not in all cases follow the exact Hebrew sound in its pronunciation of Hebrew names.

Even Gesenius never thought "Jehovah" was entirely out of the picture. In his Hebrew and Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament Scriptures he says: “Those who consider that יְהוָֹה [Ye-ho-wah] was the actual pronunciation [of God’s name] are not altogether without ground on which to defend their opinion. In this way can the abbreviated syllables יְהוֹ [Ye-ho] and יוֹ [Yo], with which many proper names begin, be more satisfactorily explained.”

I asked a question of, is Yahweh not English enuf and had u read what I posted well, u shld hv seen hw "Jehovah" is derived and that it says that the knowledge of the Q're would hv prevented such word. We hv many names compounded with Yahweh, e.g Elijah (Eliyahu), Netanyahu, Jesus (Yehusha), Joshua (Yehoshua), etc. so the way the Jews pronounce it isn't d problem, but the fact that the penning of the name doesn't insert the vowel points at all...which the closest u can get to but writing the Hebrew letter (4 in number) is YHWH

BadBoy25: i'm guessing you are Jehovah's witness. well, Charles Taze Russell did a good Job brainwashing and mind controlling you all into his Cult.
I like how the Jehovah's witness ,seventh day adventist and the rest go from door to door preaching ,but it makes me really sad and disappointed that they are spreading the wrong and false information. it pains me to know that their effort is in vain . what a waste of effort ! I wish they were spreading what I have explained so far which is the one and only truth .

lolzzz, well, I saw it coming to him, from his very first quote! The cult of those who worship 2 gods!

seunbadmus: Latin... a derivative of the Hebrew Yahweh

The origins for the composite term Jehovah came
from early English translators who transposed the
vowels from Adonai to the Tetragrammaton, and
read the word literally so that the Y in YHWH, was
pronounced as a J in English, and the W as a V.[1]
Taking the spellings at face value may have been as
a result of not knowing about the Q're perpetuum,
thus resulting in the term "Jehovah" and its
spelling variants. The Catholic Encyclopedia (1910)
states: "Jehovah (Yahweh), the proper name of God
in the Old Testament".[16] Had they known about
the Q're perpetuum, the term "Jehovah" might
never have come into being.[17] Emil G. Hirsch was
among the modern scholars that recognized
"Jehovah" to be "grammatically
impossible" ( Jewish Encyclopedia (1901), Vol VII,
p. 87).

The Hebrew scholar Wilhelm Gesenius [1786–1842]
had suggested that the Hebrew punctuation יַהְוֶה,
which is transliterated into English as "Yahweh",
might more accurately represent the pronunciation
of the Tetragrammaton than the Biblical Hebrew
punctuation " יְהֹוָה", from which the English name
"Jehovah" has been derived. His proposal to read
YHWH as "יַהְוֶה" (see image to the left) was based
in large part on various Greek transcriptions, such
as ιαβε, dating from the first centuries CE, but also
on the forms of theophoric names. In his Hebrew
Dictionary, Gesenius supports "Yahweh" (which
would have been pronounced [jahwe], with the
final letter being silent) because of the Samaritan
pronunciation Ιαβε reported by Theodoret, and
that the theophoric name prefixes YHW [jeho] and
YH [jo] can be explained from the form "Yahweh".
[22] Today many scholars accept Gesenius's
proposal to read YHWH as יַהְוֶה. Gesenius' proposal
gradually became accepted as the best scholarly
reconstructed vocalized Hebrew spelling of the
Tetragrammaton.

Why is Yahweh not English enuf? Consider the name Netanyahu---how do u handle it if u want d word "Jehovah" to be there instead of Yahweh which appears as a shortened form "yahu" as no creature can take d Divine Name?!

seunbadmus: It is not corruption of the name, but linguistics makes us understand that various names could have derivatives of sounds with various languages. When the white men called the Izon people Ijaw, it's a result of their accent. The yoruba will call Jesus, 'Jesu', etc...

in which language is "Jehovah" Pls