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thedarkside:
you are the ones that want biafra,not us..

we see no profit for us in creating biafra..

if you realy want biafra,you must drag the entire southern nigeria with you along..

if yoruba dont join,we no go join...

This is quite hilarious.

I am done.

laudate:
The man you cited was the first one to insult the Urhobos in the early pages of this thread. Kindly do a content analysis.

On page 2 of this thread, he had said:

He was the first person to refer to Urhobo & Itsekiri as bitter people. Why? Simply because they affirmed that they did not want to be part of Biafra. Shey, you are following? Then when math001 replied that they should remove Urhobo from the madness, guess what his response was?
It is right there on the 4th page of this thread. Check.

And that is the same person who later started forming innocent & whose friend is now asking others to prove who started insulting Urhobo on this thread. I laugh in Chinese.

That's true, the pazienza passed his message in a rather hot way but you could have just corrected him.

Its like the argument is an enjoyment to many.

math001:
Open mind my foot. Someone who called us Bitter and IGBOPHOBIC had an open mind abi?

Dat's the definition of open mind.


ALL THE PEOPLE WHEY THE THREAD GO CAUSE WAHALA FOR THEM HAVE THIS SINGLE IDIOT TO BLAME

Ikechu never stirred the hornets but pazienza did.

I studied the chat well.

Sorry about that.

thedarkside:
which open mind?,?
we said we dont want biafra in nigerian territory...
simple as that..

And we've not really come into agreement about that yet.

math001:
That same guy went further to state that Urhobos are IGBOPHOBIC and will be treated with HATE.

Abi u nor see that part too?

Sir, please check the beginning of his statement and you will see what he said.

He had an open mind with you guys.

Olabestonic001:
Had all NL Igbo's be like you, its gonna be a straight win for you guys. But, I'm afraid, the way most Igbo's here addresses the Biafra issue is very foolish and counterproductive. No one wants to be forced to buy any goods. No matter the best intentions of Igbo's, laughing people to scorn and mudslinging by some e-warriors here is more damaging than even the Fulani attacks! No one wants to seem as being blackmailed, intimidated and coerced even to the best relationship. I hope all these chest-beating online and NL Igbo's will stop that nonsense!
Even during the Eastern Region, was there no fear and agitation against Igbo's by some minority groups then. So, forcing your decisions on people is the height of domination and that's what your brethren are doing.
Caution them.

Sir, to be honest, you said the truth.

They take coercing them to join them too far.

laudate:
You think they told... who?? And your people did not bother to get any confirmation from them, before you started including their land in your map? Na so e be?? Abi na so dem dey do am?

You are not getting me.

When they screamed about Urhobos being among, its called boundary mapping so that external people will not woo them before the biafrans.

After that, they told some biafrans to create units to educate ppl about Biafra in those places.

No success

laudate:
Biko, let me laugh dis laugh very well! You decided to go biblical with the "teke teke mene upharsin." They will come back & tell you now that it is a curse.



Your brothers are busy insulting them left, right & centre simply because the Urhobos have said repeatedly they don't want to be a part of your Biafra. And you are still here dragging the matter with them. Na by force?? Chai! I weak o...

A man named pazienza and some few others said they don't want Urhobos to be part of it. I thought the conversation would have died naturally due to that but this is more than 50pages, we are still on it.

They were open to two options, join or not join.

Pazienza said it.

math001:
We never said Igbos saw us as enemies! Who did?

Igbos want to annexe us and when we say so, they use crowd logic and herd mentality on us. This thread is a case in point.

That's what we call boundary mapping.

I think they told some of their members to reach out you all in Delta state but they met little success.

math001:
Delta State creation has nothing to do with Igbo-Urhobo dynamics. We said we wanted Delta, Igbos wanted Anioma. Babangida tried to lump two interests into one. Simple!

Any bad blood from that has flown under the bridge long ago except for those, who like Igbos, bear grudges ad infinitum.

Our dislike for Igbos is entrenched in our folktales, folklore and culture. I wonder what Igbo must have done to us in the past to warrant that.

That is to say, in recent times, you have no reason to hate the igbos and igbos have no reason to hate Urhobos.

So, from all indication igbos who included you in Biafra doesn't see you as enemy but you refuse base on the fact that you don't just like them.

laudate:
Blame who? math001 was only responding to one hate-filled, bile-spewing bigot that happens to be one of your compatriots. I guess you did not see the evil vibes emanating from your kinsmen, that caused Math001 to respond in kind?

Trust me, I never said there was no exchange of words.

I am only saying that the guy started having urhobophobia based on what Urhobos on this thread said about igbos.

If you look at it very well and go to the first page, you will see that it was by someone who exclaimed that when did Urhobos entered the Biafra map and made other not-so-kind statement which was replied with not-so-kind replies.

math001:
We hate Igbos because Igbos hate us. Quid pro quo!

This hatred is Mysterious!
My God

math001:
Hian. So you all must take sides with one another? Na so Biafra wan be abi?
No lele sha. This thread is like literature. Where you are coming from matters alot!

Seriously, I am not taking sides.
He made mention of it and I just echoed it.
simple.
You can read up his former comments for clarification.
please do.

math001:
Well, hostilities have always been there. No one can say who started it. But saying Igbos did not and can not is just a case of you taking sides with your ethnic group, which I will also do anytime, anyday.

Urhobos are not known, either online or offline, to be war mongers. Everyone in Nigeria knows which group hungers for war the most. Go figure.

What were the controversies during the creation of delta state?

math001:
You see! Atleast you owned up the fact that mere IGBOMANIA made you IJAWPHOBIC.

Develpeast, Pazienza:

I give u my evidence!

; D

It was on this thread you changed the perception of the young man to be urhobophobic. He was thinking you guys have less hatred for the igbos , so reading more than 30pages made him think otherwise.

Do you blame him or blame yourself now?

Ngozi123:
That is the million dollar question. One that you and I needn't waste any more of our time trying to answer. Just look at this thread as a case study; do you really want to live in the same country with these people? I certainly don't and I certainly don't see what benefits they'll bring to the table that'll make me change my mind. The cons far outweigh the pros here.

What they are spewing here are just words exchange and nothing concrete.

They are just playing with bad words. No true cause of hatred.

They have a simple challenge you and I can solve.

Ikechu10:
Can someone tell me why this dude is trying to diplomatic with people that LITERALLY just said they want to genocide Igbo.
And they did so WITHOUT provacation.

You are exactly what's wrong with some Igbo. Why be diplomatic to set of people that wish your death? WTF is wrong with some of you lots?

There is always a reason to fight. You need to get where the hatred is coming from or its just a game of insults with no substance.

From all indication, they don't know why they hate igbos

math001:
The social media has been used for both good and bad by Igbos and my bet is on mostly bad.

My issue is simple. Most Igbos do not try to reach out, as you seem to be doing, and discuss like intellectuals. They'd rather exclaim afonja, abookii and the likes. They'll fight Ijaw, Itsekiri, Urhobo-Isoko, and even themselves. I am not saying this applies to all but the majority I've seen fall under this category. Even the supposed intellectuals descend to a buka banta when the chips are set.

That air of pride? is what other ethnic groups don't like. It has been there before the civil war. I can remember vividly that my grandmother sang a folksong that Urhobos should not marry Igbos. I don't know where she learnt the song from but that song is ingrained into my consciousness.

Hate doesn't develop from a vacuum!!

Goto Asaba and ask what they call Urhobos.. They call us "Ndizobo", that is a derogatory term to Urhobos and they know why yet they still call us by that term.

We all call ourselves names. I know igbos are known to reply knife for knife, gun for gun. Igbos do not look for trouble and if you look for trouble they will keep fighting you for a long time even after you have forgotten the fight. case in point, what is happening on naira land. The 2015 election made igbos who were the loudest be subject to insults but they replied everything words for words.

Jonathan was used before dullard was used.

wailers was used before zombies came into light.

So are the things igbos do, they reply banters.

Ndizobo, I don't really know the meaning but you did not say what you call them too.

The hatred started from somewhere, of which I need to get from you.

laudate:
Guy, have you listened to Radio Biafra? And have you read most of the vitriol that your brethren dish out online in response to what they have heard? Are you aware of the antagonistic posture of several of your kinsmen towards other ethnic groups, both offline and online to those who do not support their cause?

Bros, the war in Rwanda was instigated and fuelled by hate speech. So never underestimate the power of words. Other ethnic groups in Nigeria learnt a lot of lessons from the failed Biafra experiment of 1967 - 1970. They are not willing to repeat those mistakes again.

Yes, they say many things. They even say the same to their brothers, case in point Kenneth Okonkwo. Have you listened to the enlightened ones talk in any interview? Do you see him insulting Urhobos or Ijaws? These guys support anyone who support them and descend on anyone with contrary view.

Why is it like that?

If they allow contrary view to sip through the ranks, by now you will be seeing different forms of IPOB. They just want to pull it down by all means even though it has a damaging effect on neutral minded people.

No movement involves calm followers except they will see them as unserious.

They do not hate the southerners and they will never raise dust against you. You know they supported NDA when they started.

It all boils down to having a strong conviction of wanting to leave this country.

math001:
Most likely an innate distrust of one another. We have never liked each other and you know it. Since the dawn of time, Edoid groups have had aversions to Igboid groups. This has never degenerated into war and anything bad because both groups are not too hostile.

A group cannot just see another group of people and start hating on them just like that. Its very very unlikely except it was triggered.

I believe the Nigerian system made other tribes hate the igbos because since they seceded, they look at them as villains. It might not be clear in your mind or most people but when you see people do things in a rather contrasting way, we tend to look at them in a way which isn't pleasant.

Every tribe has that look towards the Igbos, not because they fought over anything but because the igbos have done something out of the normal and came back in the fold.

They played the tape to all that igbos are not straightforward, they are bad people. They raise every bad thing about us in the news and shut out good things about us.

Except now, we use the social media to correct most mistakes.

math001:
Most likely an innate distrust of one another. We have never liked each other and you know it. Since the dawn of time, Edoid groups have had aversions to Igboid groups. This has never degenerated into war and anything bad because both groups are not too hostile.

A group cannot just see another group of people and start hating on them just like that. Its very very unlikely except it was triggered.

I believe the Nigerian system made other tribes hate the igbos because since they seceded, they look at them as villains. It might not be clear in your mind or most people but when you see people do things in a rather contrasting way, we tend to look at them in a way which isn't pleasant.

Every tribe has that look towards the Igbos, not because they fought over anything but because the igbos have done something out of the normal and came back in the fold.

They played the tape to all that igbos are not straightforward, they are bad people. They raise every bad thing about us in the news and shut out good things about us.

Except now, we use the social media to correct most mistakes.

math001:
It's a long issue which I dont want to get into but the bottom line is that the person was supposed to help me but the moment he realised I was Urhobo, he gave the help to someone else.

Oh! I am sorry about that. He was only myopic or he might have been forced to do otherwise.

math001:
There is no fear at all.

The truth is that we most like judge people by what we see. What we see is that most Igbos dont like us, as we, them. Why force it to happen when God didn't will it so?

Igbos hate you? Why do they hate you?

What caused the hatred?

math001:
Yes I have.
Precisely in Awka!

What did the person say or do?

laudate:
Yes, a company does not need to advertise before someone brings in a new proposal. But if your new proposal will extract a great cost from my company, that is likely to render it bankrupt or is unlikely to be beneficial to my firm, then I am not compelled to accept it.

You may think I need a new partnership, but I know my firm much better than you do, and your offer may not even fit into my long term plans for my company, or it could even derail my projections by a wide margin. What you feel is a good deal in your own view, might be seen as bad from my own perspective.



So as a CEO, if the employees of the bidding company are describing my firm in uncomplimentary terms, would that make their offer attractive to me or would it kill any inclination I have to even examine the proposal? I am sure you know the answer. No one woos a new prospect using insults and hate speech. Such antagonistic words do not attract support from anyone on the receiving end.

If you have studied marketing or even how to get new clients on board, you would realise that most bidding companies go out of their way to woo, attract, invite and catch the attention of new firms, using all they can to allure them. They study their likes & dislikes and cater to it. Ask what American companies went through, in order to get business from the Japanese.

Now if a bidding company engages in hate speech in order to attract a client, I would conclude that ;

1). Their CEO is highly irresponsible to allow his staff to engage in such irrational behaviour towards a prospective client, as it would cost him potential business from such a client. There are rules of engagement for every situation.

2). The bidding company does NOT value my business, or has absolutely no respect for me as a potential client, neither does it value what they would get from carrying out transactions with my firm. That is why they have chosen to ridicule my company and bring it down. This would definitely act as a turn-off, and would make me totally lose interest in even considering any part of your proposal.

3). Finally, being loud and proud is not an excuse for being condescending, irrational, arrogant, belittling those around you and putting others down. And that is where we differ. My dignity & self-respect is worth far too much for me to trade it in, under the guise of establishing a new business partnership.



Even if my current partnership has met a gridlock, would that be enough reason to trade it in for a new partnership that is bound to be filled with rancour, hate, subjugation and disrespect? It would be like jumping from frying pan into fire.

Even if I am feeding close to 24 dependent states, what is your own? I can still keep working on my relationship with them, using tactics of mediation, negotiation and conciliation to improve the existing partnership. Afterall, the existing partnership has been chugging along for 50 years, and has not broken down irretrievably in my own view.

The benefits of forming a relationship with you and your two dependent states comes at an abnormally high cost that would erode my peace of mind & dignity, and end up leaving my firm in a far worse state, than the original one in which it used to be. Is it by force to form an alliance with people who disrespect me? NO!

No one is disrespecting you except the occasional banter of words online. Have you been to Onitsha or any part of the east and you see igbos acting unfriendly?

I believe the cost of joining the Igbo's is less than what you are seeing and feeling now. You now have the ability to negotiate your future on the table.

You cannot say for certain that the Igbo's will marginalise but you fear it will be that way, only.

math001:
How can we trust Igbos and align with her when we have never-do-wells like 03xtr09r here who has DEVOTED his EXISTENCE to being IGBOMANIC?

God forbids that we follow Igbo. We'd rather be swallowed uo by Yoruba. Yorubas don't treat us half the way Igbos do, even online. We have seen the proof on this thread.

We take rejection differently and many people have different degree of patience.

Kindly look around you. Look at the average Igbo man close to your community, when last did he cause problems in your community? When did he act condescending?

Online, everyone acts the way he wants it. But in reality when real people come into agreement, you will not push emotional people to the agreement table.

If you want to join, bring your own terms of agreement while I bring mine. No one will force anyone against his/ her own will.

What Radio Biafra is saying now is a prelude of the agreement all and sundry will bring to the table.

You don't get to be emotional based on online rants. No country without factions. When u even look at it, a coalition of southerners are more than the easterners.

So why be scared?

Olabestonic001:
Do you have an accepted draft of all these your talks or just imagination?
If Ojukwu had had these agreements with the oil producing community during the Civil War they would have die for Biafra. Looking at what various individuals are always reeling as a purported 'Constitutional Drafts' here, I daresay that knowing how most Igbo's can be, they are all lies and a wooing strategy. And interestingly, most ethnic nationalities of SS doesn't in any way trust Igbo's. And why should they? Aren't most of them excited that Buhari is abandoning the Yoruba's for them?
The Biafra agitators are only smart by half. Most people knows Biafra is a blackmail tool.

There was a regional house then in the old eastern region where it was decided that the eastern region secede due to the fact that Aburi accord agreement wasn't kept. If there was no consultation then the leaders of the oil clan made a mistake by not telling them what they stood to lose in the Biafra of then.

Coming down to the Urhobos, isoko and others in the delta zone. They were not part of the Biafra of '67, so they are meant to be wooed into accepting the new country.

Why do you not trust igbos?

Igbos have remained the most straight forward tribe in politics except business which involves smartness. There has never been a time igbos have done anything wrong to these people. There have never been a time they raise issues in the senate concerning their welfare, igbos don't support them.

So, why the distrust? Why do they feel we are going to colonise them? Have we in history subdued anyone? No, then those saying we will marginalise them are only been scared of nothing.

laudate:
Bros, this thread is full of entertainment. I haven't laughed like this in years. I am not Urhobo, but let me thank these chaps for their wise cracks. Now back to your question: Let us assume I am the owner of the Urhobo company -

Did my company advertise to anyone that they wanted a new contract?

Has my company explored all alternative means of resolving the difficulties I have with my current partners, on the existing contract?

Should the group offering the new contract try to shove it down my throat using hate speech, vile language, bullying tactics, scorn and venomous rhetoric in their bid to prove that what they are offering is more superior? In fact, it is a pointer to the fact that if I make the mistake of entering into any agreement with the new company on the basis of their new proposal, na everyday we go dey fight! Morning shows the day.

By accepting their offer, the cost of their services would be too high, as one would have to trade his dignity, self-respect, peace of mind, identity, perspectives, objectives and ability to dissent with the promoters of the new proposal. Nothing is worth more than a man's dignity or self-respect.

So my answer to those offering the new proposal would be: "No, thank you." I would look for an alternative that would not exact such a huge toll on my firm.

Let me say: This is the best way you understand business.

It is not a must that a company advertises before there will be a bid. Just a look at the situation of the company by external investors will help to seize the opportunity to bid.

I think your company needs new partnership from the way we all are looking at it.

Who are the ones spreading the hate speech? The employees of the bidding company and not the CEO. So, are you going to stop a good deal because some employees are bragging about partnering with you? I think no. You will weigh your options as a good leader.

Have we in any part of history hurt any group? You know the answer.
Are we loud and proud? Yes, we are and I am sorry, that's in the gene.

All the igbos in your locality, have they in any way caused trouble or tried do things against you all? You should answer that.

Have you explored every means possible in your present partnership to see your dreams come through? You have done everything legal and illegal to push your points but it has met a gridlock.

Have we supported you all the way through your struggle? Your answer is as good as mine.

I am bring two dependent states and you are presently feeding close 24 dependent states.

common man, what do you have to lose?

fratermathy:
To be honest, if the new company has a bad reputation, we'd stick with the devil we know.

What has the new company done in the past? Have they hurt anyone? Have they shortchanged anyone? Have they cheated on anyone?

If you check very well, a coalition of the south can match the east.

What do you have to lose?

fratermathy:
We have no issues with your legitimate cause and aspirations. Our problem is the issue of dragging Urhobo into it directly or indirectly. Urhobos know what they want. You don't have to make a case for us on what we have to gain or lose.

You have a company (Urhobos), you have a particular group people maintaining it for you for the past 50years but you are not fulfilled.

A new company comes (though aggressively) and said we want to maintain your company for you just be part of us. We even have incentives for you that your former partners ain't giving you.

You, a CEO of the company who have gone through your former proposal and the new one you have on the table. Knowing fully well that though they are aggressive, they have a forward thinking mind that will help your company.

Which will you choose? stick to the former contract or the new one?

The saying that "old people are too old to rule and young people are too young to rule" is true in the case of Nigeria.

Imagine a normal conversation which supposed to be a platform to give reasons why you don't want to be part of a movement and a platform where you are supposed to convince the next person that your movement is the next best thing.

Igbos will not and should not blame them because the last biafran country we had, the Urhobos and some southern groups were not part of it. So, its something new to them.

The southerners who have felt used, maltreated and their resources taken from them should not in any way fight against a thing that will elevate from "minority" to a better position.

For example, A man shouts in the midst of thousands of people talking might not be heard but a man shouting in the midst of tens of people will surely be listened to.

In the case of oil, even if the igbos are hellbent on siphoning your oil, how many of them are coming? 5 states. Now looking at these five states, 3 in 5 of them have oil in good quantities. So, the liability will now be 2. But the southerners have forgotten that they also have one liability too, which is cross-river without oil. No one is echoing that.

Will a southerner compare a region bringing two dependants with large human resources and coal to a region with 24 dependants with nothing but a history of oppression on your people and leaders?

What do you have to lose, Urhobos.

Let's say again, igbos needs access to the sea. Very true to say the least. But are we going to bundle items into the country without paying tax and import duties to your own state government? Who makes the money? Urhobos or southerners.

Have you southerners forgotten that states at the coast tend to enjoy more from imports and exports because companies will want to situate their facilities there based aesthetics and ease of transport. Case study being Lagos. You have a good reason and opportunity to own your coastline and make it functional.

Southerners, what do you have to lose.

Let's say igbos are the parasites, I think we are honeybees. We give you something in return.

What do you stand to lose, since you think those things are the reason why you don't want Biafra.

Ngozi123:
Sorry but I just need to clarify, are you Igbo?

Yes.