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obedience4:
Erodgan, yet he called the Kurdish people PPK a terrorist organisation,and wanted European countries to deport them so he can imprison them.

Yet the Kurdish people are only fighting for their land.


When we all this propaganda stop in nairaland??

Secession is not allowed under Turkish constitution so the PKK can't have their own separate state though they've adopted terror tactics to fight the Turkish state. You can't compare the PKK to Hamas. The Palestinian people are fighting an existential threat from an artificial state (Israel) created by British mandate after the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

Israel has subjected them to suffering and brutality of all forms for decades. Israel keep stealing their land daily so their fight is justified. PKK is a group within a state that want to secede but the Palestinian people are the owners of their land the current crop of Israelis met them on the land cause they were brought from Europe by ship to fulfill British colonial mandate in Palestine.

WrriterNig:
⚡Erdogan views Hamas as a patriotic group defending its people and lands, not a terrorist organization. He called its members "warriors." He also stated he won't visit Israel and that Turkey is not indebted to Israel, implying some Western countries might be.

This is a sensible man talking.

Macmilla:
When you want to buy a $50 wristwatch on AliExpress in 2027.

This is funny 😂🤣

WrriterNig:
⚡Maria Zakharova:

I read the cry of NATO members that people might forget about Zelensky.

Please don't worry - we won't let you forget. We will talk about the crimes of the Kiev regime every day.

This woman sha 🤣😂
I just like her

Why are some religious bigots derailing this thread? You people should go to religion section na.

Appleyard:
You just said the obvious. Trying to justify a criminal act in the name of being oppressed is naturally and legally wrong. Both Israel and Hamas committed act of terror, and it's only out of emotion that some of our brothers here want to justify or exonerate their deeds. What is wrong is always wrong no matter whose horse is gored.

That's it they are all wrong according to you. Even our slave ancestors who liberated themselves when they fought and kill their white slave masters who oppressed killed, raped and amputated their legs for centuries were wrong if we are to go by your "Two wrongs don't make a right".

The likes of slave liberators Toussaint Louverture and Jean Jacque Dessalines led slave rebellion in Haiti. The 1804 Haitian Revolution was the bloodiest of all slave rebellion of that era and Haiti was free and the Haitian Revolution even influenced slave rebellion in America cause it raised the consciousness of Black slaves everywhere that if their brothers in Haiti could free themselves they too can be free.

Your same black brothers in the US took up arms against their oppressors forming the Black Panther movement when they couldn't take it anymore aren't they wrong after all according to Appleyard's yardstick.

Your same Black brothers in South Africa did same thing during the apartheid regime aren't they wrong after all according to you? Even the French revolution has something to teach us.

Go and read about the history of rebellion. Their is a limit to which people can take shit until they rise up and rebel. It is embedded in our nature.

At least some countries in the Middle East are now saying the solution to the problem is to go back to the 1967 borders if Hamas did not do this we won't be hearing such. Though they still have a long way to go but they can't just continue to take this shit from Israel.

What should Hamas and Palestinian people do? since you always preach "two wrongs don't make a right". You are still avoiding this question.

WrriterNig:
⚡Israel has reportedly begun the process of Evacuating a number of its Embassies and Consulates across the Middle East as well as Northern Africa with Diplomates claimed to Departing from Jordan, Turkey, and Morocco.

Israel plans to invade Gaza and root out Hamas once and for all and it knows the consequences that's why it is evacuating diplomats from the middle east. US and its European allies are evacuating their citizens too. Something awful is about to happen. The middle east is about to explode.

WrriterNig:
⚡State Department official Josh Paul has resigned in protest of the Biden administration’s unconditional backing of the Israeli regime.

"We cannot be both against occupation and for it. We cannot be both for freedom and against it. And we cannot be for a better world, while contributing to one that is materially worse."- Paul said

At least this one has conscience.

WrriterNig:
⚡Commander of the US Central Command (Centcom) General Michael Kurila has arrived in Israel.

"I am here to ensure that Israel has what it needs to defend itself, and I am particularly focused on preventing the escalation of the conflict" said General Kurila.

People wey run out of Afghanistan in the midnight won "prevent the escalation of the conflict" o

WrriterNig:
⚡"Biden just announced that he was born in Israel. This means that he could not be elected President of the United States" -Maria Zakharova on Biden's words in Israel.

This woman like vawulence 🤣🤣🤣

HardBishop:
Better tell your brethren to stop fighting Israel and agree on a two state.

Lols. It is Israel that has refused the two-state solution. The Oslo accord signed by Israeli Prime-Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Palestine leader Yasser Arafat includes a two state provision later. Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by an Israeli who was not pleased with the. Oslo accord and the normalization with Palestine.

Israel did not honor the accord cause you can't say you honor a peace accord while you continue taking Palestine lands and the West Played Palestine like football over the accord that was how it died a natural death. Below is the picture of both Palestine and Israeli leaders after the accord was agreed upon US president Bill Clinton is seen in the Middle posing as a broker but that day he was actually laughing at that Palestine leader in his heart by saying "we the entire west are just deceiving you"

Alamkir:
I agree that the manner in which Hamas went about it is wrong, and I said it from beganing.
If I may ask, what do u think is the best way for them to go about it? Since everyone refuse to listen to their cry for decades. What is ur suggestion?

That's the question I have been asking those blaming Hamas here and they keep avoiding the question. How should they have gone about it? Isreali forces must gun down at least two Palestinians in a day and Israel keeps taking their land by building illegal settlements on them. Israel demolishes their houses whenever it feels it needs to pave the way for its own illegal construction.

The world has turned a blind eye. Their Arab brothers have failed them. Iran who is the only country on their side can't do it alone. Hamas knew Israel would always use its Dahiya Doctrine of disproportionate bombing whenever it does something like this but like some one here said it is better to rebel and die fighting than just stand aloof while you suffer in pain that is still going to lead to death.

Well at the end of the day if Israel takes the whole land and there is no Palestine anymore may be there would be peace and their Arab brothers would take them as refugees cause with what I have seen lately the way the West and the Arab countries have handled this conflict. The Palestinians can't get a state hood and Israel will continue to take the land.

Appleyard:
Anybody that attack innocent civilians no matter the reasons so advocated is guilty of terrorism because its folly to hold civilian populations accountable for the actions of their government.

The Hamas attack that kills unsuspecting and harmless people, be it Israelis or not, is pure act of terror, and the IDF that has been killing Palestinian stone throwing kids and young men for ages, including the latest bombing of the Baptist hospital are guilty of terrorism and murder as well.

I represent truth on the side of humanity, I don't represent Jews or Palestinians in the name of religious bigotry.

No you do not represent humanity anyone who represents humanity must be ready to say the truth. You avoided my question. Why did Hama strike? Did Hamas just like doing this for the fun of it? If Israel did not expand up to this level by encroaching on Palestinian lands and killing them daily there won't be Hamas. Even the Oslo peace accord that Yasar Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin signed was not honored by Israel instead Israel continued to expand and encroach on Palestinian lands.

Our black ancestors were taken to sugarcane plantions in the Americas they were subjected to all forms of barbarity but at some point they rose up against their slave masters and spilled blood to gain their freedom. Should we call them terrorists too? The Palestinians are fighting the war of liberation though the hypocritical west is against them but like someone here said it's better to die fighting oppression than stand aloof while enduring its pains which will still lead to your death.

RikudoSennin:
I just got back from work and I saw the tweets. How can you bomb a hospital?

Bro, what Israel did today is the spark that kickstarts WW3. We already said it was gonna come from ME or the Balkans.

This is not the first time Israel would deliberately bomb hospital in Palestine and have patients there killed. In 2014 Israel-Hamas war that was how Israeli airforce indiscriminately bombarded hospitals in Palestine and the world moved on. Check links below

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2014/07/israelgaza-attacks-medical-facilities-and-civilians-add-war-crime-allegations/

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle-east-unrest/another-gaza-hospital-hit-israeli-strike-four-dead-40-hurt-n161086

Israel has done it again and the world would move on as usual because Israel has the backing of US and the entire West. One thing is after this war is over Israel would still continue to take Palestine lands and kill the innocent Palestinian in its systematic ethnic cleansing but when Hamas reacts they call them "terrorists"

Cc: Appleyard

Appleyard:
That was a black lie. I'm disappointed with Israel. They have successfully turned global emotion against themselves. Everyone knew that Hamas rocket doesn't have such magnitude of destruction, otherwise, most parts of Israel that they successfully hit since the war began would have burned down completely, but that wasn't the case. Netanyahu is just as guilty a barbarian as Hamas was in their initial attack of Israel .

Spit.

So Hamas was guilty in their initial attack right? What provoked such retribution from Hamas? Do you know how many innocent Israeli that have died at the hands of Israeli security forces since the beginning of this year? Should Palestinians continue to endure this hellish life Israel has subjected them to. The West is not ready to give them a statehood. Their Arab brothers that should be fighting for them are asslicking US.

Or should they vacate their remaining tiny land that Israel is still trying to take from them and come to Nigeria to become refugees? They don't have a stand by military Hamas is the only movement that can fight and avenge them. The rulers of the world (The West) are against them. So what exactly should they do if Hamas is "guilty" as you have said. You people won't see the atrocities Isreal had been committing but whenever Hamas respond then they are "terrorists" they are "guilty". It is well.

Badassniggga:
I don't think Iran has what it takes to build a nuke yet. Russia will never give them the secrets.

What did I just read?

Iran built its own Nuclear plants and centrifuges go and research o. If Iran wants a nuke today it'll build it. Do you know how much pressure and sanctions the West has placed on them? If they can't go it alone the West would not have placed such sanctions and Isreal won't be worried at all. Isreal cannot sleep with her two eyes closed just because of Iranian nuclear programme. Abeg no talk this thing outside o.

WriteerNig:
⚡Jake Sullivan, US National Security Advisor: "We can't rule out that Iran will intervene directly in the war in Israel in some way. We are worried about Iran, Hezbollah and other proxy forces"

Una don ship weapons to Israel send aircraft carriers to the mid east. Una airforces in the mid-east are on alert, Una still dey worry again. Wetin una want sef. I no understand Una again o

WriiterNig:
⚡The King of Jordan, in negotiations with the US Secretary of State, warned against any attempts to oust or resettle Palestinians - Al-Arabiya TV

Mr King that has been the plan all along, to oust Palestinians from their homeland. You and your Sunni Arab allies like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, UAE have sold the Palestinian people while ass licking US. Posterity will judge you all.

Masterviolence:
This is not how the world would listen to their cries.

Now, every sane nation would never openly support them on this manner of approaching their problem.

Can you explain how they should have handled it? How should Hamas have handled Israel's killing of innocent Palestine civilians daily. That has been ongoing for years. How should they have handled the land grab that has been going on for decades which UN has cautioned Israel to stop many times over but Israel did not because it has US and it western allies backing.

What you are seeing is the hypocrisy of the West and their true intention. They want Israel to take the whole land and they don't even want a two state solution or a state hood for Palestine. The reason they are deploying military assets to middle east is to stop other regional actors from aiding Hamas and allow Israel achieve its aim.

One would think these western countries should be making moves towards mediation but they have openly come out to say we support Israel's aggression and land grab. That's just it. Israel wants to write off Palestine that has been the goal from the beginning either Hamas strikes or not it does not change Israel's approach which is ethnic cleansing of Palestinians and taking the whole land which has been going on for decades and supported by the West.

Trying hard to help Israel cover the shame.

Stoplying:
It's like we are dealing with two fanatical groups here:
1. Supporters of colonialism
2. Supporters of Israeli genocide on Palestinians
3. Supporters of terrorist attacks by some Israeli soldiers on Palestinians
4. Supporters of terrorist attacks by some hsmas soldiers on civilians
5. I really don't like fanatics

Ok please how should the Palestinian people deal with the situation since those who rule the world (The West) are against them. Israel knows that the Palestinians would one day get a statehood so the goal is to grab as much land as possible before Palestine get a statehood and Hamas knows this.

Check the map of Palestine in the end they might become refugees in other countries after Israel has grabbed everything. And you want them to sit down and watch just like that.

Well. You are not a Palestinian. Put yourself in their shoes I bet you would have joined Hamas by now. If you were a Black man in the US in the 60's you would join the Black Panther. Freedom doesn't come on a platter of gold you have to fight for it, you have to be brutal. Even Black slaves in America rebelled and killed their white American oppressors and their children go and read the history of slave uprising in America.

Stoplying:
No, nothing justifies terrorism. Hamas shouldn't endorse terrorism and should denounce its members who did terrorist attacks.
Violence against the violent, not against innocent families.

Israeli forces kill innocent Palestine civilians everyday of this life and the world always move on without saying a word but when it comes to Hamas we are always quick to call them terrorists. What an unjust world.

Israel occupation forces are the terrorists here. Can't you people see? Did Hamas just start all this for fun. Don't you read news everyday how Israeli police and soldiers kill these people like chicken even when there is no war.

Stoplying:
Hamas needs to come out and condemn the guys in their side who killed civilians and bring them to justice (people say this happened, I don't know). Also any civilian hostage must be released. If Hamas doesn't do these, its leadership can be considered terrorist and should be listed as an enemy of Palestine alongside Israel.

The violence of colonialism can only be met with corresponding violence - Frantz Fanon

Anything Hamas does is justified it's like you people don't know what the Palestinian people have faced under Israeli occupation and oppression. Israeli forces kill innocent Palestine civilians everyday of this life and the world always move on without saying a word but when it comes to Hamas we are always quick to call them terrorists. What an unjust world.

Procashtips:
Palestine have more authentic Jews and Christians than the so called Israel.

This is a verified fact.

Exactly. The ones Britain brought to the area are fake Jews in fact atheists and Europeans from all walks of life were brought to Palestine from Europe by ship when Britain got Palestine as mandate after the fall of the Ottoman empire after WW1.

demmie1:
Because the romans destroyed their lands in 70AD and they scattered all over the world to europe, armenia, ethiopia, but there were small settlements remaining in the land that had no political significance until the british help them create the state of isreal in 1948AD

I have listened to an Israeli historian who said there is no historical record that established the lie that the Jews left Palestine for Europe he said that did not occur. This rethoric is just made up by Europe to establish its false claim that the fake jews they brought from Europe by ship to fulfill British colonial mandate in Palestine once left the area and are now returning to their homeland.

He said it had always been the vision of Europe to take Jerusalem and its surrounding area since the time of the The Crusades. Which is true. Anyone who knows the history of the Crusades would know that the plan to take Jerusalem and its environs started in the 11th century by the crusaders.

All the Israeli historians saying the truth about this matter have been made to leave Israel because they were receiving threats from Mossad.

WrriterNig:
⚡️Israeli bombing towards Bastra Farm in Shebaa Farms, Lebanon

Una sure say Hezbollah no go enter this thing.

mysticwarrior:
The middle has been plagued by wars since the beginning of time.

The Muslims had always been their own problem right from time since the the era of The Crusades through betrayal. It was Sharrif Hussein also known as Hussein bin Ali King of Hejaz in Saudi Arabia that helped Britain and France to put an end to Ottoman rule through out middle east through his Great Arab Revolt.

Why? The Wahhabis in Saudi Arabia detests the Ottomans because they didn't see them as true Muslims so there were wranglings between the Ottoman Empire and Saudi Arabia. Britain and France who already had colonial interest in the Middle East saw this and exploited it and approached Hussein Bin Ali to help them route the Ottomans out of Middle East. So they promised him control of greater Arab state, Syria, Palestine Lebanon and Jordan. Shariff Hussein fell for it and led a popular Revolt known as Great Arab Revolt by historians through out the Middle East and all the sunnis expelled the Ottomans.

As a result the Ottomans lost the control of Palestine and other Areas it was controlling in the middle East. Now when it came to the time that the British and French should fulfill their promises to Hussein Ben Ali they reneged and took those Ottoman territories for themselves.

It later dawned on Hussein Ben Ali he had been used by these imperialists. He spent the rest of his life regretting it. Because no matter what the Ottomans were still their Muslim brothers instead of this white imperialists that has come to occupy their lands. If he didn't fall for Britain's trick by helping her to put an end to Ottoman rule in Palestine and other Areas in middle east there would be no Israel that we have today.

The Muslims had always been their own problem since the era of The crusades. At Versailles when the League of Nations was declaring Palestine, Syria as Mandate of British and French empire respectively Hussein Bin Ali's son was shocked he went back home to solidify his grip on Syria the French sent troops to wage war against him in what is known as Battle of Maysalun. He had to flee Syria.

His father finished Middle East.

mysticwarrior:
Even though the motive behind his statement is to mock Isreal, he is right about what he said.

As in, Ayatollah Khamenei can troll and mock Chai. That man ehn. For US to have hurriedly sent strike group to the Middle East because of Israel is even an embarrassment and a mockery of Israel's "invincibility".

US knows if Hezbollah enters this war Israel would face a humiliating defeat hence the need to send a strike group to the region. Everyone now knows that Israel exists because it is being propped up by America.

tonididdy:
...but Hamas did it
And isreals acts of past and present suddenly became justifiable to the eyes of many.

Who's to blame?

Look it doesn't matter how many people choose to stay on the side of injustice and evil. Injustice is injustice and evil is evil. Oh yes many religious bigots around the world and the western world would always support Israel but it does not change the fact that evil ie evil. Having many supporters does not always make you right.

tonididdy:
The world can never ever be equal or fair as you wish.
The rich and the poor exists for a reason. If this world was one eldorado as you wish, then nobody will send heaven or 21 virgins.

Hamas should know they are no match for the IDF, what they did is a stupid unthought act, a short victory ( like they haven't being happy or had a win in years, they just had to do this) but now it's at the expense of poor Palestinians

Even if Hamas did not do this. It is still the same thing the goal of Israel from the beginning is to destroy Palestinians and take the whole land for themselves. The ethnic cleansing of the Palestine people began when Israel was created and it has progressed to this day. Many South Africans were massacred by the apartheid regime too. People will continue to resist oppression anywhere in the world regardless of the consequences it's in our nature.

You are saying at the expense of poor Palestinians as if Hamas are Nigerians. Are they not the same oppressed people Isreal is trying to write off from the face of the earth. Israel made Hamas. Israel's oppression + Killing and land grabbing = Hamas

Vl3ly:
I swear Ukraine military force strong pass this chicken force

I swear. Hamas just disgraced them and made the whole world know how powerless they are without US backing. The world won't forget this in a hurry. Even Iran is laughing hard now.

tonididdy:
Listen to me kiddo
I'm no religious fanatic.
All I know is Hamas behaved like animals and thus should be treated as one.
It's nobody fault it's not a fair war ammunitions wise ...well they should have tot of that and their people before they chose terrorism as a path.

Hamas fought the legitimate Palestine govt who were seeking a diplomacy path, Hamas never wants peace ...this is the kind of food they live for ...they will get it

Let me join your discussion with the other guy.

You wrote Hamas behaved like animals right? I think the Israelis are more animalistic cause one or more Palestinian must die at their hands everyday. It is an animal that keeps encroaching on your land illegally building settlement on them even after UN had cautioned Israel to stop.

Israel does not want peace either cause the goal is to destroy all Palestinians and grab the whole land. Cause if Israel wants peace it won't continue to grab Palestinian lands by building settlements on them. Ignoramuses are always quick to blame Hamas without seeing what is going on.

What is motivating Hamas or does Hamas just like causing trouble just for fun? If Israel halts its illegal expansion and stop killing Palestinians daily and desecrsting Al-Aqsa Mosque let's see if peace won't reign.