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Annaka: mtcheeeeeeew u nid help urgently 4rm vatican city,i tot i was talkin 2 a sane person

POPE II: You don't make sense bro

Please answer this question: who created the Catholic church?

How can Jesus insult his own church or denomination?
I don't need to wake up but you my friend need your drugs lol

clefstone: The mystery of the Bible is difficult to understand when u pick up verses in isolation. It's even more difficult to understand it if you don't know God and understand his majesty. Unlike you nd me, God does not live in time nd in him there is no distinction between past, present and future. The prophesy of Rev 3:15 is actually the first prophesy of the coming of Christ. Like Isaiah said, ''who would have believed what we now report'', no one wud undastnd what that prophesy implied until Mary comes into d picture since man, unlike God, depend on time for things to be revealed. Notice that God kept on referring to eve as the woman. Notice also that Christ(God made flesh) kept on referring to his mother, Mary as woman. As was first said by Justin Martyr nd later expounded by Irenaeus, Mary is the new Eve. So wen our timeless God looked at Eve, he was talking to that woman who will come in time to bear his son(Rev 3:15) as well as the one that caused his son Adam to disobey him(Rev 3:16).
In d bible Jesus did not call himself son of David, though he was and he chose to call his Mother woman because in her, he as the timeless God saw 'the woman'. Ever wondered y he chose to call her woman and not mother or Mary? U just got ur answer. Pls dont fail to read Rev 12. Thr u will also see The woman, her offspring(child), pain of labour, d dragon and his offsprings(his angels). You picked d wrong Catholic bro
Mr, from ur arguement, are u implying that Mary isnt the mother of Jesus. By definition, a mother is one who bore a child. ''a virgin shall CONCIEVE nd BEAR a child''

Annaka: if u r proud of ur church why dont u go ahead and tel us d name instead of beaten around d bush

clefstone: From your first premise i.e sola scriptura, you make all your arguement invalid. If u believe only those tins found in d bible, i ask again, is it in the Bible that d Bible is an exclusive book of instruction? So whr did u get that from? Not from d Bible i'm sure. It therefore means that judging by your own belief, you r living a lie.
I knew i wud get the exact response from u wen i wrote about The Church nd avoided d use of Catholic. What is The Church? There can be but one Church since thr is one body of Christ and the Church, which Christ prophesied will take the goodnews to d ends of d earth is Catholic(universal) and Apostolic(follows d apostolic tradition).
And wen d church fathers did not come to a concensus as to books such as Revelation, Hebrew, James etc, who settled d issue nd issued d canon. I'm not here to brag about Catholic church creating d NT, matter of fact i believe it was a divine action we cannot explain. But it was The Church(again i use 'The Church' but dont be fooled a 2nd time) that made it scripture through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and This Church include d apostles and d early Church Fathers, it includes you nd me, it includes all the people of God, living and dead, in heaven and on earth. It is the body of Christ and it has authority, as he said to Peter, authority to bind nd loose.
Thanks for liking me to a fowl, afterall Jesus was called Belzeebub

clefstone: you r tryin so hard but stil gettin it all wrong. First of all, i didnt write anytin to suggest tht Jesus said Mary is His mother in Matthew, well he didn't need to cos evrybody knew she was. 2ndly, wen Christ was about to die, he said to John, ''son behold your Mother'' and Mary went to live with John from tht moment. If Mary had other sons and daughters i doubt it if that wud hv bin possible. 3rdly, Luke 3 traces Christ's geneology through Joseph and not Mary and see wht it had to say, ''He was the son, SO IT WAS THOUGHT, OF Joseph, the son of Heli. 4thly, Jesus called Mary woman for a reason. Note, Jesus' life was a fulfilment of the old testament. Now, in Gen 3:15, it is written, ''I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offsprings and hers, He will crush your head and you will strike his heel''. Who is d woman you may ask? The quickest ansa tht will come to mind is Eve. But look again. Wen it mentioned the offsprings of the woman it was in singular form, 'HE' and not 'they'. Now who is the offspring of the woman, who is d HE? If the HE is Jesus, d woman becomes who? Then wen u read about Jesus callin his mother woman you should undastnd that He was fulfillin that prophecy. Match this with Revelation 12 and u will get greater insight.

clefstone: Ignorance in high places. What makes a Catholic? You love d early Church fathers nd agree wit their teachings yet u deny Marian theology. Unfortunately here are some facts to show the early father's recognised Mary as very special.
1. Your friend St. Irenaeus called Mary the new Eve. I agree she is but Is it in d bible that Mary is new eve?
2. St. Augustine wrote that Mary is a perpetual virgin citing Ezek 44:2, ''this gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it. because the Lord the God of Isreal hath entered in by it''. He concluded that mary was a virgin b4 Jesus birth, during his birth and forever after his birth.
3. St. justin Martyr also parallels the relationship between Mary and Eve.

Annaka: oo pls shut up,we r only answerable 2 God,its non of ur biznes if we r honourin mary or not

Annaka: I AM PROUDLY CATHOLIC,wot of u which CORNER SIDE church do u attend?

POPE II: Jesus------> God
Jesus to Peter--------> on this rock I will build my church


Peter----------> Catholic and first pope (this debunk your so called existence of churches before catholi church(which is the early church)

Therefore

Jesus--------> Catholic

What about being grateful for the bible? For the blood we shed to protect the Christendom against Moslems ? For the sign of the cross ?

Catholicism is the Alfa and omega , God's own church .

clefstone: with all due respect, you don't argue intelligently. You just copied and pasted wikipedia without reading through nd matching it wit d topic. When Paul wrote tht d Holy Scriptures were written for all as u rightly quoted, was he referring to d NT texts which were not even written then? My brother, that there are 27 books of the new testament, with 4 gospel accounts is a Church dogma. Yes, the ultimate decision was influenced by d writings of the early church fathers but even these writing had some discrepancies with each other. For example, if u go back to read wikipedia, u will discover that some did not believe Revelation to be scripture, some did not consider some pauline letters as written by St. Paul. But it was when the Church(notice i try to avoid using Catholic) made it a canon that those 27 books began to be seen universally as d books of the NT. I am only using this as an example to show the authority of the Church. And it is significant that it is not written anywhr in scripture that the Bible is an exclusive document of instruction. As 'Catholics' we believe in sacred tradition, scripture and divine revelation. We believe that everytin in d Bible is true but we also hv other sources of inspiration.

POPE II: Jesus was Catholic.
Besides before the great schism you all heretics were Catholics . So Catholic gave u everything even Christmas and Easter, stop being ungrateful and don't let your hate blinds u

POPE II: THE SAME WORDS WE GAVE YOU ?

POPE II: ^^ get a life

clefstone: You keep on running in circles. You claimed Mary is not Mother of God because Jesus did not call her mother. However, on multiple occassions d Bible author referred to her as his mother and the people of his time called Mary his mother just like the blind man called him the Son of David as u cited. Don't even try to use d passage he said ''my mother and my brothers are...........'' cos if u r smart enough u'l know why he said that given d context. Learn hw to undastnd d scripture in context instead of reading a line nd thinking its ur eureka moment.
Secondly, how can d geneology account of Matthew explain Jesus' relationship wit David in flesh when the said account traces down Jesus' lineage from Abraham through to Joseph. Or don't u know Jesus nd Joseph were not related in flesh?

ChickRockz: You seem to be an atheist...God help you..you really need it...Anyway,Sex crimes or not.The Vatican didn't pay Time Magazine to get this award...And who said they are not trying to apprehend and excommunicate such priests..The Church already has too much on their plate..If you were in the Pope's shoes I'd like to see you take on and handle all the cases he handles in a single day..remember Rome was not built in a day..that the case of the Ambassador was not handled immediately does not mean it would never be handled..Did you even bother to ask why he was recalled....Haven't you heard of Diplomatic Immunity? Diplomats and Ambassadors are NOT tried in the countries where they are guilty of offences but are handed over to their native country for trial...stop making ignorant statements
Since molestation is now considered illegal,why is there no chance for the priest to be prosecuted?...<fallacy>

clefstone: Usurping authority? Who established the Bible as an authority; d Church or d Bible itself. Where in d Bible is it written that a book of authority be compiled? Who compiled d Bible and gave it authority? Is it documented in the Bible that any idea outside it is false?
Now, the Bible is an authoritative document compiled by THE CHURCH through the gaurdiance of the Holy Spirit which is the divine councellor of d church. For the Church to compile such a document, it has to have authority itself. No wonder Jesus invoked authority on the Church, when He said to Peter, ''you r the rock and upon this rock i will build my Church.............whatever u bind on earth is bound in heaven and whatever u loose on earth is loosed in heaven''. Such is the power/authority of the Church, d same authority wit wc she established d Bible as a spiritual document to guide the faithfuls. (to be contd......)

clefstone: Usurping authority? Who established the Bible as an authority; d Church or d Bible itself. Where in d Bible is it written that a book of authority be compiled? Who compiled d Bible and gave it authority? Is it documented in the Bible that any idea outside it is false?
Now, the Bible is an authoritative document compiled by THE CHURCH through the gaurdiance of the Holy Spirit which is the divine councellor of d church. For the Church to compile such a document, it has to have authority itself. No wonder Jesus invoked authority on the Church, when He said to Peter, ''you r the rock and upon this rock i will build my Church.............whatever u bind on earth is bound in heaven and whatever u loose on earth is loosed in heaven''. Such is the power/authority of the Church, d same authority wit wc she established d Bible as a spiritual document to guide the faithfuls. (to be contd......)

clefstone: If then David calls him Lord, how can he be His son(Matt 22:44). Jesus rightly called the Father God because while on earth he lowered himself to take the form of man. Since men depended on God, Jesus had to do d same in his human nature. Hence a Apostle Paul wrote, ''though his nature was divine, he did not cling to his equality with God, a thing to be grasped. Thr is no corelationship between David/Christ nd Father/Christ relationships.
How is Jesus David's son according to d flesh?

clefstone: If then David calls him Lord, how can he be His son(Matt 22:44). Jesus rightly called the Father God because while on earth he lowered himself to take the form of man. Since men depended on God, Jesus had to do d same in his human nature. Hence a Apostle Paul wrote, ''though his nature was divine, he did not cling to his equality with God, a thing to be grasped. Thr is no corelationship between David/Christ nd Father/Christ relationships.
How is Jesus David's son according to d flesh?

Annaka: i pray u dont die of high bp becos of catholic church

clefstone: You keep twisting d Bible to foster ur anti-Catholic agenda. Where in d Bible did Jesus call himself son of David? Please read Matt 22:42-46 to correct your lies.

alextayo: It is very obvious that you are suffering from crude ignorance and gross unpopularity syndrome and you are just looking for cheap popularity by attacking the Catholic Faith...We Catholics have decided to ignore like a contingent being(if you understand what that means and i bet you wont ...unless you visit google).

If you truly need this popularity, why dont you pitch your tent on the 3rd mainland bridge and I bet you, you will become a celebrity overnight.

maclatunji: It is a fact that Christians don't worship God like Jesus did. And again I ask who was Jesus worshipping?

maclatunji: Thank you for continually exposing your ignorance, I can see you are pained by the fact that it has been proven that the way Jesus (AS) worshipped is identical to Muslim's Solat and you Christians simply do not do that. Like I said, the point is made but Islam as perfected by Prophet Muhammad (SAW) goes beyond what Jesus did or did not do. We just have to come down to your elementary level to help you out of your arrogant ignorance.

The teachings of Jesus to Jews are all over the Quran, grab a translated copy and read.

Actually, the minimum requirement for being a Muslim is believing in the oneness of God exclusively and the person can they graduate to Solat, Fasting and other things. But wait, you would not know that, you are too ignorant but still insist on debating.

You know sometimes one is too busy to address ignorance spewed by Christians like you and OP.

That gives you guys false confidence. #Hehehe

maclatunji: @bolded, HAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAA! It really must be hard to be outpunched to the point of stupor. Go forth and study Islam properly before trying to debate. At the moment, you do not even understand Christianity which you profess.

Muslims are not bound by the acts of worship of Jesus (AS) except for two things- Believing in the oneness of God and worshiping him alone without associating partners with him. Secondly, recognising Jesus (AS) as God's Prophet to the Jews not to anyone else, Muhammad (SAW) had a global mission.

Our reference to Jesus (AS) act of worship is just to point out to you, that you guys are not truly followers of Christ. It is the corruption of the teachings of Jesus (AS) that made it absolutely necessary to have the last Prophet, Muhammad (SAW) to round-off God's message for mankind. As you have noted, there are similarities amongst the Prophets.



Are you crippled? Crippled people must bow their heads to the degree of their ability, your debating skills are poor. I know, I know, it is difficult to accept that you are the ignorant one when for virtually the whole of your life, you thought others were ignorant. I see from your spelling that you fail to understand that "Allah" means "God" in Arabic.

You are very confused- I mean, you actually belief that God is a white man with a long beard and that fake picture is that of Jesus (AS)? What a pity...

Let us not forget Christmas is a fraud too. Yes, I said so because Jesus (AS) was never born on December 25. Confused! Confused!! Confused!!!

maclatunji: I hereby nominate this post for the "Ignorant Post of the Year" award because what Muslims are to perform is 5 daily Solat which is exactly worship. Prayer in Arabic is "Dua'a" corrupted to "Adua" in Yoruba or "Adura" in the urban version.

Your ignorance is very grand. So, if Jesus (AS) worshipped in the bible as Muslims do, what does that tell you?

By the way , who was he worshipping?

harbiola1: What verse?



Was this for Inhabitants of Jerusalem the alleged murderers of Jesus?



You are quoting Isaiah to strengthen ur heretic arguments?
Nw, After that verse, did righteous jews stop killing animals for their festival?


Did Jesus celebrate Jewish festivals or not?



Acts 3:1 "One day, Peter and John were going up to the TEMPLE at the time of PRAYER at THREE in the afternoon."

These were the true followers of Jesus going to the TEMPLE to PRAY.

1. Pls help me google how Jews pray in the TEMPLE and tell us ur discovery.

2. Why did they have to go and PRAY at THREE?
let me guess ur google answer. i think it's because 3 o'clock PRAYER is the 2 out of 3 times Jewish daily PRAYER.

Acts 2:45 "Every day they continued to meet together in the TEMPLE"

clefstone: See who is looking for Bible proof writing contra-biblical fact. Where is it written tht Jesus considered David as greater than Mary?